| lordievader | Good morning. | 10:01 |
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| clivejo | would anyone have time to help me with libkipi? | 10:42 |
| clivejo | Ive added ECM to the build deps but it still wont build and is throwing error messages suggesting ECM isnt installed | 10:43 |
| soee | clivejo: Plasma 5.5.3 and Grameworks 5.18 for Wily are ready ? | 11:26 |
| clivejo | soee: according to topic, still WIP | 11:38 |
| soee | i was looking at status pages, and there are only some orange items | 11:38 |
| clivejo | Im not sure if yofel is ready to give the green light yet | 11:39 |
| clivejo | anything in landing yet? | 11:40 |
| clivejo | soee: have you a wily test machine? | 11:41 |
| soee | clivejo: nope im on Xenial | 11:42 |
| soee | lordievader: you have Wily right ? | 11:42 |
| clivejo | soee: me too, pretty stable | 11:42 |
| clivejo | well the new kwallet respin seems to be in staging - kwallet-kf5 - 5.18.0a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 | 11:43 |
| soee | yes | 11:44 |
| clivejo | if you knew what you are doing and added staging frameworks and plasma, you could test it :) | 11:44 |
| soee | i have it installed since day or more | 11:45 |
| soee | *the new kwallet | 11:45 |
| clivejo | last I heard yofel was shopping, so he could be days at that :P | 11:45 |
| soee | im using new Plasma and Frameworks since week or more :) | 11:45 |
| clivejo | soee: I mean on wily | 11:46 |
| soee | ah | 11:46 |
| clivejo | The was issues getting the new QT in wily | 11:46 |
| clivejo | there | 11:46 |
| clivejo | I dont know where yofel is up to on that | 11:46 |
| soee | i see | 11:46 |
| clivejo | last I heard he was copying it from the LP archive, but there was builds he didnt want | 11:47 |
| soee | we can't expect him to work 24/7 :D | 11:47 |
| clivejo | so that could have meant rebuilding for just 386/amd64 | 11:47 |
| clivejo | why not? hes a machine, he doesnt need sleep like us mere mortals :P | 11:47 |
| soee | :D | 11:48 |
| clivejo | he can dedicate a few CPU cycles to us ;) | 11:48 |
| soee | iv installed Libre Office on windows 10, and the interface is so ugly i must say :/ | 11:50 |
| clivejo | soee: have you a throw away xenial install? | 11:50 |
| soee | clivejo: why ? | 11:51 |
| clivejo | just wondering if you have been brave enough to try apps | 11:51 |
| lordievader | soee: I'm in the middle of installing it, ain't operational yet. | 11:51 |
| soee | clivejo: there are to many problems with apps atm i think | 11:52 |
| lordievader | clivejo: What do you need tested on Wily? | 11:52 |
| lordievader | And is backports needed? | 11:52 |
| clivejo | lordievader: I dont know, we needed QT5 for wily and yofel was working on it | 11:53 |
| clivejo | no idea where hes up to on that | 11:53 |
| lordievader | Oh, I thought you needed some testers ;) | 11:54 |
| clivejo | <yofel> copying the qt5.5 stuff also copied all the other architecures that we don't need | 11:59 |
| clivejo | <yofel> I kind of don't want to bloat the PPA, but OTOH I don't want to manually QA all qt5 builds if I don't copy the binaries :/ | 11:59 |
| * clivejo doesnt have a throw away wily install to test on | 12:01 | |
| * clivejo goes for family time | 12:02 | |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:28 |
| BluesKaj | is the krunner history option ever going to be restored? The autocomplete doesn't really cut it. | 12:50 |
| lordievader | BluesKaj: The Krunner history works fine for me in version 5.5.0. | 12:53 |
| lordievader | (must note I am not running Kubuntu) | 12:53 |
| BluesKaj | well, I'm oin 16.04 plasma 5.5 and there's no history dropdown | 12:57 |
| mparillo | BluesKaj: I can confirm no history dropdown for me either on 16.04 Plasma 5.5.3 | 13:04 |
| mparillo | I will log off to check on Manjaro to see if that is a temporary packing thing, or a loss of functionality (I thought only th gnome team did that until I lost my date formatting: )https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 | 13:06 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 340982 in kcm_formats "I cannot set my short date to YYYY-MM-DD, nor my time to HH:MM" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 13:06 |
| BluesKaj | mparillo: I think the history was deleberately eliminated in plsama 5, and i doubt we'll see it back unless enough users raise a fuss | 13:09 |
| mparillo | It is missing also on Manjaro with Plasma 5.5.2; so I agree with you. This is not a temporary packaging issue. | 13:10 |
| BluesKaj | I prefer a proper gui text editor like kate for editing files vs the terminal | 13:12 |
| mparillo | Yes, but at least twice I forgot the kdesudo and got myself into permissions problems with kate. | 13:13 |
| BluesKaj | maybe I should keep a list of my most used file paths, and copy and paste them into krunner | 13:14 |
| soee | BluesKaj: no autocomplete at all ? | 13:14 |
| BluesKaj | autocomplete is no substitute IMO | 13:15 |
| BluesKaj | it works but... | 13:15 |
| mparillo | Auto-complete actually does work for me. So well that I never noticed we lost the drop-down until BluesKaj told us. | 13:17 |
| sgclark | hmm I have history | 13:17 |
| soee | those of you whoa re on Plasma 5.3.3 and Frameworks 5.18, please confirm if you can: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357699 | 13:21 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 357699 in General "Disk Quota widget does nothing and is missing icon etc." [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 13:21 |
| soee | *5.5.3 | 13:21 |
| BluesKaj | sgclark: which desktop ? | 13:22 |
| lordievader | soee: Is quota installed (it complains about that here (Gentoo)). | 13:23 |
| sgclark | BluesKaj: not clear what your asking. | 13:32 |
| BluesKaj | plasma%? | 13:33 |
| BluesKaj | plasma 5? | 13:33 |
| sgclark | whatever is in staging, 5,3? | 13:33 |
| BluesKaj | interesting , do you have a dropdown? | 13:34 |
| sgclark | yes | 13:34 |
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| sgclark | oh, seems I have an old frameworks, wonder if that is the difference | 13:37 |
| sgclark | will upgrade and see if it changes | 13:37 |
| vishalrao | Backtrace crash reported (looks like in MuonApplicationNotifier.so) whenever I run "sudo apt-get update/upgrade" in Konsole -> known issue? | 13:40 |
| sgclark | yofel: ^ | 13:43 |
| sgclark | dunno if that has anything to do with discover, seems like it shouldn't | 13:43 |
| vishalrao | Should I submit the bug report via the crash handler that popped up? When I clicked "install debug symbols" it said "symbols not available for MuonXXXNotifier" but installed symbols for qt5base and plasma-desktop i think | 13:45 |
| sgclark | hmm | 13:45 |
| sgclark | vishalrao: yeah go ahead and file report, there is alot of changes around muon going on | 13:46 |
| vishalrao | One of the lines in the backtrace is like this -> #8 0x00007fa63428e4a9 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/discover-notifier/MuonApplicationNotifier.so | 13:46 |
| sgclark | mst are not here today (Sunday) | 13:46 |
| vishalrao | oh yeah :) | 13:46 |
| mparillo | vishalrao: and share the bug number, because I think I can replicate it. | 13:47 |
| sgclark | oh, that is yofel then, file a bug as looks like he is enjoying the day off :) | 13:47 |
| vishalrao | The crash handler is submitting to KDE not Kubuntu, is that OK? I have to sign up now :) | 13:48 |
| vishalrao | Give me a few minutes | 13:48 |
| sgclark | yeah they will kick it back to us if it packaging | 13:48 |
| vishalrao | mparillo: sgclark: See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357791 | 13:55 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 357791 in general "Backtrace from MuonApplicationNotifier.so" [Crash,Unconfirmed] | 13:55 |
| sgclark | vishalrao: thanks! | 13:57 |
| vishalrao | np | 13:58 |
| mparillo | vishalrao: Thank you. I "me tooed", but I lack the karma necessary to change the status to confirmed. | 14:09 |
| vishalrao | cool | 14:10 |
| yofel | vishalrao, sgclark, mparillo: I had already filed kde 357704 for this a couple days ago | 14:15 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 357704 in notifier "Muon notifier crashes on apt package list updates" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357704 | 14:15 |
| vishalrao | whoops :) | 14:15 |
| sgclark | yofel: did not know sorry. I can mark other as dup | 14:17 |
| vishalrao | marking as dup... | 14:17 |
| yofel | maybe the missing debug symbol for muon confused the auto-dup-checker, otherwise it should've shown that | 14:18 |
| yofel | manual dup checking in bugzilla is juat plain impossible | 14:18 |
| yofel | *just | 14:18 |
| vishalrao | i noticed your bug report the product marked as "muon" but the auto submit I did set the product to "plasma shell" (plasmash) | 14:19 |
| yofel | that's what mine was as well until d_ed_ changed it to muon | 14:20 |
| vishalrao | when i proceeded to submit a second time, it found my own previous bug report (i was just checking if would identify my own submission as a dup) :) | 14:20 |
| yofel | then the different product was probably what broke the dup check, meh | 14:21 |
| vishalrao | hmmm :) | 14:21 |
| BluesKaj | vishalrao: I got around the muon bug by installing libmuon then muon itself..muondiscover will be removed if you do this | 14:21 |
| vishalrao | ok let me try this BluesKaj | 14:21 |
| vishalrao | do you want to post this info as a comment in the bug? | 14:21 |
| vishalrao | the earlier bug filed by yofel i mean | 14:21 |
| yofel | might be worth noting that it's a regression in discover | 14:22 |
| BluesKaj | actually I found this out by mistake when i tried to install muon alone, so i think it's just a workaround | 14:23 |
| yofel | clivejo, sgclark: regarding plasma for wily: I first wanted to figure out how to make kwallet-pam work correctly before calling for testing for both releases | 14:23 |
| yofel | and wily should get an sddm backport once the packages are in backports-landing | 14:24 |
| yofel | but no response from maxy so far, so I'm pondering completely reverting the whole debian merge... | 14:24 |
| vishalrao | BluesKaj: it appears "muon-discover" is being renamed to "plasma-discover" - i dont know if other muon-* will be similarly renamed | 14:25 |
| yofel | everything except "muon" will | 14:25 |
| BluesKaj | vishalrao: ok thanks | 14:25 |
| vishalrao | ok i see | 14:26 |
| sgclark | yofel debian merge for wallet? | 14:26 |
| sgclark | or everything?! | 14:26 |
| yofel | sgclark: for kwallet-pam | 14:26 |
| sgclark | oh yeah, that was a mess. fine by me | 14:27 |
| BluesKaj | not impressed with discover gui features, not enough detail on packages for reference | 14:27 |
| sgclark | ok I have to run errands, bbl | 14:30 |
| snele | who to ping about ubiquity bug? installer on daily is broken (it crashes after "prepare" step) | 14:31 |
| snele | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1529450 | 14:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1529450 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "AttributeError: 'PageKde' object has no attribute 'get_secureboot_key'" [Critical,Triaged] | 14:31 |
| mparillo | snele: He does not reference a number, but yesterday here (http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/09/#kubuntu-devel.html#t22:19) DarinMiller wroteThe ubi-prepare.py a bug has been reported and triaged, but it has not landed in the daily downloads. Someone posted here the other day that they could not install via the daily dowload. | 14:43 |
| mparillo | If it is the same bug he last comment made it sound like it was not yet 100% sorted. | 14:43 |
| * yofel uploads sddm with kwallet4 autostart re-enabled - debian doesn't use that so it got dropped in the merge | 14:55 | |
| yofel | For those interested: http://www.dvratil.cz/2016/01/kde-pim-still-alive-and-rocking/ | 15:00 |
| clivejo | !info libkf5prison-dev | 16:05 |
| ubottu | libkf5prison-dev (source: prison-kf5): barcode API for Qt - development files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2~git20150223-0ubuntu2 (wily), package size 8 kB, installed size 95 kB | 16:05 |
| clivejo | Could not find a configuration file for package "KF5Prison" that is compatible with requested version "1.2.1". | 16:06 |
| clivejo | yofel: ping | 17:13 |
| clivejo | ovidiu-florin: ping | 17:50 |
| * clivejo wanders off | 17:58 | |
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| mparillo | I just got an upgrade for SDDM, and I wonder if that fixed the kwallet issue I had where it kept trying to ask for a migration every login. | 20:54 |
| mparillo | Installed: 0.13.0-1ubuntu4 | 20:55 |
| yofel | mparillo: that re-enables kwallet-*4* auto-start | 21:13 |
| yofel | no idea regarding migration I fear. I don't get that here | 21:14 |
| clivejo | yofel!! | 21:16 |
| clivejo | I thought we'd lost you | 21:16 |
| * yofel doesn't remember having sold his soul to kubuntu | 21:18 | |
| yofel | 0€ is too little pay for that | 21:18 |
| clivejo | lost you to shopping | 21:18 |
| clivejo | what did you buy me :) | 21:18 |
| yofel | uh.. I've been here several times since then | 21:19 |
| * yofel hands clivejo some snack nuts | 21:19 | |
| yofel | don't really have anything else at hand right now ^^ | 21:19 |
| clivejo | I got a bottle of Jack Daneils last night | 21:19 |
| yofel | Irish people dring american whiskey o.O? | 21:20 |
| yofel | *drink | 21:20 |
| clivejo | sure | 21:20 |
| clivejo | was a thankyou gift | 21:20 |
| clivejo | and much appreciated :) | 21:20 |
| yofel | well, as long as everyone's happy.. | 21:20 |
| yofel | clivejo: any particular question? Because I'll sign off again otherwise | 21:21 |
| clivejo | kdepimlibs is looking for prison 1.2.1 | 21:22 |
| clivejo | archive seems to be 1.2 | 21:22 |
| clivejo | so I grabbed a git snapshot and packaged it | 21:22 |
| yofel | there's no release for it? :/ | 21:23 |
| clivejo | no, which is odd | 21:23 |
| clivejo | but lib/cmake file definately says its version 1.2.1 | 21:24 |
| yofel | true, nothing on depot.. | 21:24 |
| clivejo | so its in my PPA https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/ | 21:24 |
| yofel | we should remind people to please depend on *release* software :( | 21:24 |
| clivejo | I also commited a change to kubuntu_unstable | 21:24 |
| yofel | *released | 21:24 |
| clivejo | can I copy that package to the staging-apps? | 21:25 |
| yofel | go ahead, I'll look at it tomorrow | 21:25 |
| clivejo | I thought KCI would rebuild it, but it doesnt seem to be working today | 21:26 |
| clivejo | thats why I put it in my PPA | 21:27 |
| clivejo | ok copied the package from my PPA to apps staging | 21:28 |
| yofel | you might also want to reply to the apps release thread asking where you can download prison 1.2.1 | 21:28 |
| yofel | maybe it moved somewhere we don't know - even if I doubt that | 21:28 |
| clivejo | I just grabbed a git snapshot | 21:28 |
| yofel | and if not, the release team at least know that something's wrong | 21:28 |
| yofel | yeah, that's fine for now to get the apps building | 21:29 |
| clivejo | the changelog seems to show mostly git snapshots | 21:29 |
| yofel | but depending on unreleased sofware is a no-go really | 21:29 |
| yofel | yes, which is the I-don't-care workaround | 21:29 |
| yofel | as I said, fine for now, so just upload it to the ppa | 21:29 |
| * yofel off, see you tomorrow | 21:30 | |
| clivejo | ok, have fun | 21:30 |
| mparillo | yofel: Thank You. All I know I tire of re-typing my password, and the latest SDDM seems to have reduced that by one. | 22:55 |
| valorie | cool | 23:22 |
| clivejo | o/ valorie | 23:26 |
| valorie | greetings clivejo | 23:26 |
| clivejo | hows you? | 23:27 |
| valorie | pretty dang good | 23:27 |
| valorie | thinking of trying to set up for packaging | 23:27 |
| valorie | so I can check out our docs for accuracy and missing bits | 23:27 |
| clivejo | might as well try :) | 23:27 |
| valorie | and sure, it sounds like some apps still need attention | 23:28 |
| clivejo | you might find you like it! | 23:28 |
| valorie | I doubt it's my strength, but I may as well understand the workflow | 23:28 |
| valorie | imo we should continue to make packaging and testing as automatic as possible | 23:29 |
| valorie | so that we can focus on outreach, promotion, and upstream as much as possible | 23:29 |
| valorie | and by upsteam I mean all the players including Ubuntu proper | 23:29 |
| clivejo | we have too make upstreams | 23:31 |
| clivejo | gets very confusing | 23:31 |
| mparillo | I thought Santa had some good ideas and desire to work on packaging automation, but I have not seen him lately. | 23:32 |
| clivejo | mparillo: yeah, he just disappeared | 23:32 |
| valorie | yes, he keeps popping up and disappearing | 23:32 |
| valorie | like a ghost | 23:32 |
| valorie | that's the thing about distros though | 23:33 |
| valorie | oodles of upstreams | 23:33 |
| valorie | not all of them think highly of us | 23:33 |
| clivejo | oh? | 23:33 |
| valorie | owncloud is the one I'm thinking of | 23:34 |
| valorie | "distros are broken by design" - ugh | 23:34 |
| valorie | imo it is crazy that we have so many different packaging processes happening across Linux | 23:35 |
| valorie | but, given history and the entrenched nature of "what people like" I'm not sure how to converge that | 23:36 |
| valorie | Debian for instance takes great care about security | 23:36 |
| valorie | owncloud doesn't seem to give a fig about that | 23:36 |
| valorie | read Jos' blog on kde planet for reference | 23:41 |
| clivejo | url? | 23:41 |
| valorie | I was unable to comment because G+ broke commenting again | 23:41 |
| valorie | https://planetkde.org/ | 23:42 |
| valorie | a few days ago now | 23:42 |
| clivejo | but thats more distro fault, no? | 23:47 |
| clivejo | being slow getting new software into the repo's | 23:47 |
| valorie | well, individual projects have only their own interests to look out for | 23:48 |
| valorie | libreoffice only cares about libreoffice, owncloud for itself, etc. | 23:48 |
| valorie | KDE tries to make all the software work together | 23:48 |
| valorie | owncloud didn't want that, and left KDE | 23:48 |
| valorie | and here we are | 23:49 |
| valorie | we can't just auto-package everything and ship it, without testing the *distro* | 23:49 |
| clivejo | but its packagers that need to keep the repo's current | 23:49 |
| clivejo | and a decent feedback loop | 23:49 |
| valorie | sure, but current can break some things | 23:49 |
| valorie | keeping everything working is our job, not just packaging | 23:49 |
| valorie | that's the difficult part | 23:50 |
| valorie | adjusting recommended library versions and such | 23:50 |
| valorie | there are so many parts that individual projects don't have to care about | 23:50 |
| valorie | everything from kernel versions, gcc, systemv/d, lightdm/sddm/kdm/gdm, frameworks/kdelibs, and on and on | 23:52 |
| valorie | none of us are microsoft or apple laying down the law, and saying this will be done | 23:52 |
| valorie | or not | 23:52 |
| valorie | instead we have to juggle | 23:53 |
| clivejo | -> moves to offtopic | 23:54 |
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