[10:01] Good morning. [10:42] would anyone have time to help me with libkipi? [10:43] Ive added ECM to the build deps but it still wont build and is throwing error messages suggesting ECM isnt installed [11:26] clivejo: Plasma 5.5.3 and Grameworks 5.18 for Wily are ready ? [11:38] soee: according to topic, still WIP [11:38] i was looking at status pages, and there are only some orange items [11:39] Im not sure if yofel is ready to give the green light yet [11:40] anything in landing yet? [11:41] soee: have you a wily test machine? [11:42] clivejo: nope im on Xenial [11:42] lordievader: you have Wily right ? [11:42] soee: me too, pretty stable [11:43] well the new kwallet respin seems to be in staging - kwallet-kf5 - 5.18.0a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 [11:44] yes [11:44] if you knew what you are doing and added staging frameworks and plasma, you could test it :) [11:45] i have it installed since day or more [11:45] *the new kwallet [11:45] last I heard yofel was shopping, so he could be days at that :P [11:45] im using new Plasma and Frameworks since week or more :) [11:46] soee: I mean on wily [11:46] ah [11:46] The was issues getting the new QT in wily [11:46] there [11:46] I dont know where yofel is up to on that [11:46] i see [11:47] last I heard he was copying it from the LP archive, but there was builds he didnt want [11:47] we can't expect him to work 24/7 :D [11:47] so that could have meant rebuilding for just 386/amd64 [11:47] why not? hes a machine, he doesnt need sleep like us mere mortals :P [11:48] :D [11:48] he can dedicate a few CPU cycles to us ;) [11:50] iv installed Libre Office on windows 10, and the interface is so ugly i must say :/ [11:50] soee: have you a throw away xenial install? [11:51] clivejo: why ? [11:51] just wondering if you have been brave enough to try apps [11:51] soee: I'm in the middle of installing it, ain't operational yet. [11:52] clivejo: there are to many problems with apps atm i think [11:52] clivejo: What do you need tested on Wily? [11:52] And is backports needed? [11:53] lordievader: I dont know, we needed QT5 for wily and yofel was working on it [11:53] no idea where hes up to on that [11:54] Oh, I thought you needed some testers ;) [11:59] copying the qt5.5 stuff also copied all the other architecures that we don't need [11:59] I kind of don't want to bloat the PPA, but OTOH I don't want to manually QA all qt5 builds if I don't copy the binaries :/ [12:01] * clivejo doesnt have a throw away wily install to test on [12:02] * clivejo goes for family time [12:28] Hiyas all [12:50] is the krunner history option ever going to be restored? The autocomplete doesn't really cut it. [12:53] BluesKaj: The Krunner history works fine for me in version 5.5.0. [12:53] (must note I am not running Kubuntu) [12:57] well, I'm oin 16.04 plasma 5.5 and there's no history dropdown [13:04] BluesKaj: I can confirm no history dropdown for me either on 16.04 Plasma 5.5.3 [13:06] I will log off to check on Manjaro to see if that is a temporary packing thing, or a loss of functionality (I thought only th gnome team did that until I lost my date formatting: )https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340982 [13:06] KDE bug 340982 in kcm_formats "I cannot set my short date to YYYY-MM-DD, nor my time to HH:MM" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [13:09] mparillo: I think the history was deleberately eliminated in plsama 5, and i doubt we'll see it back unless enough users raise a fuss [13:10] It is missing also on Manjaro with Plasma 5.5.2; so I agree with you. This is not a temporary packaging issue. [13:12] I prefer a proper gui text editor like kate for editing files vs the terminal [13:13] Yes, but at least twice I forgot the kdesudo and got myself into permissions problems with kate. [13:14] maybe I should keep a list of my most used file paths, and copy and paste them into krunner [13:14] BluesKaj: no autocomplete at all ? [13:15] autocomplete is no substitute IMO [13:15] it works but... [13:17] Auto-complete actually does work for me. So well that I never noticed we lost the drop-down until BluesKaj told us. [13:17] hmm I have history [13:21] those of you whoa re on Plasma 5.3.3 and Frameworks 5.18, please confirm if you can: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357699 [13:21] KDE bug 357699 in General "Disk Quota widget does nothing and is missing icon etc." [Normal,Unconfirmed] [13:21] *5.5.3 [13:22] sgclark: which desktop ? [13:23] soee: Is quota installed (it complains about that here (Gentoo)). [13:32] BluesKaj: not clear what your asking. [13:33] plasma%? [13:33] plasma 5? [13:33] whatever is in staging, 5,3? [13:34] interesting , do you have a dropdown? [13:34] yes === tazz_ is now known as tazz [13:37] oh, seems I have an old frameworks, wonder if that is the difference [13:37] will upgrade and see if it changes [13:40] Backtrace crash reported (looks like in MuonApplicationNotifier.so) whenever I run "sudo apt-get update/upgrade" in Konsole -> known issue? [13:43] yofel: ^ [13:43] dunno if that has anything to do with discover, seems like it shouldn't [13:45] Should I submit the bug report via the crash handler that popped up? When I clicked "install debug symbols" it said "symbols not available for MuonXXXNotifier" but installed symbols for qt5base and plasma-desktop i think [13:45] hmm [13:46] vishalrao: yeah go ahead and file report, there is alot of changes around muon going on [13:46] One of the lines in the backtrace is like this -> #8 0x00007fa63428e4a9 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/discover-notifier/MuonApplicationNotifier.so [13:46] mst are not here today (Sunday) [13:46] oh yeah :) [13:47] vishalrao: and share the bug number, because I think I can replicate it. [13:47] oh, that is yofel then, file a bug as looks like he is enjoying the day off :) [13:48] The crash handler is submitting to KDE not Kubuntu, is that OK? I have to sign up now :) [13:48] Give me a few minutes [13:48] yeah they will kick it back to us if it packaging [13:55] mparillo: sgclark: See https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357791 [13:55] KDE bug 357791 in general "Backtrace from MuonApplicationNotifier.so" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [13:57] vishalrao: thanks! [13:58] np [14:09] vishalrao: Thank you. I "me tooed", but I lack the karma necessary to change the status to confirmed. [14:10] cool [14:15] vishalrao, sgclark, mparillo: I had already filed kde 357704 for this a couple days ago [14:15] KDE bug 357704 in notifier "Muon notifier crashes on apt package list updates" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357704 [14:15] whoops :) [14:17] yofel: did not know sorry. I can mark other as dup [14:17] marking as dup... [14:18] maybe the missing debug symbol for muon confused the auto-dup-checker, otherwise it should've shown that [14:18] manual dup checking in bugzilla is juat plain impossible [14:18] *just [14:19] i noticed your bug report the product marked as "muon" but the auto submit I did set the product to "plasma shell" (plasmash) [14:20] that's what mine was as well until d_ed_ changed it to muon [14:20] when i proceeded to submit a second time, it found my own previous bug report (i was just checking if would identify my own submission as a dup) :) [14:21] then the different product was probably what broke the dup check, meh [14:21] hmmm :) [14:21] vishalrao: I got around the muon bug by installing libmuon then muon itself..muondiscover will be removed if you do this [14:21] ok let me try this BluesKaj [14:21] do you want to post this info as a comment in the bug? [14:21] the earlier bug filed by yofel i mean [14:22] might be worth noting that it's a regression in discover [14:23] actually I found this out by mistake when i tried to install muon alone, so i think it's just a workaround [14:23] clivejo, sgclark: regarding plasma for wily: I first wanted to figure out how to make kwallet-pam work correctly before calling for testing for both releases [14:24] and wily should get an sddm backport once the packages are in backports-landing [14:24] but no response from maxy so far, so I'm pondering completely reverting the whole debian merge... [14:25] BluesKaj: it appears "muon-discover" is being renamed to "plasma-discover" - i dont know if other muon-* will be similarly renamed [14:25] everything except "muon" will [14:25] vishalrao: ok thanks [14:26] ok i see [14:26] yofel debian merge for wallet? [14:26] or everything?! [14:26] sgclark: for kwallet-pam [14:27] oh yeah, that was a mess. fine by me [14:27] not impressed with discover gui features, not enough detail on packages for reference [14:30] ok I have to run errands, bbl [14:31] who to ping about ubiquity bug? installer on daily is broken (it crashes after "prepare" step) [14:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1529450 [14:31] Launchpad bug 1529450 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "AttributeError: 'PageKde' object has no attribute 'get_secureboot_key'" [Critical,Triaged] [14:43] snele: He does not reference a number, but yesterday here (http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/09/#kubuntu-devel.html#t22:19) DarinMiller wroteThe ubi-prepare.py a bug has been reported and triaged, but it has not landed in the daily downloads. Someone posted here the other day that they could not install via the daily dowload. [14:43] If it is the same bug he last comment made it sound like it was not yet 100% sorted. [14:55] * yofel uploads sddm with kwallet4 autostart re-enabled - debian doesn't use that so it got dropped in the merge [15:00] For those interested: http://www.dvratil.cz/2016/01/kde-pim-still-alive-and-rocking/ [16:05] !info libkf5prison-dev [16:05] libkf5prison-dev (source: prison-kf5): barcode API for Qt - development files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2~git20150223-0ubuntu2 (wily), package size 8 kB, installed size 95 kB [16:06] Could not find a configuration file for package "KF5Prison" that is compatible with requested version "1.2.1". [17:13] yofel: ping [17:50] ovidiu-florin: ping [17:58] * clivejo wanders off === tazz_ is now known as tazz [20:54] I just got an upgrade for SDDM, and I wonder if that fixed the kwallet issue I had where it kept trying to ask for a migration every login. [20:55] Installed: 0.13.0-1ubuntu4 [21:13] mparillo: that re-enables kwallet-*4* auto-start [21:14] no idea regarding migration I fear. I don't get that here [21:16] yofel!! [21:16] I thought we'd lost you [21:18] * yofel doesn't remember having sold his soul to kubuntu [21:18] 0€ is too little pay for that [21:18] lost you to shopping [21:18] what did you buy me :) [21:19] uh.. I've been here several times since then [21:19] * yofel hands clivejo some snack nuts [21:19] don't really have anything else at hand right now ^^ [21:19] I got a bottle of Jack Daneils last night [21:20] Irish people dring american whiskey o.O? [21:20] *drink [21:20] sure [21:20] was a thankyou gift [21:20] and much appreciated :) [21:20] well, as long as everyone's happy.. [21:21] clivejo: any particular question? Because I'll sign off again otherwise [21:22] kdepimlibs is looking for prison 1.2.1 [21:22] archive seems to be 1.2 [21:22] so I grabbed a git snapshot and packaged it [21:23] there's no release for it? :/ [21:23] no, which is odd [21:24] but lib/cmake file definately says its version 1.2.1 [21:24] true, nothing on depot.. [21:24] so its in my PPA https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/ [21:24] we should remind people to please depend on *release* software :( [21:24] I also commited a change to kubuntu_unstable [21:24] *released [21:25] can I copy that package to the staging-apps? [21:25] go ahead, I'll look at it tomorrow [21:26] I thought KCI would rebuild it, but it doesnt seem to be working today [21:27] thats why I put it in my PPA [21:28] ok copied the package from my PPA to apps staging [21:28] you might also want to reply to the apps release thread asking where you can download prison 1.2.1 [21:28] maybe it moved somewhere we don't know - even if I doubt that [21:28] I just grabbed a git snapshot [21:28] and if not, the release team at least know that something's wrong [21:29] yeah, that's fine for now to get the apps building [21:29] the changelog seems to show mostly git snapshots [21:29] but depending on unreleased sofware is a no-go really [21:29] yes, which is the I-don't-care workaround [21:29] as I said, fine for now, so just upload it to the ppa [21:30] * yofel off, see you tomorrow [21:30] ok, have fun [22:55] yofel: Thank You. All I know I tire of re-typing my password, and the latest SDDM seems to have reduced that by one. [23:22] cool [23:26] o/ valorie [23:26] greetings clivejo [23:27] hows you? [23:27] pretty dang good [23:27] thinking of trying to set up for packaging [23:27] so I can check out our docs for accuracy and missing bits [23:27] might as well try :) [23:28] and sure, it sounds like some apps still need attention [23:28] you might find you like it! [23:28] I doubt it's my strength, but I may as well understand the workflow [23:29] imo we should continue to make packaging and testing as automatic as possible [23:29] so that we can focus on outreach, promotion, and upstream as much as possible [23:29] and by upsteam I mean all the players including Ubuntu proper [23:31] we have too make upstreams [23:31] gets very confusing [23:32] I thought Santa had some good ideas and desire to work on packaging automation, but I have not seen him lately. [23:32] mparillo: yeah, he just disappeared [23:32] yes, he keeps popping up and disappearing [23:32] like a ghost [23:33] that's the thing about distros though [23:33] oodles of upstreams [23:33] not all of them think highly of us [23:33] oh? [23:34] owncloud is the one I'm thinking of [23:34] "distros are broken by design" - ugh [23:35] imo it is crazy that we have so many different packaging processes happening across Linux [23:36] but, given history and the entrenched nature of "what people like" I'm not sure how to converge that [23:36] Debian for instance takes great care about security [23:36] owncloud doesn't seem to give a fig about that [23:41] read Jos' blog on kde planet for reference [23:41] url? [23:41] I was unable to comment because G+ broke commenting again [23:42] https://planetkde.org/ [23:42] a few days ago now [23:47] but thats more distro fault, no? [23:47] being slow getting new software into the repo's [23:48] well, individual projects have only their own interests to look out for [23:48] libreoffice only cares about libreoffice, owncloud for itself, etc. [23:48] KDE tries to make all the software work together [23:48] owncloud didn't want that, and left KDE [23:49] and here we are [23:49] we can't just auto-package everything and ship it, without testing the *distro* [23:49] but its packagers that need to keep the repo's current [23:49] and a decent feedback loop [23:49] sure, but current can break some things [23:49] keeping everything working is our job, not just packaging [23:50] that's the difficult part [23:50] adjusting recommended library versions and such [23:50] there are so many parts that individual projects don't have to care about [23:52] everything from kernel versions, gcc, systemv/d, lightdm/sddm/kdm/gdm, frameworks/kdelibs, and on and on [23:52] none of us are microsoft or apple laying down the law, and saying this will be done [23:52] or not [23:53] instead we have to juggle [23:54] -> moves to offtopic