[04:49] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[10:44] <Symmetria> man, the rand is just going more and more to shit 
[10:45] <Symmetria> and its becoming a real pain in the ass to calculate my income based on all the currencies involved
[11:01] <Kilos> gonna keep dropping according to predictions Symmetria 
[11:01] <Kilos> one says 19 to the dollar by year end
[11:01] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[11:02] <Symmetria> heh kilos yeah, but I was just trying to calculate
[11:02] <Symmetria> if I was better off or worse off 
[11:02] <Symmetria> based on how it had moved
[11:03] <Symmetria> because I get paid in dollars into south african accounts which converts it to rands, then I spend it in kenya shillings where I live 
[11:03] <Symmetria> so my net gain comes from calculating dollars -> rand -> kes
[11:03] <Symmetria> because if the rand is dropping as fast against the shilling as it is against the dollar, I'm not actually gaining 
[11:03] <Symmetria> :P turns out its not though 
[11:04] <Kilos> ai!
[11:05] <Kilos> thats one advantage of not having money, nothing to lose
[11:11] <Symmetria> heh, this isnt about gaining or losing
[11:11] <Symmetria> its just about calculating if your salary is effectively going up or down
[11:11] <Symmetria> so when it comes to salary negotiations you can argue more effectively
[11:11] <Symmetria> ;p
[11:15] <Kilos> lol
[12:13] <gremble> Hey ki
[12:34] <Kilos> lol
[13:11] <Squirm> Morning
[13:11] <Kilos> hi Squirm you still alive lad?
[13:12] <Kilos> i see you got your timezones a bit mixed up
[13:12] <Kilos> you been near to inetpro and got infected?
[13:13] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[13:13] <inetpro> good evening
[13:13] <inetpro> and ohi OomKilos
[13:13] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:14] <Kilos> we have 13mm last night inetpro 
[13:15] <inetpro> 8.5mm on Friday plus 12mm last night, so I win
[13:15] <inetpro> again
[13:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:17] <Kilos> only enough to make the dubbeltjies happy
[13:21] <Squirm> IGT
[13:21] <Squirm> It's always morning :D
[13:21] <Kilos> lol
[13:21] <Squirm> International Greeting Time
[13:21] <Kilos> aha
[13:22] <Squirm> :P
[13:22] <Squirm> How are you?
[13:22] <Squirm> But yeah - I'm doing well
[13:22] <Kilos> im good ty
[14:20] <Symmetria> heh man
[14:20] <Symmetria> the US powerball jackpot
[14:20] <Symmetria> is up to 1.3 billion dollars
[14:20] <Symmetria> can you imagine winning that? I mean, honestly, I could probably blow through 1 or 2 hundred million but I'd have no clue what to do with the rest of it ;p
[14:21] <gremble> Invest it in SpaceX
[14:21] <Symmetria> like, hai, I want my own submarine cable system, now I got enough bandwidth to last me the rest of my life, then I want my own mini data centre with enough tech toys to keep me amused for ages, and a petabyte or 2 of disk space, add a few cars, then what ;p
[14:22] <Symmetria> haha I'd so build my own cable system to europe ;p
[14:22] <Symmetria> "how much bandwidth do you have?!" "Oh, a few terabit!"
[14:22] <Symmetria> ;p
[14:22] <gremble> Buy mweb and fire everyone and burn it to the ground
[14:23] <Symmetria> haha build a cable system, start selling bandwidth on it for $1 a meg
[14:23] <Symmetria> drive everyone else into bankcrupcy 
[14:23] <Symmetria> why? because you can ;p
[14:24] <gremble> convert it into Rands, drive into town and start handing out insane amounts of money to everyone
[14:24] <Symmetria> haha convert it to rands and drive into whatever suburb you like and buy out all the houses in your road and declare you now own the road and its closed to the public ;p
[14:25] <Symmetria> (and make it some busy road that will cause traffic chaos)
[14:25] <gremble> Haha Buy an entire block in Brooklyn, flatten it and make a farm in the middle of town
[14:25] <gremble> :P
[14:26] <Symmetria> :P put it this way, with that kinda money, you could put awake 100 or 200 million to make sure you have enough to live on very comfortably
[14:26] <Symmetria> and then have a hell of a lot of fun
[14:26] <Symmetria> :P
[14:27] <Symmetria> someone irritates you, buy their employer and close their company down 
[14:27] <Symmetria> cheers, screw you, you have no job ;p
[14:27] <Symmetria> man, some how I think me getting my hands on that kinda cash would be bad, haha I'd go make a lot of people very unhappy
[14:27] <gremble> Haha
[14:28] <gremble> So you are not thinking of using that cash to make more? :P
[14:28] <Symmetria> wtf would I want more for?
[14:28] <Symmetria> Im thinking if using it to get even for the last 36 years of my life :p
[14:28] <gremble> Haha most people can usually never have enough
[14:28] <Symmetria> hahaha
[14:28] <gremble> DO you know how much tax you would pay on that?
[14:28] <gremble> O.o
[14:29] <gremble> I would never work, and just spend my life getting new and interesting degrees
[14:29] <gremble> xD
[14:29] <Symmetria> gremble in my case, zero ;p
[14:29] <Symmetria> law in south africa says that if you're an expat and outta the country 180 days a year and 30 days of it is consecutive, anything you earn while outta the country is tax exempt
[14:29] <gremble> Symmetria: Why would you not pay tax on that? You'll probably have to pay tax to get it out of the US. 
[14:29] <Symmetria> ;p
[14:29] <Symmetria> oh yeah you'll pay the flat US tax
[14:29] <gremble> Don't you have to pay tax to the country that you live in though?
[14:30] <Symmetria> 30% ;p
[14:30] <Symmetria> oh well, that screws you down to a billion
[14:30] <Symmetria> gremble in KE gambling winnings arent taxable
[14:30] <Symmetria> ;p
[14:30] <gremble> Nice
[14:30] <Symmetria> besides, rich people have the means to find ways to avoid tax ;p
[14:31] <gremble> Lol
[14:32] <Symmetria> lol well thats what my brother tells me anyway :P he's always moaning at how I structured things to avoid paying tax myself and telling me that its not fair because others dont have the means to do that
[14:32] <Symmetria> my brother = eternal socialist ;p
[14:33] <Symmetria> lol, where as I'm the complete opposite, I'm a hard line capitalist, use whatever legal means I can to get outta paying for anything ;p
[19:40] <smile> bye :)