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hikikoHello05:40
pittiGood morning06:01
didrocksgood morning06:44
pittibonjour didrocks ! as-tu passé un bon we?07:07
didrockspitti: bon week-end, merci, et toi ?07:14
pittididrocks: pareil, c'était calme07:15
pittiil a plu :(07:15
didrockspitti: yeah, didn't stop raining here as well, so can't do a lot :(07:16
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seb128good morning desktopers07:40
didrocksre seb128!07:42
seb128re :-)07:45
larsugood morning! Happy Monday :)07:55
seb128hey larsu, happy monday!07:56
seb128had a good w.e?07:56
larsuhi seb128! I did thanks. How was yours?07:56
seb128quite good, thanks! relaxed and had a fondue dinner with friends on saturday and played tennis yesterday07:57
didrockshey larsu, how are you?07:58
larsudidrocks: good thanks! how are you?07:58
larsuseb128: yummie07:58
seb128:-)07:59
didrockslarsu: I'm great, thanks!07:59
didrockspitti: testing multiple autopktests at the same time for Make, medium ones (using another branch, which sources /etc/environment to docker config) and large!08:04
didrocksat least, they all shows up correctly in the UI :)08:04
didrockspitti: ah, it seems though that it's reinstalling the ubuntu-make package in the first testbed :/08:22
didrockspitti: so, I need to remove that from Depends and move the install (+ and keep optional uninstall if not system tests) in the setup script08:22
alexarnaudhello world!08:28
seb128hey alexarnaud08:29
didrocksgood morning alexarnaud08:31
pittididrocks: ah yes, every test will reinstall it if it's in Depends:08:36
pittididrocks: did you already get some logs of the large tests?08:37
pittididrocks: (sorry, was out for a bit for doctor)08:37
didrockspitti: ah, I understood the contrary on Friday when we say it was dummy and just comparing with previous tests test bed requirements08:38
didrockspitti: large and medium tests are still running08:38
pittididrocks: ah, sorry for the misunderstanding08:38
didrockspitti: but medium doesn't find the docker index it seems08:38
didrockslarge are running (one failure for now)08:38
pittididrocks: I meant that determining whether to *reset* the testbed doesn't check the actual package list08:38
didrocksok08:38
pittididrocks: but dependencies will be installed always08:38
didrocksI'll thus move apt install ubuntu-make in setup08:39
didrocks(and remove from the dep)08:39
didrockspitti: so, it seems that sourcing /etc/environment didn't work for docker08:39
didrocksor that the proxy doesn't allow this08:39
pittididrocks: what do you expect in /etc/environment?08:39
pittioh, proxy setting08:39
didrocksyep08:39
pittididrocks: proxy should allow accessing docker.io08:40
didrocksI needed before to export http_proxy though08:40
didrocksI don't know if docker config file doesn't expect "export" keyword08:40
willcookegoooood morning all08:59
seb128hey willcooke09:01
seb128had a good w.e?09:01
didrocksgood morning willcooke09:01
Laneyhello pals!09:03
willcookegood thanks seb12809:05
seb128hey Laney!09:06
seb128how is the u.k today?09:06
* Sweet5hark managed to not read any email during vacation. First (smaller) inbox now has 714 new mails.09:07
Sweet5harkWondering what the big one will bring ...09:08
seb128hey Sweet5hark, welcome back! did you have good holidays?09:08
didrocksgood morning Laney09:09
didrockshey Sweet5hark09:09
willcookew/b Sweet5hark09:09
Laneyhey seb128 didrocks09:10
Sweet5harkseb128, didrocks, willcooke: morning all!09:10
Laneygetting colder!09:10
Laneyand Sweet5hark!09:10
seb128still around 6-7°C here09:10
Laneyweather says 3° atm09:11
Sweet5harkseb128: holidays were great. Was at tenerife for a week. 25C and wonderful weather to fight off a winter depression. As a bonus spain is celebrating christmas until 5th january. So Santa Claus and stuff under palm trees ;)09:12
Sweet5harkLaney: heya.09:12
seb128Sweet5hark, nice :-)09:13
seb128you should have stayed and worked from there for a bit :-)09:13
Sweet5harkseb128: yeah, maybe. It was an incredibly cheap (for what I got) all-inclusive-travel booked on a short notice. The only downside was no flexibility on the dates and such.09:16
seb128I see09:16
seb128well at least if the week make you good it's great ;-)09:16
seb128made*09:16
Sweet5hark... and the other inbox has 2589 new mails.09:22
pittihey Sweet5hark, welcome back and "gesundes Neues!"09:23
pittihey Laney09:24
willcookeSweet5hark, watched a few CCC videos over the weekend, lots of interesting stuff as always :)09:28
Sweet5harkwillcooke: oh yes.09:32
Laneyhey pitti!09:34
Laneyyou well?09:34
Sweet5harkwillcooke: i was introduction a new visitor to the madness, so found less time to spend in picking up the usual conversations, 0-days and #vncroulette and stuff like that ...09:35
Sweet5harkwillcooke: if you havent seen it yet, https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7483-computational_meta-psychology was a lot of fun -- esp. since someone mentioned the speaker having a cute resemble09:37
willcookethanks, I'll take a look :)09:37
Sweet5harkresemblance to Sheldon Cooper.09:37
Sweet5harkpitti: Frohes Neues! ;)09:38
willcookeSweet5hark, ha!  Yes indeed09:38
seb128Laney, did you say you would reply on the desktop list about the calendar app choice? we sort of let the discussion pending but did the work, might be nice to wrap with a "that's what we did and why"?09:49
Laneyyeah I should09:54
didrockspitti: I guess you need to kill the medium test for ubuntu-make-master09:55
seb128thanks09:56
pittididrocks: done09:56
Laneyjibel: hey, is there a new jenknis for the pending -> current tests now?09:56
Laneyjenkins09:56
pittididrocks: it would have timed out eventually, too09:56
didrockspitti: I will try a manual export for now and see if this work…09:56
didrocks(to see if the issue is that it's just not exporting the env var)09:56
pittiLaney: should be https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/ now09:57
Laneypitti: good knowledge!09:57
Laneyassuming it loads09:58
pittiLaney: it's VPN only09:59
Laneyon .u.c?09:59
pittiLaney: I think all the Jenkaas instances are ATM09:59
Laneybleh09:59
didrockspitti: quite some large tests failure: https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-trusty-ubuntu-desktop-ubuntu-make/trusty/amd64/u/ubuntu-make-master/20160111_092137@/log.gz10:00
didrockssounds like starting apps in the session isn't working10:01
* didrocks wonders why, working locally, should try with a trusty cloud image though10:01
pittididrocks: ah, unity doesn't run?10:01
didrockssounds like it10:01
didrocksonly the non visual frameworks have passed10:01
pittididrocks: do you reboot the VM or restart lightdm after installation? i. e. does that session actually run?10:02
didrockspitti: I do reboot it after setting up autologin, unsure if the session actually run10:02
pittididrocks: also, the test runs a ssh session -- how does that do things in the unity session?10:02
Laneyjibel: https://platform-qa-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/mark-pending-current/8/console <- do you know if the keys got changed or something?10:02
didrockspitti: running dbus-launch and export DISPLAY10:02
pittididrocks: but that's not sufficient10:02
didrockspitti: that's exactly what's passing on wily10:02
didrocksthe launcher is just a warning10:02
pittihm, but I'm quite sure you also need to grab the real sessions' dbus10:03
didrocksit's not what's making the thing failing10:03
didrockslet me try first locally with a trusty cloud image10:03
didrocksand see how this goes10:03
pittiyou are using another upstart instance (or rather, none at all as ssh isn't a desktop session), different gvfs, bamf, can't talk to unity etc.10:03
pittiok10:03
didrockspitti: yeah, not talking directly to unity isn't the issue making it fails here (but I'll change that at some point)10:04
didrocksit's just not adding the dekstop file to the launcher10:05
pittididrocks: so my best guess would be that the desktop session doesn't start up on trusty (LLVM pipe etc.), would that cause these errors?10:05
didrockspitti: yeah, and that seems to match the "it seems that only visual frameworks (needing really a X session)" are failing10:06
didrocksat least, it means that download and extraction worked well10:07
didrockspitti: hum adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud -r trusty10:07
didrocksCould not find setup-testbed script10:07
* didrocks looks at the wifi10:07
didrockswiki10:07
pittididrocks: ah, already fixed in git, sorry about that10:08
pittididrocks: workaround: sudo chmod +x /usr/share/autopkgtest/setup-commands/setup-testbed10:08
didrocksthx!10:08
* didrocks reruns10:08
didrockspitti: chmod didn't fix it10:13
Laneydidrocks: might be my fix  https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git/commit/?id=0d7f5a9a516fc0005821fc136f1fb9dfe164672e10:13
Laneygood job you have that 1gbps internet :)10:14
didrocksLaney: yep :p10:15
pittididrocks: argh; let me try here; 3.19 I suppose?10:15
didrockspitti: yeah10:16
jibelLaney, hey, yes the keys have been updated last week. There is a ticket open with IS. I'll see with nuclearbob when he's online today.10:16
pittididrocks: 1 min to download cloud image10:16
didrockspitti: did you fix, rerunning10:16
pittididrocks: ^ qoui ?10:17
didrockspitti: I applied https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git/commit/?id=0d7f5a9a516fc0005821fc136f1fb9dfe164672e and it works now10:19
Laneyjibel: ok, might be worth poking IS assuming it's quick for them to do10:19
pittididrocks: ah, so that was the other fix10:20
Laneyjibel: is it right that all of these instances have to be vpn only ATM, BTW?10:20
* Laney runs mark-current manually for now10:20
pittididrocks: I thought about https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git/commit/?id=98e219ebfa9310:20
pittididrocks: but I guess you might have run into that next :)10:20
didrocksyeah ;)10:21
didrocksok, image built, running now large test from this cloud image10:22
pittididrocks: I hope you have acng10:23
hikikointernal compiler error triggered by something on nux... i hate those errors :/10:29
jibelLaney, it's fixed, it was an invalid path. Although there is still an 'Invalid Address' error in jenkins' logs but the copy works.10:43
Laneyjibel: nice, thanks!10:44
jibelemail notifications are misconfigured but only IS can fix it, it's relatively harmless,n we just don't receive notification on failure but since you ping us it's fine ;). I'll report it.10:45
LaneyI did notice that on the Jenkaas wiki page there's a YES/NO for if it should be accessible to the public so it seems like this is supposed to work10:46
didrockspitti: hum, going for a run, but I don't find the ppa arguments in my adt-run10:48
didrocks(which I need for deps on trusty)10:48
pittididrocks: you mean how to tell adt-run to add an use a PPA?10:49
pittididrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14468336/10:50
didrockspitti: ah, thanks!10:51
pittididrocks: and yes, it's horrible :/ but I can't rely on add-apt-repository in the testbed10:51
didrocksyeah10:51
didrocksthx!10:51
* didrocks really gone now10:51
pittididrocks: bon cours !10:51
xnoxmy dual-screen is not working =)11:40
xnoxand i am sad =(11:40
xnoxmain screen is 1920x1080 the other is 1024x76811:41
* xnox ponders if kernel people broke it.11:41
davmor2xnox: hit it, it works for gibbs11:41
xnoxdavmor2, did that.11:41
davmor2xnox: damn it I'm all out of suggestions then I'm afraid ;) Maybe check your leads, and reboot11:42
Laneytry old kernel then you can know to blame them11:44
Laneyblaming kernel team is the best kind of blame :)11:45
davmor2Laney: no blaming Saviq and ogra_ is the best blame cause they always redirect it to the right person almost instantly :)11:46
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ricotzLaney, hi, could you grab gettext 0.19.7-2ubuntu1 when you have a moment -- https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/5951902/+listing-archive-extra12:59
Laneyricotz: not right now but maybe later, would be good if you could file a sponsoring bug13:03
Laneythanks for working ont hat13:03
didrockspitti: hum, I reallyl can't seem to be able to add the ppa: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14468917/13:06
didrockspitti: my apt get install in setup has --force-yes, I wonder if it's the dep requirements from debian/test/control failing13:06
pittididrocks: ah, you didn't import the GPG keys13:07
didrocks(as those are the build-deps)13:07
pittididrocks: you can add [trusted=yes] to the deb sources, then gpg won't be needed13:07
didrocksah ok, doing then :)13:07
didrocksyeah, but let me add it rather13:07
didrocksthx!13:07
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didrockshum13:26
didrocksadt-run [14:25:02]: test pep8: [-----------------------13:26
didrocksssh: connect to host 127.0.0.1 port 22: Connection refused13:26
didrocksqemu-system-x86_64: terminating on signal 15 from pid 2831313:26
didrocksadt-run [14:25:03]: ERROR: testbed failure: testbed auxverb failed with exit code 25513:26
didrockspitti: ^ ssh is always installed though one? (and I used -s, so it should have stopped and offer me to connect)13:27
didrockss/one/no/13:27
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pittididrocks: images normally have openssh-server, yes13:37
didrocksthat output is weird thus, I relaunched to see if that was transiant13:38
didrockspitti: ok, it seems that the image creation failed somewhere… no openssh installed by default13:44
didrocksis there any way to download the one used by autopkgtests? I wonder if adt-vmbuilder isn't broken13:45
* didrocks relaunches "adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud -r trusty" for the 5th time today13:47
andyrockgood afternoon all :)13:48
seb128hey andyrock13:48
andyrocktoo late to use "morning" :)13:48
didrockshey andyrock13:48
didrockspitti: yeah, can be cloud-init or adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud, but the new image is broken as well. I'm adding openssh manually for now13:56
desrtgood morning, desktop-ers!13:57
desrtand happy monday13:58
didrockshey desrt!13:58
desrtgood morning, didrocks13:59
desrtinteresting study in reliability and redundancy from this morning: a bridge in northern ontario just went out, cutting the trans-canada highway in half14:05
desrtalternate route?  there is none.14:05
desrtwhat used to be a 2 minutes trip to the other side of town is now impossible.14:06
desrtnorth?  we don't really have roads up there....   south? do you really feel like going all the way around one of the great lakes and through the USA?  19 hours...14:07
desrtthe very definition of 'single point of failure'14:08
seb128hey desrt, how are you? had a good w.e?14:09
desrtyes.  i did.14:09
desrttime with family, and saw an interesting play.14:10
seb128nice14:10
desrtand took mascha to the airport...14:10
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didrockspitti: for now, all large tests are passing here with my cloud image (not fully done yet)15:05
seb128larsu, hey, any news of the nautilus menubar?15:05
pittididrocks: did you have to change anything? i. e. was that "I fixed it", or "I cannot reproduce the session startup failure"?15:06
didrockspitti: that was unfortunately the second case :(15:06
didrocksthe only thing I did as adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud doesn't create image with ssh in is to add it manually before running the tests15:07
didrocks(cloud-init regression?)15:07
larsuseb128: desrt didn't like my patch-gtk approach (and she's right). Fixing that right now15:07
pittididrocks: hm, waaaait15:07
seb128larsu, ok15:07
pittididrocks: that might be a bug in setup-testbed, the purge list might be overzealous15:08
didrockspitti: |o|15:08
didrockspitti: I WANT MY SSH! :-)15:08
* didrocks hugs pitti15:08
pittididrocks: I tested it with sid and xenial, but maybe on trusty something that I purge is a dependency of openssh-server?15:08
seb128larsu, other topic, gnome-logs lists logs from decembre 16-17 as most recent for me, but journalctl has logs from jan 08-11 in -b 0 ... do you know what might be going on?15:08
didrockspitti: yeah, do you want me to try on xenial here?15:08
didrocksto confirm it's trusty-image related15:08
pittididrocks: you sohuld see "purging openssh" in the adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud output, do you still have it in backscroll?15:09
didrockspitti: hum, let me dig into my terminals, otherwise, I can relaun it for the 6th time :p15:09
pittididrocks: note, if you are experimenting with this, download the trusty image into /tmp/, do "ln -s . current", "ln -s . xenial", and adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud --cloud-image-url file:///tmp/15:10
pittididrocks: as this isn't want you really want to debug (you can leave the openssh fix to me), just comment out the big purging from /usr/share/autopkgtest/setup-commands/setup-testbed15:10
didrockspitti: trying without purging then15:11
larsuseb128: does it list the latest boot in the boot menu? (dropdown from the title bar)15:11
seb128larsu, no, most recent is dec 16-1715:12
larsuseb128: weird!15:12
seb128indeed ...15:12
seb128where does it get the info to populate that list from?15:13
larsuthe journal api15:13
larsusame as journalctl15:13
larsuhm works for me, but I guess that's not what you want to hear :D15:14
seb128is there a dbus call I can do manually or something?15:14
larsuno, it's a c api15:14
larsusd_journal_*15:14
larsudid you reboot since then15:14
larsu?15:14
seb128yes15:14
seb128I reboot daily or most days15:14
larsujournalctl shows log messages old-to-new15:15
larsuand gnome-logs new-to-old15:15
larsuwhich gnome-logs are you using?15:15
seb128the xenial one15:15
seb1283.18.115:16
larsufrom when is the last message you do see in logs?15:16
seb128déc. 17 2015 11:5815:16
seb128is the most recent entry15:16
seb128which is a "journal stopped"15:16
larsuoh15:17
larsuyou can stop the journal?15:17
larsubut then, why would jorunalctl still show stuff?15:17
seb128it's done on shutdown15:17
seb128well, that was a shutdown log15:18
larsuah ok15:18
larsuI guess no errors/warnings on stderr?15:18
seb128no15:18
* larsu doesn't even know how to start debugging this15:18
seb128(gnome-logs:1234): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkListBox with a model will ignore sort and filter functions15:18
seb128only15:18
seb128but I doubt it's it15:18
larsuyeah15:18
larsuoh!15:19
larsuthere was a bug where it used the first 5 boots15:19
larsuin the menu15:19
larsuinstead of the last 515:19
seb128that change to only fetch 5 seems to not be in gnome-3-1815:20
larsuI have more than 5 boots though and it woeks15:22
seb128larsu, don't worry I though maybe there was a directory or dbus api I could check, seems it requires proper debugging15:22
seb128I might have a look later15:22
larsuindeed15:22
didrockspitti: confirming the overzealous purge (without it, I have openssh on trusty15:25
pittididrocks: ack; I'll fix this in a moment15:25
didrockspitti: still no failure (for now) in large tests, but still running15:25
pittididrocks: ok, could then be a difference in QEMU's emulated graphics cards? (trusty vs. xenial)15:30
didrockspitti: ah, you mean without any dri support?15:31
didrocksthat could be why unity doesn't start…15:31
pittididrocks: we could make it use xserver-xorg-video-dummy, that usually works a bit better15:31
pittididrocks: is it easy enough to construct a fast autopkgtest which just sets up the session?15:32
pittididrocks: for debugging this right on the cloud without having to wait for the full test?15:32
didrockspitti: we can change the TESTS parameters!15:32
pittididrocks: or, doesn't even need to be a test, just a set of the shell commands which I can paste into a newly created instance15:32
didrockspitti: let me run one which should fail on the infra15:33
pittididrocks: and then I reboot the instance and reconfigure X until unity starts15:33
didrockspitti: ok, let me proceed a run (once I get one short tests which should fail)15:34
didrockspitti: just submitted the eclipse one, which should be a short download, let's see15:39
pittididrocks: ah, I purge python2.7-minimal, bad me -- this is still required for older releases15:40
didrockspitti: that's what happen when you demonstrate so much your hate for python2 ;)15:41
pittiseb128: VT keymap fix landed15:43
seb128pitti, I saw the upload this morning, thanks!15:44
pittiseb128: wow, you did? can I use your time machine, too?15:44
seb128pitti, sorry, it was after lunch ;-)15:44
seb128assuming15:45
seb128  * Add debian/keyboard-configuration.links to (statically) enable15:45
seb128    console-setup.service. It is not being pulled in by plymouth any more, and15:45
seb128is the fix15:45
didrocksseb128: I wonder why I didn't get it though15:46
pittididrocks: argh, and perl too15:46
pittiseb128: yes, and yay my sentences for being15:46
pitti... cut off at the end :)15:46
seb128didrocks, yeah, I don't understand either, what is your systemctl  status console-setup.service ?15:46
seb128lol15:47
didrockspitti: you reimplemented computer-janitor?15:47
didrocks:)15:47
didrocksseb128:    Active: inactive (dead)15:47
seb128k15:47
didrocksstill azerty, even on a tty15:47
seb128so I don't know what sets the layout on vts for you15:47
pittididrocks: it's a constant battle against the ever-fattening cloud images, but indeed purging interpreters is dangerous15:47
pittididrocks: did it ever run?15:47
pittididrocks: it didn't have RemainAfterExit=, I added that too now15:47
pittibut you should see if it ran in systemctl status15:48
didrockspitti: I should have some output, you mean?15:48
didrocks$ sudo journalctl -u console-setup.service -b15:48
didrocks-- No entries --15:48
pittididrocks: no, it should say inactive since Jan 9 blabla15:49
pittididrocks: if console-setup.service never ran for you, then something else called loadkeys15:49
seb128didrocks taught his system that french and azerty are the true defaults15:49
pittididrocks: setup-testbed fixed in git, thanks for spotting15:50
pittididrocks: I want to give the "get correct apt-get source version" a day of real-life testing, then I'll upload 3.19.115:50
didrocksseb128: the "right" way15:50
didrocks:)15:50
* pitti will break it again if the keybaord layout is "azerty", i. e. unusable15:50
seb128:-)15:50
didrockspitti: excellent!15:51
didrockspitti: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-ubuntu-make-master should be one test running (and failing to execute eclipse)15:51
pittimedium               PASS15:59
pittididrocks: expected? ^15:59
pittididrocks: oh, it's the large ones, isn't it15:59
didrockspitti: large will pass, it's custom as we only run one tests16:02
didrocksone or specific tests :)16:02
didrockshum, large is running though (and probably all tests)16:02
didrocksargh16:02
didrocksTESTS=es<…>16:03
didrocksmissing t16:03
didrocksdidn't match the start, so only the whole string16:03
didrocksand in that case, the fallback I've made is to run the matching category16:03
didrockspitti: issued another run16:03
didrockspitti: the custom test is now starting16:26
pittididrocks: EOD now; in case I get up much earlier than you, could you send me a pointer to which 5 shell commands I need to run in a trusty VM to make it do what your test does?16:26
pittiwow, timing :)16:26
didrocksheh :)16:26
didrockssure, will do, once I confirm it's failing :)16:26
didrocks(should be one command)16:26
pittididrocks: I'll check again in 20 mins, just starting dinner prep16:27
didrockspitti: ok, it seems it already ended, let me check the status16:27
didrocksyep, it failed the same way16:28
* didrocks sends an email16:28
ksamakhikiko: hi16:36
ksamaki'm currently working on the possibility to add a base atk (a11y) support to compiz16:37
ksamakand i've seen some gobjects in compiz, rather in python for ccsm.16:37
ksamaki was wondering if addig some gobjects to compiz is acceptable?16:38
ksamakhikiko: didrocks well, i'm looking for a way to not do that, cause i think it's not desirable.16:38
didrocksksamak: I really think that's hikiko's area (also TheMuso looked at that in the past IIRC), so yeah, let's see what they tell :)16:40
ksamakok. thx16:41
Laneyyak SHAVED.17:00
pittididrocks: hm, still running?17:07
pittididrocks: ok, that's from your "ests"17:07
didrockspitti: yeah, that's the large one, the other one is linked in my email17:08
pittididrocks: ok, I'll prepare an image with ubuntu-desktop installed this evening, then I can do this faster tomorrow morning17:10
pittididrocks: thanks for the mail17:10
didrocksyw!17:10
didrocksthanks for looking into this :)17:10
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* pitti waves good night17:12
didrocksgood night pitti17:13
willcookenight pitti17:23
seb128Laney, what yak did you shave?17:32
seb128webkit?17:32
* didrocks waves good evening and good night17:43
SatdeepHello guys18:04
Satdeepi am new to Ubuntu18:04
Satdeep how to install Phonetic Input method for Gurmukhi Punjabi ?18:04
SatdeepIt was available for Ubuntu 10 and 1118:05
Satdeepbut not 1418:05
Laneyseb128: virt-manager was busted18:11
Laneyand now ubiquity doesn't work, whyyyyyyyyyy18:11
Laneyone for tomorrow18:13
Laneylaters18:13
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ochosihi folks! i read about gnome-software landing in 16.04 but so far all i find is darkxst's ppa with 3.18 (and some outdated libapt prevents me from testing that). is it even decided that gnome-software will be used by default and if so, when will it be testable?19:47
willcookeochosi, hey, robert_ancell is working on it amongst others.  He should be online in a few mins.19:50
ochosiperfect, thanks willcooke!19:51
ochosimy general guess is that xubuntu will follow ubuntu's lead, but i'd still prefer to test before we take an (educated) decision19:51
willcookemakes sense19:51
willcookeof course, Ubuntu Software Centre will still be in the archives, but it's rather abandoned19:52
ochosiyeah, we thought that might be the case, so at least there'll be a fallback19:54
ochosithere was a (very brief) discussion about going back to synaptic, but since that one hasn't become more userfriendly since we dropped it from default ~4yrs ago, that was a fairly easy decision to make19:55
davmor2ochosi: does xfce not have a default package manager at all?19:56
ochosinope19:57
ochosinever had one19:57
happyaronseb128: could you subscribe desktop-bugs to fonts-noto-cjk?19:58
happyaronseb128: for using it by default for CJK19:59
davmor2ochosi: oh well fair enough then19:59
* happyaron back to bed20:03
dobeyhah. well i hope we switch away from software-center for 16.0420:04
willcookeg'night all20:35
seb128happyaron, done20:45
ochosirobert_ancell: hi! willcooke mentioned you might be able to tell me whether gnome-software is ready for testing in xenial?20:54
robert_ancellochosi, not ready for testing - it requires you to install PK 1.0 which is not available yet. I need to set up a PPA20:55
TheMusoksamak: The only place where I know of GOBject anywhere near compiz is in unity itself, for a11y support. Afaik compiz is all C++ now, and I'd say upstrea would prefer it that way.20:57
ochosirobert_ancell: oh right, any eta for that? (not trying to rush you or anything, just curious so we can plan a bit better)21:02
robert_ancellochosi, I'll try and consolidate what I've got and produce a PPA and some tasks by the end of the week so others can help out better21:03
attenterobert_ancell: is there anything i could help out with gnome-software?21:05
robert_ancellattente, yeah, I was talking to will - I'll write up some tasks / open bugs so you can more easily find something to work on.21:06
robert_ancellattente, all the branches are in GNOME git - so you can have a look there if you want21:06
attenterobert_ancell: cool, will do21:07
robert_ancellattente, there is one task that I've kind of given up on. If you could get the online accounts to work with Ubuntu One that would make the GNOME Software side easier21:07
robert_ancellMy plan B is to hack up a UI into GNOME Software, which is what GNOME Maps ended up doing.21:08
robert_ancell(for OpenStreetMap accounts instead of getting it into gnome-online-accounts)21:08
attentesounds interesting, sure21:08
ochosirobert_ancell: ok, that sounds good. thanks for the heads up!21:10
robert_ancellochosi, np!21:10

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