[00:37] <Xretsim> hello
[00:38] <Xretsim> somebody has also problems after updating with connecting to jabber/xmpp (with ssl/don't know without because on my servers I require ssl enabled)
[00:39] <Xretsim> it's with kopete like with the new internal Instant-Messaging
[00:40] <Xretsim> in the arch forum I read that is have something to do with a openssl patch :/
[02:38] <ussher_> I've lost the global keyboard shortcut location.  I want the one that "switch to desktop to the left" (and right).  I'm pretty sure its somewhere in "Global Keyboard Shortcuts" but cant seam to locate it in 14.04
[02:45] <valorie> ussher_: I use krunner to find things like that
[02:46] <valorie> alt+f4 usually, then just type switch desktop or so
[02:46] <ussher_> havent used krunner before, Ill look. thanks
[02:47] <valorie> oh, you are in for some kde-pleasure then
[02:47] <ussher_> ah, yes i have, but didnt know what it was called.
[02:47] <ussher_> i usually use terminal
[02:47] <valorie> so useful for so many things
[02:47] <valorie> sure, but krunner is right there
[02:48] <valorie> although I use yakuake so the terminal is right there as well
[02:48] <ussher_> that brings up lots of changelog.txt files for me.  I want to set my page left / page right keys to switch desktops, but its something you do once, then it always works, so I've forgotten where to set it. setting up my laptop.
[02:50] <ussher_> think i've found it though under Workspace behaviour -> 'Virtual Desktops'
[02:50] <ussher_> yup
[02:50] <ussher_> thanks valorie, I'll be good til the next time I setup a laptop. :)
[02:50] <valorie> cool
[02:50] <valorie> nice to talk with you
[02:51] <ussher_> you too, you're always helpful.
[02:51] <valorie> thanks!
[02:51] <ussher_> :)
[05:37] <Guest98965> Does anyone know where to find kubuntu 15.10 system requirements?
[05:39] <Guest98965> how much ram required?
[05:39] <valorie> hmmm
[05:39] <valorie> !requirements
[05:40] <valorie> we should be about the same as Unity
[05:40] <Guest98965> thank you valorie
[05:43] <valorie> yw
[06:19] <Alok_> Hi All
[06:19] <Alok_> I am new to Kubuntu.....few days back I installed it and found several bug inside that
[06:20] <Alok_> But the UI was awesome...
[06:20] <Alok_> not sure of 15.4
[06:21] <yeuoa> I am having a difficult time figuring out how to format my usb drive
[06:21] <yeuoa> dolphin doesn't give an option..
[06:23] <yeuoa> i havent found any information from google that has helped at all
[06:23] <Chronotoss> Have you tried a pratition program like gparted? or just looked up the fdisk command? I think it's the fdisk command ... I have to look it up everytime I do it aswell.
[06:23] <valorie> !partition
[06:23] <yeuoa> yes i did try gparted..
[06:24] <Chronotoss> thank you Valorie!
[06:24] <valorie> Chronotoss: ubottu has all kinds of useful stuff
[06:24] <yeuoa> after using gparted ive tried to use unetbootin t
[06:24] <valorie> :-)
[06:24] <yeuoa> and it tells me i must first mount the usb drive to the mountpoint
[06:24] <valorie> yeuoa: dd always works....
[06:24] <valorie> !fstab
[06:25] <valorie> hmmm
[06:25] <valorie> !partitions
[06:25] <valorie> ok, both work
[06:25] <yeuoa> hrm
[06:25] <yeuoa> i installed kubuntu...
[06:25] <yeuoa> from a usb drive.
[06:25] <valorie> ok
[06:25] <yeuoa> i am needing to format this usb drive, so i can put xubuntu on it
[06:25] <valorie> that's how most of us do it
[06:26] <yeuoa> kubuntu is running really slow
[06:26] <valorie> ok
[06:26] <valorie> !dd
[06:26] <yeuoa> i cant get kubuntu off the damn usb stick
[06:26] <yeuoa> because the geniuses that made this didnt add a format option
[06:26] <valorie> when you try to put xubuntu on it, it will remove kubuntu
[06:26] <yeuoa> it will not let me....it tells me i have to first mount it to a mountpoint
[06:27] <yeuoa> and that is using unetbootin
[06:27] <valorie> so use dd
[06:27] <yeuoa> wtf is dd?
[06:27] <valorie> or kde-partition-manager
[06:27] <Chronotoss> Run the following command, replacing /dev/sdx with your drive, e.g. /dev/sdb. (do not append a partition number, so do not use something like /dev/sdb1)
[06:27] <Chronotoss> dd bs=4M if=/path/to/archlinux.iso of=/dev/sdx && sync
[06:27] <Chronotoss> from my notes on dd
[06:27] <Chronotoss> off the wiki for arch
[06:28] <yeuoa> is there a terminal command to format ?
[06:28] <yeuoa> surely there is
[06:28] <valorie> http://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[06:28] <valorie> yeuoa: dd is the one
[06:28] <yeuoa> what does dd stand for?
[06:30] <Chronotoss> disk destroyer
[06:30] <yeuoa> ok
[06:30] <Chronotoss> But really you just point the code correctly and wait and it works.
[06:30] <valorie> http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/dd-invocation.html#dd-invocation
[06:31] <valorie> or man dd from the commandline
[06:31] <valorie> *wait* being the important part
[06:31] <valorie> it's not fast
[06:31] <valorie> just good
[06:31] <yeuoa> i can't get kubuntu to mount my usb drive..
[06:31] <valorie> good enough to wreck your HD if you do the command wrong
[06:31] <yeuoa> so its hard getting anything to work at this point
[06:31] <Chronotoss> True that.
[06:32] <yeuoa> i even restarted the computer before i came in here..its not working
[06:32] <valorie> yeuoa: the device manager doesn't see it?
[06:32] <yeuoa> no
[06:32] <valorie> and yet you installed from it
[06:32] <Chronotoss> you should be able to see your drive with lsblk command
[06:32] <yeuoa> valorie, it was working fine until i used gparted a few ago
[06:33] <valorie> ah
[06:33] <valorie> then unfortunately it might be wrecked
[06:33] <valorie> they seem to die rather easily
[06:33] <yeuoa> Chronotoss, yes lsblk finds the drive
[06:34] <Chronotoss> okay so it's not mounted, gparted will unmount a disk before use.
[06:34] <valorie> cool
[06:34] <Chronotoss> you can still dd to install then whoo!
[06:36] <yeuoa> im getting nowhere here
[06:37] <valorie> don't let me scare you out of using dd
[06:37] <yeuoa> dd: failed to open ‘/path/to/archlinux.iso’: No such file or directory
[06:37] <valorie> do you have the iso of xubuntu downloaded and verified?
[06:37] <valorie> !
[06:37] <yeuoa> yes
[06:38] <valorie> you put that path to *that* there
[06:38] <yeuoa> i see.
[06:38] <yeuoa> i am a newb bear with me
[06:38] <valorie>  like ~/Downloads/xubuntu.iso <--- only use the real path, and real name
[06:38] <yeuoa> got it
[06:39] <valorie> and it must be exact
[06:39] <Chronotoss> if you want to know the path to the file, right click it and go to properties, then that's your path, then add the filename at the end.
[06:40] <yeuoa> ok maybe its working now
[06:40] <yeuoa> the drive is flashing...but i dont see any progress bars or anything heh
[06:40] <Chronotoss> Youwont
[06:40] <yeuoa> ok
[06:41] <yeuoa> and you say this takes a long time?
[06:41] <Chronotoss> depends on the file and speed of the bus your working with. for me it was two minutes for a ~500 meg
[06:41] <yeuoa> ok
[06:41] <yeuoa> xubuntu was 1g
[06:42] <yeuoa> and this is creating a bootable iso image on the usb
[06:42] <yeuoa> ?
[06:42] <valorie> most of the isos are a gig, yeah
[06:42] <valorie> yes
[06:42] <yeuoa> ok
[06:43] <valorie> yeuoa: you realize you can just install xubuntu-desktop and run that, right?
[06:43] <valorie> you do not have to do another install
[06:43] <valorie> you can, but do not have to
[06:43] <yeuoa> no i did not know that
[06:43] <valorie> that is one of the strengths of the ubuntu base
[06:44] <valorie> you can run unity, gnome, kde, lxde, xfce just by installing them
[06:44] <yeuoa> i had no clue
[06:44] <yeuoa> but kubuntu seems sluggish and i was wanting to try xubuntu
[06:44] <valorie> oh, and mate
[06:45] <valorie> !releases
[06:45] <valorie> oh, that doesn't have the flavors, sorry
[06:45] <yeuoa> how do i just install xubuntu from here?
[06:46] <valorie> in the commandline: sudo apt install xubuntu-desktop
[06:47] <yeuoa> thats awesome
[06:47] <yeuoa> thank you
[06:47] <valorie> indeed!
[06:47] <valorie> all the flavor people are cool
[06:47] <valorie> not that unity people aren't
[06:47] <yeuoa> and to try the others..i would use sudo apt install gnome-desktop?
[06:48] <valorie> but I know more of the flavor teams
[06:48] <valorie> mmmm
[06:48] <valorie> !gnome
[06:48] <valorie> !ubuntu-gnome
[06:48] <yeuoa> im not sure how one remembers all these commands lol
[06:48] <Chronotoss> Use them, over and over and over
[06:48] <Chronotoss> and write them XD
[06:48] <valorie> oh, I just guess what ubottu knows
[06:49] <valorie> when I get it wrong, it says it doesn't know, in private
[06:49] <valorie> lol
[06:49] <Chronotoss> gotta love bots
[06:50] <valorie> pfff, I don't know if it's still gnome-desktop or gnome-shell or what in the command
[06:50] <valorie> but at worst you just get an error message
[06:51] <rww> ubuntu-gnome-desktop for the Ubuntu GNOME stuff. gnome-shell for upstream
[06:51] <valorie> I like the gnome people, but not the desktop
[06:51] <valorie> thanks, rww
[06:51] <rww> (comparable to kubuntu-desktop vs. whatever y'all use instead of kde-standard)
[06:52] <rww> plasma-desktop i think
[06:52] <valorie> yup
[06:53] <Chronotoss> I never saw a need to install multiple desktop types. Is there a use?
[06:53] <valorie> testing, I guess?
[06:54] <valorie> I've only done it once, and it was for that reason
[06:55] <Chronotoss> I've installed a new desktop, but that was getting rid of gnome for K
[06:56] <valorie> well, I did that a couple of times too
[06:57] <Chronotoss> right now I"m trying to figure out why my ~/.cache/dconf folder has a root owner.
[06:57] <valorie> chroot it
[06:57] <valorie> you probably ran something as sudo when you shouldn't have
[06:58] <valorie> or used sudo instead of kdesudo
[06:58] <Chronotoss> I did that... I also tried to nuke it in tty and reboot and it came back that way again.
[06:58] <valorie> well, you can log out, then move or delete it
[06:58] <valorie> but if you haven't logged out, it is *instantly* recreated
[06:59] <Chronotoss> I was logged out and nuked it under another user.
[06:59] <valorie> hmmm
[07:00] <valorie> well, try chown -R username folder/
[07:00] <Chronotoss> Did that.
[07:00] <valorie> you can do it on your whole ~/home
[07:00] <valorie> although it will take longer
[07:00] <Chronotoss> My home is small thank god.
[07:02] <Chronotoss> it's not affecting anything right now, at least from what I can tell, but I've been told there should be no root owner in my home. So I've been looking it over. deleting it, looking things up and trying it.
[07:02] <valorie> right, that's part of the definition of $HOME
[07:02] <valorie> vs / (root)
[07:02] <Chronotoss> Right.
[07:06] <yeuoa> valorie, ok its done, now what
[07:06] <valorie> yeuoa: what's done?
[07:06] <yeuoa> the xubuntu desktop install
[07:07] <valorie> logout, and grub should let you choose
[07:07] <yeuoa> ok ill try thanks
[07:07] <valorie> oops, I was going to say, you may need to update grub
[07:08] <Chronotoss> I was about to say, at this point you should only get to it at log-in right?
[07:08] <valorie> yeah
[07:12] <yejaf> valorie, i didnt get a choice...it just booted into this
[07:12] <yejaf> valorie, has a pic of a mouse on the desktop lol
[07:12] <valorie> then you have xubuntu
[07:12] <yejaf> hmm ok and kubuntu is gone theni guess
[07:13] <valorie> you might need to update grub if you want to switch back and forth
[07:13] <valorie> nope, not gone
[07:13] <valorie> !grub
[07:14] <valorie> just run `update-grub`
[07:14] <valorie> in the commandline
[07:15] <Chronotoss> I want to optimize the video a little bit more, makes my crappy laptop nvidia cry. any Thoughts?
[07:16] <valorie> !nvidia
[07:16] <mJImmer> any one know how to start orca in sddm ?  I am writing a theme and all I can think is to use qprocess
[07:16] <mJImmer> gsettings is not working
[07:17] <mJImmer> like use qprocess -> then use gesttings would be super annoying for it to start out the bat
[07:20] <Chronotoss> Humm interesting reading. I don't know if it will help but i'll have to read all the material first to be sure.
[07:22] <mJImmer> Yeah it is like because there is no user that I can not use it.  But I can 100% access all the Gsettings with a custom class so not sure *Oo
[07:23] <Chronotoss> Ohh I'm sorry mJImmer, I was responding to valorie. I've never written a theme before so I cannot help too much.
[07:24] <valorie> mJImmer: probably best to ask in #kde-devel, or perhaps better in #kde-accessibility
[07:24] <mJImmer> that is fine I will figure it out.
[07:25] <mJImmer> crazy thing is I have to keep on droping to shell to test lol brb
[07:26] <valorie> well, I've used orca before to test, so it works in kubuntu
[07:26] <Chronotoss> I guess themes are difficult to make? I've been pondering as well a way to control each applications volume, I know you should be able to. have yet to figure out how.
[07:34] <valorie> Chronotoss: can look at other themes and see how they do it
[07:36] <Chronotoss> I could, then I would have to take my time away from my other tinkerings and start a new tinkering. I have alot on my plate right now as I'm leaning Plasma and Kubuntu, as well as more about Linux.
[07:50] <sun-ch> hellO_o
[09:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:21] <Smurphy> Morning
[09:23] <lordievader> Hey Smurphy, how are you doing?
[11:39] <Smurphy> lordievader: Sorry. In calls all day ... -> doing work.
[12:17] <ejay> Hi all. Is there any way to install i386 dev libs and keep 64bit libs? I want to compile wine so I need couple of 32bit libs but, for example, when trying to install dbus:i386 apt-get want to remove dbus package and I want to avoid that. Any ideas?
[12:17] <soee> ejay: i think better to ask on #ubuntu :)
[12:18] <Smurphy> ejay: But it is possible, yes.
[12:18] <ejay> Smurphy: how?
[12:21] <ejay> Now I'm like - how badly I effed up my OS because I just installed a bunch of i386 libs including xrandr and x11 and such and never took a look if apt-get is removing anything I need.
[13:06] <clivejo> ejay: have you tried setting up a i386 chroot environment?
[13:22] <ejay> clivejo: I have not.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:46] <hazamonzo> BluesKaj: Howdy
[13:47] <BluesKaj> hi hazamonzo
[13:55] <uebera||> Hi. Is it just me or is it currently not possible to run "kvm -cdrom xenial-desktop-amd64.iso" on a 15.10 (x64) host without triggering a kernel panic ("VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)")? (It works using VirtualBox, though.)
[13:56] <uebera||> The same goes for kubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso, btw.
[15:08] <kitty> there is no audio in online flash videos. what to do?
[15:23] <LLL> Turn up volume.
[16:21] <esperegu> I just upgraded to 15.10 from 14.04 and now when I try to log in kwin crashed continuesly so I don't even get a desktop. Someone knows how to fix that?
[16:24] <BluesKaj> esperegu:  clean install?
[16:24] <esperegu> BluesKaj: I am afraid to lose my stuff....
[16:26] <esperegu> (besides having to reconfigure everything)
[16:26] <esperegu> BluesKaj: its not windows is it? ;-)
[16:28] <BluesKaj> esperegu, skipping over a release even though it's EOL requires a clean install, unless you have  separate / (root) and /home partitions, then you can install to / and all your conf files and data will be saved from the previous install
[16:50] <esperegu> BluesKaj: all on one partition. I did not skip the upgrade. just immediately after reboot upgraded again.
[16:50] <esperegu> the first upgrade was stuck initially by the way
[16:52] <BluesKaj> esperegu, so where are you stuck ?
[16:53] <esperegu> BluesKaj: now by the crash of kwin. I am now removing all kubuntu desktop related packages and will try to reinstall them
[16:53] <esperegu> hope that will let me in again.
[16:56] <BluesKaj> esperegu, can you get to a vt/tty to update, upgrade and install packages?
[16:56] <esperegu> BluesKaj: I am logged in via ssh
[16:57] <esperegu> BluesKaj: just removed a lot of packages. now installing kubuntu-desktop
[16:57] <BluesKaj> also install plasma-desktop
[16:58] <esperegu> BluesKaj: kubuntu-desktop depends on it....
[17:00] <BluesKaj> esperegu, you may be stuck due to 14.10 being EOL with no active repositories, so my advice is to change the /etc/apt/sources.list debs from utopis to vivid, if you think that's the problem
[17:00] <BluesKaj> utopia rather
[17:01] <esperegu> I thought it had to do with plasma so I moved my .kde folder but that made no difference
[17:05] <duilio_brenta> boh... mi sò scassat' u' cazz!
[17:05] <BluesKaj> esperegu, sudo sed -i 's/utopia/vivid/' /etc/apt/sources.list'
[17:06] <BluesKaj> that command will change your sources.list to 15.04 and update and upgrade should work
[17:07] <BluesKaj> drop the quote mark at the end
[17:07] <BluesKaj> sudo sed -i 's/lucid/maverick/' /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:08] <BluesKaj> oops esperegu don't copy and paste  the above
[17:09] <BluesKaj> that's an example I keep in my cli commands text file
[17:13] <esperegu> BluesKaj: but it's already at 15.10
[17:21] <BluesKaj> esperegu, your sources.list shows wily ?
[17:22] <esperegu> BluesKaj: think so. lemme check. its now rebooting
[17:23] <esperegu> BluesKaj: jep
[17:24] <michel_> hi, i wanna add a Telegram account but when i try it says you need morse for that to work but there is no morse package related! what can i do? :c
[17:25] <BluesKaj> ok , esperegu, still having upgrade freeze
[17:25] <esperegu> BluesKaj: no. but still crashing on kwin
[17:25] <esperegu> BluesKaj: think it is an xorg.conf issue
[17:26] <BluesKaj> do you have an xorg.conf file?
[17:26] <esperegu> yes
[17:26] <esperegu> BluesKaj: without it it starts the desktop. but of course not with my monitors properly....
[17:27] <esperegu> BluesKaj: food first. brb
[17:27] <BluesKaj> best to delete it and start over with nothing and let the default graphics driver do the work
[17:27] <BluesKaj> then find the right driver for your gpu and install it
[17:44] <BigFredy> i have a fresh install of ubuntu 14.04 LTS with Unity, anything to know before installing KDE ?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> BigFredy, install kubuntu-desktop and then you can choose which desktop you want to use at login
[17:47] <esperegu> BluesKaj: is it possible to disable a driver?
[17:47] <BigFredy> BluesKaj : Thanks, i'm on the way.
[17:47] <BluesKaj> esperegu, which driver needs disabling?
[17:47] <esperegu> BluesKaj: well. I see intel and nvidia in xorg
[17:48] <BluesKaj> esperegu, do you have hybrid gpus / optimus system?
[17:49] <esperegu> BluesKaj: desktop with 2 Nvidia cards (and build in video)
[17:49] <esperegu> BluesKaj: I used the 2 nvidia cards with xinerama
[17:50] <BluesKaj> esperegu,did you see my suggestion above about deleting your xorg.conf for now and using the default to keep things stable til we get your setup syraightened out?
[17:51] <BluesKaj> straightened out even
[17:51] <esperegu> BluesKaj: yes. I am running without xorg.conf atm
[17:51] <esperegu> BluesKaj: it logs in now
[17:51] <esperegu> (no crashes)
[17:51] <BluesKaj> ok , are pci gpus the same chip?
[17:51] <esperegu> think so
[17:52] <esperegu> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 520] (rev a1
[17:52] <esperegu> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF119 [GeForce GT 520] (rev a1)
[17:53] <BluesKaj> esperegu, ok looks good, check in system settings>driver manager for the recommended nvidia driver ..probly the nvidia-340 or 352
[17:54] <esperegu> Xorg.0.log: NVIDIA dlloader X Driver  340.96  Sun Nov  8 21:46:28 PST 2015
[17:55] <BluesKaj> esperegu, ok in the terminal,  lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes
[17:56] <esperegu>         Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[17:56] <esperegu>         Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[17:56] <BluesKaj> ok , then you're good to go
[17:57] <esperegu> BluesKaj: what then?
[17:59] <BluesKaj> esperegu, I'm not very knowledgeable about multiple monitors, unfortunately , but I'm ure someone else here can help with that or you could ask in #ubuntu or #kde
[17:59] <esperegu> BluesKaj: looks like a bug.. .reading up on it: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343844
[18:00] <BluesKaj> I have to go push some snow..we had a storm yesterday...BBL
[18:10] <esperegu> so what can I install so I can get the version mentioned in the bug report? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343844#c64
[18:43] <esperegu> anyone? how to get the latest plasma in kubuntu?
[18:46] <BluesKaj> esperegu, depends, if you're willing to try unstable ppas on launchpad
[18:46] <esperegu> BluesKaj: preferably as stable as possible of course.
[18:46] <esperegu> BluesKaj: there no releases?
[18:47] <BluesKaj> the plasma 5.5.3 for wily isn't totally packaged yet, the devs are still working out the kinks
[18:48] <esperegu> BluesKaj: and 5.5.2 ?
[18:49] <esperegu> BluesKaj: according to that comment it is fixed in 5.5
[18:50] <BluesKaj> 5.4.3 goes to 5.5.3 next afaik
[18:51] <BluesKaj> ok , back to the snow...bbl
[19:20] <BigFredy> BluesKaj : i am back with KDE desktop but something is wrong with the keyboard
[19:20] <estan_> hi. does Kubuntu provide source DVDs like Debian does? (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/source/iso-dvd/).
[19:22] <estan_> i'm thinking for the convenience of hardware vendors shipping Kubuntu pre-installed, which need to provide the source for all shipped GPL software on durable media, or a written offer to provide it that is valid for 3 years.
[19:23] <BluesKaj> BigFredy, make sure you update and upgrade now
[19:26] <BigFredy> update & upgrade done
[19:27] <BluesKaj> estan_, images are only available for download. The dvd/cd disks are no longer available
[19:28] <BluesKaj> BigFredy, ok , install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:29] <estan_> BluesKaj: bah. sorry i phrased it wrong, i meant DVD ISOs.
[19:29] <estan_> BluesKaj: and note that i meant source DVD ISOs, not the regular install media, but the sources (like at the debian URL above).
[19:31] <BigFredy> BluesKaj : Perfect ! keyboard works fine now
[19:33] <BluesKaj> estan_, there no disk with isos available whether source or regular install media, whatever you mean by that
[19:35] <BigFredy> Other thing, in the taskbar the keyboard icon let me only choose English, no way to change ibus settings
[19:38] <estan_> BluesKaj: sorry, i'm unclear. i'm not asking about physical DVD for purchase, but ISO images, like you can download at http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/ . but those are the regular install media. i meant source ISOs, containing the source of all the packages.
[19:38] <estan_> at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/source/iso-dvd/ , Debian offers 11 DVDs containing the source of all the packages in Debian. i was just thinking if Kubuntu has the equivalent somewhere.
[19:40] <estan_> i'm guessing that Debian offers those as a convenience for hardware vendors that wish to ship Debian pre-installed, and immediately satisfy the requirement of GPL to provide the source by including those DVDs, instead of having to make an offer (valid for 3 years) to provide it, which is the other option in the GPL.
[19:40] <denza242> estan_: like a mirror of the sources?
[19:40] <estan_> denza242: well yes, but put into ISO images for convenient burning.
[19:40] <denza242> hmm
[19:41] <estan_> the GPL requires it to be on physical media, if you take the option of providing the source straight away at the time you sell it.
[19:41] <estan_> so i guess that's why Debian has those ISOs.
[19:41] <estan_> (if you take the option of making a 3-year promise to provide the source, you're allowed to do so through a network)
[19:41] <denza242> estan_: https://www.osdisc.com/products/linux/ubuntu/ubuntu-1510-software-repository-64bit.html
[19:43] <estan_> denza242: that does not seem to be the source of the packages, but the packages themselves.
[19:43] <estan_> but i guess there's no equivalent to those Debian ISOs for Kubuntu.
[19:43] <denza242> estan_: it can be used as a repository
[19:43] <denza242> wait
[19:44] <estan_> of course.
[19:44] <denza242> estan_: like, the source code of the packages?
[19:44] <estan_> yes. like the Debian ISOs.
[19:44] <denza242> hmm
[19:44] <estan_> i'm asking about the source code. i'm mainly interested from a hardware vendor point of view.
[19:45] <denza242> estan_: also, there probably won't be a "Kubuntu" one, since Kubuntu pulls all packages from Ubuntu
[19:46] <estan_> i see. there are no Kubuntu specific packages what so ever?
[19:46] <BigFredy> I think there an issue with my Ibus preferences
[19:47] <denza242> estan_: there's kubuntu packages, but nothing that can't be downloaded from the main ubuntu repositories
[19:47] <BigFredy> when reload, it set my keyboard to qwerty
[19:47] <denza242> i.e. kubuntu-desktop
[19:47] <estan_> because as a hardware vendor, if you ship GPL software preinstalled, you are obliged to offer the source, either on durable media (like DVDs, bluerays) as part of the sale, or as a valid-for-3-year offer to provide it either on durable media or for download.
[19:47] <estan_> denza242: alright.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> estan_, if you check the kubuntu sources.list you see the src debs listed there, if that's what you mean
[19:47] <denza242> ^
[19:48] <denza242> BluesKaj: how does system76 do it?
[19:49] <BluesKaj> denza242, I assume they follow the FOSS rules for vendor installation OSs, whatever they might be.
[19:49] <denza242> estan_: I would ask these guys how they handle the issue with source https://system76.com/
[19:49] <estan_> BluesKaj: yes. sure. i know that i can always gather the sources myself. i was just wondering if there was anything as convenient as what Debian has, pre-made DVD ISOs with all the sources.
[19:49] <denza242> estan_: tried looking and got nothing
[19:50] <estan_> denza242: yea. i would guess that most vendors don't take the first option of the GPL (to ship the code at the time of purchase), but take the offer route instead.
[19:50] <estan_> yea. i think it doesn't exist. thanks for looking.
[19:50] <denza242> estan_: sorry we couldn't find it for you
[19:50] <denza242> good luck
[19:51] <estan_> i'm just thinking. if i was a hardware vendor, i wouldn't count on repositories et.c. being available, since i'll be legally obliged to provide the source for 3 years, i would want to have my own private mirror.
[19:51] <denza242> estan_: if you have the bandwidth, you could host a mirror yourself
[19:51] <estan_> that's why it's more convenient in a way to provide the source up-front at the time you sell the machine. because then you've complied with GPL and don't have to think about it.
[19:51] <estan_> heh yea.
[19:52] <estan_> i think those 11 Debian DVDs ISOs would fit exactly on one dual-layer Bluray disc btw :)
[19:53] <estan_> so if you don't sell many machines (which is my situation), then shipping the source at the time i sell the machine would be more convenient than having to make sure it's available somewhere for 3 years.
[19:53] <estan_> (and it's three years after you provided the object code _or_ after you provided the last spare part for the machine).
[19:53] <estan_> GPL is complicated :)
[20:06] <Bigfredy_> how to install more inputs methods in Ibus ?
[20:14] <BigFredy> ibus input method French added, did'nt saw the arrow at first sight, then it was easy
[20:51] <esperegu> BluesKaj: which ppa u advice?
[21:04] <Bigfredy> BluesKaj: Thanks for help, everything is fine now. KDE is running
[21:35] <ArmOrAttAk> guys i'm using 14.10 and i can't apt-get update. us.archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com not found. where are the utopic repos?
[21:40] <genii> It's End Of Life
[21:41] <genii> !14.10
[21:41] <ArmOrAttAk> !upgrade
[21:45] <genii> !eolupgrade
[21:45] <genii> There, that one
[21:45]  * genii wanders back to work
[21:45] <ArmOrAttAk> thanks genii
[21:48] <genii> ubottu: 14.10 is <reply> Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) was the 21st release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 23rd, 2015. See !eol, !eolupgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/utopic
[21:48] <genii> ubottu: no 14.10 is <reply> Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) was the 21st release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 23rd, 2015. See !eol, !eolupgrade and http://ubottu.com/y/utopic
[21:48]  * genii makes more coffee
[22:39] <anabain> what is the correct way to get rid of baloo in 15.10?