[00:00] <k1l> john-external: details matter
[00:00] <john-external> kll: i would have to resttart
[00:00] <john-external> Full details on error: Error mounting /dev/sdb4 at /media/john-external/Windows: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000" "/dev/sdb4" "/media/john-external/Windows"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: Windows is hibernated, refused to mount.
[00:00] <john-external> Failed to mount '/dev/sdb4': Operation not permitted
[00:00] <john-external> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[00:00] <john-external> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[00:00] <john-external> read-only with the 'ro' mount option
[00:00] <EriC^^> well, on the bright side at least we're getting somewhere
[00:00] <k1l> john-external: come on. i asked 3 times to use a pastebin service
[00:00] <rww> that error message seems rather self-explanatory
[00:01] <rww> john-external: which version of Windows?
[00:01] <john-external> 8.1 pro
[00:01] <rww> john-external: did you power it off/restart, or put it in hibernate last time you used it?
[00:01] <k1l> john-external: and its like we said already. disable inside windows that "feature" to no make real shutdown to simulate a faster boot time
[00:01] <john-external> pastebin service where?
[00:01] <BeardedStoner> it is ok to hang out here if i know absolutely shit about computers
[00:01] <BeardedStoner> is it *
[00:02] <rww> yup, what k1l said. it's either real hibernate or fast start. turn them both off. ask ##windows how
[00:02] <rww> or use Google or something idk
[00:02] <EriC^^> BeardedStoner: sure, you can't cuss though
[00:02] <BeardedStoner> EriC^^ oh sorry, excuse my french
[00:02] <EriC^^> haha, np
[00:02] <john-external> well i try it and be back soon
[00:02] <BeardedStoner> well and if i want to know , is it possible to self-learn?
[00:03] <EriC^^> is there any other way?
[00:03] <BeardedStoner> well people go to college for that
[00:03] <EriC^^> college is just a big syllabus
[00:03] <BeardedStoner> and i have already finished that
[00:03] <BeardedStoner> i can't go back there again
[00:03] <EriC^^> what'd you study?
[00:03] <BeardedStoner> ok good i thought Algebra is a good start
[00:04] <BeardedStoner> dentistry
[00:04] <BeardedStoner> am i doing it right?
[00:04] <llldino> I find the easiest way to learn is by experience, like get familiar with using the terminal, try and apply the things you learn to solve your own problems you're having
[00:04] <BeardedStoner> or should i learn something else
[00:04] <EriC^^> you don't like dentistry?
[00:04] <k1l> EriC^^: BeardedStoner you guys mind to switch to the #ubuntu-offtopic channel?
[00:04] <EriC^^> it's up to you, depends on what you like
[00:04] <BeardedStoner> k1l sure , sorry to interrupt
[00:05] <BeardedStoner> EriC^^ can i pm you?
[00:05] <tikoglan> hallo
[00:06] <EriC^^> sure
[00:06] <EriC^^> you could /join ##linux if you want
[00:18] <arunpyasi> guys any easy tool to create flowcharts from C programing codes ?
[00:23] <nimbiotics> Hi. Wanting to be able to login w/o pwd, I generated an ssh key and copied it into authorized_keys using ssh-copy-id on in a Digital Ocean VPS, but I'm still being asked for a password. Please help me figure out what am i doing wrong. TIA!
[00:25] <EriC^^> nimbiotics: you need to enable public authkey in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[00:25] <EriC^^> then restart ssh
[00:29] <Rajko> what the fuck ubuntu
[00:29] <Rajko> initscripts arent used anymore in 15.10
[00:30] <Rajko> i had ulimits changed for nginx to allow more than 4096 files
[00:30] <Rajko> NOT RESPECTED
[00:30] <Rajko> how fix this
[00:31] <arunpyasi> 15.10 release is not good for me too. Giving problems with Hotspot !!!
[00:31] <k1l> Rajko: ubuntu switched to systemd since 15.04
[00:32] <Rajko> yeah
[00:32] <Rajko> so why are the initscripts even there anymore
[00:32] <Rajko> if they arent going to be run
[00:32] <Rajko> nginx had capability to set ulimit via /etc/defaults/nginx
[00:32] <Rajko> not anymore
[00:32] <Rajko> just had site crash because more than 4096 sockets got opened
[00:32] <Rajko> thanks ubuntu 15.10
[00:33] <llldino> Check this out: http://linuxg.net/replace-systemd-with-upstart-on-ubuntu-15-04-or-an-official-flavor/
[00:33] <llldino> Just replace systemd with upstart
[00:33] <Rajko> i already did that
[00:33] <Rajko> i didnt reboot tho
[00:34] <k1l> llldino: better to fix the issue than use 3rd party PPA to install a init system
[00:34] <Umeaboy> Hi!
[00:34] <llldino> k1l, I absolutely agree
[00:35] <Umeaboy> When wanting to build Cyanogenmod in Ubuntu the wiki-page https://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Build_for_klte tells you to install dependancies, but there is one dependancy that cannot be found: lib32readline-gplv2-dev
[00:35] <Umeaboy> Where is that?
[00:35] <llldino> However, it's good to know that there are options besides using systemd
[00:35] <Umeaboy> packages.ubuntu.com can't find it.
[00:35] <OerHeks> Rajko, this is a debian solution, maybe you can set it in  /lib/systemd/system/nginx ?? >>  https://sskaje.me/2015/06/debian-8-systemd-change-service-ulimit/
[00:36] <Umeaboy> Is there some sort of special PPA for that?
[00:36] <Umeaboy> Ooooooor..........?
[00:36] <k1l> Umeaboy: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/lib32readline-gplv2-dev
[00:36] <kevinburke> hi - running into a permissions issue with groups and I’m sure I’m doing something simple wrong. any ideas? http://stackoverflow.com/q/34712362/329700
[00:36] <k1l> Umeaboy: so, details matter. which ubuntu do you use exactly?
[00:36] <Umeaboy> k1l: Shouldn't sudo apt-get install lib32readline-gplv2-dev be able to install that?
[00:37] <Umeaboy> 15.10.
[00:38] <Umeaboy> Can this package be pushed to Wily as well?
[00:38] <k1l> Umeaboy: that doesnt exist anymore since 15.04
[00:38] <Umeaboy> k1l: Then what do you use instead?
[00:38] <barnito> I snagged one of these https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/pine64/pine-a64-first-15-64-bit-single-board-super-comput
[00:39] <barnito> runs ubuntu
[00:39] <barnito> 15 bucks
[00:42] <k1l> Umeaboy: see if there is a ppa for that package. or ask the cm guys what they need from that package exactly and maybe its in a successor pacakge now
[00:45] <Atm0spher1c> anyone understand smartctl output on SSD and if it really is failing? I'm getting file system read only errors
[00:45] <django__2> hey all how different performance wise are xubuntu and lubuntu
[00:46] <k1l> django__2: Lubuntu is made for slow and old hardware. its lightweight. xubuntu is not so lightweight.
[00:46] <django__2> yeah cuz i went from lubuntu to xubuntu and i love xubuntu heh
[00:47] <MiningMarsh> barnito: You know if it is one of those boards that uses a pos hacked together kernel that only really works with ubuntu? Or is it one of those ones using basically vanilla kernel?
[00:47] <robotti^> I love ubuntu mate <3
[00:47] <blamzus> jo jo jo
[00:48] <EriC^^> blamzus: santa? is that you?
[01:05] <BotnetV2> Hello?
[01:06] <BotnetV2> Hi can anybody hear me?
[01:07] <nicomachus> yes
[01:07] <BotnetV2> Oh sweet, this is the very first irc chat room i've ever joined
[01:07] <`Chef> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvFC61pj778
[01:07] <BotnetV2> and it seems like it hasn't been working, or at least nobody has been responding
[01:08] <nicomachus> welcome. This is an ubuntu support channel, and that is the only thing that is on-topic here. Join #freenode to ask about IRC, or #ubuntu-offtopic for just chatting.
[01:09] <BotnetV2> Oh well I was actually going to ask about something on ubuntu, and that's if ubuntu has a way of modifying the tilling of windows? Or is that only for a window manager like awesome
[01:10] <MiningMarsh> BotnetV2: ubuntu is not really a piece of software, but a collection of software. If you want to know if the default unity desktop can do that, no, I don't think so.
[01:10] <k1l> BotnetV2: what exactly
[01:10] <MiningMarsh> BotnetV2: Ubuntu does have awesome
[01:11] <BotnetV2> Oh yeah I know that, but I was just wondering if you could get the same affects as awesome just in the default ubuntu enviorment
[01:11] <k1l> BotnetV2: ubuntu with its standard desktop unity uses compiz. which is capable of some tiling/window placement
[01:12] <acovrig> I'm trying to run a VM, there is no output in the shell when I start it, yet it doesn't seem to be running; this is the command I'm using to start it: http://pastebin.com/gSHWwBCQ
[01:12] <k1l> BotnetV2: what effects?
[01:13] <MiningMarsh> BotnetV2: probably not to the same degree, no.
[01:13] <BotnetV2> Just simple window tilling but like you said, I can achieve it just not by the same degree
[01:13] <k1l> BotnetV2: unity can do simple window tiling.
[01:14] <BotnetV2> Ah alright, well another quick question is that do you know any rooms that assist with awesome Wm customization?
[01:14] <k1l> see if there is an #awesome channel.
[01:15] <`Chef> can you get the "Application Type" panel (acessibility, accessories, games, etc) to appear to the right of the application icons in unity?  a few versions back it was supposedly possible with a ppa app called "classic menu indicator applet"
[01:16] <nicomachus> ah he's gone...
[01:17] <nicomachus> `Chef: what do you mean...?
[01:17] <`Chef> i want to make it look like the 2nd image on this page http://askubuntu.com/questions/122437/how-to-access-applications-menu-in-ubuntu-unity-desktop
[01:18] <nicomachus> `Chef: that appears to just be the "Filter results" option in the dash
[01:18] <`Chef> ok
[01:19] <`Chef> gnome 3 got rid of that intentionally and i didn't know if unity followed suit
[01:19] <k1l> you mean the classical menu? or the search result grouping?
[01:20] <`Chef> the grouping
[01:21] <`Chef> gnome 3.6 had it, they took it out in 3.8, because someone said it didn't comply with the freedesktop specs, although all other desktops group apps
[01:21] <k1l> just click on the "filter the search" in the upper right of the dash
[01:22] <`Chef> ok
[01:36] <nicomachus> is there a way to use wget with the --post-data option to access things retrieved by POST? specifically, trying to get a PDF that is called by "javascript:__doPostBack('ctl00$ctl00$ContentPlaceHolder$ContentPlaceHolder1$grvReportOutside$ctl11$grvReports$ctl07$lblID','')"
[01:37] <acovrig> when I unbind my gfx card (echo $dev > /sys/bus/pci/devices/$dev/driver/unbind); the entire system hangs; is there any way around this?
[01:42] <Peanut> Hi - I've put a Samsung M2 SSD (950 pro) in a new build, and am copying from an Samsung 850 pro SSD, using a simple 'cp -pr'. I'm only seeing 5 MB/s IO performance, where I would be expecting several hundred MB/s :-(
[01:42] <Peanut> This is on Ubuntu 15.10
[01:43] <michel_> i changed the apt.policy for install and remove packages but i still get a password request while i try to install a package via software center
[01:44] <nicomachus> michel_: so what's the problem?
[01:45] <michel_> nicomachus: i want to remove the password request when i have to update the system or when i install a program via software center
[01:46] <nicomachus> that would require removing the root password... not recommended.
[01:46] <Peanut> michel: You can do this by creating a sudo rule for that command that does not require a password.
[01:47] <eduardoUB> Hi everyone! Quick (hopefully) question. I completely screwed up my system going from trusty to vivid. I want to go back :) I cannot figure out how to do it. What do I search for? :)
[01:47] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: you can't
[01:48] <eduardoUB> EriC^^: yikes!
[01:48] <Bashing-om> eduardoUB: ^^ no redo .. must fresh install .
[01:48] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: why do you want to go back?
[01:48] <geetar_> Can I ask a ubuntu server question here?
[01:48] <EriC^^> yaeh
[01:48] <eduardoUB> EriC^^: it seems to have completely screwed up my system. my packages are a complete mess.
[01:50] <Bashing-om> eduardoUB: If you can boot to terminal. packages are fixable .
[01:51] <eduardoUB> Bashing-om: that's encouraging :) let me see
[01:51] <michel_> Peanut: you mean edit visudo like this %username ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/muon-updater ?
[01:51] <Peanut> Something like that, yes - not that I'm recommending it, but that's how you would do it.
[01:51] <geetar_> I have a server on a LAN.  posgresql is running.  I opened postgresql port 5432 through ufw and it reports that it is open, but nmap -sS does not show that the port is open.  pgadminIII also claims that it cannot connect to the postgresql database because it is not listening on port 5432.
[01:52] <eduardoUB> so for example, i want to install Unity, and I get "packages have unmet deps" and its like "depends on compiz but its not going to be installed" ... lots and lots of this kind of thing. what do i do about it?
[01:52] <EriC^^> michel_: muon-updater ?
[01:52] <geetar_> any ideas?
[01:52] <EriC^^> where'd you get that from?
[01:52] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: try sudo apt-get -f install
[01:52] <michel_> EriC^^: it is delivered with the distro
[01:52] <Peanut> geetar_: perhaps it is only listening on localhost? You can test this by doing 'netstat -na |grep 5432'
[01:52] <EriC^^> which distro is that?
[01:52] <michel_> EriC^^: i am on kubuntu here
[01:53] <eduardoUB> EriC^^: yup no difference
[01:53] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: what's it say exactly?
[01:53] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: type sudo apt-get -f install | nc openterm.tk 9
[01:54] <michel_> Peanut: i edited it already but its not working.
[01:54] <EriC^^> michel_: in unity, it uses some kind of complicated way to get privileges
[01:55] <EriC^^> michel_: why do you want to use software center without having to type the pass?
[01:55] <michel_> EriC^^: since i am using kubuntu there is no unity but plasma 5 on kde
[01:55] <geetar_> Peanut, thanks.   I thought I fixed that but it does not seem to be listening. BUT ... should nmap -sS show that port 5432 is open if I opened it with ufw?
[01:55] <eduardoUB> EriC^^: that's cool: http://openterm.tk/g35f/   i tracked compiz down to the underling issue, and the problem is something (libdecoration0) is at latest version, but if i install something that depends on it, it says "libdecoration0 wont be installed"
[01:56] <EriC^^> yeah, i know, i mean it's not as simple as adding to visudo
[01:56] <michel_> EriC^^: just because of convenience
[01:56] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: try sudo apt-get install compiz
[01:57] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: wow the upgrade really broke it seems
[01:57] <Peanut> geetar_: Depends on what UFW does. Normally, if there is no service running on a port on a machine without firewall, you'd get 'connection refused'. With the firewall inbetween it might drop things, so you would go from 'connection timeout' to 'connection refused', but certainly not 'open' as long as there's nothing listening on that port on the public network interface.
[01:58] <EriC^^> michel_: i think if you start software-center itself with privileges you won't have to type the pass anymore
[01:58] <EriC^^> not sure
[01:58] <geetar_> Peanut, thanks
[01:58] <eduardoUB> EriC^^: that was actually helpful. here's the issue. http://openterm.tk/vjxm/
[01:58] <eduardoUB> Depends: libdecoration0 (= 1:0.9.12.1+15.04.20150410.1-0ubuntu1) but 1:0.9.12.1+15.04.20150922-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[01:59] <eduardoUB> how do i force it to install the right version of that package
[01:59] <michel_> EriC^^: yeah right but to start it this way i still have to type a password in
[01:59] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[02:00] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: it looks like it wants an older version of libdecoration which isn't the installation candidate right now
[02:00] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc openterm.tk 9
[02:00] <nicomachus> EriC^^: not sure if you saw, but he upgraded trusty to vivid
[02:00] <eduardoUB> eric - thank you so much for helping here.my entire sources.list is vivid main restricted multiverse universe
[02:00] <EriC^^> nicomachus: yeah
[02:01] <EriC^^> !info libdecoration vivid
[02:01] <EriC^^> !info libdecoration0 vivid
[02:01] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: maybe you should continue the upgrade to 15.10
[02:01] <EriC^^> and it might sort itself all out
[02:02] <EriC^^> it's odd it says compiz wants the libdecoration 20150410
[02:02] <Bashing-om> eduardoUB: EriC^^ Old PPA ? what returns ' apt=cache policy libdecoration0 ' ?
[02:02] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | eduardoUB check here on how to continue upgrading
[02:02] <eduardoUB> sorry what do yo umean continue? i thought i was already
[02:03] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: no, 15.04 is almost eol at this point, you need to upgrade to 15.10
[02:03] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: can you type apt-cache show compiz-plugins-default | nc openterm.tk 9
[02:03] <eduardoUB> oh - how do i do that?
[02:03] <eduardoUB> continue to 15.10 that is
[02:04] <EriC^^> eduardoUB: ah, just type sudo do-release-upgrade
[02:04] <EriC^^> it's not eol yet so nevermind the whole link above
[02:04] <eduardoUB> ok here we go :)
[02:04] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Hello! /etc/fstab.d is used only for desktop and not for server?
[02:05] <eduardoUB> EriC^^: this is going to end badly but it's OK it's just a VM i am playing with. I really appreciate your help here.
[02:06] <EriC^^> np, with any luck it'll succeed
[02:06] <eduardoUB> this is definitely a super good way to learn more about apt and the releases
[02:06] <EriC^^> yeah definitely
[02:07] <eduardoUB> btw what happens after it hitz Zany Zebra or whatever?
[02:07] <eduardoUB> back to A?
[02:07] <nicomachus> probably
[02:09] <kobe_lake> which files did  UPSTART_SESSION in ubuntu15.04  define? I can not find it.
[02:15] <MountainX> which irc channel can I report a 16.04 daily build installer crash?
[02:16] <EriC^^> #ubuntu+1
[02:38] <eduardoUB> EriC^^: looks like going through to 15.10 pushed things in the positive direction
[02:38] <EriC^^> col
[02:39] <EriC^^> *cool
[02:42] <b1rdd0g> Can someone explain to this noob how to use imgur to paste a screenshot? Do I need to have a login account to be able to Ctrl-v paste images there?
[02:43] <nicomachus> b1rdd0g: no you do not. there is a "upload images" button at the top of the page, and then instructions pop up.
[02:43] <daftykins> drag a file in or click browse
[02:43] <nicomachus> if it's on your clipboard you can just ctrl-v
[02:44] <b1rdd0g> OK, got. So do I have to publish it in order to paste the URL here?
[02:44] <nicomachus> no
[02:45] <b1rdd0g> OK, here is my image that shows my issue with KVM: http://imgur.com/wl4HSgD  It states that I cannot connect to libvirt.
[02:45] <b1rdd0g> I checked all three conditions listed, and all seems to be in order.
[02:52] <b1rdd0g> Is there a way to get multiple lines of command output into a single file for convert to pastebinit? I tried to use script, but "cat typescript | pastebinit" has a bunch of terminal related stuff that makes the output hard to read.
[02:52] <EriC^^> b1rdd0g: what are you trying to do?
[02:53] <nimbiotics> EriC^^: First, the reason I had not answered is 'cause I had an emergency here at home. Second, thanks for the tip. but i still don't have ssh access w/o password
[02:53] <EriC^^> nimbiotics: what's your sshd_config look like?
[02:53] <nimbiotics> gimme a sec to reconnect and paste it
[02:53] <EriC^^> what are the perms of the auth file
[02:54] <b1rdd0g> I would like to enter 3 commands at the command line and send the output of all 3 commands to pastebinit, rather than use pastebinit 3 separate times.
[02:54] <EriC^^> b1rdd0g: (command1; command2; command3) | pastebinit
[02:54] <EriC^^> b1rdd0g: you might be interested to check out http://openterm.tk
[02:54] <b1rdd0g> OK, I thought about that. I was kinda hoping script would work.
[02:54] <EriC^^> you can use it for a live terminal stream if you ever need to
[02:56] <b1rdd0g> EriC: does openterm suppress all the terminal control codes I'm getting with the default xterm?
[02:57] <EriC^^> b1rdd0g: try script -f >(nc openterm.tk 99)
[02:57] <michel__> EriC^^: got it to work. software and update doesnt ask for pass anymore but apt-get install still asks for
[02:57] <EriC^^> this is the output from using it with xterm http://openterm.tk/fvjx/
[02:58] <b1rdd0g> EriC: I tried your suggestion of putting all 3 commands into a subshell, but the only thing you see is the output. You don't see the commands that I am running.
[02:58] <EriC^^> michel__: cool, you can add apt-get to visudo if you want
[02:58] <kuklin> hi
[02:58] <kuklin>  all
[02:58] <EriC^^> b1rdd0g: yeah that will redirect stdout
[02:58] <EriC^^> b1rdd0g: if you want all the output of your terminal, try script -f >(nc openterm.tk 99)
[02:59] <kuklin> please if someone can help me
[02:59] <nicomachus> kuklin: ask your question
[02:59] <b1rdd0g> EriC: I'm still pondering "script -f >(nc openterm.tk 99)". I definitely don't understand that one.
[02:59] <michel__> EriC^^: no i dont want that. the intention was to make the transition for a windows user easier so he/she can update the system and install software via center but not modify the system to much
[02:59] <EriC^^> b1rdd0g: it opens a connection to openterm.tk on port 99 as a file, and uses script with the -f ( flush option ) so it writes to that connection
[02:59] <b1rdd0g> EriC: I'll need to install openterm, first, to do that?
[03:00] <kuklin> i forget my question
[03:00] <daftykins> sounds like a false start
[03:00] <EriC^^> b1rdd0g: no, just open a terminal and type script -f >(nc openterm.tk 99)
[03:00] <b1rdd0g> k
[03:00] <nimbiotics> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14466101/
[03:00] <EriC^^> b1rdd0g: nothing will be installed on your pc, it'll just open a connection using netcat and script will be feeding it the output of your terminal
[03:02] <EriC^^> nimbiotics: pastebin ls -l ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[03:03] <MiningMarsh> michel__: Be careful with that, that is a bit of a security risk.
[03:03] <b1rdd0g> EriC: OK, that didn't seem to help. I still get the terminal control commands imbedded in the output. Can you view this? http://openterm.tk/mz55/
[03:03] <EriC^^> b1rdd0g: yeah
[03:05] <michel__> MiningMarsh: the installation via software center ( very limited ) seems fairly secure, doesnt it? i never faced a problem with it so far
[03:05] <b1rdd0g> EriC: Well, aside from the difficulty figuring out how to "show my work" here in HexChat, the 3 things that I'm supposed to check to figure out why VMM can't connect to libvirtd all seem to check out OK.
[03:06] <MiningMarsh> b1rdd0g: try the perl script here: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/14684/removing-control-chars-including-console-codes-colours-from-script-output
[03:06] <MiningMarsh> b1rdd0g: I think that is what you wanted.
[03:06] <nimbiotics> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14466142/
[03:07] <EriC^^> nimbiotics: noo, i said ls -l ~/.ssh/
[03:07] <EriC^^> not cat ~/.ssh
[03:07] <nimbiotics> oH sry!
[03:07] <EriC^^> change your keys
[03:08] <MiningMarsh> michel__: I believe software center allows one to add new remote repositories, which means you can use it to give root access to aribitrary install scripts.
[03:08] <nimbiotics> EriC^^: -rw------- 1 nimbiotics nimbiotics 400 Jan 10 18:39 authorized_keys
[03:08] <EriC^^> nimbiotics: that looks right
[03:09] <EriC^^> nimbiotics: try ssh -vvv to get more info
[03:09] <EriC^^> ssh -vvv user@host
[03:10] <michel__> MiningMarsh: i let the option default, so it still asks for password when trying to add new repos
[03:11] <b1rdd0g> MiningMarsh: Thanks! That little Perl filter seems to have done the trick!
[03:13] <b1rdd0g> EriC: OK, here is the "pretty" script of my 3 commands to check VMM failing to connect to libvirt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14466171/
[03:15] <nimbiotics> EriC^^: I THANK YOU VERY MUCH! verbosity made me notice my (stupid) error: I had renamed the id file forgot to move it back... It is working now, but I've been at it for HOURS... Muchas gracias
[03:15] <EriC^^> nimbiotics: great! no problem! :)
[03:15] <Rhapsody> I'm trying to set up my headset (Logitech G633) to have 7.1 surround sound enabled via pulseaudio. I edited the daemon file to change the channel amount to 8 and remove the comment ;. When I logged out and back in, there was two devices showing my headset; one with stereo, and one with surround.
[03:16] <Rhapsody> The one with stereo played sound fine, but only out of the left and right channels. The surround one was set to 7.1 but gave no sound out of any channel. I changed the channel configuration a few times.
[03:16] <Rhapsody> I eventually set it back to 2 speakers and now the option to change it at all has disappeared entirely.
[03:16] <Rhapsody> So what do I do?
[03:18] <brandnewbian> where does firefox store flash files and cookies?
[03:19] <MiningMarsh> brandnewbian: firefox appears to store cookies in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/cookies.sqlite
[03:19] <MiningMarsh> judging by the filename
[03:20] <MiningMarsh> Who knows what format that database is in, though...
[03:20] <daftykins> sqlite XD
[03:20] <MiningMarsh> schema, rather
[03:20] <MiningMarsh> daftykins: well of course :P
[03:20] <daftykins> hit up the mozilla/firefox channel(s)
[03:21] <Guest22450> .
[03:30] <anabain> I want to be able to ssh from box 1 root to the another box 2 root, but I can't copy id_rsa.pub's key from box 1 to box 2. What can be done?
[03:32] <ksx4system> is it possible to use latest Ubuntu without systemd at all? (I'm familiar with debootstrap installation method)
[03:33] <Rhapsody_> I'm trying to set up my Logitech G633 headset so that it has surround sound in Ubuntu. To do this, I've edited /etc/pulse/daemon.conf to change the number of channels to 8 and remove the comment before the line. After logging out and logging back in, the option for 7.1 surround on a device had appeared for all of my devices.
[03:34] <Rhapsody_> For Digital Output (S/PDIF), I changed it to 7.1 surround and tested it, but no sound came out of anything. After going to type here about it, the dropdown for all but Line Out has disappeared.
[03:34] <Rhapsody_> How do I do this correctly?
[03:46] <speedy> How to upgrade an Amazon EC2 Instance with ubuntu from a tiny one to a bigger one,using the same data/drive/clone/image
[03:46] <daftykins> that's not ubuntu support, but amazon support.
[03:48] <daftykins> thing about such services, is why not just make a new one - transfer the data and destroy the old?
[03:49] <zacwalls> Hey, so how can I put a openSUSE DVD iso on a usb flash drive? Becuase Unetbootin isnt working. And Startup disk creator isnt ether...
[03:50] <daftykins> ask them if their ISOs support being dd'd
[03:50] <gioaidfisadvjn> Hello
[03:50] <gioaidfisadvjn> Should virtualbox guest additions be installed from the ISO or apt?
[03:51] <MiningMarsh> gioaidfisadvjn: both work, apt is easier to update
[03:51] <zacwalls> daftykins, Good idea
[03:51] <gioaidfisadvjn> Which the better isea?
[03:51] <gioaidfisadvjn> idea*
[03:52] <zacwalls> Well, I got a netinst on a usb but I don't wanna install that way because I am scared... It doesn't look right...
[03:52] <OneM_Industries> He, I am converting a laptop to ubuntu, and it is not seeing the wifi card in the laptop. Any ideas? It is not even showing up in lspci.
[03:52] <speedy> daftykins, it is a exerice to learn and operrate ec2. if migrating is easier then redoing 5 hours of work that was previously done.
[03:52] <daftykins> zacwalls: different distro, not our problem
[03:52] <daftykins> speedy: as it's not normal ubuntu this is not the place
[03:52] <daftykins> and no, my way makes more sense :)
[03:53] <RepThis1_> .
[03:53] <gioaidfisadvjn> OneM_Industries: Click the settings button, then additional drivers
[03:53] <daftykins> RepThis1_: don't do that.
[03:53] <speedy> daftykins,  i simplly want to make a minecraft server image
[03:53] <gioaidfisadvjn> Installing the extra driver will normally fix it
[03:53] <speedy> daftykins,  i simplly want to make a minecraft server image on ec2 daftykins
[03:53] <daftykins> speedy: that's nice
[03:54] <nicomachus> speedy: regardless, it's not ubuntu support related.
[03:54] <OneM_Industries> Ok, it is looking for drivers.
[03:54] <MiningMarsh> gioaidfisadvjn: I usually go with apt.
[03:54] <gioaidfisadvjn> MiningMarsh: Ok
[03:54] <MiningMarsh> the more of the system being tracked by the package manager, the better
[03:54] <speedy> daftykins,  amazon has supported ubuntu in many wanys. why not come here for that? daftykins
[03:55] <OneM_Industries> gioaidfisadvjn: No additional drivers available.
[03:55] <OneM_Industries> Any ideas?
[03:55] <speedy> daftykins,  do you know what channel for amzon irc?
[03:55] <daftykins> speedy: stop now thanks.
[03:55] <daftykins> !alis
[03:55] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: maybe it's USB.
[03:56] <gioaidfisadvjn> MiningMarsh: Ok
[03:56] <OneM_Industries> Nope, internal mini-pci.
[03:56] <daftykins> show us the full lspci
[03:56] <OneM_Industries> Err...
[03:56] <OneM_Industries> Let me figure out how to do that....
[03:56] <daftykins> what, copy and paste text?
[03:57] <OneM_Industries> No network connection?
[03:57] <daftykins> duh...
[03:57] <gioaidfisadvjn> MiningMarsh: Should I install all 4 packages (virtualbox-guest-{dkms,source,utils,x11}), or only some of them?
[03:57] <OneM_Industries> Unless I type the full lspci, in which case you will get it sometime next week.
[03:57] <OneM_Industries> Ooh, I know.
[03:57] <elky> OneM_Industries: phone camera + imgur?
[03:58] <daftykins> if only there were some form of common storage  that could hold text... :)
[03:58] <gioaidfisadvjn> OneM_Industries: Use a pastebin
[03:58] <OneM_Industries> No net connection, gioaidfisadvjn.
[03:58] <OneM_Industries> Yeah, I know. Finding a USB drive now.
[03:59] <MiningMarsh> gioaidfisadvjn: I usually do.
[03:59] <sdistefa_> hi, trying to setup alsa with a separate playback and recording driver, if I use the defaults setting playback works fine, but if I use pcm.!default speaker-test starts to fail, any ideas?
[04:00] <OneM_Industries> Hold on, found a drive but need to format it....
[04:01] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: we don't need a step by step :)
[04:01] <OneM_Industries> Sorry.
[04:05] <OneM_Industries> http://pastebin.com/5SmmfK3i
[04:05] <OneM_Industries> Finally and at long last.
[04:05] <nicomachus> I see an ethernet controller.
[04:06] <daftykins> this still this Pentium 4 or some other relic?
[04:06] <OneM_Industries> Well...
[04:06] <OneM_Industries> Older than the other machine, actually.
[04:06] <daftykins> the executive summary would be great
[04:06] <OneM_Industries> But a business class machine instead of a consumer grade one.
[04:07] <OneM_Industries> http://downloads.dell.com/Manuals/all-products/esuprt_laptop/esuprt_inspiron_laptop/inspiron-6000_owner's%20manual_en-us.pdf
[04:07] <OneM_Industries> ^ The manual
[04:07] <nicomachus> inspiron 6000! wow!
[04:07] <OneM_Industries> Yep!
[04:07] <daftykins> well it obviously isn't seeing a device, so it's either not properly installed or there's a trick to it
[04:07] <OneM_Industries> Hm.
[04:08] <OneM_Industries> Well, can e try exhausting the software options first? The wifi card is a bit hard to get to on this machine.
[04:08] <daftykins> i'd at least start with the ol' power discharge
[04:08] <OneM_Industries> we*
[04:08] <daftykins> no we can't
[04:08] <OneM_Industries> Doh, ok.
[04:08] <OneM_Industries> Turn it off and on again>
[04:08] <OneM_Industries> ?*
[04:08] <daftykins> and it really irritates me the way you try to make these crazy jobs of yours our problem
[04:09] <OneM_Industries> Sorry.
[04:09] <OneM_Industries> I am trying to learn.
[04:10] <daftykins> not a hardware channel
[04:10] <OneM_Industries> I was thinking it was a ubuntu issue, as I have had that with wifi cards before.
[04:11] <daftykins> they don't get totally ignored
[04:11] <daftykins> i suppose you could read through dmesg :D
[04:11] <OneM_Industries> ...right, pulling and putting the card back in.
[04:12] <OneM_Industries> Time to take the keyboard out..
[04:12] <nicomachus> what...
[04:13] <daftykins> hopefully you know to remove the battery and mains prior to such surgery :P
[04:13] <OneM_Industries> Yeah, you have to take the keyboard out to get to the wifi card.
[04:13] <OneM_Industries> Yes, I do. Only made that mistake once.
[04:13] <OneM_Industries> And even then, that was a laptop with a non-removeable battery...
[04:14] <daftykins> they tend to have ways
[04:15] <OneM_Industries> That one was an el-cheapo walmart grade laptop, so...
[04:17] <OneM_Industries> Right, took it out, blew on the connectors, put it back in.
[04:18] <OneM_Industries> And it lives!
[04:19] <django_> hey all
[04:19] <django_> im haivng this issue where i randomly click on something and my view becomes dyanmic and i can move it wiht my mouse!!!
[04:19] <django_> im on xubuntu*
[04:20] <daftykins> OneM_Industries: don't blow on hardware in future, the moisture in breath could kill things - a pencil eraser to the connector usually makes more sense
[04:20] <daftykins> django_: sorry that's way too vague - a video would be handy
[04:21] <OneM_Industries> Ok. Usually blowing on it works. I have to go, see you!
[04:21] <django_> fixed it lol
[04:21] <daftykins> i said don't do it :P
[04:21] <MiningMarsh> OneM_Industries: rubbing alcohol on q-tips.
[04:21] <MiningMarsh> works amazing for connectors.
[04:23] <daftykins> pencil eraser ;)
[04:30] <crutchcorn> Does anyone here know a good place to ask questions about virtualization on Ubuntu? I've been trying SUPER hard to get a question answered pertaining to this and thus far have had very little to no help simply because all the channels that I have been suggested by Google and elsewhere have been empty and AskUbuntu has only gotten one person suggesting something that I already fixed
[04:30] <crutchcorn> I know that I have to wait around on IRC and such and I don't mind that - was just curious is all as to where you guys think I should head next :)
[04:30] <daftykins> go to a channel for the virt tech you're using
[04:30] <daftykins> !alis
[04:31] <daftykins> crutchcorn: you might need to be registered and identified to services to join some channels, that might be why some *appear* empty
[04:32] <crutchcorn> Oooooh... That may make sense... Any advice on that daftykins?
[04:32] <daftykins> on what specifically
[04:33] <crutchcorn> Sorry, broad question. Like, do you think that a Freenode account and logging in would be enough to be able to see the users in a channel?
[04:33] <crutchcorn> Because I currently do and have logged in
[04:34] <daftykins> best idea is to read the channel name once you join, you typically get redirected to another if not reg'd
[04:34] <daftykins> ask in #freenode for further network info, it's off topic here - being an OS support channel
[04:34] <crutchcorn> Been through that and wondered if that's what you mean. Thanks daftykins. Sorry for offtopicness
[04:37] <DF3D2> so im having an issue, I have a denon AVR-S700W and an ubuntu machine with a 750ti. I used to have an LG 1080 TV that would never have signal if I turned the TV/AVR off so I dumped the EDID.bin and piped it in to xorg.conf and all was well. Trouble is I just bought an LG 4k TV and if I dont specify 4k Manually in Xorg.conf and /usr/share/x11/xorg.conf.d/10-monitor.conf I can't seem to get 4k (xrandr doesn't work throws an error many others have had) So
[04:37] <DF3D2> now im left with having to restart GDM all the time if I want to turn off my TV/AVR and then come back and turn them on and have video signal again. The edid dump from my AVR only shows a max of 1080. What Can I do ?
[04:38] <daftykins> don't turn it off...
[04:38] <daftykins> i would've thought that card could do 4K @ 60Hz over HDMI
[04:38] <nicomachus> should.
[04:39] <DF3D2> no it cant
[04:39] <DF3D2> it can do 4k@30hz over hdmi which is fine cause im only using it for movies
[04:39] <DF3D2> for some reason ubuntu reports 60hz but thats wrong
[04:40] <daftykins> i'm surprised it isn't tripping up on that
[04:40] <DF3D2> so am i
[04:40] <daftykins> naturally being Denon i hope the latest firmware is on :>
[04:40] <DF3D2> also my windows 10 rig has none of these issues
[04:40] <DF3D2> it works flawlessly
[04:40] <daftykins> i'm not surprised
[04:40] <DF3D2> yes the denon has up to date f/w
[04:40] <sdistefa_> in alsa setting 'defaults' is working for me, but declaring each hw separately as I need it doesn't
[04:41] <daftykins> DF3D2: what did you obtain the EDID with?
[04:42] <DF3D2> daftykins, get-edid
[04:43] <DF3D2> the issue is it dumps the edid of the denon which shows a max of 1080
[04:43] <DF3D2> and when I add a 4k modeline found with cvt it throws some error
[04:43] <daftykins> what about bypassing the AVR and dumping the one from the TV direct?
[04:43] <DF3D2> I was just about to try that
[04:43] <daftykins> vewy gewd
[04:43] <DF3D2> will that work once I hook the denon back up though is my question
[04:44] <daftykins> pass.
[04:44] <DF3D2> tbh I think xorg is just shitty :-\
[04:44] <daftykins> inappropriate language here, but yes
[04:44] <daftykins> 2016 and folks still have to mess with this level of stuff
[04:44] <DF3D2> yeah I like linux in many ways but I have to say ive never had the issues w/ windows I do with linux
[04:44] <DF3D2> stupid annoying stuff
[04:45] <boxmein> if I start a subshell in a bash script with a process how do I get the process's PID
[04:45] <MiningMarsh> There are plenty of issues I have had on windows that I have never had on linux as well.
[04:45] <boxmein> ( ./relaybox.py >$regular_log 2>$error_log ) &
[04:45] <boxmein> eg, how do I get the PID of python running relaybox.py
[04:45] <DF3D2> MiningMarsh, probably true
[04:46] <DF3D2> im not trying to hate on linux here just really sick of this issue since this is supposed to be an HTP
[04:46] <MiningMarsh> boxmein: $!, usually
[04:46] <DF3D2> HTPC
[04:46] <boxmein> MiningMarsh: has to be done inbetween the parens?
[04:46] <MiningMarsh> boxmein: $! is last spawned program PID, I think it also applies to subshells like that
[04:46] <daftykins> well your mistake is putting a desktop ubuntu install on
[04:46] <daftykins> kodibuntu works well for me :)
[04:46] <DF3D2> daftykins, why is that?
[04:46] <DF3D2> daftykins, well I need that machine for more things than just kodi
[04:46] <daftykins> as could openelec and others
[04:47] <daftykins> like what
[04:47] <DF3D2> zfs, samba, nfs, a few vm's
[04:47] <daftykins> yeah so kodibuntu
[04:47] <MiningMarsh> boxmein: (./test) &; pid="$!" worked for me
[04:47] <daftykins> though i don't know if you use kodi for said HTPC duty
[04:47] <MiningMarsh> reported correct pid
[04:47] <DF3D2> daftykins, infact I do
[04:47] <daftykins> that's too many eggs in one basket for me though
[04:47] <boxmein> MiningMarsh: I see
[04:47] <daftykins> DF3D2: one of the devs also writes ubuntu server install guides for minimal setups
[04:48] <DF3D2> daftykins, actually im on ubuntu-server with my wanted stuff added
[04:48] <DF3D2> im pretty sure my issue is bad xorg code
[04:48] <MiningMarsh> I always find specialized distros a pain
[04:48] <DF3D2> MiningMarsh, exactly my point
[04:48] <daftykins> well i have first hand experience of it and it's fine
[04:48] <daftykins> but anyway
[04:49] <DF3D2> daftykins, anecdotal at best
[04:49] <MiningMarsh> DF3D2: I don't really think xorg is badly written, I think a lot of it is more that graphics are complicated and linux has jack support
[04:49] <MiningMarsh> DF3D2: though there are a few little things Xorg is terrible at
[04:49] <DF3D2> MiningMarsh, well I have none of these issues on windows with another nvidia card so
[04:49] <daftykins> yeah, fair point
[04:49] <DF3D2> who knows tbh
[04:49] <MiningMarsh> daftykins: The minute I decide lodi was the wrong choice and suddenly kodibuntu was a wrong choice.
[04:49] <MiningMarsh> no such issue with just ubuntu
[04:50] <daftykins> i don't understand your sentence
[04:50] <MiningMarsh> DF3D2: oh dear god, nvidia cards have hooooorible linux drivers
[04:50] <MiningMarsh> that is almost entirely nvidia's fault crom what I understand
[04:50] <DF3D2> MiningMarsh, you arent serious are you?
[04:50] <daftykins> oh please, AMD are what's hell
[04:50] <MiningMarsh> *from
[04:50] <DF3D2> MiningMarsh, im sorry but you seem clueless with that statement
[04:50] <DF3D2> nvidia is quite fine on linux
[04:50] <daftykins> that's a bit harsh
[04:50] <boxmein> MiningMarsh: should I want to trap the python script's exit, how do I do that? :P
[04:50] <DF3D2> daftykins, harsh but accurate I believe
[04:51] <boxmein> MiningMarsh: my idea was just slapping && trap "rm -f $pidfile" EXIT in the end of the subshell command
[04:51] <MiningMarsh> boxmein: you mean wait for it?
[04:51] <daftykins> no, you're just being rude slating someones entire knowledge based on a single sentence
[04:51] <MiningMarsh> boxmein: `wait` command
[04:51] <daftykins> as much as it puzzled me too :D
[04:52] <DF3D2> daftykins, i wasnt slating his entire knowledge I was slating his knowledge on nvidia cards on linux
[04:52] <MiningMarsh> DF3D2: intel graphics drivers have been so much easier to mess around with in my experience.
[04:52] <DF3D2> sorry if I came off as rude im very frustrated atm with a $700 tv and $400 receiver and $1000 computer that arent working nicely
[04:52] <MiningMarsh> I have never had much luck with intel drivers
[04:52] <daftykins> mmm all that spending and Linux... :D
[04:53] <daftykins> really though i prefer to make HTPCs a dumb little client device, not strap what sounds like a file server to the TV
[04:53] <DF3D2> daftykins, well the TV does what it is sposed to, the receiver does what it is sposed to, the computer HW does what it is sposed to. The only issue seems to be linux im sorry to say since I have used all the same h/w in my windows machine and it "just works"
[04:53] <MiningMarsh> boxmein: apparently `wait $pid` also works
[04:53] <daftykins> i don't mind you saying that, i'm on Windows right now :)
[04:54] <DF3D2> daftykins, I used to have 5 or more computers doing seperate tasks but it ended up being more issues, other than this little snafu im having my linux box is the center of me and my wifes home media world
[04:54] <DF3D2> and has been fine for some time once I figured out the edid thing w/ the old tv
[04:54] <daftykins> ok
[04:55] <MiningMarsh> DF3D2: I have had more luck with hardware support with a bunch of obscure hardware on linux, actually. Only hardware windows ever got better was video
[04:56] <RepThis1> anyone use jitsi for ubuntu/ubuntu gnome, and have issues with it at all?
[04:56] <LegendThinker> I am running my website locally on wildfly on ubuntu and wanna access it from my phone on same wifi. Not able to access. I am using ip given in wifi settings. But not able to do so. Do i also have to change some settings
[04:57] <daftykins> the ubuntu host is a wireless device also?
[04:57] <LegendThinker> yeah
[04:57] <daftykins> so you're entering something like 192.168.x.x ?
[04:58] <LegendThinker> yup
[04:58] <DF3D2> am I wrong in thinking since restarting "xorg" fixes my issue it must be an issue w/ xorg or the nvidia drivers in general?
[04:58] <DF3D2> combined with the fact that I have none of these issues on windows that is
[04:59] <daftykins> LegendThinker: i don't know what wildfly is but it almost sounds like your web server on that system is listening on localhost and not on the network adapter - or you're firewall'd
[04:59] <MiningMarsh> DF3D2: the windows thing is irrelevant, but sounds like it is a driver bug somewhere, yeah
[04:59] <daftykins> some routers and wireless access points also 'isolate' wifi devices, so the other may not be contactable - you could try a ping
[04:59] <DF3D2> MiningMarsh, isnt it highly relevant?
[04:59] <DF3D2> it says the tv/avr arent the culprit
[04:59] <daftykins> ^+1
[05:00] <LegendThinker> thanks
[05:00] <DF3D2> if I had this issue on multiple OS
[05:00] <daftykins> i'd say X just prefers to get the info at runtime
[05:00] <LegendThinker> I am using the correct ip?
[05:00] <MiningMarsh> DF3D2: I guess that is true, but I usually just assume that the external devices work :P
[05:00] <MiningMarsh> but fair enough
[05:00] <DF3D2> daftykins, copying the edid straight from the tv and piping it in to Xorg seems to have worked!!!
[05:00] <DF3D2> :-)
[05:00] <daftykins> s'almost like i lurk in #kodi :O
[05:00] <daftykins> and here
[05:00] <daftykins> 8D
[05:00] <DF3D2> I am very happy guy now :-)
[05:00] <DF3D2> so basically, i was just pulling the AVR edid before and it wasnt enough to function properly
[05:01] <DF3D2> and for some reason when X would get restarted it would pull enough info to work
[05:01] <DF3D2> very curious indeed
[05:01] <DF3D2> on my old TV i'd get corrupt edid errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:01] <daftykins> LegendThinker: hmm so this wildfly thing is a java app server huh? yeah i'd bet it's misconfigured. throw this on a http://paste.ubuntu.com - "netstat -tuln"
[05:01] <DF3D2> this one didnt show anything, just didnt work
[05:02] <daftykins> mmm AVR probably garbled it
[05:02] <DF3D2> yet it doesnt on windows
[05:02] <DF3D2> so i dont understand
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[05:02] <LegendThinker> I will do so
[05:03] <DF3D2> daftykins, also im curious about your server/client ideas of media distribution. Doesnt that infact add more complexity in the end ?
[05:04] <daftykins> i don't believe so
[05:04] <daftykins> but then i'm sure we don't all use things the same way
[05:04] <DF3D2> daftykins, elaborate?
[05:05] <DF3D2> for instance I have one media room with my work computer, the linux "server" and the linux server is hooked up to the main wall mount tv, so you just play movies. Seems simple enough to me. if I had to add a "client" between that machine and the server wouldnt it be more complicated?
[05:06] <MiningMarsh> DF3D2: It can make media syncing easier. I have multiple places I like to watch movies and such, I use a server/client model as well.
[05:06] <DF3D2> I have plex installed
[05:06] <MiningMarsh> DF3D2: I usually just mount the server as a folder, easy enough.
[05:07] <MiningMarsh> Though recently I just switched to owncloud
[05:07] <daftykins> i don't use Plex as transcoding isn't needed
[05:24] <daftykins> zipace: can you stop that ^ ? :)
[05:26] <nicomachus> ?
[05:26] <daftykins> join/quit spam :>
[05:26] <nicomachus> ahhhh. /ignore -channel #ubuntu * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS :)
[05:27] <nicomachus> has it's pros and cons.
[05:27] <daftykins> nah too useful to keep for support, mmm
[05:28] <rueda> is ubuntu the most user friendly linux os yet?
[05:29] <moot> probably
[05:29] <nchambers> thats largely opinion based
[05:29] <rueda> what makes windows 7 the best os ever to exist on this earth
[05:29] <moot> If user friendly = noob friendly
[05:29] <nicomachus> rueda: take it back to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[05:30] <rueda> lol sorry
[05:31] <rueda> moot, not necesarily
[05:32] <rueda> windows is universal it has a user based linux is disseminated is more like a tool not a family member
[05:33] <nicomachus> ಠ_ಠ
[05:33] <rueda> I get stress from using debian, I'm going to try ubuntu to see if I still get headaches
[05:34] <rueda> I get it even if I know my way around
[05:34] <nicomachus> rueda: take it back to #ubuntu-offtopic. this is not a support discussion, and is not on-topic here.
[05:34] <nicomachus> stop.
[05:34] <rueda> sorry
[05:40] <mmiller113> could anyone heIp... I need a way to mount bind my previous distro to my new distro and be able to use my apps and user settings
[05:40] <daftykins> just mount your /home and install the packages
[05:40] <daftykins> the thought arises though, fix your install, don't try and make a frankenbuntu?
[05:41] <SorcerousFox> Frankenbuntu is life :3
[05:42] <mmiller113> lol... ok mount my home but couldn't I still --rbind  or --bindsync
[05:42] <mmiller113> to get my apps as well
[05:42] <daftykins> what's the point in trying?
[05:42] <daftykins> just fix your install
[05:43] <daftykins> what versions are each?
[05:43] <mmiller113> ok well my kernel panic and I dont have the net, so I need a quick fix
[05:44] <mmiller113> ubuntu 14 and 15
[05:44] <daftykins> that makes no sense to me, the new 15.xx install boots and works...?
[05:45] <mmiller113> yes 15 works but thats only 6gig, my 14 has about 300gig
[05:45] <mmiller113> I cant risk loosing data
[05:46] <daftykins> and don't own a backup drive? time to get one
[05:46] <mmiller113> ok can I apt-get to without internet and build source packages of apps already installed?
[05:47] <daftykins> why would you build packages that are already installed O_O
[05:47] <daftykins> there's been no mention of no internet access, doing anything related to mounts wouldn't solve that.
[05:47] <mmiller113> they are installed in my distro which has a kernel panic that I'm unable to get around....
[05:47] <daftykins> you tried booting an older kernel i take it?
[05:47] <mmiller113> I enabled the firewall and one  site stated thats the reason for the kernel panic
[05:48] <daftykins> via what command? sounds unlikely
[05:48] <mmiller113> yes
[05:48] <daftykins> chroot-ing that install and poking around sounds more viable
[05:48] <mmiller113> ok well I have no internet access
[05:48] <daftykins> in the 15.xx install?
[05:49] <mmiller113> just 250Mb on my phone which im using right now via tether
[05:49] <daftykins> haha the scrapes folk get themselves into
[05:49] <SubCool> maybe i have a spec of help, i need to uninstall programs i dont need on my liveusb drive.
[05:50] <mmiller113> thats not funny
[05:51] <daftykins> sure it does, you don't keep a backup
[05:51] <daftykins> er, is
[05:51] <SubCool> its out of room, i tried to uninstall gedit, but ... it says its not there
[05:51] <mmiller113> why cant my ubuntu 15 installation preserve my stuff on the new installation
[05:51] <Solarbab1> Ubuntu 14.04 Updated grub2 and wiped out my dual boot.  that was lame
[05:51] <SubCool> but itll take too much time to re=create the drive.
[05:51] <daftykins> SubCool: so this drive has persistence?
[05:51] <mmiller113> boring
[05:51] <daftykins> mmiller113: probably you didn't install and create a separate /home partition originally
[05:51] <SubCool> daftykins, yes.
[05:51] <SubCool> but its out of room.
[05:52] <daftykins> SubCool: ah ok, no idea - but you can confirm package statuses with "dpkg -l | grep <package>"
[05:52] <daftykins> persistence flash drives are no way to run an OS
[05:52] <SubCool> im not- im trying to fix something
[05:52] <SubCool> just takes too long to re-download all the compiler stuff i neeed.
[05:52] <daftykins> what?
[05:53] <daftykins> no part of fixing something to my mind includes installing gedit on a persistent USB
[05:53] <Solarbab1> daftykins: I'm tempted to run Ubuntu on a 240 gig usb 3.0 ssd..  that might do the trick maybe
[05:53] <SubCool> my zfs-
[05:53] <SubCool> daftykins, i need to edit a file, and it was apart of a guide, it was automatic,
[05:53] <daftykins> Solarbab1: if it were a proper install, sure - though don't create a swap file :>
[05:53] <nicomachus> shouldn't gedit be installed already? I haven't been paying attention.
[05:53] <daftykins> SubCool: CLI text editors would've made more sense then
[05:54] <Solarbab1> daftykins: I think I can safely avoid the swap.. 16 gigs of ram should done it
[05:54] <daftykins> Solarbab1: if it's not a laptop, sure
[05:54] <SubCool> yeah, i like vi - but it was automatic
[05:54] <Solarbab1> daftykins: You might even know the hardware..  Alienware Alpha
[05:54] <daftykins> nope
[05:54] <Solarbab1> It's kinda a laptop with out the screen
[05:55] <Solarbab1> daftykins: any reason why a laptop would be bad?
[05:56] <daftykins> most folk want to sleep or hibernate with them, which requires swap
[05:56] <Solarbab1> Oh Okay!
[05:56] <Solarbab1> gotchya
[05:56] <Solarbab1> no issue there
[05:57] <Solarbab1> I love dual boot but man do i get paranoid when theres a update waiting for grub2
[05:57] <Solarbab1> this time it wiped me out so I'm reminded once again dual boot can be broken so easily.
[05:58] <Solarbab1> I'll be sure to run clonezilla and image the entire system this time
[05:58] <MiningMarsh> daftykins: sleep doesn't require swap
[05:58] <MiningMarsh> just hibernate
[05:58] <daftykins> makes more sense to install to separate disks then use a system boot menu :)
[05:59] <daftykins> MiningMarsh: i know, just bad wording as it's very late my time and i get lazy - don't try and preach to the choir.
[05:59] <SubCool> can i list the install porgrams by size?
[05:59] <daftykins> pass
[06:00] <daftykins> i'd say kernels are big but you can't update those on persistent images from what i understand
[06:02] <SubCool> sorry, it just such a hassle to restart that drive. it took forever to dl everything.
[06:02] <SubCool> ill get on it- i suppose i need a clean install after everything ive done to it trying to fix this damn thing
[06:03] <daftykins> i always hear ZFS is better supported on other distros
[06:04] <Solarbab1> LAS was just saying this is the Year ZFS comes to Linux
[06:04] <MiningMarsh> I am putting all my eggs into the btrfs basket over zfs
[06:05] <Solarbab1> I put all my eggs in the clonezilla basket
[06:05] <Solarbab1> manual backups :)
[06:50] <Dipu> help
[07:07] <mJImmer> How do I start orca in the background ?
[07:07] <mJImmer> It is not starting in a sddm theme that I am making
[07:08] <mJImmer> Like I set the gesttings  after login and works fine but not a DM
[07:09] <bauer> Can't access mysql . "~$ mysql" ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2 "No such file or directory")
[07:11] <yejaf> #kubuntu
[07:13] <lostnomad> @pondering
[07:30] <e66> Hello
[07:30] <asanyal> Hello
[07:32] <Any_where> Hello
[07:32] <Any_where> Any questions?
[07:33] <daftykins> Any_where: can you ask some? yes
[07:37] <biobrew> I have a directory in /var/www, but when I try open http://localhost I get a "Unable to connect" display page; "Ice Weasel can't establish a conenction at localhost:8080" to be precise. Am I missing an install?
[07:37] <somsip> biobrew: why 8080?
[07:38] <daftykins> yeah why non-standard port? :)
[07:38] <biobrew> somsip: That's the standard port I think, I directed "http://localhost" as my input, auto goes to port 8080
[07:39] <somsip> biobrew: I think you should start at the beginning. What are you trying to do? What service are you running?
[07:39] <biobrew> somsip: Damn Vulnerable Web Application DVWA
[07:39] <biobrew> in Kali 2.0
[07:39] <somsip> biobrew: neither of which are supported here
[07:39] <somsip> !kali | biobrew
[07:40] <biobrew> Alright, no problemo. Will go to Kali IRC
[07:40] <Any_where> daftykins What about something?
[07:41] <daftykins> Any_where: you're not making any sense, if YOU have a support question to ask... ask it, otherwise cya.
[07:43] <Any_where> daftykins I`m not thanks
[07:47] <cluelessperson> https://youtu.be/WRWrmT0ovPE
[07:47] <cluelessperson> ;_;
[07:47] <daftykins> what's this link of?
[07:50] <kobe_la> where is definition of the gnome environment variables?
[07:50] <cluelessperson> daftykins, Some stupid video from h3h3 about a chick accidentally getting Ubuntu instead of Windows, so she doesn't go to college, and a small news station picked it up.
[07:50] <daftykins> ah yes that old one - don't post non-support things in here in future, cluelessperson
[07:51] <biobrew> somsip: Fixed it, accidently deleted the html/ dir in /var/www. Recreated the dir, mv the content to html/ and bam it works. Silly mistake.
[07:52] <daftykins> heh
[07:53] <kobe_la> in ubuntu 15.04,there is no .gnomerc in $HOME
[07:53] <daftykins> kobe_la: oh well, 15.04 is dead at the end of the month
[07:56] <kobe_la> what ?
[07:56] <kobe_la> why?
[07:57] <Myrtti> because it's non-LTS
[07:57] <daftykins> it goes EOL.
[07:57] <daftykins> !eol
[07:57] <kobe_la> ok.But where is the definition of "UPSTART_SESSION"
[07:58] <becker_11> Just an FYI but Crunchbang is no longer being developed nor supported.
[07:59] <daftykins> becker_11: it's not supported in here anyway
[07:59] <thagabe> Hello I just installed 16.04 and was wondering why bash completion is only working for non-sudo user as well as in very  limited cases
[07:59] <daftykins> 15.04 doesn't use upstart
[07:59] <becker_11> daftykins: it's still mentioned in the bot message which is why I brought it up. You might like to remove it
[07:59] <daftykins> thagabe: #ubuntu+1 for unreleased versions
[08:00] <thagabe> daftykins: thank you
[08:00] <daftykins> becker_11: what message? and i have no control over that so nope
[08:01] <becker_11> daftykins: somsip just sent one to biobrew re Kali linux. it appeared in there.
[08:01] <becker_11> daftykins: I only mentioned it for accuracy. I like to keep things up to date
[08:02] <daftykins> eh, you'd be surprised the number of people that come in here with old outdated installs on - so it's still relevant to name
[08:02] <daftykins> heh, much unlike our users then ;)
[08:04] <becker_11> So which year is the next LTS release due?
[08:05] <bazhang> 4/16
[08:05] <bazhang> april this year
[08:05] <becker_11> Thanks bazhang
[08:05] <bazhang> discussion in #ubuntu+1
[08:05] <bazhang> np
[08:14] <Any_where> I don`t like the latest release
[08:42] <Diah> Hai
[08:46] <Whoppie> Hi! Short question regarding 14.04 and Dell Poweredge/Dell OMSA. I tried to install the package srvadmin-cm from dells repo but get "dpkg: error processing package srvadmin-cm (--configure):". My question is: how do I start investigating packages that cant be installed?
[08:47] <Whoppie> Note: I am not very good at linux... :(
[08:55] <fateme> hi there, how can i move space from /home to / ?
[09:01] <akik> Whoppie: you probably didn't paste the whole error message. put it into pastebin.com
[09:05] <Whoppie> akik: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14467967/
[09:06] <daftykins> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[09:08] <daftykins> Whoppie: i think you should be asking Dell though :)
[09:08] <Whoppie> daftykins: I have :) Thought I'd just ask here as well :P
[09:09] <daftykins> Whoppie: well, a repo provided by them isn't ubuntu's problem essentially.
[09:10] <Whoppie> daftykins: True, but I need to start looking somewhere, right? And since the package can't install I thought that investigating dpkg would be a good start. So thats basically the reason why I'm asking here as well.
[09:11] <Whoppie> daftykins: Dell can be quite slow in their responses...
[09:11] <daftykins> yes, i know this
[09:11] <daftykins> i don't think you're going to get much out of that failure - did you run what i said yet?
[09:13] <Whoppie> daftykins: Sorry, can't see that your have written anything about running something?
[09:13] <daftykins> scroll up
[09:13] <Whoppie> ah
[09:14] <Whoppie> daftykins: see it now
[09:15] <Whoppie> daftykins: dpkg: error: conflicting actions -e (--control) and -r (--remove)
[09:15] <daftykins> well my command had neither XD
[09:15] <Whoppie> exactly. sure its reconfigure and not configure?
[09:16] <daftykins> 100%
[09:16] <daftykins> really should just have been "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a"
[09:16] <akik> Whoppie: this might show where it's going wrong "sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install srvadmin-cm"
[09:18] <Whoppie> akik: nothing more than before on screen, does that command output anything to a logfile maybe?
[09:19] <Whoppie> daftykins: uh, my bad. I wrote sudo dkpg -reconfigure -a... with a space :) Now I ended up with a pink window asking me about system wide readable directories.
[09:20] <daftykins> had a feeling it was a fail :P
[09:20] <Whoppie> hahahaha
[09:20] <daftykins> defaults for everything should be ok for the most part
[09:20] <Whoppie> cant even c/p correctly. damn, better go home to bed again.
[09:20] <akik> Whoppie: the logs are under /var/log/apt but not sure if there's anything more specific
[09:21] <daftykins> i reckon it's a case of mismatched system
[09:21] <daftykins> the packages are the wrong trousers, Gromit
[09:24] <krcevina> strace -c summary for the same dd command reports much lower system time (total seconds) versus sys time reported by time command for the same dd command. Are these two system time definitions differ?
[09:25] <Whoppie> akik: nothing more in the term.log :(
[09:25] <HappyBunny> whats uppp
[09:26] <Whoppie> daftykins: I think I agree with you... strange thing is that the srvadmin-all (which consists of several other packages) are correctly installed and working properly.
[09:26] <azizLIGHT> hwo do i tell which teaviewer deb file i installed
[09:26] <azizLIGHT> and do i need to uninstall it, before installing the new version?
[09:26] <cfhowlett> azizLIGHT, dpkg -l | grep teamviewer
[09:27] <Whoppie> btw, daftykins , the reconfigure ended with /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: initramfs-tools is broken or not fully installed
[09:28] <nec1> Hi !
[09:28] <nec1> need help boot iso witch grub ....
[09:28] <nec1> "menuentry "WiFi-Slax Live" {
[09:28] <nec1> insmod crypto
[09:28] <nec1> insmod cryptodisk
[09:28] <nec1> insmod luks
[09:28] <nec1> cryptomount (sda0,5)
[09:29] <cfhowlett> !paste | nec1, pastebinit is your friend
[09:29] <azizLIGHT> cfhowlett: ok i saw the version in dpkg, and i know the deb file i used for this. my question: when i click the old deb file, ubuntu software center still says "install" not uninstall..
[09:30] <azizLIGHT> and how do i upgrade it now
[09:30] <azizLIGHT> i have the new deb file
[09:30] <azizLIGHT> just install that in ubuntu software center? and ignore old version?
[09:30] <azizLIGHT> what do i do
[09:30] <nec1> can you help me ? I use encrypt FS
[09:30] <cfhowlett> azizLIGHT, best one is the version in ubuntu repos
[09:31] <azizLIGHT> oh its the same version as the one i have a deb for
[09:31] <azizLIGHT> so did i use a deb or the repo...
[09:31] <cfhowlett> azizLIGHT, "best" = ready to go with ubuntu.  you can force a new install with dpkg but shouldno't
[09:31] <cfhowlett> azizLIGHT, how did you install the first time?
[09:31] <azizLIGHT> im confused, i dont remember if i used a deb or ubuntu software center
[09:31] <azizLIGHT> but i have debs downloaded too
[09:31] <cfhowlett> azizLIGHT, yeah you might want to stop doing .debs ...
[09:31] <azizLIGHT> and the version installed is the same one as the repo one, and the deb file i have
[09:32] <azizLIGHT> as in , same version
[09:32] <cfhowlett> azizLIGHT then you are finished!  nothing to change
[09:32] <azizLIGHT> but the newest deb is a greater version than the repo
[09:32] <azizLIGHT> and i wanna upgrade
[09:32] <nec1> Hi, Spanish ??
[09:32] <cfhowlett> !lastest | azizLIGHT
[09:32] <cfhowlett> !es | nec1
[09:34] <azizLIGHT> !latest
[09:37] <nec1> Hi, I need boot ".ISO"witch grub, but my partition is encrytp
[09:45] <root1124> how to install vlc in linux ?
[09:45] <cfhowlett> root1124, sudo apt intall vlc
[09:45] <cfhowlett> or with the ubuntu software center
[09:45] <root1124> thanks cfhowlett :)
[09:45] <cfhowlett> happy2help! root1124
[09:46] <versedi> Hi all, I'm having troubles with saving output from php script that's run through ssh
[09:46] <versedi> Only the few first lines are saved, then the connection is closed.
[09:51] <demon> ciao
[10:01] <bauer_> problem with mysql -->> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14468141/
[10:02] <baizon> bauer_: is mysql running?
[10:05] <daftykins> Whoppie: the package you mention sounds like a metapackage, unless you mean all the other components are ok - anywho, may be worth a "sudo apt-get install --reinstall initramfs-tools"
[10:14] <Whoppie> daftykins: I know too little about linux... I checked the contents of the package srvadmin-cm and I can see that the contents are at least installed on the machine in the correct directories. I cant see any knd of configuration file or anything else though.
[10:14] <Whoppie> daftykins: metapackage? google is my friend :) I also ran apt-get install and that initramfs-tools was reinstalled
[10:16] <daftykins> Whoppie: "dpkg -L <package>" will list the files the package contains for ease of use
[10:16] <daftykins> i really think you're up a creek without a paddle on this one though
[10:17] <Whoppie> daftykins: You mean that this i something I cant solve by myself (I'm a swede, had to read that last line of yours twice to understand :)
[10:19] <daftykins> heh
[10:19] <daftykins> i'm sure Dell will be wonderful for support ^_^
[10:20] <Whoppie> thanks... :)
[10:23] <Whoppie> daftykins: Just out of curiousity, dpkg -L lists the package contents, but what about the "configuration" that dpkg rants about ? is that somehow "built-in" the packagefile itself?
[10:23] <daftykins> i'm not too hot on packaging myself, i'd dig more into it but that would involve adding Dell's repo, which would be going too far for comfort for me
[10:24] <daftykins> it must have a script in it that's failing to run, then telling dpkg that it failed since it gets status code '1'
[10:25] <bauer_> baizon. No mariadb was installed, now mysql is installed and up running, thx for simple quesition who solved th prob :o)
[10:26] <ertyui> hi tehre
[10:26] <daftykins> hello
[10:26] <bauer_> baizon,
[10:26] <ertyui> one of my service is stopped on my ubuntu server suddently
[10:26] <ertyui> on friday
[10:26] <ertyui> and restart suddently today
[10:26] <cfhowlett> !server | ertyui
[10:27] <ertyui> thx
[10:27] <daftykins> ertyui: what's the question
[10:27] <Whoppie> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14468262/
[10:28] <daftykins> Whoppie: how did you add the repo? is there a guide page on Dell's site that describes it?
[10:28] <ertyui> how to identify how that happens ?
[10:29] <kvj> Non-system disk or disk error
[10:29] <kvj> Im running my system on live usb
[10:29] <daftykins> kvj: phrase an actual question
[10:29] <daftykins> ertyui: as my first guess at a letter in the name of the afflicted service, i'm choosing 'e'
[10:30] <kvj> Im getting error on starting my system
[10:31] <ertyui> i don't get what do you mean
[10:31] <daftykins> so booting a live session, what version? with persistence or no?
[10:31] <daftykins> ertyui: which service...
[10:31] <ertyui> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS \n \l
[10:31] <ertyui> service called assp
[10:32] <kvj> Something is stopping my OS from starting so i boot from live usb now
[10:38] <daftykins> ertyui: that is heavily out of date.
[10:38] <Whoppie> daftykins: there's a guide on dells page. http://linux.dell.com/repo/community/ubuntu/
[10:39] <daftykins> Whoppie: can you show me what you added to sources.list ?
[10:40] <daftykins> Whoppie: this will help: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit && pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[10:41] <cfhowlett> daftykins, or | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:42] <daftykins> i knows it ;)
[10:47] <kvj> When i start my system i get error ---> Non system disk or disk-error , replace and strike any key when ready
[10:48] <moods> what would cause mysqld to consume lots of memory?
[10:48] <kvj> I dont get any menu
[10:49] <kvj> I run ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[10:49] <daftykins> that's out of date
[10:49] <daftykins> moods: lots of worker processes, default config poor... plenty of guides online
[10:49] <cfhowlett> daftykins, hdd failure?  hd not selected as a boot device?
[10:50] <daftykins> cfhowlett: why tell me :D
[10:50] <kvj> Hey cfhowlett
[10:50] <cfhowlett> daftykins, .... derp. right.
[10:50] <daftykins> kvj: are you typing from the live session right now?
[10:50] <kvj> Yes daftykins
[10:50] <daftykins> kvj: sudo apt update && sudo apt install pastebinit && dmesg | pastebinit
[10:51] <daftykins> kvj: then "sudo apt install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[10:51] <kvj> daftykins: i run updated system but thats not starting now thats why im running live usb
[10:51] <kvj> Tell me the way to check my disk
[10:52] <daftykins> i already did
[10:52] <kvj> Updating live usb will solve my problem ?
[10:53] <daftykins> kvj: look at all the commands i said to run!
[10:53] <daftykins> do it, do it naaaaao
[10:53] <cfhowlett> kvj, helps to read ALL the commands sent your way
[10:53] <kvj> Okay
[10:54] <lucido> Hi can someone using the default ubuntu desktop with an nvidia card tell me their memory usage
[10:54] <lucido> I mean video ram usage using nvidia-smi
[10:54] <lucido> in cuda tools
[10:54] <kvj> I was being told about fsck /dev/sda1 before but i wasnt running live usb at that time so didnt proceed further
[10:54] <daftykins> kvj: just run the above two and share the resulting two links :)
[10:57] <kvj> I run first command and its updating
[10:58] <daftykins> only package lists, so it should be done in short order unless you're from the 80s and on 56k dialup :)
[11:00] <kvj> Im from 90s :p
[11:00] <kvj> First command is over
[11:00] <daftykins> it should've created a URL
[11:00] <kvj> Pastbinit is already newest version
[11:00] <kvj> 0 upgrade
[11:01] <kvj> 0 newly installed
[11:01] <kvj> 0 to remove
[11:01] <daftykins> don't paste here
[11:01] <kvj> Ok
[11:01] <BradenBraden> hey guys, hope you can help. I have just installed Ubuntu 15.04 on my laptop along side windows 10. I dont have wifi, says it is hard-blocked. I have tried rfkill unblock all and I have put "options asus_nb_wmi=4" (also tried 0 and 1) into a config file in modprobe.d. Tried sleeping the pc and waking it up but it just sits on a black screen. What should I do?
[11:01] <kvj> I run second command now ?
[11:01] <daftykins> kvj: retry "dmesg | pastebinit"
[11:03] <kvj> I dont run run smartmontools command now ?
[11:04] <kvj> After dmesg | pastebinit ?
[11:04] <BradenBraden> in windows the wifi works fine. in ubuntu, it says "airplane mode" is disabled in the wifi settings screen but the light is on for airplane mode enabled.
[11:04] <adminpidar> Hey
[11:04] <adminpidar> Hi
[11:04] <daftykins> kvj: i ask you to do what i want you to do.
[11:04] <adminpidar> How to create user without root?
[11:05] <daftykins> you mean a user that can't use sudo?
[11:05] <cfhowlett> adminpidar, if you are not root, you can not create users
[11:05] <adminpidar> sorry.I mean 'How to create user by root, but user not have root'
[11:06] <BradenBraden> there is no wifi switch in the BIOS. I have SecureBoot turned off.
[11:06] <kvj> daftykins: a link came of paste ubuntu
[11:06] <daftykins> kvj: yes put that here! like i was expecting ages ago! :)
[11:06] <kvj> Sorry am slow
[11:07] <Whoppie> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14468384/. The install-command you wrote a few lines up, what was that supposed to do? automatically paste it to pastebin? I didnt get an URL back...
[11:08] <daftykins> Whoppie: maybe you're in an office where it's blocked or something, who knows. ok - good that looks fine, i just wanted to check you put in the correct release - also run "cat /etc/issue" ?
[11:09] <Whoppie> daftykins: nah, I ran pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list and i got an URL now :) But the dell repo was not added to that list, it was added to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linux-something.
[11:09] <cfhowlett> Whoppie, non-ubuntu repos go to sources.list.d by default
[11:09] <Whoppie> ahaaaa
[11:09] <Whoppie> good to know, cfhowlett.
[11:10] <daftykins> that's fine, i just didn't read the Dell page in enough detail
[11:10] <daftykins> i think it truly is going to be a Dell problem
[11:10] <Whoppie> daftykins: cat /etc/issue: Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \n \l
[11:10] <Whoppie> Yes, I agree.
[11:10] <daftykins> yep, that's all we can do here then, i'm afraid!
[11:10] <Whoppie> I cant see a scriptfile which worries me a little
[11:10] <daftykins> likely something has changed that their packages don't support
[11:11] <daftykins> script file?
[11:11] <dcunit3d> so uhh, a few questions.  I'm running linux mint.  trying to install weechat, with the perl plugins.  but the cmake can't find the perl shared object from ubuntu's /usr/lib/perl/** folder.  do i need to install package or something for that?
[11:11] <Whoppie> Well
[11:11] <daftykins> !mint | dcunit3d
[11:11] <Whoppie> I can see the contents of the package, but no scriptfile.
[11:11] <cfhowlett> dcunit3d, sorry.  wrong channel
[11:11] <lahaugen87> On my laptop there is a shortkey "Fn + f11" that turn WiFi on and off, without touching any airplane mode
[11:11] <kvj> daftykins: paste.ubuntu.com/14468387
[11:11] <dcunit3d> and the other question is .. i tried `sudo apt-get remove perl` and it removed a lot of stuff, then updated the initramfs.
[11:12] <lahaugen87> Often have to press it when dualbooting somehow
[11:12] <cfhowlett> dcunit3d, and we still do not support mint.  go to mint channels for mint support.  mint is not ubuntu.
[11:12] <dcunit3d> then i reinstalled with `sudo apt-get install perl perl-modules init-system-helpers`
[11:12] <dcunit3d> how hosted am i?
[11:12] <dcunit3d> how hosed?
[11:12] <daftykins> kvj: then "sudo apt install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[11:13] <daftykins> dcunit3d: stop typing more, you're in the wrong place
[11:13] <dcunit3d> kk, sorry.  i know it's not the same thing.
[11:13] <moods> daftykins: how can I check if one of those are causing the issue?
[11:16] <daftykins> moods: sorry i can't even find your original question or what i said last
[11:16] <daftykins> how long ago was it?
[11:16] <maxvi> hi! I use ubuntu 15.10 and installed cinnamon de, how can I change window border and controls? some package?
[11:17] <kvj> daftykins: paste.ubuntu.com/14468420
[11:17] <daftykins> kvj: you typed my command wrong
[11:17] <kvj> ?
[11:17] <maxvi> seems like that's not correct answer because I know how to change it ... but where I can find GTK6 themes for ubuntu (cinnamon DE)
[11:18] <daftykins> kvj: try again... sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit
[11:21] <kvj> daftykins: Paste.ubuntu.com/14468434
[11:21] <dcunit3d> can i ask debian related questions? is there a way to get `apt-get install` to build instead of downloading binaries?  i've seen the `apt-get sources --compile` but i haven't used it
[11:21] <k1l> dcunit3d: best is to ask #debian for debian issues
[11:21] <daftykins> dcunit3d: no
[11:22] <kvj> daftykins: whats next ?
[11:22] <daftykins> kvj: no you typed it wrong again
[11:22] <daftykins> can't you see the error?
[11:22] <cfhowlett> kvj, you are doing it wrong.  open your terminal.  repeat this.      sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
[11:23] <kvj> No i typed  sudo smartctl -a/dev/sda
[11:23] <cfhowlett> kvj, nope
[11:23] <cfhowlett> copy /paste  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14468449/
[11:23] <daftykins> kvj: what makes you think taking what i say and changing it will result in something good? :)
[11:24] <kvj> I typed sudo smartctl -a/dev/sda | pastebinit
[11:24] <geirha> needs a space after -a
[11:24] <daftykins> yes it's wrong
[11:24] <daftykins> oy vey.
[11:24] <kvj> ?
[11:24] <geirha> -a /dev/sda != -a/dev/sda
[11:24] <cfhowlett> kvj, open http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14468449/               copy and paste
[11:24] <kvj> Ok cfhowlett
[11:26] <ccapndave> Hi Ubuntu.  I am trying to install Apache 2.4.9 (or 2.4.10), but Ubuntu 14.04 wants to install 2.4.7.  Is there a way to tell apt to use a later version?
[11:26] <cfhowlett> !latest | ccapndave
[11:26] <daftykins> !info apache2 trusty
[11:26] <ccapndave> Ok
[11:26] <daftykins> that's all you're gonna get.
[11:26] <jatt> install from source
[11:26] <ccapndave> So how, practically, can I tell apt to use a different list?
[11:26] <cfhowlett> assuming you have  very good reason to force
[11:27] <ccapndave> I really want to avoid building from source if possible
[11:27] <daftykins> wise decision
[11:27] <jatt> maybe there is a backport
[11:27] <daftykins> do you really *need* newer?
[11:27] <ccapndave> I do unforuntately
[11:27] <ccapndave> Its just for a development VM so a hack is fine
[11:27] <daftykins> look for a PPA then
[11:27] <k1l> ccapndave: when you add another repo for 14.04 that includes another version.  like a PPA. but do you need that version?
[11:27] <jatt> or install it in a docker container
[11:28] <ccapndave> How could I find a PPA for that version of Apache?
[11:28] <ccapndave> I am very new to this stuff :)
[11:28] <cfhowlett> ccapndave, 14.04?  perhaps sudo apt full-ugprade to current version will fix:   current is 14.04.3
[11:28] <ccapndave> I also want to avoid docker
[11:28] <kvj> daftykins: paste.ubuntu.com/14468465
[11:29] <daftykins> kvj: err, "sudo parted -l | pastebinit" ?
[11:29] <ccapndave> cfhowlett: Is there a way to check before I do an upgrade?
[11:29] <jatt> maybe you can try
[11:29] <jatt> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=apache2
[11:29] <emanon> Anybody up
[11:29] <kvj> I did bot type that parted command daftykins
[11:29] <cfhowlett> ccapndave, of course: apt-get -s dist-upgrade
[11:29] <daftykins> ccapndave: essentially you have to find one yourself
[11:29] <emanon> I see
[11:29] <kvj> daftykins:
[11:29] <daftykins> kvj: what?
[11:29] <kvj>  Not*
[11:29] <daftykins> well why not?
[11:30] <kvj> Now i type that parted command ?
[11:30] <daftykins> kvj: i didn't send you it to admire the sequence of characters
[11:30] <daftykins> :)
[11:30] <ccapndave> cfhowlett: sudo apt-get -s dist-upgrade | grep apache returns nothing, so I guess it wouldn't update it
[11:30] <daftykins> run it please.
[11:30] <ccapndave> daftykins: But find one what?
[11:30] <daftykins> ccapndave: PPA!
[11:30] <cfhowlett> ccapndave, yep
[11:30] <daftykins> !ppa > ccapndave
[11:30] <ccapndave> Which is what, exactly?
[11:31] <daftykins> see your PM from our friendly bot
[11:31] <ccapndave> Reading it now :)
[11:32] <emanon> Got a bit of trouble here with my bluetooth speaker working on XUbuntu 14.04.3
[11:32] <ccapndave> Yay!
[11:32] <ccapndave> This is what I want
[11:32] <emanon> amd64bit
[11:32] <emanon> with the pulseaudio-bluetooth-module
[11:32] <kvj> What is I here ?
[11:32] <kvj> daftykins:
[11:33] <emanon> Last error message I got on syslog was this:
[11:33] <emanon> pulseaudio[2175]: [pulseaudio] bluetooth-util.c: org.bluez.Headset.GetProperties() failed: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "org.bluez.Headset" doesn't exist
[11:33] <daftykins> kvj: i gave you a command to run - have you run it yet?
[11:33] <emanon> Any help is appreaciated
[11:33] <ccapndave> daftykins: So these are like little packages for apt which override the default ones?
[11:33] <daftykins> ccapndave: package repositories
[11:33] <cfhowlett> ccapndave, you might also want to ask #ubuntu-server
[11:33] <kvj> daftykins: i got reply  parted invalid option -- 'I'
[11:33] <daftykins> kvj: oh no, it is a lower "L"
[11:34] <ccapndave> daftykins: That was unbelievably easy.  Thanks very much :)
[11:35] <kvj> daftykins: paste.ubuntu.com/14468496
[11:35] <daftykins> kvj: is this a laptop or a desktop?
[11:35] <kvj> Laptop
[11:35] <emanon> hmm, looks like I gotta wait
[11:36] <cfhowlett> !patience | emanon,
[11:36] <daftykins> kvj: the disk has disappeared, check it's connected properly.
[11:36] <kvj> daftykins: everything is connected
[11:36] <kvj> I did not remove anything
[11:37] <daftykins> kvj: right, but the drive has *disappeared* - the system cannot see it
[11:37] <daftykins> kvj: either it has become loose, or it is dead
[11:37] <kvj> What can be done now ?
[11:37] <daftykins> power off and back on
[11:37] <daftykins> well, ideally take it to a hardware shop
[11:37] <kvj> I get same error Non system disk or disk-error , replace and strike any key when ready
[11:38] <cfhowlett> kvj, that would be consistent with failed HDD theory
[11:38] <daftykins> yes but i want you to power off, give it a few minutes, then boot up the live USB again
[11:38] <daftykins> but i'm pretty sure that hard disk is an ex-parrot
[11:38] <kvj> daftykins: When i scan my memory sometimes it runs but fails to load child process like taskbar
[11:39] <daftykins> kvj: none of this matters, your system is faulty
[11:39] <daftykins> take it to a computer shop
[11:39] <kvj> daftykins you broke my heart :(
[11:39] <daftykins> it wasn't me.
[11:40] <cfhowlett> they do break kvj.  that's why you regularly backup.  right?
[11:40] <kvj> Is it hard disk or ram that is faulty ?
[11:40] <emanon> ubottu: Been googling for a while now, but thanks
[11:40] <kvj> cfhowlett: i loaded nothing on my system since i got to know its faulty :(
[11:41] <daftykins> kvj: take it to a shop. it must be removed, they can run memtest after that
[11:41] <emanon> or wait that was cfhowlett
[11:41] <cfhowlett> kvj, well, then.  hit the hardwares shop and see what's what
[11:41] <kvj> daftykins: is it RAM or hdd which is faulty ?
[11:42] <cfhowlett> you system can not find the HARD DRIVE
[11:42] <daftykins> kvj: you can run memtest yourself.
[11:42] <daftykins> *maybe* both.
[11:43] <kvj> I will ask later about memtest
[11:43] <emanon> I will back in a bit, might as well test out something
[11:43] <kvj> Thanks for help daftykins cfhowlett
[11:43] <daftykins> kvj: yes, data recovery is your first job :)
[11:43] <cfhowlett> kvj, happy2help!
[11:45] <kvj> :)
[11:45] <cfhowlett> !cookie | daftykins
[11:45] <daftykins> 8D
[11:45] <daftykins> cfhowlett: you spoil me
[11:48] <Guest78826> !fr
[11:48] <blackflow> Hello. Which Python3 (I need x in 3.x) version is in Ubuntu 14.10 or where can I look that up?
[11:49] <anes> i have problem of whitespace in minidom xml parsing due to whitespace ... help need
[11:49] <cfhowlett> blackflow, 14.10 is dead and no longer supported
[11:49] <anes> any body please advise
[11:49] <blackflow> cfhowlett: uhh... sorry, I mean 14.04 (the last LTS)
[11:49] <daftykins> anes: there are perl/other scripts available online for removing whitespace if that's what you need
[11:49] <anes> i am using python
[11:49] <cfhowlett> blackflow, dpkl -l | grep python
[11:50] <blackflow> cfhowlett: I don't have a 14.04 installed that's why I'm asking :)
[11:50] <daftykins> !info python3 trusty
[11:50] <daftykins> blackflow: that what you want? ^
[11:50] <blackflow> daftykins: yup, thanks. Python 3.4
[11:50] <cfhowlett> blackflow, here's what mine says:  daftykins> kvj: i didn't send you it to admire the sequence of characters
[11:50] <cfhowlett> doh!
[11:50] <daftykins> :D
[11:51] <cfhowlett> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14468557/
[11:51] <cfhowlett> that was ... unexpected daftykins
[11:52] <blackflow> I can msg the bot and query it about such versions in private, right?
[11:52] <anes> i use toprettyxml() i replace that with toxml()  but no solution :(
[11:52] <cfhowlett> blackflow, yes.  /msg ubottu !bottrigger
[11:52] <blackflow> much obliged.
[11:58] <Mistrz> halo
[11:58] <cfhowlett> mistrz by the rings!
[12:03] <rakshithskumar88> hi there, I am trying out a configuration I am not able to figure out how. Is there a way to stop the launcher from displaying running apps?
[12:05] <rakshithskumar88> please help i want the unity launcher not to display the currently running apps. Is there a way?
[12:06] <Abe_> Hi
[12:07] <LegendThinker> hey how to remotely access website hosted locally on ubuntu from mobile on sme LAN
[12:08] <daftykins> rakshithskumar88: what possible situation does it matter for?
[12:08] <Abe_> rakshithskumar88: I don't know, you'd have to look in the system settings. sorry i don't use unity :(
[12:09] <indiana-jane> #ubuntu.fr
[12:10] <daftykins> "/join #ubuntu-fr"
[12:10] <ubuntumaster> !fr
[12:10] <indiana-jane> thx
[12:10] <rakshithskumar88> daftykins: basically i have installed lot of apps on my system, Hence i have used drawers app to categorize them in a nice manner. But when i open some app it again comes back on the laucher making it cuddled again.
[12:10] <EriC^^> LegendThinker: you can use a ssh app for your smart phone
[12:10] <Abe_> rakshithskumar88: did you try the unity tweak tool?
[12:11] <rakshithskumar88> Abe: yes i did and also ccsm
[12:11] <daftykins> i don't really know how the unity launcher works, but assuming it has to create a .desktop file to make an icon exist, what if you were to create a blank file and chown it to root so it can't be overridden?
[12:12] <Abe_> :( hmm then idk
[12:12] <EriC^^> rakshithskumar88: you can right click on the app and say unlock from launcher
[12:13] <rakshithskumar88> daftykins the .desktop only applies to the shortcut not for running apps.
[12:13] <EriC^^> rakshithskumar88: you want the app to not show up in the launcher even while it's running?
[12:13] <daftykins> understood
[12:14] <rakshithskumar88> Eric: unlocking from launcher only removes the app once I have closed it.
[12:14] <rakshithskumar88> Eric: yes
[12:14] <EriC^^> rakshithskumar88: try dconf and blacklist the app maybe
[12:15] <rakshithskumar88> Eric: how can i do that, will it not block me from using that app whole together?
[12:15] <EriC^^> i dont think so, it'll just blacklist it from the launcher i guess
[12:15] <lerner> is there any generic command to start any web browser that doesnt list that onption in the --help in windowed mode, or with a specific width/height (800x600)?
[12:16] <rakshithskumar88> Eric: could you please provide me the steps?
[12:16] <EriC^^> rakshithskumar88: dconf-editor > com > canonical > unity > launcher
[12:17] <EriC^^> i just checked gsettings list-recursively though i dont know if there's a blacklist for the launcher
[12:17] <EriC^^> seems there's just a favorites
[12:17] <rakshithskumar88> Eric: thanks for the help and I will try and get back.
[12:18] <ejay> Hi all. Is there any way to install i386 dev libs and keep 64bit libs? I want to compile wine so I need couple of 32bit libs but, for example, when trying to install dbus:i386 apt-get want to remove dbus package and I want to avoid that. Any ideas?
[12:18] <Abe_> rakshithskumar88: what's with cairo dock?
[12:19] <rakshithskumar88> Abe: I have not used it, I will try that too. Thanks.
[12:19] <azizLIGHT> can anyone on 14.04 provide me these 2 files: /usr/share/software-center/ui/gtk3/css/softwarecenter.css and then /usr/share/software-center/ui/gtk3/art/stipple.png
[12:19] <azizLIGHT> assuming you didnt mess with them
[12:19] <daftykins> azizLIGHT: extract the originating packages.
[12:19] <azizLIGHT> where from
[12:19] <daftykins> the package, heh
[12:20] <azizLIGHT> heh
[12:22] <tomreyn> $ dpkg -S /usr/share/software-center/ui/gtk3/css/softwarecenter.css /usr/share/software-center/ui/gtk3/art/stipple.png
[12:22] <tomreyn> software-center: /usr/share/software-center/ui/gtk3/css/softwarecenter.css
[12:22] <tomreyn> software-center: /usr/share/software-center/ui/gtk3/art/stipple.png
[12:22] <Abe_> azizLIGHT: http://www.xup.in/dl,33083625/stipple.png/
[12:23] <tomreyn> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/all/software-center/download
[12:23] <tomreyn> ^ azizLIGHT
[12:24] <Abe_> http://www.xup.in/dl,15263002/softwarecenter.css/
[12:24] <azizLIGHT> ah
[12:24] <azizLIGHT> thanks
[12:24] <azizLIGHT> parreciate it
[12:24] <azizLIGHT> *appreciate it
[12:24] <azizLIGHT> bad dyslexia typo there
[12:24] <Abe_> your welcome
[12:26] <tomreyn> azizLIGHT: out of interest, why are you asking for them? (feel free not to discuss it in case ti feels emarassing)
[12:26] <daftykins> i'd bet someone didn't make backups *cough*
[12:26] <azizLIGHT> yeah basically
[12:26] <daftykins> step 1: cp file file.old ; step 2: play
[12:26] <azizLIGHT> i was messing with dark themes, they need to make special adjustments for ubuntu software center
[12:26] <azizLIGHT> i didnt backup the originals
[12:26] <tomreyn> there is "apt-get --reinstall install"
[12:26] <ubuntumaster> ok
[12:27] <daftykins> tomreyn: that wouldn't do it
[12:27] <azizLIGHT> daftykins: yeah i forgot
[12:27] <tomreyn> daftykins: why not?
[12:28] <daftykins> i don't think it'd replace a futz'd with file
[12:28] <BradenBraden> just install the latest nvidia drivers and i now get a black screen when pc tried to boot. tried the drivers in apt, have the official one downloaded from geforce.com. installed nvidia-prime. altered my xorg.conf. not sure what I can try next
[12:28] <daftykins> azizLIGHT: don't forget to match ownership and permissions :)
[12:28] <azizLIGHT> oh yeah
[12:28] <tomreyn> daftykins: i think it would.
[12:29] <daftykins> BradenBraden: you shouldn't have a xorg.conf
[12:29] <azizLIGHT> whats the original permissions there
[12:29] <azizLIGHT> for those two files
[12:29] <daftykins> they shouldn't have changed on your own
[12:29] <daftykins> BradenBraden: did you download them from the nvidia site? big no-no if so.
[12:29] <Abe_> BradenBraden: You have to install it over the Additional Drivers Option, I would remove this one
[12:29] <BradenBraden> daftykins, i did :(
[12:29] <daftykins> oy.
[12:30] <BradenBraden> i can run --uninstall on the script though
[12:30]  * BradenBraden does that
[12:30] <krcevina> Do spinlock time during I/O counts to system time (reported by sys time) or to the block I/O?
[12:30] <tomreyn> BradenBraden: try to uninstall and remove any remainders, make the open source driver work again, then use software properties to give the proprietary ones another shot.
[12:30] <halley> So I just installed 15.10 from scratch, and tried to talk to a USB serial device (like Arduino).  No dice.  How to troubleshoot?  Seems like there was a 14.04 bug in a 3.x kernel that got fixed; 15.10 has a 4.2 kernel.
[12:31] <daftykins> sounds like optimus so open won't work :)
[12:31] <BradenBraden> ok, the driver is uninstalled. should I do a apt-get uninstall nvidia-* too just incase?
[12:31] <daftykins> sudo apt-get purge nvidia*
[12:31] <tomreyn> ^
[12:31] <BradenBraden> ok done
[12:31] <tomreyn> but nvidia\*
[12:31] <daftykins> no
[12:32] <BradenBraden> i went though this blog before: http://www.allaboutlinux.eu/remove-nouveau-and-install-nvidia-driver-in-ubuntu-15-04/  and they told me to blacklist nouveau
[12:32] <BradenBraden> was i meant to?
[12:32] <daftykins> BradenBraden: is this a laptop with hybrid intel+nvidia? aka nvidia optimus?
[12:32] <BradenBraden> daftykins, yea it is
[12:32] <BradenBraden> Asus K501U (just got it)
[12:32] <daftykins> are you on 15.04?
[12:32] <BradenBraden> yes
[12:32] <BradenBraden> Ubuntu Gnome
[12:32] <daftykins> it's dead end of the month, so all your efforts will be in vain
[12:32] <BradenBraden> whats dead?
[12:32] <daftykins> 15.04
[12:33] <daftykins> !eol
[12:33] <BradenBraden> how so?
[12:33] <daftykins> see the info our friendly bot just shared
[12:33] <BradenBraden> i did. but whats going to replace it?
[12:33] <daftykins> 15.10
[12:33] <BradenBraden> wasnt that meant to be released like 5 months ago? lol
[12:33] <daftykins> or 14.04 in lovely LTS (long term support) land
[12:33] <Abe_> BradenBraden: your support runs out
[12:34] <daftykins> 15.10 came out in 2015.October
[12:34] <BradenBraden> oh wait
[12:34] <BradenBraden> i might have that then
[12:34] <daftykins> "cat /etc/issue"
[12:34] <daftykins> i typed that then my cat looked at me...
[12:34] <tomreyn> halley: what are you using to communicate with it?
[12:34] <BradenBraden> my bad, 15.10
[12:35] <daftykins> yay
[12:36] <BradenBraden> so all things nvidia should be removed now
[12:36] <Shogoot> I dont understand i downloada ubuntu server 14.04.03 LTS in got a frsh install and apt-get update fails, i read thsat its because its on end of life? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[12:36] <BradenBraden> also, the xorg.conf file is gone
[12:36] <daftykins> Shogoot: no it's not
[12:37] <BradenBraden> there is a backone one though (xorg.conf.01122016)
[12:37] <daftykins> BradenBraden: yeah you don't need one... open up the driver helper program (click dash top left then start typing drivers...) and see which versions it offers you
[12:37] <saurabh> hi, i'm running 14..04.3 on x86_64 laptop. My wifi is a ralink rt3290. Wifi gets hardblocked when resuming from suspend
[12:37] <saurabh> The only option I have is to restart my computer.
[12:37] <BradenBraden> i have no UI. im in the root term from booting the rescue image
[12:37] <saurabh> I tried rfkill unblock all
[12:38] <saurabh> but it didn't work
[12:38] <daftykins> BradenBraden: reboot first then
[12:38] <saurabh> pressing hardware switch doesn't work either
[12:38] <BradenBraden> daftykins, ok. another question.. i always seem to have to boot up with nomodeset. is this an optimus issue?
[12:38] <daftykins> yes
[12:38] <BradenBraden> saurabh, you and I have same issue as well
[12:38] <saurabh> this bug affects most hp laptops
[12:39] <saurabh> BradenBraden, oh
[12:39] <BradenBraden> daftykins, I have my DM back!!!
[12:39] <BradenBraden> :D
[12:39] <daftykins> sure do
[12:39] <daftykins> BradenBraden: does "cat /proc/cmdline" have 'nomodeset' in it?
[12:40] <anabain> This is really really funny. I can't remember how long the indexing files systems used by Kubuntu have been plaguing its performance. It's just ridiculous. And they keep going... Do you know how to disable it on 15.10?
[12:40] <Shogoot> daftykins, i jsut installed 14.04.03 pingen goolde and i get packages. then i do apt-get update but i get "failed to fetch htp://no.archive......"
[12:40] <BradenBraden> daftykins, yes it does
[12:40] <daftykins> anabain: bear in mind #kubuntu exists if nobody answers
[12:40] <anabain> daftykins, thanks
[12:40] <BradenBraden> daftykins, ok in additional drivers screen.
[12:40] <daftykins> BradenBraden: alright, you probably needed to add that to boot to install, correct?
[12:41] <BradenBraden> i added it to grub.cfg before but that disappeared while i was stuffing around
[12:41] <BradenBraden> which display driver should I go for? the nvidia one or the xorg nouveau one?
[12:42] <daftykins> BradenBraden: essentially, having it present may break any nvidia driver applied - which versions are you being offered?
[12:42] <BradenBraden> 352.63
[12:42] <BradenBraden> and there are two options, one for nvidia and one for nvidia-updates
[12:42] <daftykins> you're really only being offered 352?
[12:43] <BradenBraden> yea
[12:43] <BradenBraden> whats the latest?
[12:43] <daftykins> i actually wanted you to go older.
[12:43] <BradenBraden> (not that i care.. not planning on gaming lol)
[12:43] <BradenBraden> oh right
[12:44] <BradenBraden> so do I dare it?
[12:44] <daftykins> hang on
[12:44] <daftykins> we need to do some ground work on the nomodeset angle prior to any action
[12:44] <BradenBraden> hmm ok
[12:44] <daftykins> can you run "sudo apt install pastebinit && pastebinit /etc/default/grub"
[12:44] <daftykins> paste the resulting URL here
[12:44] <BradenBraden> so prime or bumblebee isnt really an option?
[12:45] <daftykins> you're running too far ahead
[12:45] <Shogoot> I just installed 14.04.03 pinged goolde and i get packages back. Then i do apt-get update but i get error :"failed to fetch htp://no.archive......"   i get a ping back from google. So  dns must be right, and im not doing any proxy stuff.
[12:45] <BradenBraden> daftykins, apologies. cant really paste it. laptop has no internet lol
[12:45] <daftykins> BradenBraden: ah, got wired you can plug in ?
[12:45] <BradenBraden> wait, i can tether with phone
[12:45] <BradenBraden> (no ethernet. its a slim jobbie)
[12:45] <daftykins> heh
[12:46] <daftykins> Shogoot: so "nslookup no.archive.ubuntu.com" is ok?
[12:47] <daftykins> ping from google makes no sense :)
[12:47] <BradenBraden> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14468826/
[12:47] <daftykins> BradenBraden: ah ok so you're only manually adding nomodeset right now is it?
[12:48] <BradenBraden> yea, pressing "e" at boot screen
[12:48] <daftykins> ok good stuff
[12:48] <daftykins> have you attempted to do anything with bumblebee?
[12:48] <Xano> My unity sidebar and the alt+tab overlay no longer work (alt-tabbing to another app itself works fine). Is there a process I need to restart to make this work?
[12:48] <daftykins> BradenBraden: "dpkg -l | grep bumblebee" will have some output if so, this would ruin any attempts also
[12:49] <BradenBraden> no output
[12:49] <Shogoot> daftykins, seems so. http://pastebin.com/pGTkUYKZ
[12:49] <daftykins> good good
[12:50] <deniz946> Hello all
[12:50] <Xano> Aaaand somehow the sidebar and alt-tab overlay reappeared...
[12:51] <daftykins> Shogoot: either try again or change it, i would say
[12:51] <Shogoot> daftykins, when i do apt-get update its saying 503 service unavailable, can i use some otrher countrys files?
[12:51] <daftykins> yes
[12:51] <deniz946> one question, when i use ubuntu with desktop unity if i push shift + prnscreen i do a screenshot and it appears a windows saying me if i want to save the image in pictures or save it in clipboards, how i can use this same screenshot method in ubuntu but instead of unity desktop, cinnamon destkop?
[12:51] <daftykins> Shogoot: just regexp replace no.archive for archive
[12:52] <daftykins> BradenBraden: so i take it you didn't add nomodeset once you'd installed the nvidia driver and rebooted? :)
[12:52] <deniz946> in cinnamon, nothing happens, just takes a screen and automatically saves it into pictures
[12:52] <BradenBraden> daftykins, no I didnt
[12:52] <BradenBraden> wait, you mean in grub menu?
[12:52] <daftykins> yeah
[12:52] <BradenBraden> yes i did
[12:52] <daftykins> ah-har.
[12:52] <daftykins> you can't do that once the driver is on
[12:53] <BradenBraden> showed the ubuntu logo then black screen
[12:53] <BradenBraden> i tried without nomodeset too
[12:53] <daftykins> BradenBraden: does the additional drivers window also refer to a microcode / intel update at the bottom?
[12:53] <BradenBraden> yes
[12:54] <daftykins> select that and the nvidia-352 and install them, but don't reboot yet
[12:54] <BradenBraden> ok. just the nvidia one or the nvidia-updates one?
[12:54] <daftykins> doesn't matter, but bear that in mind for a future extra option to try
[12:54] <BradenBraden> ok
[12:55] <BradenBraden> daftykins, sidenote: on saturday I spent 9 hours trying to get ubuntu 14.04 LTS and/or Fedora 23 installed and my word was it pain and suffering. Gave up and spent the next 27 hours playing Fallout4 lol
[12:56] <daftykins> yeah probably too old for that system
[12:56] <Shogoot> daftykins, use sed thanks its working now
[12:56] <BradenBraden> fed23 is the latest lol. but doesnt matter.. ok. drivers are installed
[12:57] <daftykins> yeah but it depends on the kernel in use, i don't know fedora.
[13:01] <daftykins> BradenBraden: ok double check nvidia-prime went on with "sudo apt install nvidia-prime"
[13:01] <BradenBraden> already installs
[13:01] <BradenBraden> *installed
[13:02] <daftykins> cool, reboot and let it do its' thing
[13:03] <BradenBraden> alright. here goes
[13:03]  * BradenBraden crosses fingers
[13:03] <daftykins> truth be told i don't expect a change :(
[13:03] <BradenBraden> it works!
[13:03] <BradenBraden> now have a decent resolution
[13:04] <daftykins> \o/
[13:04] <daftykins> might be handy if you could "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[13:05] <BradenBraden> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14468914/
[13:07] <daftykins> weird, that doesn't even look like an optimus system
[13:07] <kub> what
[13:07] <kub> hello
[13:07] <markhin> hi
[13:08] <markhin> anyone alive
[13:08] <BradenBraden> first time i even heard of optimus was yesterday. i imagine it is. onboard intel and geforce card. laptop is touted to have 11 hours battery life.. wouldnt be able to do that without switching to low-powered chip when it can
[13:08] <kub> hehe
[13:08] <BradenBraden> (if i understand it correctly)
[13:09] <BradenBraden> daftykins, so are we home clear as far as the gfx issue goes?
[13:12] <daftykins> BradenBraden: run nvidia-settings and see what you see
[13:13] <daftykins> but that log doesn't look quite like what i'd expect
[13:13] <BradenBraden> shortly.. did a test to see if another problem still exists. it does. (closing the lid causing the laptop to go to sleep.. when opening up, computer purrs to life but screen stays black :S)
[13:14] <YokoBR> Hi guys
[13:14] <YokoBR> I have Ubuntu Mate installed, but when i try to save the passwords from filezilla on the keyring, it says that it's disabled.
[13:14] <daftykins> yeah i can't help you with those power management quirks
[13:15] <daftykins> focus on the major functions first :)
[13:15] <BradenBraden> daftykins, got nvidia settings open
[13:15] <BradenBraden> daftykins, yea i know. just thought the correct drivers may have fixed it.
[13:15] <daftykins> 16.04 might help when it is out :)
[13:16] <BradenBraden> daftykins, i can switch between nvidia and intel in the PRIME Profiles tab
[13:16] <daftykins> excellent, so that's the ticket - right now it's solely using the nvidia
[13:16] <BradenBraden> yes
[13:17] <BradenBraden> screen 0 (intel) says no displays
[13:17] <daftykins> so naturally when you're out and about you'll want to reboot
[13:17] <BradenBraden> out and about?
[13:17] <daftykins> well, when you want the battery life to be better
[13:17] <daftykins> mobile :D
[13:17] <daftykins> switch to intel, reboot, done
[13:18] <BradenBraden> well, i want it always to be good lol. i have windows to dual boot into for games. so should i switch to intel as default?
[13:18] <daftykins> yep
[13:19] <BradenBraden> ah fooey. it said to log out and log back in for the changed to take effect. i log out and it sits on a black screen with some [ OK ] Started Disk Manager. (and other things)
[13:20] <daftykins> yeah i did say reboot ;)
[13:20] <BradenBraden> lol yes you did
[13:20] <BradenBraden> i should have known better
[13:20] <BradenBraden> ok, back in and using intel :)
[13:21] <daftykins> so /var/log/Xorg.0.log should confirm that by having a lot of lines beginning (intel)
[13:21] <daftykins> well, (II) intel...
[13:22] <BradenBraden> yes
[13:22] <daftykins> ok my work here is done :) enjoy
[13:22] <BradenBraden> i get an error popup though.. title says "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV"
[13:23] <daftykins> one with submit/cancel ?
[13:23] <BradenBraden> yea, clicked submit and show details to see it
[13:23] <daftykins> could just be from the logout
[13:24] <BradenBraden> ok
[13:24] <BradenBraden> everything still running so its not fatal lol
[13:24] <daftykins> see how it goes, annoyingly i think ubuntu is set to store that crash in /var/crash and always pop up on every boot reminding about it
[13:24] <BradenBraden> before you go, there is only one last thing that i am fighting with... the wifi
[13:24] <Audiac> hello Everyone!!!
[13:24] <daftykins> what's the chipset? "lspci | pastebinit"
[13:25] <BradenBraden> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469017/
[13:25] <daftykins> oh so it works on first boot, just the sleep thing again?
[13:26] <BradenBraden> daftykins, when i trype rfkill list all, I see phys0 : Wireless LAN && asus-wlan: Wireless LAN
[13:26] <qqqqq> I need som help with an old harddrive which could be encrypted.
[13:26] <BradenBraden> the phys0 one has a hard block on
[13:26] <daftykins> show me? "rfkill list all | pastebinit"
[13:26] <BradenBraden> doing rfkill all unblock does nothing
[13:26] <daftykins> no it won't for hard blocks
[13:27] <BradenBraden> and my FN+F2 (for airplane mode) doesnt work
[13:27] <BradenBraden> (the little indicator light is on saying its on airplane mode)
[13:27] <daftykins> no change if you boot into Windows and see it working, then reboot?
[13:27] <BradenBraden> daftykins, tried that. no cigar
[13:28] <BradenBraden> the toggle in the wifi settings screen shows airplane mode as off
[13:28] <BradenBraden> when I toggle it on, the indicator light goes off
[13:28] <BradenBraden> lol
[13:28] <daftykins> i know it's an asus, but do you get anything from "lsmod | grep acer" ?
[13:28] <tomreyn> hi qqqqq, what do you need help with in particular there?
[13:28] <BradenBraden> daftykins, nothing
[13:28] <daftykins> good stuff
[13:28] <daftykins> how about "lsmod | grep iwl"
[13:28] <qqqqq> I found an old hard disk which is parallel ATA but I don't have a mainboard which I can connect it to. Therefore I connected it via ATA to USB adapter. I am not sure whether I encrypted it with truecrypt, LUKS a Windows tool years ago. I need some help analyzing what it could be. http://pastebin.com/fWmscZA1
[13:28] <qqqqq> And help?
[13:29] <BradenBraden> daftykins, i get a bunch of things from that
[13:29] <BradenBraden> iwlwifi being one of them
[13:29] <hateball> BradenBraden, daftykins: intel 7265 requires a recent kernel, but it should work if you're on 14.04.3. Dont think 14.04 is gonna do it tho
[13:29] <limez> hey - i hope its okay for me to ask for support here: my lightdm keeps looping the login screen with any user/guest i try to login with. .xsession-errors logs no errors, just a few messages that processes are killed by TERM signal. i have no idea how to debug this.
[13:29] <daftykins> hateball: 15.10
[13:29] <BradenBraden> hateball, ^
[13:29] <BradenBraden> you beat me to it
[13:29] <hateball> daftykins: Oh! I read up and saw 14.04 mentioned :o
[13:30] <daftykins> hateball: i reckon it's ACPI/module related
[13:30] <daftykins> BradenBraden: when you play with airplane mode, does rfkill's output change?
[13:30] <hateball> daftykins: Suppose so, I have the same chipset on 15.10 and it "just works". But that's not in a laptop
[13:30] <BradenBraden> yes
[13:30] <qqqqq> tomreyn, find out why interpret the output of the disk commands. I can try many different passwords but is most likely the setup of that disk?
[13:30] <BradenBraden> i lose the Bluetooth one
[13:30] <BradenBraden> (loose
[13:31] <BradenBraden> also
[13:31] <tomreyn> qqqqq: those partition IDs suggest it's some form of windows partition, so likely not LUKS. but you'd realldy need to look at the headers, so the first (and maybe last) KB of data stored on those partitons
[13:31] <BradenBraden> the phys0 becomes softblocked
[13:31] <BradenBraden> no longer hardblocked
[13:31] <daftykins> BradenBraden: so then you can try the unblock command
[13:32] <BradenBraden> daftykins, that puts phys0 back on hardblock
[13:32] <daftykins> lol
[13:32] <BradenBraden> its a round robbin
[13:32] <qqqqq> tomreyn, http://pastebin.com/5EXy2bYW
[13:33] <BradenBraden> daftykins, i tried "echo "options asus_nb_wmi wapf=4" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/asus_nb_wmi.conf" to get the airplane mode button to work but alas, no
[13:33] <daftykins> BradenBraden: someone might already have the answer if you look up ubuntu + your model online, otherwise it's going to need someone with far more skill than me
[13:33] <daftykins> i'd be willing to bet ACPI factors in somehow
[13:33] <qqqqq> tomreyn, Would that be the correct way to mount it?
[13:33] <BradenBraden> well daftykins, i already owe you about 6 beers for the help with the drivers :)
[13:33] <daftykins> haha
[13:34] <sea``> What will happen to the version names after Z... Z..?
[13:34] <tomreyn> qqqqq: only if it was a vfat file system (witrhout encryption).
[13:34] <k1l> sea``: we will see
[13:34] <qqqqq> tomreyn, so what would you do?
[13:36] <tomreyn> qqqqq: inspect the headers, determine the encryption scheme, find a software which supports it on linux (if you intend to make it useable on linux that is, which may or may not work), open the encryption layer and mount the file system contained in it (if that's supported by linux)
[13:38] <qqqqq> tomreyn, how can I inspect the headers?
[13:38] <tomreyn> qqqqq: detecting the type of encryption may get more difficult if the encryption software tries to hide the fact that it's encrypted data.
[13:39] <qqqqq> but the boot partition should not be encrpyted. I can not mount it either
[13:39] <qqqqq> sdb1
[13:39] <tomreyn> qqqqq: you could use the file command on those parittions, then dd to get the first 1k or 8k block, then run it through hd or strings
[13:40] <tomreyn> sdb1 is not a boot partition, it is an LBA
[13:41] <qqqqq> tomreyn, anon@anon:~$ file /dev/sdb1
[13:41] <qqqqq> /dev/sdb1: block special (8/17)
[13:41] <tomreyn> it basically just states the the following (so all the other) partitions are logical, not primary partitions
[13:41] <qqqqq> tomaw, right
[13:42] <tomreyn> so ignore sdb1, look into sdb5-8
[13:42] <daftykins> perhaps qqqqq should show a "sudo parted -l"
[13:43] <daftykins> ah you kinda did
[13:43] <Shogoot> Sooo. From a ubuntu server 14.4.3. Im following this guide. http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/HowTo_Install_Redmine_30x_on_Ubuntu_1404_with_Apache2_Phusion_Passenger_MySQL_Subversion_and_Git_(Gitolite), bunde intsll giving me trouble and i dont understand how to fix it. Look here: http://pastebin.com/CSFsKCnG
[13:43] <daftykins> 14.04.3
[13:44] <tomreyn> qqqqq: maybe look into the MBR, too, so the first 1k block of /dev/sdb, it might give a clue on which encrpytion is being used.
[13:44] <Shogoot> wops wrong channel
[13:45] <daftykins> tomreyn: sorry to tread on your toes but just want to suggest one thing...
[13:45] <qqqqq> tomreyn, tomreyn http://pastebin.com/tRJ6Fssc
[13:46] <daftykins> qqqqq: try "sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb5 /mnt -o iocharset=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:46] <daftykins> BluesKaj: o/
[13:46] <BluesKaj> hi daftykins
[13:47] <qqqqq> tomreyn, http://pastebin.com/K71sM05m
[13:47] <tomreyn> qqqqq: i'm not daftykins
[13:47] <daftykins> qqqqq: repeat for sdb6, 7 and 8
[13:48] <qqqqq> oh
[13:48] <lop> hi
[13:48] <qqqqq> daftykins, same output for the other partitions
[13:49] <daftykins> qqqqq: ok, definitely something quirky at play then - what does "dmesg | tail" say?
[13:50] <qqqqq> daftykins, http://pastebin.com/KXgKtQyf
[13:51] <daftykins> ok that's just from earlier maybe
[13:51] <daftykins> nevermind then
[13:53] <racho> hello everyone. i have a plantronics da45 usb headset. however i can use it only in mono duplex mode. any idea how to make it run in stereo mode?
[13:57] <[DeVil-BoY]> hello
[13:57] <[DeVil-BoY]> can anyone tell me what happens if I have some samba shares mounted on a ubuntu system and then the samba server goes offline
[13:58] <daftykins> you can't access them :)
[13:58] <[DeVil-BoY]> and eventually it the server comes back up again
[13:58] <[DeVil-BoY]> do I get loads of error
[13:58] <[DeVil-BoY]> s
[13:58] <[DeVil-BoY]> will it unmount and mount automatically
[13:58] <[DeVil-BoY]> ?
[13:58] <daftykins> if you are putting this in for someone, you should test this yourself
[13:58] <[DeVil-BoY]> ok, that much I assumed
[13:59] <daftykins> i think it'd only know on access attempt
[13:59] <[DeVil-BoY]> ok, you make a fair point
[14:00] <[DeVil-BoY]> I just thought I'd use other users experience
[14:00] <daftykins> *nod* i can understand that, but you need to be used to what you're going to see when the time comes to debug it :)
[14:00] <[DeVil-BoY]> in case I need to create cron scripts for unmount/mount
[14:03] <[DeVil-BoY]> allright
[14:06] <lefti_> should i get anti-virus for ubuntu? if so, which one?
[14:06] <Umeaboy> lefti_: No.
[14:07] <Umeaboy> As long as you use what Ubuntu offers you don't have to worry.
[14:07] <limez> umm.. anybody got an idea how i can debug my lightdm? it doesnt let me login and throws me back at the login screen. just tried to purge and reinstall, no change. does not work for any user/guest account
[14:07] <lefti_> Umeaboy: ok thanks
[14:08] <k1l> lefti_: dont install software from websites you dont trust. or run scripts with sudo you dont know what they do. that is the best way to stay on a clean system.
[14:08] <Umeaboy> Windows gets most infected of all systems because you can run executable files without an administrations password.
[14:08] <Umeaboy> I mean a REAL admin passwd.
[14:09] <Umeaboy> lefti_: But IF you must, you can install Clamav.
[14:09] <navidcz> hi
[14:09] <navidcz> hi
[14:09] <navidcz> hi
[14:09] <Umeaboy> !clamav
[14:09] <navidcz> :|
[14:09] <lefti_> that makes so much sense
[14:09] <Umeaboy> navidcz: Hi!
[14:10] <BradenBraden> daftykins, how do I see kernel modules? one guy believes I need to blacklist the asus wifi kernel module.
[14:10] <navidcz> SALAM
[14:10] <qqqqq> daftykins, thx
[14:10] <daftykins> BradenBraden: sounds good; "lsmod | grep asus"
[14:10] <somsip> !topic | navidcz
[14:10] <MonkeyDust> !av
[14:11] <Umeaboy> lefti_: ^^
[14:11] <BradenBraden> daftykins, and i just throw that into a file in modprobe.d and reboot and it should auto be loaded? dont need to do any update-initamfs or anything?
[14:12] <Umeaboy> BradenBraden: You can use rfkill to block or unblock the module as well.
[14:12] <navidcz> ok
[14:12] <Umeaboy> rfkill list.
[14:12] <daftykins> BradenBraden: no you run what i said to confirm what is currently loaded
[14:13] <BradenBraden> i have. and i believe it is "asus_wmi" he is talking about
[14:13] <daftykins> yeah sounds about right, i believe you would put that module name inside /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[14:13] <daftykins> the file may have a header which tells you how to enter content
[14:14] <navidcz> GN
[14:15] <BradenBraden> daftykins, did it and rebooted but lsmod still shows it
[14:16] <limez> should i have a .profile file in my /home?
[14:16] <daftykins> BradenBraden: so in the file you added a line "blacklist asus_wmi" ?
[14:17] <BradenBraden> yes
[14:17] <daftykins> ok, no idea
[14:17] <BradenBraden> okie
[14:17] <somsip> limez: background info http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/83742/what-is-the-difference-between-profile-and-bash-profile-and-why-dont-i-have-a
[14:17] <daftykins> i have a ~/.profile yep
[14:19] <limez> somsip, thanks. i assume this should not affect lightdm then
[14:19] <Harkenn> I've read that supervisord isn't actually suited for running programs in a daemon mode. Why not?
[14:19] <somsip> limez: nope
[14:19] <geirha> environment variables you set in .profile will be read in by lightdm when you log in
[14:20] <Simounet> Hi there, did anyone ever use a dual bay for external drives with Ubuntu ( http://www.amazon.com/MB662U3-2S-R1-Tool-less-External-Enclosure/dp/B015EUII5E/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1452521970&sr=1-1&keywords=icy+dual+external+drive )?
[14:21] <bazhang> !hcl | have a check Simounet
[14:21] <BradenBraden> daftykins, think i fixed it :D had to blacklist asus_wmi && asus_bn_wmi
[14:22] <daftykins> Simounet: a NAS would probably be better
[14:22] <limez> .profile is gone, .bash_profile is empty and etc/environment seems correct to me. .xsession-errors doesnt seem to log anything useful.. mind if i post a pastebin link?
[14:23] <limez> how do i do that from console? :P
[14:23] <Umeaboy> I'm curious as to how long time it will take to get the nouveau module blocked as standard in the coming kernels.
[14:23] <Umeaboy> This problem (which I have reported of course) begins to be annoying everytime I either reinstall Ubuntu or install it freshly.
[14:24] <Simounet> daftykins > Yep but I get this piece of hardware and encounter serious issues with it (2 FS corrupted) so I wanted to know if Linux is not able to handle that or if I was unlucky.
[14:24] <Umeaboy> I have a temporary fix which is to block the nouveau module. It even affects the installation.
[14:24] <jack-zhang> Hello Why my script in /etc/network/if-up.d CAN NOT run automatically, my script is that: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469307/
[14:24] <Umeaboy> On both Live-session and without Live.
[14:25] <BluesKaj> Umeaboy:  nouveau is needed at first to get a desktop, then one installs the proprietary/binary if needed, some lower end nvidias can only run on nouveau
[14:25] <MonkeyDust> jack-zhang  ty sudo rm
[14:25] <MonkeyDust> jack-zhang  try sudo rm
[14:25] <daftykins> Simounet: oh right, i thought you were planning. might be worth identifying the USB bridge chip involved
[14:26] <daftykins> limez: command | pastebinit
[14:26] <jack-zhang> MonkeyDust, Have tried
[14:26] <Umeaboy> BluesKaj: Yes, I know that. Nouveau is normally used and my computer freezes entirely if I don't block the module from loading.
[14:26] <Simounet> daftykins > Ok, I removed this equipment by now, but I will look into that. Thanks.
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Umeaboy:  install the appropriate driver in the VT/TTY, then nouveau will be auto-removed
[14:28] <daftykins> blacklisting nouveau is indeed pointless
[14:28] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:29] <limez> thanks, pretty neat tool. well this is my .xsession-errors. can anybody read anything useful out of that? every hint appreciated: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469330/
[14:29] <Umeaboy> BluesKaj: But who thinks of that if you're a newbie and wonder why this happens?
[14:29] <limez> lightdm throws me back at the login screen after successful login
[14:29] <Umeaboy> I'm not a newbie, but someone who IS might assume that Linux is broken.
[14:29] <daftykins> Umeaboy: we deal in facts, not psychology of solution discovery ;)
[14:29] <BluesKaj> Umeaboy:  well, that's why we're here to help
[14:30] <xbox> re
[14:31] <Umeaboy> BluesKaj: You can help me to solve the nouveau issue so I won't have to go thru installing the appropriate driver everytime. :)
[14:31] <Umeaboy> :)
[14:31] <Umeaboy> Deal?
[14:31] <ertyui> hi
[14:31] <Umeaboy> Hi ertyui!
[14:31] <ertyui> when i grep assp process from ps -ef
[14:31] <ertyui> i got this result
[14:31] <ertyui>  ps -ef | grep -v grep | grep asspavahi      402     1  0  2015 ?        00:00:21 avahi-daemon: running [asspam.local]root      4309     1  1 11:03 pts/3    00:02:38 perl assp.pl
[14:31] <Kawaii-Hero-0> Hello everyone! X3
[14:32] <Umeaboy> Hi Kawaii-Hero-0!
[14:32] <pbx> software updater keeps crashing. 14.04, was working fine last time i ran it. notification menu says "a problem occurred when checking for the updates." my net connection is fine. how do i troubleshoot this?
[14:32] <Model> Hello i know this is random but can someone please recommend me a channel on pc gaming hardware help for a noob?
[14:32] <ertyui> so i need to restart have i need to call assp.pl or asspam.local
[14:32] <ertyui> ??
[14:32] <Umeaboy> pbx: Can't you upgrade to 15.10?
[14:32] <pbx> Umeaboy, this is a work machine, LTS all the way
[14:33] <daftykins> Model: ##hardware - message the 'alis' bot in future though, as this is not a telephone directory for freenode.
[14:33] <gordonjcp> really?
[14:33] <daftykins> ugh
[14:33] <gordonjcp> 'cos I use 15.10 on my work machine
[14:33] <daftykins> pbx: run it from a terminal to watch output perhaps
[14:33] <BluesKaj> Umeaboy:  do you know how to use the VT/TTY and do a serach to find the correct linux driver suggested by nvidia (don't use their driver because it won't upgrade properly from thr repos)
[14:33] <Umeaboy> pbx: I'd consider upgrading to 15.10 and make THAT my LTS version instead.
[14:34] <daftykins> Umeaboy: LTS is a thing of fact, you can't pick...
[14:34] <daftykins> !lts
[14:34] <arail2> list
[14:34] <inspector71> Is it possible to install GRUB to a RAID1 device? I'm getting errors every time I try :(
[14:34] <BluesKaj> you can't make an OS LTS , Umeaboy
[14:34] <Umeaboy> BluesKaj: Nope. I don't think I do.
[14:35] <BluesKaj> !vt | Umeaboy
[14:35] <BluesKaj> no bot info there
[14:35] <daftykins> !tty
[14:35] <daftykins> :D
[14:35] <Umeaboy> It just took some time.
[14:35] <Umeaboy> ;)
[14:35] <MonkeyDust> Umeaboy  you can't decide how long a release will be supported
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Umeaboy:  there you go
[14:36] <ModelEngine> oh gee daftykins its you.......wonderful
[14:36] <Umeaboy> I know what the tty terminals are.
[14:36] <Umeaboy> I just don't know how to investigate the problem further.
[14:36] <BluesKaj> um the vt/ttys are very useful
[14:36] <Umeaboy> Yeah.
[14:37] <Lewix> I'm trying to get xfce to work with multiple screen
[14:37] <Umeaboy> MonkeyDust: No, but Canonical CAN. ;)
[14:37] <daftykins> ModelEngine: problem?
[14:37] <inspector71> anyone have experience troubleshooting grub-install problems?
[14:37] <Umeaboy> inspector71: What kind of problems?
[14:37] <ModelEngine> daftykins, no just bad memories
[14:37] <inspector71> Umeaboy: fatal errors unfortunately
[14:37] <MonkeyDust> Umeaboy  yes, but they won't support it for one single user only
[14:37] <daftykins> ModelEngine: oh right, well try to consider that this is a new year - and maybe things do change :)
[14:38] <ModelEngine> daftykins, true :)
[14:38] <BluesKaj> Umeaboy: which nvidia gpu ?
[14:38] <daftykins> but apologies if i was my grumpy self at some indeterminate point in the past
[14:38] <Umeaboy> inspector71: I run os-prober && update-grub2 && grub-install whenever I have gotten a new kernel to make sure that everything works OK.
[14:38] <inspector71> Umeaboy: I've tried the lubuntu installer, the Debian 8.2 installer and the Mint installer ... which I imagine are generally similar
[14:39] <Lewix> im trying to get multiple monitors working with xfce
[14:39] <inspector71> Umeaboy: that sounds like an interesting tip. However this is a fresh install scenario so would that tip apply here?
[14:39] <daftykins> inspector71: no
[14:39] <ModelEngine> daftykins: thanks, same back to you
[14:40] <daftykins> Umeaboy: very different ball game when it comes to RAID
[14:40] <inspector71> daftykins: ok
[14:40] <Umeaboy> BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mandriva/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1492934
[14:41] <inspector71> i've probed the syslog and it simply says /dev/md0 ... well actually 'md0' doesn't exist
[14:41] <Umeaboy> I have this on Mageia as well.
[14:41] <Umeaboy> Mageia is forked from Mandriva.
[14:41] <daftykins> inspector71: are you trying to do this from a live session?
[14:41] <Umeaboy> I had to choose Mandriva as Mageia isn't added in the list of affected dists.
[14:42] <daftykins> Umeaboy: i'm not 100% clear on your issue, but bear in mind we don't support other distros in here...
[14:42] <inspector71> Daftykins: in at least two scenarios yes, as it would appear almost all Linux iso images are oriented that way nowadays
[14:42] <inspector71> Daftykins: however with Debian8.2 I was using the text-based installer in  expert mode
[14:43] <inspector71> albeit in a testing scenario via a VirtualMachine
[14:43] <daftykins> inspector71: that's of no concern as debian is supported in #debian
[14:43] <daftykins> inspector71: anyway if you booted a live session to try to install GRUB, you likely need to install mdadm first so the system knows about your disks, for the RAID 'device' to show up
[14:44] <daftykins> or it might just have a number other than 0 for 'md#'
[14:44] <inspector71> odaftykins: appreciate the demarcation however I'm perfectly happy to install any debian-based flavor that will work
[14:44] <BradenBraden> blegh i lied... wifi is connected but got no internet
[14:44] <Umeaboy> daftykins: I know. Just telling you that I have the same problem in more than one dist.
[14:44] <inspector71> daftykins: yep, I've tried that
[14:44] <xbox> Est` russian tut?
[14:44] <daftykins> !ru
[14:45] <Umeaboy> And the Launchpad gives you that option.
[14:45] <Umeaboy> To add affected dists.
[14:45] <inspector71> daftykins: as Mint in particular doesn't seem to have mdadm available to the installer, I've jumped out of the installer and created the RAID1 arrays using mdadm
[14:45] <daftykins> inspector71: if Mint is what you have on this thing now, this channel is not the right place to discuss it
[14:46] <inspector71> daftykins: not intending to break the rules
[14:46] <inspector71> as above, I've tried lubuntu 15.01
[14:46] <MonkeyDust> inspector71  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[14:46] <ModelEngine> what is test debugger
[14:46] <ModelEngine> nm found it
[14:46] <inspector71> MonkeyDust: I'll get that for you, bear with me
[14:48] <inspector71> daftykins: am I allowed to discuss lubuntu 15.10 in here?
[14:48] <daftykins> only if that's what's installed
[14:49] <inspector71> I'm not talking about an installed scenario. I'm attempting to setup an installation
[14:49] <daftykins> yeah but sometimes you can install and just have the GRUB installation fail, so technically it's there... just not usable
[14:50] <daftykins> anywho i must go, good luck
[14:50] <inspector71> thanks for trying to help
[14:50] <inspector71> yeah I did get up to that point, fully installed excepting GRUB
[14:51] <inspector71> I'm just going to run up a new VM install so it's a clean attempt
[14:51] <daftykins> i thought this was physical hardware :)
[14:52] <ModelEngine> can anyone here direct me to a channel that can help me out with pc gaming hardware?
[14:52] <inspector71> it's both :) I'm trying to avoid cooking up my place by running the hardware and waiting for ages. It's pretty hot where I live lately
[14:53] <daftykins> ModelEngine: i mentioned ##hardware before
[14:53] <ModelEngine> daftykins: sorry i logged off and never saw it, but came back. thx i will go there
[14:55] <ModelEngine> daftykins: i am there but there's like nobody on, any other more populated channels you could recommend?
[14:56] <Foloex> hello world
[14:56] <Foloex> I'm trying to use deboostrap to install a system from an ubuntu 15.04 live
[14:57] <Foloex> deboostrap gets stuck at "retrieving release"
[14:57] <Foloex> I cannot get the release using wget neither
[14:57] <tomreyn> always use the latest debootstrap
[14:57] <Foloex> it would seem that something is blocking wget based on its user-agent
[14:57] <nicomachus> Foloex: do you have internet?
[14:58] <Foloex> specifying firefox's user-agent for wget does the trick
[14:58] <smacktalk> chromium crashes...
[14:58] <smacktalk> just freezes up
[14:58] <Foloex> but I don't know how to specify this at debootstrap's level
[14:58] <smacktalk> same with chrome...
[14:58] <Foloex> nicomachus: yes
[14:58] <smacktalk> will they ever fix that?!???
[14:59] <smacktalk> flippin heck!!!
[14:59] <nicomachus> smacktalk: relax. what's the issue?
[14:59] <smacktalk> like I said...crashing chromium
[15:00] <nicomachus> ok... do you know what is causing the crash?
[15:00] <smacktalk> no...prolly some errant script
[15:01] <nicomachus> smacktalk: well perhaps you may check with the Chromium folks.
[15:01] <smacktalk> i close out of the browser and try to restart the browser and same thing
[15:01] <smacktalk> only happens on linus
[15:01] <smacktalk> linux
[15:01] <nicomachus> smacktalk: also check here for some debugging procedures: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Debugging
[15:01] <smacktalk> only works if I reboot my laptop
[15:02] <nicomachus> do you have a ton of tabs open when it happens?
[15:02] <BradenBraden> after blacklisting asus_nb_wmi which allowed me to connect to my wifi (no longer hardware blocked), i can connect but have no internet access. this is my ifconfig:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469542/
[15:02] <smacktalk> usually, yes...but I have a reallllly beefy laptop
[15:03] <nicomachus> smacktalk: how many tabs? and how much RAM are you working with?
[15:05] <inspector71> should partitions that will be part of a RAID array be formatted first, before the array is created?
[15:05] <tomreyn> Foloex: it's just a shell script, you can edit it with a text editor.
[15:05] <tomreyn> Foloex: but (as i said) first of all make sure you have the latest
[15:06] <Foloex> tomreyn: yep, I have the latest debootstrap ;)
[15:06] <inspector71> MonkeyDust: should partitions that will be part of a RAID array be formatted first, before the array is created?
[15:07] <tomreyn> Foloex: the one of xenial then? then in /usr/share/debootstrap/functions, like 80, is where wget gets called.
[15:07] <smacktalk> i prolly had 15 tabs open and have 32 gigs of mem
[15:07] <tomreyn> Foloex: also line 83 if non-verbose (the default)
[15:08] <Foloex> tomreyn: I think I got it to work using the WGETRC env variable and a wgetrc file
[15:08] <limez> okay i purged my whole ubuntu-desktop, cleared all leftovers and installed it again. still cant login. i have to admit im pretty desperate.
[15:09] <tomreyn> right, that or a wget alias would work, too. possibly a different mirro server, too.
[15:09] <Foloex> tomreyn: but the drive I wanted to use seems to be failing badly, I have a dmesg filled by ata errors :S
[15:09] <tomreyn> limez: what happens when you try tologin?
[15:10] <gordonjcp> Foloex: ATA errors do indeed sound like a failing drive - check the cable too
[15:10] <tomreyn> Foloex: that's a pity, better replace it soonish.
[15:10] <Foloex> but it's a almost brand new SSD :'(
[15:10] <limez> it throws me right back onto the greeter after a successful login with any account
[15:11] <limez> trying to fix this for 6 hours now :s
[15:11] <tomreyn> Foloex: the cabling, power or controller issues could cause this, too. but that's much more rare. check 'S.M.A.R.T.' data.
[15:12] <smacktalk> 64 Gig mem with swap
[15:12] <Foloex> tomreyn: s.m.a.r.t. says disk is ok
[15:12] <Foloex> I'm left with cable, power, or bad kernel params
[15:12] <smacktalk> it's an msi gaming system
[15:13] <Foloex> is there a way to test an SATA controller ?
[15:13] <tomreyn> limez: this hints at window manager / desktop issues. reinstalling may not help if the issue is in your $HOME. on the other hand, maybe you are missing some packages which you accidentially uninstalled.
[15:13] <BradenBraden> fixed it. had to add googles DNS ips to my resolv.conf file
[15:14] <limez> tomreyn, shouldnt it work with the guest account if the issue is in my $HOME?
[15:14] <tomreyn> limez: yes it should
[15:14] <smacktalk> join #chromium
[15:15] <smacktalk> oops
[15:15] <Foloex> I'll try a reboot for now, good bye
[15:16] <tomreyn> limez: what's the desktop you would like to be running? the default one which comes with ubuntu? unity?
[15:16] <DirtyCajn2> when i fdisk i get everything as base2 what command shows me base 10 numbers?
[15:17] <limez> yeah default unity/lightdm
[15:17] <limez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469646/ <- thats the current paste of my .xsession-errors
[15:17] <tomreyn> limez: what happened / was changed between when this last worked and when it failed for the first time?
[15:18] <tomreyn> (or did it never work since you first installed ubuntu?)
[15:18] <limez> nah i had my system running for a year
[15:18] <limez> i removed dolphin
[15:18] <DirtyCajn2> answered my own quesion its lshw sorry
[15:18] <limez> and installed webstorm
[15:19] <tomreyn> limez: which ubuntu release are you running there?
[15:19] <limez> 14.04
[15:19] <limez> already checked the usual suspects (/tmp, xauthority/iceauthority)
[15:20] <limez> but i dont think its related to my $HOME, as u said earlier
[15:21] <limez> maybe i broke something when i set nautilus back to the dafault filemanager
[15:22] <tomreyn> limez: removing dolphin alone did not cause unity to break. you must have done something else.
[15:23] <limez> i removed a few .desktop files from /usr/share/applications
[15:23] <tomreyn> limez: the verious services / applications failing according to your .xsession-errors may hint at incompatible package versions (such as installed from incompatible repositories, not fully upgraded etc.)
[15:25] <limez> tomreyn: do you have an idea how i could find out what the incompatible packages may be?
[15:25] <limez> i suspect im looking at the wrong logs
[15:26] <DirtyCajn2> ok new question. When i move something from one HD to another on my Ubuntu Server via Samba... it goes slowly because its sending the file to the pc im using then back to the server. is there a program other than just using CL that will act as if im on the server and not pull to the remote pc?
[15:26] <NO_CARRIER> Is it a bad idea to upgrade (running 15.10 server) to the newly-released kernel 4.4?
[15:26] <tomreyn> limez: (sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions && sudo apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate) | pastebinit
[15:27] <k1l_> NO_CARRIER: do you even know why you want to upgrade the kernel?
[15:27] <limez> one min, got to type it out :P
[15:27] <tomreyn> limez: also, *after* running the above: apt-cache policy | pastebinit
[15:28] <BradenBraden> which is better, openJDK or Oracle JAVA?
[15:28] <tomreyn> based on random criteria? the other!
[15:29] <mcphail> NO_CARRIER: yes, it is a bad idea. Largely because you will sacrifice automatic package management. Not what you need on a server
[15:29] <NO_CARRIER> mcphail: thanks
[15:30] <tomreyn> limez: you shouldn't need to type it out. if this is on a different computer maybe setup ssh access first
[15:32] <limez> tomyreyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469757/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469781/
[15:32] <leamon> How to set remote desktop?
[15:32] <leamon> I have Retina installed at both server and client.
[15:32] <leamon> *remmina
[15:33] <limez> tomreyn: yea i should set up putty on my windows machine
[15:33] <leamon> and check 'Allow other users to view your desktop'
[15:33] <leamon> at server
[15:36] <tomreyn> limez: line 122 onwards of http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469757/ lists packages which are not from an apt repository you currently have installed. i.e. orphaned packaged, which receive no support, especially not security patches.
[15:37] <tomreyn> limez: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14469781/ indicated that you are using several third party repostories, including some for different ubuntu releases.
[15:39] <tomreyn> tomreyn: well not that many 3rd party repositories, just some. and while my rough guess is that those do not create this issue you are running into, i can only guess and this doe snot look too good.
[15:39] <limez> tomreyn: i will just remove them for now
[15:40] <limez> i just wanna keep my system :P
[15:42] <tomreyn> limez: packages [ libxdo2 config-usbhid-synaptics-touchscreen workaround-screen-lock-malfunction ] might, simply a guess based on their naming, cause these issues you're having
[15:42] <stephane_> anyon here?
[15:42] <aq2> 1858 people
[15:42] <stephane_> :)
[15:43] <limez> tomreyn: i dont need to remove the ppa's, right? just the packages?
[15:44] <tomreyn> limez: i suggest you start by backing up (if needed), then purging the packages i just listed.
[15:44] <limez> cant even remember that package :/
[15:44] <stephane_> Quick question for you guys... I am Ubuntu lover and work with it everyday both home and work. I am about to purchase a laptop....However, I wish I could buy the Edge version to run everything from my cell phone. Since project was replaced with touch...Is there a phone that can be used for both Cell and Desktop?
[15:44] <aq2> limez: dpkg --get-selections |grep something
[15:45] <aq2> limez: replace something with what to search from your installed software.
[15:45] <tomreyn> limez: also remove the 12.04 / precise "canonical partner" package repository
[15:46] <stephane_> Anyone?
[15:46] <stephane_> Any recommendation or can anyone confirm if there is a working version of phone/desktop?
[15:46] <limez> aq2: thanks, thats handy
[15:46] <limez> tomreyn: will do
[15:48] <k1l_> stephane_: #ubuntu-touch , and no, there is no ohone to buy to have the laptop in your poket, yet
[15:48] <stephane_> ok thanks
[15:48] <tomreyn> limez: i'm afraid i'll have to leave shortly. but others can help you out on this, too.
[15:48] <rentec> Hello! I have a fresh install of Ubuntu-Mate and was wondering if anyone knew how to disable the guest session login.
[15:49] <nicomachus> rentec: https://askubuntu.com/questions/451526/removing-guest-session-at-login-in-ubuntu-14-04
[15:49] <Eurynomos> Hello, I got the problem that my system's language is English, but everything in software center is in another language.
[15:50] <limez> tomreyn: no worries, i think you got me to the right direction. thank you very much :)
[15:50] <rentec> Thank you nicomachus
[15:50] <tomreyn> welcome, good luck!
[15:52] <tomreyn> limez:  consider running 'apt-get --purge remove apt-show-versions' when you're done, to clean up.
[15:52] <limez> tomreyn: noted, thanks again :)
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> i have a customer with 2 laptops and 1 desktop that can only recognize the samsung ML-1665 on the desktop by default, even when installing printers drivers the laptops cant see the printer, theyr connected via usb..someone has a clue?
[15:54] <aq2> i installed ubuntu 14.04 from the mini.iso on this system, why doesn't it boot without a network connection?
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> all 3 boxes on trusty
[16:00] <jwr_> i'm getting "you have held broken packages" when i use apt-get. but "apt-mark showhold" doesn't list any packages. anybody know how to fix that?
[16:01] <nicomachus> jwr_: try "sudo apt-get clean" and "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[16:02] <k1l_> jwr_: run "sudo apt full-upgrade"
[16:03] <Eurynomos> Hello, I got the problem that my system's language is English, but everything in software center is in another language.
[16:04] <limez> tomreyn: purged all packages except the ruby stuff and the printer-drivers, also i removed all ppas except the heroku one
[16:04] <limez> did a reboot, unfortunately that didnt fix it, should i remove ruby and heroku too? cant believe that could be the problem
[16:06] <limez> the bright side is i just removed wine and freed about a gb disk space
[16:14] <KamZou> Hi, when i connect to a server with SSH i get the old entry present in /etc/issue. The file is now empty but i still receive old hostname at login. Any idea why ? (/etc/motd & /etc/issue & /etc/issue.net are OK)
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> KamZou: maybe the #openssh guys ca help you on this?
[16:18] <KamZou> lotuspsychje, let's try
[16:20] <mario1> salve a tutti
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> !it | mario1
[16:25] <TheEagerPadawan> does anyknow where i can grab a driver for QinHeng Electronics HL-340 USB-Serial adapter  that is supported on 15.10?
[16:26] <aq2> TheEagerPadawan: this is for mint but should also work in ubuntu http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=135914
[16:27] <TheEagerPadawan> as2 let me take a peek
[16:27] <infFS> Hi!
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> aq2: any reason you dont just use desktop version instead of mini?
[16:28] <aq2> lotuspsychje: i wanted to build it myself but i'm downloading the desktop version of mate right now, we'll see if i like it.
[16:28] <aq2> good question.
[16:28] <infFS> I want to implement infinite feature selection in C++ for linux, it's this technique: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282576688_Infinite_Feature_Selection ) can someone helps me?
[16:29] <infFS> it seems easy, but I need a function to invert a matrix
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> aq2: you could install desktop and purge whatever you like to basics?
[16:29] <infFS> sorry here is the code: http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/54763-infinite-feature-selection
[16:29] <aq2> lotuspsychje: well, the reason i came to ubuntu instead of mint is that i don't want to start customizing a fresh install by removing things
[16:29] <infFS> are only 3-4 lines in matlab
[16:30] <aq2> lotuspsychje: seems pointless, coming from mint there was three media players :(
[16:30] <aq2> i dont want that
[16:31] <Guest56856> f
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> aq2: using mini is also pretty expert, youl encouter some unwanted issues better use desktop and strip it as you wish
[16:32] <aq2> thats what i noticed
[16:32] <aq2> following this i got it all working though :D http://blogging.dragon.org.uk/ubuntu-minimal-install-with-mate-as-the-desktop-14-04-lts/
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> !yay | aq2
[16:32] <aq2> that bot is awesome
[16:33] <aq2> other channels don't use bots this much
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> aq2: alot of preloaded triggers that can help users here
[16:33] <aq2> i've noticed that
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot | aq2 use yourself :p
[16:34] <aq2> this computer can only connect to internet with ethernet and doesn't boot without it :(
[16:34] <ModelEngine> frn
[16:34] <aq2> so i think i need to take the strip down approach
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> aq2: i got 14.04.3 pretty lightweight here, purging packages and replacing them with lightweight stuff also
[16:35] <aq2> however installing from mini.iso is something i want to do some day :)
[16:35] <aq2> lotuspsychje: is there any hidden junk i can purge?
[16:35] <aq2> lotuspsychje: mint was full of it (search enhancer etc) anything like that in ubuntu mate?
[16:36] <lotuspsychje> aq2: i use bleachbit to clean, but ubuntu desktop is pretty neat by default
[16:36] <aq2> i don't mean as junk building up
[16:36] <aq2> does ubuntu come with any useless programs?
[16:36] <aq2> for example, in mint there was multiple applications that can do the same thing
[16:37] <TheEagerPadawan> seems that chmod 777 /dev/ttyUSB0 doesn't seem to help
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> aq2: i would not call them useless, but for every needs there's another flavor right
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> aq2: thats the beauty of linux right, you can do whatever you like
[16:37] <aq2> i agree
[16:37] <infFS> Hello, I'm bachelor student in computer science, I need to implement a feature selection technique called Infinite Feature Selection in C/C++ (scientific paper: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282576688_Infinite_Feature_Selection ) The implementation is in provided by the authors in MATLAB (source code:  http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcent
[16:37] <infFS> ral/fileexchange/54763-infinite-feature-selection ) I need to implement it as they do, and then my goal is to optimize this function someway, to make it faster,It seems to be very easy, because there're only few lines of code... Can someone helps me? 1- How can I read the input in C/C++? 2- How can I represent a matrix and then invert this matrix?
[16:37] <infFS> 3- there are functions to calculate the correlation and STD given two vectors? Thank you...
[16:37] <aq2> vlc, totem, banshee... hexchat and pidgin... eye of mate and gthumb and gimp... many programs that do the same thing
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> aq2: another approach is looking at the more lightweight ubuntu flavors: lubuntu/xubuntu and purge/install packages as they use
[16:38] <aq2> i dont want them, i want the mate because its customizable.
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> aq2: like using mupdf example instead of default pdf viewer
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> aq2: thats your choice mate :p
[16:39] <aq2> i'm glad someone understands me though, people on mint just said "the three media players dont take much space" :D
[16:39] <ascot> hello, anyone knows what is the best way to disable plymouth in ubuntu 15.10?
[16:39] <aq2> i'm also amazed by how a big channel like this can be friendly
[16:39] <askhl> Hello.  Am installing Ubuntu 14.04 for dual boot with Windows 10.  Installation was apparently smooth but grub does not show.  Boot flag is set correctly but evidently has no effect.  Any help please?
[16:39] <lotuspsychje> ascot: disable 'quiet splash' from grub
[16:39] <aq2> askhl: what boots and what doesnt boot?
[16:40] <k1l_> ascot: remove the boot kernel parameters
[16:40] <askhl> Windows boots as if nothing has happened.  I expected grub to present a list of options including both.
[16:40] <aq2> askhl: Ok
[16:40] <aq2> askhl: disable windows's secure boot and turn off fast boot in bios.
[16:40] <ascot> lotuspsychje: does that also remove it at shutdown?
[16:40] <aq2> askhl: no, the other way. fast boot is in windows and secure boot in bios :)
[16:40] <askhl> Hmm.  Oh....
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> ascot: after you sudo update-grub yes
[16:41] <aq2> sorry
[16:41] <askhl> Wait, so I start windows and turn off fast boot?  I thought I fixed secure boot but that may not be the case either
[16:41] <aq2> askhl: how did you fix that? bios or windows?
[16:41] <aq2> askhl: yes, start windows and disable its fast boot.
[16:41] <askhl> BIoS
[16:42] <ascot> lotuspsychje: great, thanks!
[16:42] <k1l_> aq2: if you want a really lightweight system with only the app installed you really need. then make a minimal install and install the packages only you want. but that needs some knowledege and you will be surprised how much you need but you dont know it because it runs in the background
[16:42] <aq2> askhl: you were lucky, sometimes windows gets locked and won't boot at all :)
[16:42] <mustmodify_> I'm having a weird issue. Someone emailed a postscript file to me. When I decompress what he sent, I get files of size 0. But he *swears* his files are good. Postscript files have no extension... uh... any ideas?
[16:42] <askhl> Oh dear my.
[16:42] <aq2> k1l_: i noticed that :)
[16:42] <aq2> askhl: worse yet, your files can get stuck on the windows side... but thats what ##windows is for :)
[16:43] <askhl> Right, secure boot is disabled.  Then I will try to disable fast boot.  Thanks aq2, I had never guessed to do anything in windows
[16:43] <aq2> you're welcome :)
[16:43] <askhl> aq2: Well, that's why I have a backup :)
[16:43] <aq2> windows 7 and before there's no problems like this.
[16:43] <askhl> Incredible!
[16:43] <aq2> its windows 8 that breaks standards... :(
[16:43] <akik> mustmodify_: what kind of archive was it?
[16:44] <k1l_> mustmodify_: do a "file /path/to/filename" to see some info about that file
[16:44] <aq2> lotuspsychje: cool, the mate iso is 1.1GB the mint mate iso was 1.7 GB :D
[16:45] <aq2> and people complain that ubuntu is heavy
[16:45] <aq2> unity is not my thing :)
[16:45] <aq2> what virtualbox package should i install?
[16:46] <aq2> is it simple as sudo apt-get install virtualbox ?
[16:46] <akik> mustmodify_: postscript files can have an extension as well
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> !info virtualbox | aq2 yes
[16:46] <aq2> Ok
[16:47] <Bleakney> It seems running "macchanger -a" does only change the first three parts of the address. Why is that? On other distros it changes the whole address
[16:47] <akik> mustmodify_: to list and test a zip file, use "unzip -t archive.zip". to list and test a .tar.gz use "tar -ztvf archive.tar.gz"
[16:47] <TheEagerPadawan> hi guys having usb to serial driver issues -> info @ http://pastebin.com/2zjqPbdv
[16:48] <sixteenmillionye> does anyone have any experience with consistent system failures (failing to boot - have reinstalled ubuntu 15.04 twice in the past week after failure to boot/blinking cursor at startup) concurrent with a "the device descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes but linux says it is  512 bytes" error reported from gparted?
[16:48] <aq2> sixteenmillionye: is windows installed?
[16:48] <sixteenmillionye> no, windows not present
[16:48] <aq2> Ok
[16:48] <sixteenmillionye> the disk is completely wiped at this point
[16:49] <aq2> what version of windows did the computer come with?
[16:49] <sixteenmillionye> it' s a fresh build - just components, so no OEM OS
[16:49] <aq2> Ok
[16:49] <sixteenmillionye> i' ve had it for a year, no problems until about two weeks ago
[16:49] <mustmodify_> akik: it was a zip
[16:49] <aq2> then you shouldn't have secure boot issues
[16:49] <aq2> you could try trusty
[16:50] <mustmodify_> k1l_: ./concorde.zip: Zip archive data, at least v1.0 to extract
[16:52] <bgr> hi
[16:53] <sixteenmillionye> my hunch is that the physical disk is defective - i've wiped it several times (recreated the partition table, reset the mbr), but consistently continue to get " 2048/512"  error/warning from gparted which makes no sense to me.
[16:53] <sixteenmillionye> but i want to confirm the hunch before i waste money on a new disk.
[16:55] <akik> mustmodify_: to list and test a zip file, use "unzip -t concorde.zip"
[16:56] <akik> MushroomNZ: you can use "unzip -v concorde.zip" to list the file details
[16:56] <akik> oops. that was for mustmodify_
[16:59] <Pod15> Ufw not starting automatically on boot despite ufw.conf set to enabled=yes, can start manually but want it starting automatically... Any ideas??
[17:01] <askhl> aq2: It still booted directly into windows, strangely enough!
[17:01] <MonkeyDust> Pod15  sudo ufw enable
[17:01] <aq2> askhl: not nice :(
[17:01] <cfhowlett> pod15 this ^^^
[17:01] <Pod15> Yeah that works but I want it to happen automatically on boot up
[17:01] <askhl> aq2: am verifying the settings again :(
[17:02] <aq2> http://www.windows10update.com/2015/05/windows-10-tutorials-66-how-to-enable-or-disable-fast-startup/
[17:02] <MonkeyDust> Pod15  ufw will still be enabled, until you disable it
[17:03] <Pod15> Monkeydust when I first login sudo ufw status says inactive though!?
[17:03] <askhl> Oh, but perhaps I did not properly turn 'off' the computer
[17:04] <askhl> maybe it just went into standby somehow
[17:04] <ssaa> Lista
[17:04] <aq2> lotuspsychje: i dont like the mate iso... i want to start with no software... no libreoffice, no firefox, no pidgin, no transmission
[17:04] <MonkeyDust> aq2  try the mini.iso
[17:04] <aq2> Yes
[17:04] <aq2> i tried that
[17:05] <aq2> but i haven't gotten sound and network manager to work :(
[17:05] <SorcerousFox> xubuntu-core!
[17:05] <SorcerousFox> just an option
[17:05] <aq2> can i install mate to that?
[17:05] <aq2> i really want mate desktop
[17:05] <SorcerousFox> starting with the mini.iso will probably be the best bet though to be honest
[17:06] <aq2> well
[17:06] <inspector71> can anyone help me troubleshoot this installation problem  get when trying to install GRUB at the end of a setup? http://pastebin.com/MV0R7QFL
[17:06] <k1l_> aq2: install the mate packages
[17:06] <aq2> souref: if you can get your mini.iso setup to boot without ethernet thats good
[17:06] <aq2> sorry souref wrong nick
[17:06] <aq2> k1l_: i've done that.
[17:06] <askhl> aq2: The secure boot is disabled.  However I notice in BIOS there is a setting "UEFI Boot Order" that is set to "OS boot Manager", whatever that is
[17:07] <aq2> askhl: can you boot without uefi? aka legacy boot?
[17:07] <askhl> aq2: It is greyed out
[17:07] <aq2> ok
[17:07] <askhl> Ahh, I have enabled it now
[17:07] <MiningMarsh> askhl: I imagine that is probably the windows bootloader
[17:07] <MiningMarsh> in the boot order
[17:07] <aq2> k1l_: i followed this http://blogging.dragon.org.uk/ubuntu-minimal-install-with-mate-as-the-desktop-14-04-lts/
[17:08] <aq2> k1l_: network manager and sound not working they didn't get installed
[17:08] <k1l_> aq2: then install them when you know they are missing
[17:08] <askhl> Still boots windows!  *grumble* *grumble*
[17:08] <k1l_> aq2: and that is a ppa you use there
[17:08] <aq2> k1l_: what packages?
[17:08] <aq2> k1l_: yes, just like in the instructions
[17:09] <MiningMarsh> askhl: What bootloader are you trying to get it to boot to?
[17:09] <MiningMarsh> grub2?
[17:09] <k1l_> aq2: "network-manager"
[17:09] <inspector71> if I hit the lubuntu iso startup screen, the one where it pumps a big language menu in front of you, if I pick English and then select Install Lubuntu (instead of "Try lubuntu without installing) ... am I definitely avoiding the live session, even though this option loads a graphical installer?
[17:09] <aq2> installed
[17:09] <aq2> but not loading
[17:09] <csmule> Trying to determine max number of open files allowed for the root user and increasing it. Can someone speed me along?
[17:10] <k1l_> aq2: so look at the logs why its not loading
[17:10] <askhl> MiningMarsh: yes (well, grub in whichever version comes with Ubuntu 14.04)
[17:10] <k1l_> aq2: that is what i said with: you need some knowledge
[17:10] <aq2> thats true...
[17:10] <aq2> but i dont want to start by removing...
[17:10] <MiningMarsh> askhl: Did you install grub manually at all, or did you just use whatever installer was available?
[17:10] <k1l_> aq2: so look into the logs why its not starting or what is missing.
[17:11] <askhl> MiningMarsh: I did a manual partitioning but the installer did the work
[17:11] <k1l_> like there is network-manager-gnome package, too
[17:11] <akik> csmule: /etc/security/limits.conf, nofile, ulimit -n
[17:11] <aq2> k1l_: installed too
[17:11] <aq2> what logs where?
[17:11] <MiningMarsh> askhl: Verify grub is on the ESP, and then it fairly easy to add grub to the UEFI boot order from within windows
[17:11] <askhl> ESP?
[17:11] <k1l_> aq2: what exactly is not working with network manager?
[17:12] <aq2> k1l_: i dont see it in the notification area.
[17:12] <MiningMarsh> askhl: the partition with the bootloaders on it. It will be FAT32, and have a EFI directory in it
[17:12] <aq2> i only see the apps i start myself, thats hexchat and nitroshare
[17:12] <MiningMarsh> askhl: make sure that inside the EFI folder there is a grub folder of some sort
[17:12] <k1l_> aq2: so you dont know if its not working. you just dont have the icon there
[17:12] <askhl> Oh.  I was just now experimenting with a partition that fits the description
[17:12] <aq2> no sound or network
[17:12] <web-developer> Hello! Where I can download Skype for Xubuntu?
[17:12] <aq2> k1l_: aha ok
[17:12] <csmule> akik: After I add a line do I need to reboot for it to take effect? Tnx
[17:12] <askhl> Right now there are two partitions with boot flag and I wanted to try with that one disabled
[17:12] <askhl> (using gparted to toggle the flag)
[17:12] <akik> csmule: yes that could be the best choice
[17:12] <aq2> !skype | web-developer
[17:13] <MonkeyDust> web-developer  enble the partner reopo, then sudo apt update, then sudo apt install skype
[17:13] <MiningMarsh> askhl: ESP is EFI System Partition iirc, it is what UEFI uses to boot. Don't disable that boot flag
[17:13] <askhl> So I have a FAT32 with boot flag as we ll as an ext4
[17:13] <askhl> Alright.  I will keep both boot flags then
[17:14] <askhl> All right*
[17:14] <MiningMarsh> askhl: on the specified partition, can you find a grub.efi somewhere?
[17:14] <MiningMarsh> or a grubx86.efi or something of that sort
[17:15] <k1l_> aq2: look into the mate stuff if you need something to install to list all icons or how that works on mate
[17:15] <aq2> what do you mean?
[17:16] <k1l_> aq2: you used a PPA to install that packages. i dont know what is in that ppa and if its set up properly.
[17:16] <aq2> ok
[17:17] <k1l_> aq2: and i dont have mate. i dont know if you need to install a specific package for the indicators to work or if you need to whitelist stuff etc.
[17:17] <aq2> all instructions seem to install mate with ppa https://alfonsojon.wordpress.com/2014/08/22/make-your-own-ubuntu-14-04-lts-mate-edition/
[17:18] <askhl> I found (mount-dir)/EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi
[17:18] <askhl> MiningMarsh: ^
[17:18] <aq2> can anyone recommend a good usb image writing program?
[17:18] <aq2> on mint i used its default image writer but i dont want to isntall that on ubuntu.
[17:18] <cfhowlett> aq2, no shortage of them in the software center
[17:18] <aq2> Ok
[17:19] <aq2> i need to install that first :)
[17:19] <MiningMarsh> askhl: good. Do you have windows, or ubuntu pulled up?
[17:19] <askhl> ubuntu live presently
[17:19] <MiningMarsh> askhl: see if you have efibootmgr, install it if you do not
[17:19] <MiningMarsh> I think it is its own package
[17:20] <askhl> MiningMarsh: installed successfully
[17:20] <MiningMarsh> askhl: pastebin the output of `efibootmgr`
[17:21] <Bashing-om> aq2: This ? : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb <- mkusb - tool to create boot drives . A PPA and not supported in this channel .
[17:21] <askhl> MiningMarsh: There is zero output
[17:21] <aq2> no ppa's supported here?
[17:21] <aq2> Ok
[17:21] <MiningMarsh> askhl: are you tunning it as root?
[17:21] <cfhowlett> !ppa | aq2
[17:21] <askhl> MiningMarsh: Stand by for output :)
[17:22] <eikon81g> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj8463loqLKAhVO6mMKHQpCByAQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pendrivelinux.com%2Funiversal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3%2F&usg=AFQjCNGdSazRNs32lEZo8ZfvenfYK9ML_A&sig2=HbHX5fDds2vSp-NVtq-wmg&bvm=bv.111396085,d.cGc
[17:22] <EriC^^> askhl: hp laptop?
[17:22] <eikon81g> http://unetbootin.github.io/
[17:22] <eikon81g> universal boot manager and unetbootin are easy ways to create bootable usbs
[17:23] <askhl> EriC^^: yes.  Not good at using it yet :(
[17:24] <EriC^^> askhl: most hp laptops are hardcoded to boot only the windows efi files, i have one as well
[17:24] <MiningMarsh> EriC^^: Really? They don't obey the standard EFI commands for changing boot order?
[17:24] <MiningMarsh> a shame
[17:24] <EriC^^> could help you with it if you want
[17:24] <askhl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14470862/
[17:25] <EriC^^> MiningMarsh: nope, the uefi resets it when it starts up
[17:25] <askhl> EriC^^: oh no.  That sounds horrible.
[17:25] <askhl> MiningMarsh: pasted ^
[17:25] <EriC^^> it's ok most of the time, do you want to give it a go?
[17:25] <MiningMarsh> We can still try the normal solution first
[17:25] <MiningMarsh> I would imagine
[17:25] <askhl> EriC^^: Any way to fix this?
[17:26] <EriC^^> askhl: yeah, you can switch the efi files to trick the bios into booting ubuntu ( which it thinks is windows )
[17:27] <MiningMarsh> askhl: sudo efibootmgr -o 2001,0002,0001,3001,2002,2004
[17:27] <MiningMarsh> I think I got those in the right order
[17:27] <askhl> Ahh, interesting
[17:27] <askhl> I also saw a post on internet where they interchange two files or so
[17:27] <MiningMarsh> askhl: the EFI load order had windows before ubuntu
[17:27] <MiningMarsh> askhl: try that and reboot, you can try the HP fix if it doesn't work
[17:28] <EriC^^> it'll reset most likely, you could try though no harm
[17:28] <askhl> Say, what if something messes up with the -o <....> ?
[17:28] <MiningMarsh> it won't do any damage
[17:28] <MiningMarsh> askhl: if grub fails to boot, it will fallback on windows again
[17:28] <askhl> Okay, seems reasonable
[17:29] <MiningMarsh> askhl: and usb still boots first with that config
[17:29] <EriC^^> askhl: if it doesn't boot, press f9 when the pc starts and select ubuntu
[17:29] <askhl> and I could write another permutation to undo any damage
[17:29] <MiningMarsh> askhl: yeah
[17:29] <MiningMarsh> askhl: you can also change that order in windows, different commands though
[17:29] <EriC^^> it'll be boot ubuntu, then you can fix it so it boots it automatically
[17:30] <onezuff> i'm runnung ubuntu 14 on a very small VPS with 64MB of ram. how do i disable services from starting that I don't need?
[17:30] <EriC^^> onezuff: try service --status-all to get a list first
[17:31] <EriC^^> sometimes you can disable with update-rc.d -f <service> disable
[17:31] <onezuff> nice EriC^^ it shows some stuff, everything with a + is started on boot?
[17:32] <EriC^^> yeah that's already running
[17:32] <MiningMarsh> I think even systemd maintains the `service` syntax, right?
[17:32] <askhl> It says boot entry 2002 does not exist.  This is surprising because 2002 is one of the numbers listed above.
[17:32] <EriC^^> MiningMarsh: yeah
[17:32] <askhl> But also the line-by-line list does not contain that number.
[17:32] <MiningMarsh> askhl: oh hey, how weird
[17:32] <MiningMarsh> askhl: try it without the 2002 then
[17:33] <MiningMarsh> askhl: Perhaps it was an old bootloader that got deleted?
[17:33] <askhl> Also 2004 did not exist.  I removed them, they are last anyway...
[17:33] <MiningMarsh> yeah
[17:33] <MiningMarsh> windows was before them anyways
[17:33] <askhl> So I try to restart now!
[17:33] <fishscene> Greetings. I'm trying to write a script so that I don't have to keep updating it every time there's a new ubuntu being worked on.  Is there a way to execute the command so that it subsitutes * with whatever is listed on the webpage? "zsync -i $dldir http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/*-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[17:33] <askhl> (right?)
[17:33] <MiningMarsh> askhl: yes
[17:34] <EriC^^> fishscene: what's usually there?
[17:34] <askhl> Blast my eyes!  It still loads windows.
[17:35] <EriC^^> askhl: try f9 when the pc boots
[17:35] <eikon81g> On my hp I have to press Esc
[17:35] <eikon81g> then fn - f9
[17:35] <EriC^^> eikon81g: esc works, then f9
[17:35] <fishscene> For example, right now, the * would be "xenial". But as soon as they start working on another Ubuntu version, "Xenial" will change to a Z name ("zebra" for example)
[17:35] <EriC^^> i can do either, f9 straight away works too
[17:35] <eikon81g> then select the usb flash drive I am running
[17:36] <askhl> Looks like entry 2 and entry 3 should be interchanged, if that can be the issue.
[17:36] <askhl> It lists 1) USB 2) OS boot manager UEFI - windows, 3) OS boot manager UEFI - ubuntu
[17:36] <askhl> So I do another permutation and then it should work?
[17:36] <EriC^^> fishscene: so it's not that often that happens
[17:36] <onezuff> EriC^^, it seems that most of the things i can't disable using that update-rc.d disable like the cron service
[17:37] <fishscene> EriC^^: Correct. But as with all my scripts, I learn from each one. :) I'm just not even sure what to google for here.
[17:37] <EriC^^> fishscene: well, logically the only way it could get that would be to get the link before it so it knows the name
[17:37] <EriC^^> or check another page that has the name of the new distro and feed it in
[17:38] <swat30> are there some issues w/ Ubuntu security repo ATM? getting hash sum errors on trusty machines
[17:38] <EriC^^> i guess, not sure how zsync works
[17:38] <onezuff> how can i disable the other things EriC^^ ?
[17:38] <EriC^^> onezuff: i think you'd need to mess with /etc/init and /etc/init.d
[17:38] <fishscene> Zsync is easy, I placed it there for context. It's getting the variable URL into bash that I'm trying to figure out. :)
[17:39] <limez> hey! anybody got time to help me debug a problem? i cant get past the login screen. after a successful login with any accout i get thrown back at the login screen immediately
[17:39] <onezuff> should i delete them from there EriC^^ ?
[17:39] <MiningMarsh> fishscene: this worked for me
[17:39] <MiningMarsh> fishscene: echo $(curl 'http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/' -s | egrep -o 'href=".*-desktop-amd64[.]iso[.]zsync"' | cut -f2 -d'"')
[17:39] <EriC^^> onezuff: or you could kill them after the pc starts using /etc/rc.local i guess
[17:39] <EriC^^> probably /etc/init is better
[17:39] <eikon81g> limez, are you running a funll install of ubuntu or a usb install
[17:39] <EriC^^> onezuff: no you have to modify the scripts, look into how ssh can be disabled as it has to be disabled that way
[17:40] <limez> full install 14.04, system ran w/o problems for over a year
[17:40] <MiningMarsh> askhl: looks like what EriC^^ was saying was correct
[17:40] <MiningMarsh> they have some terrible UEFI implementation
[17:41] <eikon81g> limez, did you make any changes recently? when you get kicked back to the login screen are you able to log back in?
[17:41] <fishscene> MiningMarsh:  Thanks! I'll check that out in a bit.
[17:41] <limez> when i login with lightmd/unity-greeter it seems as if my desktop would load for half a second but then im back on the login screen without an error
[17:42] <onezuff> thanks EriC^^
[17:42] <Vey> hi guys!
[17:42] <Vey> can Ubuntu runs on a NTFS usb stick?
[17:42] <limez> actually there is an error popup on the gui but i cant read it cause it seems to crash immediately :P
[17:42] <EriC^^> limez: press ctrl+alt+f1 to get a tty, login and type ls -l ~/.Xauthority , check the owner then press alt+f7 to get back here
[17:42] <BluesKaj> thank God I have backflash and legacy BIOS mode on my laptop, UEFI was a pita when I received the laptop so i just wiped it clean and started from scratch
[17:43] <askhl> Well, presently it first says USB, then "Windows boot manager".  Why not set grub to number 2 if somehow possible?
[17:43] <EriC^^> Vey: why'd you want to do that, give it it's own partition on the stick
[17:43] <MiningMarsh> Vey: yes.
[17:43] <Vey> just wondering if its possible
[17:43] <Vey> so its possible...
[17:43] <fishscene> MiningMarsh: It totally worked! Thanks! I'll add this to my notes for future reference too. :)
[17:43] <askhl> well, I have no clue what I am talking about obviously...
[17:43] <MiningMarsh> askhl: We tried reordering and apparently it didn't work
[17:43] <MiningMarsh> askhl: You could try, I just don't think the reordering is going to stick after reboot
[17:43] <EriC^^> Vey: um, it's pretty possible but silly
[17:44] <MiningMarsh> askhl: ask EriC^^ about his HP fix
[17:44] <EriC^^> you'd have to use wubi or something on that stick
[17:44] <MiningMarsh> fishscene: np.
[17:44] <limez> already checked that, .Xauthority, .ICEauthority and /tmp permissions are correctly set. i doubt it has anything to do with my $HOME as login with other accounts and guest also fails
[17:44] <EriC^^> which in itself is an abomination
[17:44] <MiningMarsh> EriC^^: I know ubuntu used to support loopback mounting a file as its persistent via overlayfs a bit back
[17:45] <EriC^^> limez: oh, did you change the graphics drivers recently?
[17:45] <MiningMarsh> similair to puppy linux
[17:45] <MiningMarsh> if you don't need th persistence, it is trivial with grub
[17:45] <MiningMarsh> just chainload the iso
[17:45] <TheEagerPadawan> any here that has experiences with minicom and serial connections to cisco/juniper gear
[17:45] <askhl> Oh right, it's true.... darn!
[17:45] <limez> EriC^^: not that i can remember :D
[17:45] <askhl> It reverted the previous order, the bastard.
[17:45] <EriC^^> MiningMarsh: oh, i thought he meant he wanted a full fledged install
[17:46] <MiningMarsh> EriC^^: I don't know what he wants :P
[17:46] <EriC^^> limez: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:47] <MiningMarsh> I somehow got lucky and got a machine with a good UEFI implementation, it seems like tons of people get these garbage implementations
[17:47] <MiningMarsh> UEFI is fantastic when it is actually done correctly
[17:47] <limez> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471037/
[17:48] <limez> oh i remember checking out different color profiles for my monitor
[17:48] <limez> maybe i broke something there?
[17:53] <askhl> We did enable legacy boot order instead of UEFI.  Can this be a problem?
[17:54] <askhl> However it is also true that the boot setting actively reverts between boots.  Maybe I should overwrite that file like they do on the internet?
[17:54] <ablegreen_w> I have a bash script. Half of the bash script needs to run as user A. The other half as another user B. How can do this cleanly? The commands to run as user B is ugly -- su B -c "cmd 1; cmd 2". Any ideas?
[17:54] <EriC^^> askhl: if you want i could help you with it, i've literally helped a few hundreds with this issue
[17:55] <askhl> EriC^^: Let it be known that I am *very* happy for all the help!  (Also aq2 and MiningMarsh!)
[17:57] <askhl> Switching the files seems like a relatively simple if ridiculously crude way
[17:57] <EriC^^> well you can either do that or hack the uefi firmware
[17:59] <limez> EriC^^: is the paste of any help? i'm sitting on this problem for more than 6 hours now and i cant find any conclusive log messages anywhere. if u had an idea where to search? everything helps
[17:59] <Satdeep_> hello everyone
[18:00] <Satdeep_> I am new to Ubuntu
[18:00] <EriC^^> askhl: i dont mean to be pushy, but i literally have until the battery on my laptop runs out ( 30-40mins tops ) and if i do help i would want to make sure it all works out, i wouldn't want to start helping and mid way or if something goes wrong you're left with a non booting pc
[18:00] <askhl> Hmm, I think I will switch the files because it seems easier for me to remember when I have to do it again :/
[18:00] <askhl> EriC^^: Thanks for the heads-up
[18:00] <EriC^^> so decide quickly, and you should know there's a little more to it than switching 2 files
[18:00] <kupi> hu
[18:00] <askhl> will do it as quickly as possible
[18:00] <kupi> hi
[18:01] <limez> sorry - i didnt mean to be pushy either ;)
[18:01] <kupi> have anyone built kernel with openmp?
[18:02] <EriC^^> limez: pastebin sudo ubuntu-drivers devices
[18:02] <Satdeep_> Can anyone tell me
[18:02] <EriC^^> askhl: no i mean i can walk you through it if you want
[18:02] <EriC^^> ( it's what i've been hinting at lol )
[18:02] <Satdeep_> how to install Phonetic Input method for Gurmukhi Punjabi ?
[18:03] <mcphail> kupi: what does openmp have to do with the kernel? And what problem have you been having which is Ubuntu related?
[18:04] <kupi> nothing just interested if I could build anything with openmp and with what disadvantages
[18:04] <askhl> EriC^^: I interchanged the files and now I get the grub menu and ubuntu boots!  Windows does not, however, but there's a comment to that effect on the same website
[18:04] <askhl> I think I can manage this
[18:05] <EriC^^> ok
[18:05] <askhl> Hmm, actually there seems to be more trouble still....
[18:06] <limez> EriC^^: uh.. could it be bad that "sudo ubuntu-drivers devices" prints nothing?
[18:06] <askhl> But I also have to do something!  So I think it is a job for a bit later...
[18:06] <EriC^^> limez: nah it's ok, try lspci | grep VGA
[18:06] <askhl> As I said, thank you all very much for the help.  I am sure I will manage to fix it thanks to you.
[18:07] <mcphail> kupi: openmp isn't a magic formula which can be applied to any project. It has to be built with openmp in mind (or have a compiler which can automatically add pragmas). I can't see how it would have any place in the kernel
[18:08] <limez> EriC^^: lspci output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471213/
[18:08] <NO_CARRIER> Is there an appropriate upgrade path to kernel 4.2.8 (or even 4.3.3) for an ubuntu 15.10 user?  Or is it best to wait for the next official release?
[18:09] <Bleakney> I'm still wondering: If you try to use the command macchanger -a with a device, let's say macchanger -a wlan0, does it change the whole address for you?
[18:09] <cfhowlett> NO_CARRIER, absent a profound an explicit, profound need, just wait.
[18:09] <mcphail> NO_CARRIER: there is no upgrade path, nor is there likely to be an upgrade path
[18:10] <Satdeep_> anybody here
[18:10] <Satdeep_> who can help me out ?
[18:10] <limez> just tested: same problem when i remove the monitor and all usb devices from my notebook
[18:12] <lucidguy> enableing iptables, I want icmp echo and the following ports inbound 22,25,443,465,993,7071.. everything else dropped,  am I missing something.. My iptables.rules looks like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471199/
[18:12] <EriC^^> limez: anything in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[18:12] <mcphail> Satdeep_: please ask your question coherently and all on one line. If anyone can help, they will. If you do not get a reply, ask again in 20 minutes as people come and go all the time
[18:13] <EriC^^> limez: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel
[18:15] <mcphail> NO_CARRIER: you have asked a couple of questions about upgrading your kernel. Do you have a specific issue which needs fixed in the current kernel?
[18:15] <limez> EriC^^: .xsession-errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471282/
[18:17] <limez> EriC^^: it seems to take a tick longer now before it crashes back to the login
[18:17] <limez> after installing the package
[18:17] <EriC^^> limez: lightdm logs might show more info
[18:17] <EriC^^> they're in /var/log/lightdm/
[18:17] <Satdeep_> I am new to Ubuntu. I don't see a Phonetic Input method for Punjabi (Gurmukhi). There were some available perhaps in previous versions. I have Ubuntu 14 right now. Can anybody help me? I am willing to do anything possible for this..
[18:17] <EriC^^> limez: lightdm.log and x-0.log
[18:18] <jhon75> how install cocoa in mac os X it's for install enlightenment but depandencis required thx
[18:19] <mcphail> jhon75: I think you're in the wrong channel
[18:19] <jhon75> yes sure
[18:19] <limez> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471310/ - lightdm.log
[18:19] <limez> i tried to login with the normal account and the guest account there
[18:19] <Matty73> Hello guys
[18:21] <jhon75> any help anygood ? e channel don't has my answers
[18:21] <kupi> mcphail, so some packages would fail with openmg?
[18:21] <MiningMarsh> lucidguy: remove that last rule
[18:21] <MiningMarsh> the drop one
[18:21] <MiningMarsh> replace it with
[18:22] <MiningMarsh> -P INPUT DROP
[18:22] <EriC^^> limez: did you try an older kernel?
[18:22] <mcphail> kupi: I don't think your question even makes sense. And it is offtopic for this channel, which is for ubuntu support
[18:22] <limez> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471334/ - x-0-greeter.log this actually looks like an error but i cant pin it down
[18:22] <limez> EriC^^: i dont think so, at least not on purpose
[18:23] <Satdeep_> I don't see a Phonetic Input method for Punjabi (Gurmukhi). There were some available perhaps in previous versions. I have Ubuntu 14 right now. Can anybody help me? I am willing to do anything possible for this..
[18:23] <kupi> mcphail, i know, just i don't know a better linux related active channel
[18:23] <EriC^^> the critical error is about the networkmanager applet
[18:24] <limez> the thing that pops up when i connect to wifi?
[18:24] <EriC^^> yeah the thing at the top right corner
[18:24] <EriC^^> limez: try typing DISPLAY=:1 startx xterm
[18:25] <EriC^^> or just startx
[18:25] <denis2_> bonjour j'ai besoin d'aide
[18:25] <EriC^^> it should give a desktop without the launcher and no nm-applet
[18:26] <rww> denis2_: English here, please. French-language support is in #ubuntu-fr
[18:26] <denis2_> ok rww thank you
[18:26] <limez> EriC^^: i got a black screen for a second, then the x.org output including a warning
[18:27] <rafael> hola
[18:27] <Chicken_Wrap> Hello.
[18:27] <EriC^^> limez: try just DISPLAY=:1 startx
[18:27] <limez> EriC^^: The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning, Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols
[18:28] <Guest55026> He instalado guadalinex v.9 pero non tiene boton de apagado
[18:28] <jhon75> go return
[18:28] <limez> same with DISPLAY=:1
[18:28] <EriC^^> limez: did you try an older kernel?
[18:29] <denis2_> hi i want a sound my speaker in portable computer is open, why i don't sound exit on my speaker ?
[18:29] <limez> EriC^^: not that i remember, how do i check? is the output from x relevant?
[18:29] <NO_CARRIER> mcphail: yes, there is a crash bug with btrfs balance commands. ref http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-btrfs/msg49766.html & https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1529146
[18:29] <Gallomimia> EriC^^: maybe you should tell limez why he should do so. he said the last time you asked "not on purpose"
[18:29] <denis2_> who can help me ?
[18:30] <Gallomimia> denis2_: what kinds of settings have you played with in sound?
[18:30] <mcphail> NO_CARRIER: you can try a kernel from the mainline repo, but the userspace btrfs-tools package won't be updated...
[18:30] <mcphail> !mainline | NO_CARRIER
[18:30] <EriC^^> Gallomimia: oh, thanks, didn't see that
[18:30] <limez> uname -a is "Linux xps 3.13.0-74-generic #118-Ubuntu SMP [...]"
[18:30] <NO_CARRIER> mcphail: yeah if I were to upgrade kernel I would also subsequently upgrade the btrfs-tools but as you say this approach isn't ideal
[18:30] <denis2_> yesturday is ok but that is morning is not ok why ?
[18:31] <Gallomimia> denis2_: oh. i've heard of problems like that before... some things on google to find
[18:31] <EriC^^> limez: try an older kernel from grub, it might be a bug and it might get fixed in a kernel soon
[18:31] <AndChat464025> Hi
[18:31] <mcphail> NO_CARRIER: you usually don't need to update btrfs-tools with the kernel, but they occasionally break compatibility
[18:31] <Satdeep_> I don't see a Phonetic Input method for Punjabi (Gurmukhi). There were some available perhaps in previous versions. I have Ubuntu 14 right now. Can anybody help me? I am willing to do anything possible for this..
[18:31] <EriC^^> limez: hold shift to get grub > advanced > choose an older kernel
[18:31] <Satdeep_> I guess i must be sleeping now
[18:31] <Satdeep_> :)
[18:31] <Gallomimia> denis2_: i think... sound level set to zero by a bug. try changing volume
[18:31] <Gallomimia> mute
[18:32] <denis2_> i try change the card sound ?
[18:32] <Gallomimia> volume
[18:33] <limez> EriC^^: uh.. hold shift while booting, right?
[18:33] <EriC^^> limez: yeah
[18:34] <Layl> Heya, I'm thinking of giving ubuntu another try and I just want to ask, what kind of performance can you get out of a windows VM on ubuntu
[18:35] <limez> EriC^^: is grub available per default? should it be available via 'grub' in the terminal?
[18:35] <Layl> unfortunately, I do have plenty of windows stuff I still need to run, but if I can get like... 95% CPU/GPU performance that's enough
[18:35] <Gallomimia> Layl: i hear it's pretty good. but there's also WiNE
[18:35] <MiningMarsh> Layl: You can get plenty of CPU performance. GPU not so much in my experience.
[18:35] <MiningMarsh> Layl: but wine tends to work fine for most stuff
[18:35] <Layl> what about GPU pass-through?
[18:35] <Gallomimia> in wine the gpu performance is better. but usually limited to dx9
[18:36] <Gallomimia> it would be pertinent to know what kinds of "windows stuff" you need to run
[18:37] <Layl> a variety of things, visual studio is a big one
[18:37] <Layl> steam and very performance intensive games
[18:37] <EriC^^> limez: i dont follow, what do you mean?
[18:37] <Layl> some dx11 stuff so wine's not an option
[18:37] <EriC^^> limez: you can get a grub shell i think, but it's pretty useless
[18:37] <Gallomimia> ah. i might recommend against it. but i've heard it can be done. a VM could do it for that.
[18:37] <Gallomimia> as for the games, i do that. it works fine
[18:37] <mcphail> Layl: virtualisation isn't going to work well enough for you, even with gpu passthrough
[18:37] <nomic> you can use the grub shell to insert things
[18:38] <Layl> darn, I was under the impression you could get pretty decent performance out of it with KVM
[18:38] <Gallomimia> dx11 is possible, but i've had trouble getting it to work, so ymmv
[18:38] <EriC^^> nomic: while the pc is booted already?
[18:38] <limez> EriC^^: rebooted a few times holding shift down, but grub didnt show up. maybe i have to set it up first?
[18:38] <EriC^^> ( in linux )
[18:38] <MiningMarsh> Layl: wine doesn't do DX11 yet?
[18:38] <EriC^^> limez: try esc
[18:39] <mcphail> Layl: from what I've seen, it is a fiddle to set up, generally requires a second video card, and doesn't work very well. Good enough for desktop effects but not for hardcore gaming
[18:39] <Gallomimia> that was my impression MiningMarsh. but there's stuff out there to get it to work
[18:39] <EriC^^> limez: it should already be set up
[18:39] <Layl> MiningMarsh, even if it did I'm kiiindaaa skeptical about the solidity of the drivers on linux
[18:39] <EriC^^> limez: try to disable fast boot in the bios
[18:39] <Layl> mcphail, well, I do have a second GPU if I really need it
[18:40] <Layl> kinda a shame though if it's not good enough for general gaming
[18:40] <Layl> windows games and game dev are the things that are really keeping me from switching over
[18:41] <kvj> daftykins: or cfw around ?
[18:41] <EriC^^> limez: my battery is about to die, i might be back if i can
[18:42] <kvj> How can i memtest
[18:42] <mcphail> Layl: Many of the Valve devs have switched from vstudio to qtcreator, even on Windows. Have you seen if that meets your IDE needs? Hardocre gaming isn't there yet
[18:42] <kvj> My system dont recognises memory to boot OS
[18:43] <kvj> Now it started and shows option for memtest86+ and memtest86+ serial console 115200
[18:43] <Layl> mcphail, oh I personally switched over to atom about a year ago
[18:43] <Layl> unfortunately, my school didn't
[18:43] <limez> EriC^^: thanks for ur help!!
[18:44] <limez> ah
[18:44] <limez> too late
[18:44] <kvj> Anyone ???
[18:44] <Gallomimia> Layl: please enumerate the brand of your GPU at this time.
[18:45] <Layl> Gallomimia, I've currently got an NVIDIA card
[18:45] <Layl> I've got another one gathering dust in some anti-static packaging
[18:46] <kvj> How to memtest ?
[18:46] <nicomachus> !memtest | kvj
[18:46] <Chicken_Wrap> kvj: Can't you boot into GRUB and memtest?
[18:46] <mcphail> Layl: by all means, give it a try (if your hardware supports virtualisation). But all the demos I saw of GPU passthrough were disappointing
[18:46] <nicomachus> booo. kvj: https://askubuntu.com/questions/591488/how-do-i-run-memtest86/591502
[18:46] <ioria> kvj,  from a LiveCD
[18:47] <kvj> Ok im doing it right now
[18:48] <kvj> Anything you people want to tell about memtest ?
[18:48] <Layl> mcphail, I don't know if I can get ever close to a decent try from trying to start my current windows install through qemu on a livecd
[18:48] <ioria> kvj,  yes, it takes a long time
[18:48] <Gallomimia> Layl nvidia drivers are pretty good. you need to use closed-source drivers, but my card pulls in consistent 60fps at 2560x1400 in linux native games. i haven't tried the WINE installs lately, but it ran WoW just fine, and EVE. i struggled with steam games over a year ago
[18:49] <Layl> WoW and EVE aren't that graphics intensive games though
[18:49] <Gallomimia> nah
[18:49] <Layl> my current setup can pull 70-100 on the witcher 3 at reasonably high settings with hairworks on
[18:49] <Gallomimia> i had a go at oblivion
[18:49] <Layl> it would be a shame to lose all that
[18:49] <Gallomimia> and i'm going to try witcher 2
[18:49] <kvj> ioria: ok
[18:49] <cryptonita> Hi con someone tell me whitch serve the irc  the anonhq?
[18:49] <kvj> I will wait
[18:50] <kvj> 10% pass
[18:50] <Gallomimia> Layl i'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the world needs someone like you to try the games in both setups and report back.
[18:50] <Gallomimia> i humbly request you dual boot, give it a go, and post about it
[18:50] <Layl> unfortunately, I don't exactly have the free time to do such a thing in a very demanding game development study
[18:51] <Gallomimia> then... why do you want to get into linux so bad?
[18:51] <mcphail> Layl: personally, I owuldn't try this form a liveCD. Too much experimentation required for kernel parameters, drivers, etc. Can you add another HD for the ubuntu install (plus a backup of your windows permission in case qemu breaks it)?
[18:51] <Layl> because windows is gradually picking away at my patience
[18:51] <mcphail> s/permission/partition
[18:51] <Gallomimia> yep.
[18:51] <Gallomimia> are you able to run 2 boxes?
[18:52] <Gallomimia> cause i'd run linux as a destkop while using some kind of streaming technology to view the screen of a windows machine
[18:52] <Layl> mcphail, I could, I think I have a spare HDD and another slot in my PC where it could be hooked up
[18:52] <Layl> I guess you can use steam streaming
[18:52] <Gallomimia> yes. and there's other technology out there to do it.
[18:52] <Gallomimia> probably the stuff valve grabbed off the shelf to implement their own
[18:52] <Bashing-om> cryptonita: I do not understand your question . Please rephrase .
[18:52] <mcphail> Indeed. Steam streaming works well
[18:52] <Layl> that would be quite the investment though
[18:52] <Gallomimia> haven't tried it yet.
[18:53] <Layl> I would have to set up a separate box for streaming
[18:53] <Gallomimia> oh well if you don't have a second box, not feasible.
[18:53] <MiningMarsh> wine depends on the game
[18:53] <MiningMarsh> some games run faster under wine
[18:53] <Layl> I do have a separate box but it's a really old media pc
[18:53] <MiningMarsh> some slower. Just have to try them out
[18:53] <Gallomimia> but yeah. my patience went out the door for windows long ago. now my patience for mac is gone too. my patience for linux goes a long way because they don't charge money for their product
[18:53] <nicomachus> #gamingonlinux also exists, FYI, and is a great resource.
[18:54] <Layl> iirc my CPU does have VT-d support
[18:54] <Gallomimia> thanks nicomachus
[18:54] <denis2_> how i can dowload film in my computer i have Linux LUbuntu ?
[18:55] <Layl> intel specs page says yes
[18:55] <Gallomimia> denis2_: can you be more specific?
[18:55] <genii> denis2_: Find a decent scanner with film scanning attachments
[18:56] <lucidguy> MiningMarsh: how is that different?
[18:56] <denis2_> yes Gallomimia i want download a movie in youtube on my computer, how can i ?
[18:56] <Gallomimia> i use keep vid dot com or downvids dot net
[18:56] <ioria>  !info youtube-dl
[18:57] <Gallomimia> nice.
[18:57] <Gallomimia> oh my. is that open source??
[18:57] <ioria> sometimes fails
[18:57] <Chicken_Wrap> !info tree
[18:58] <Chicken_Wrap> !tree
[18:58] <akik> !info any-dl
[18:58] <denis2_> ok thank you
[18:58] <denis2_> i try that
[18:58] <Gallomimia> the reasons for yt downloading failures is when the specific video requires you to login and prove age or location or it's private or something.
[18:58] <ioria> think so
[18:58] <denis2_> yes i say Gallomimia
[18:59] <Gallomimia> thanks ioria and denis2_ made my day
[18:59] <ioria> ^_^
[19:05] <wonderworld> i checked my assigned IPs with "ip addr".  besides my self configured IP 192.168.1.1 I noticed a second line: inet 192.168.1.111/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global secondary net0
[19:05] <limez> EriC^^: to the rescue! :P i managed to get into grub. seems you need to have the right timing holding shift down. i pressed it too early
[19:05] <wonderworld> i can't remember having configured this and was wondering how to find out where it is coming from?
[19:06] <akik> wonderworld: try "grep dhclient /var/log/syslog"
[19:08] <akik> wonderworld: is 192.168.1.111 on another interface than 192.168.1.1 ?
[19:08] <wonderworld> akik: i can only find my "real" IP there i get from my DHCP server.... so I guess some process must have configured this. it not coming from DHCP
[19:08] <weng> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Fe1hqMUO/IMG_1809.PNG
[19:08] <wonderworld> nope, both on the same interface (net0) which is my LAN interface
[19:08] <weng> new os based on android for pc
[19:09] <akik> wonderworld: can you find the 192.168.1.111 in some other log file under /var/log ?
[19:10] <wonderworld> no. strange thing
[19:11] <akik> wonderworld: what version of ubuntu is this that the lan interface is net0?
[19:11] <wonderworld> dow sorry, wrong chan, sorry, i am using arch
[19:11] <akik> :)
[19:11] <wonderworld> but the problem might be the same :)
[19:11] <cryptonita> !ping
[19:12] <wonderworld> thanks anyway
[19:12] <cryptonita> Pong!
[19:12] <EriC^^> limez: cool, any luck with the kernel?
[19:14] <limez> EriC^^: no, not yet. i tried the oldest available (which was 3.13.0-32) and i was stuck at "loading initial ram disk". gonna try another one now
[19:15] <limez> EriC^^: 3.13.0.-48 loaded but the problem on the loginscreen persists
[19:16] <michel____> i formated my external harddrive with ext2 but when i bind it in i do not have right to write on it? why and how to solve it
[19:17] <akik> michel____: re-format it to either ext3 or ext3. then "sudo chown username /media/username/nnnn"
[19:18] <akik> ext3 or ext4
[19:18] <michel____> akik: i need it to have ext2 because of no journal
[19:19] <akik> ok
[19:19] <MiningMarsh> michel____: you can run ext3/4 without a journal
[19:19] <MiningMarsh> they have some speed improvements
[19:19] <MiningMarsh> so it is worth using them even without the journal
[19:20] <EriC^^> limez: that sucks
[19:20] <EriC^^> limez: when did the problem start?
[19:21] <limez> EriC^^: yesterday i did some cleanup, removed old stuff updated my ide's and everything worked fine. i shut it down and today i couldnt log in :s
[19:22] <EriC^^> when was the last time you had rebooted before that?
[19:22] <limez> EriC^^: i usually do a shutdown once a day
[19:23] <EriC^^> ok, maybe /var/log/apt/history.log can show what was installed
[19:23] <michel____> MiningMarsh: i am going to put the harddrive into my router to use it as NAS. according to avm the i should format the drive with fast32 or ext2 because the system running on it is linux based
[19:23] <MiningMarsh> I see
[19:24] <limez> EriC^^: i wrote some xset command in a file in /etc/X11 to improve my mousepointer speec. im gonna search for that one first. just a minute :)
[19:24] <EriC^^> limez: you could try sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver xserver-xorg xserver-org-core and see what happens
[19:24] <EriC^^> limez: ok
[19:25] <kvj> ioria: its still testing
[19:26] <kvj> Is it fine ECC is disabled ?
[19:27] <kvj> Anyone of you can answer
[19:28] <David--> i updated my server last night and since rebooting i cannot open an ssh connection. I have access over the KVM though. Can anyone help me fix it?
[19:29] <Bashing-om> kvj: ECC is error checking within the ram chip and that function is expensive, and rarly done in desk top systems .
[19:29] <kvj> Its laptop
[19:29] <michel____> akik: used chown to change its permissions but i am still noch able to write on it
[19:29] <kvj> Bashing-om
[19:29] <tgm4883> kvj: he means, rarely done in non-server systems
[19:29] <kvj> Ok
[19:30] <limez> EriC^^: hm. apt tells me that xserver is a virtual package and i have to select one of a list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471821/
[19:31] <akik> michel____: can you pastebin "ls -al /media/username" ?
[19:31] <platz> been experiencing system hangs lately, best way to troubleshoot?
[19:31] <EriC^^> limez: hmm, can you pastebin dpkg -l | grep xserver ?
[19:31] <x2xx3x> David: is the service running? ip change? and have you got physically accsess to that machine?
[19:32] <kvj> I did memtest  and at the bottom i got message pass complete , no errors , press esc to exit
[19:32] <limez> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471838/
[19:34] <michel____> akik: drwxr-xr-x  2 michel users   40 11. Jan 20:25 My Passport
[19:34] <akik> michel____: so it looks like the michel user can write to that directory "My Passport"
[19:35] <x2xx3x> is it running on a virtual machine? then im out of that konversation.
[19:35] <SubCool> im trying to add a cifs share to my fstab, but my templete i had on my old system was lost.
[19:35] <SubCool> THis is what i pieced together.
[19:35] <SubCool> /192.168.1.161/mnt/Storage /mnt/Storage 		ext4	-rw,_netdev,     0 0
[19:35] <michel____> akik:  i cant :(
[19:36] <EriC^^> limez: is this a vm?
[19:36] <EriC^^> limez: try dpkg -l | grep mesa
[19:36] <SubCool> mount: special device //192.168.1.161/mnt/Storage does not exist
[19:36] <limez> EriC^^: nah its a work machine, thats why im so desperately trying to get it to work :P
[19:37] <akik> michel____: "touch /media/michel/My\ Passport/test" that should create an empty file there
[19:37] <limez> EriC^^: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471866/
[19:39] <michel____> akik got it
[19:41] <EriC^^> limez: which ubuntu is this
[19:41] <EriC^^> type cat /etc/issue
[19:41] <limez> 14.04
[19:42] <limez> 14.04.3 LTS
[19:42] <limez> and a newline :)
[19:42] <EriC^^> :D
[19:42] <EriC^^> did history.log show any interesting stuff?
[19:43] <EriC^^> i've the same mesa packages you have, except you seem to have the i386 versions removed
[19:43] <EriC^^> this is mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/14471912/
[19:47] <limez> EriC^^: my history.log unfortunately is a huge mess, i removed lots of packages the last days.. i should reboot more often to check if my system still works after removing a package :s
[19:49] <EriC^^> limez: did you try removing what was added in /etc/X11 ?
[19:49] <limez> EriC^^: how do i open a .gz file? can vim do that?
[19:49] <sergiu_> Hi, it is normal when cumputer is getting critical temperature, 70celsius?
[19:49] <EriC^^> did you add anything to /etc/profile ? or /etc/bash.bashrc ?
[19:49] <anonymous287> waw ubuntu is very powerfull
[19:49] <EriC^^> limez: less can handle .gz 'd log files
[19:49] <EriC^^> less /path/to/log
[19:50] <sergiu_> ubuntu x64 is powerfull
[19:50] <sergiu_> ubuntu 32 is not
[19:50] <sergiu_> :D
[19:50] <Gallomimia> anonymous287: welcome. hope you enjoy
[19:50] <anonymous287> that s right
[19:50] <limez> EriC^^: nah nothing, i mostly installed webstorm and removed a few .desktop entries from /usr/share/applications
[19:51] <anonymous287> i used ubuntu 32 with only 2gb of ram and it was very slow
[19:51] <Rhapsody> I have a 64GB USB stick and I want to try out Ubuntu, but I don't want to install it. Some of the things I want to do to see how they work require rebooting Ubuntu. Thing is, without installing it, the copy on the USB stick is always fresh after rebooting.
[19:51] <sergiu_> better install ubuntu 64 to ensure all apps will work
[19:51] <anonymous287> but now i m using ubuntu 64 with 4gb of ram and it waw
[19:51] <Rhapsody> Is there a way I can make a USB stick act like an actual installation of Ubuntu so it doesn't erase the changes on reboot?
[19:52] <Gallomimia> Rhapsody: my solution in that case is to use a second thumbstick with the ubuntu installer, and install ubuntu to the 64gb stick
[19:52] <Rhapsody> Uh, would that make changes to the bootloader then?
[19:52] <Gallomimia> i guess it should be possible to install on the same thumbstick with partitioning
[19:52] <Gallomimia> Rhapsody: only the bootloader on the thumbstick is affected
[19:53] <Rhapsody> Gotcha, so I would still boot into it through the Windows bootloader.
[19:53] <Rhapsody> I'll give it a shot, thanks.
[19:53] <Gallomimia> i do recommend separate thumbsticks. if you have an older one of only 8gb use that for installer/liveUSB
[19:54] <Bashing-om> !persistence
[19:54] <limez> EriC^^: and i moved some software from my /home to /opt
[19:54] <ioria> Rhapsody, you can also try persistent   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence
[19:54] <Rhapsody> I've got a 16GB and 64GB one, I'll use the 16GB as the installer
[19:54] <Bashing-om> Rhapsody: ^^
[19:54] <Gallomimia> oh that can help. i find the installed on a stick to be more of a "just like a real install" experience
[19:54] <Gallomimia> i ran my system off a thumbstick for 2-3 weeks with no issues
[19:55] <anonymous287> is there better than Kazam? ( i hate the sound tsssssssschhhhhhhhh )
[19:55] <Gallomimia> how old is kazam??
[19:55] <Rhapsody> Bashing-om: ioria: Is there a way to set up persistence from Windows so I don't have to load up Ubuntu again prior?
[19:56] <anonymous287> 1.4.5
[19:56] <Gallomimia> partition that stick with a FAT32 volume and you can put files on there to be read by the ubuntu os
[19:56] <Gallomimia> anonymous287: i meant what decade??
[19:57] <ioria> Rhapsody, http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/
[19:57] <Rhapsody> ioria: I'll give it a look, thanks
[19:57] <Gallomimia> anonymous287: okay that's not what i thought it was :)
[19:57] <Chicken_Wrap> I've heard good things about SimpleScreenRecorder, anonymous287.
[19:57] <ioria> Rhapsody, np
[19:58] <anonymous287> chicken_wrap but which is the best configuration ? that is the problem
[19:58] <anonymous287> *what
[19:58] <Chicken_Wrap> What do you mean, anonymous287? The configuration is up to you.
[19:59] <anonymous287> i dont speak about ram or other
[19:59] <anonymous287> but the configuration of the software,  number of picture per second and other
[19:59] <Gallomimia> depends on how fast all your stuff goes
[19:59] <Chicken_Wrap> ^]
[20:00] <Chicken_Wrap> better just to give it a shot, anonymous287.
[20:00] <Rhapsody> On another note, should Ubuntu strike my fancy, is there a way to continue using the Win10 bootloader instead of GRUB?
[20:00] <Chicken_Wrap> See for yourself.
[20:00] <Chicken_Wrap> *Better.
[20:00] <Gallomimia> Rhapsody: i don't think they're necessarily exclusive. it's possible to chainload bootloaders
[20:01] <Chicken_Wrap> anonymous287: http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/
[20:02] <akik> Rhapsody: at least on win7 and win8 it's possible
[20:02] <anonymous287> what do you think about gnome shell? it has a screen recorder
[20:02] <Chicken_Wrap> I can't vouch for how well it works or how secure it is because PPAs scare me.
[20:02] <anonymous287> (screencast)
[20:03] <Gallomimia> ppa's scare you? more than official repos?
[20:03] <ioria> anonymous287, you can use import with imagemagick
[20:04] <ioria> anonymous287, in this way you can select what you want
[20:04] <limez> EriC^^: maybe you can find something fishy, thats the apt/history.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14472061/
[20:04] <tgm4883> saying "PPAs scare me" is like saying "Chicken scares me"
[20:04] <platz> been experiencing system hangs lately, best way to troubleshoot?
[20:05] <EriC^^> limez: did you reinstall grub2 after the last command?
[20:05] <EriC^^> cause sudo apt-get install will install grub legacy
[20:05] <anonymous287> ok thanks
[20:06] <Chicken_Wrap> Yes, Gallomimia.
[20:06] <limez> EriC^^: i wasnt sure if i need to install grub before, i dont think it broke something. at least nothing more :P
[20:06] <EriC^^> you got to reinstall it though
[20:06] <EriC^^> it removed grub2
[20:06] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get install grub2
[20:07] <anonymous287> what is the best configuration of   Bit Rate=72.2 Mb/s  and   Tx-Power=20 dBm
[20:07] <limez> are you sure? i think i was using grub2 30 mins ago
[20:07] <limez> oh
[20:08] <limez> it automatically removes grub2 when i install grub? that wasnt smart by me. thanks for noticing
[20:08] <Saulo> HAUHUAHAUHUAHUAHUAHUAHUA
[20:09] <anonymous287> what is the best ram band ??
[20:09] <Bolt2strike> Hardware question...
[20:10] <anonymous287> there is a hardware channel???
[20:10] <Bolt2strike> Think so
[20:10] <EriC^^> limez: when you installed gdm it was already broke?
[20:10] <nicomachus> ##hardware
[20:10] <BluesKaj> Saulo, do you have a question?
[20:10] <Saulo> BluesKaj: no have!
[20:10] <anonymous287> cool
[20:10] <anonymous287> (i m new here so)
[20:10] <Bolt2strike> Don't worry (I am too)
[20:10] <EriC^^> limez: seems you installed gdm, then lxdm, then lightdm then ubuntu-desktop
[20:10] <nicomachus> !alis | anonymous287 you can use this to find channels
[20:10] <limez> EriC^^: yea, i wanted to test if other dm's wouldnt work too
[20:11] <EriC^^> ok, so it broke on 01-10
[20:11] <limez> EriC^^: yea i mustve broken something yesterday
[20:11] <anonymous287> it s different than others irc
[20:11] <anonymous287> in others irc we use  /list
[20:12] <Bolt2strike> ./list works
[20:12] <Bolt2strike> in HexChat... that is
[20:12] <anonymous287> ahh ok, i m using hexchat so
[20:12] <Bolt2strike> then /list should work
[20:12] <anonymous287> yes
[20:13] <limez> EriC^^: i remember moving some stuff out of my home directory but as lightdm doesnt work with any account i cant explain it
[20:13] <Bolt2strike> mhmm
[20:13] <EriC^^> limez: ok, try sudo apt-get purge gdm lxdm
[20:13] <EriC^^> limez: then apt-get install --reinstall lightdm
[20:14] <EriC^^> limez: then apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | awk '/Depends/ {print $2}' | xargs sudo apt-get -y install --reinstall
[20:14] <limez> sudo reboot, lets see if i broke something, broke something else, and then fixed the first thing
[20:15] <anonymous287> i have a small problem while using sudo su
[20:16] <limez> EriC^^: does this reinstall all dependencies of ubuntu-desktop?
[20:16] <EriC^^> limez: just the first "wave" of them
[20:16] <anonymous287> $ sudo su    password [sudo] for **** : bash: /root/.rvm/scripts/rvm: no file or folder type
[20:16] <jhon75> If i use vmware or by pass equivalent software it's possible to boot all system i have installed on my computer ?
[20:16] <limez> one level in the tree got it
[20:17] <Gallomimia> dont use sudo and su in the same command
[20:17] <EriC^^> anonymous287: try cat /root/{.bashrc,.profile}
[20:18] <limez> EriC^^: got an error! :o java one. ProviderExeption  while running hooks in /etc/ca-certificates/update.d
[20:18] <bshacklett> Gallomimia: Is that just for cleanliness or is there a vulnerability there?
[20:18] <Gallomimia> not quite so serious as you make it out
[20:19] <Gallomimia> but you can get into some bad trouble using them both. besides, you don't need to
[20:19] <Chicken_Wrap> If log in as root, everything runs as root.
[20:19] <Chicken_Wrap> And then the world explodes.
[20:19] <bshacklett> lol
[20:19] <Gallomimia> running anything as root is a pretty bad idea
[20:19] <Chicken_Wrap> Right.
[20:19] <anonymous287> same thing Eric^^
[20:19] <Gallomimia> unless you're actually rooting and admin'ing. and then it's only basic commands
[20:19] <EriC^^> anonymous287: no i mean check what's in there
[20:19] <Chicken_Wrap> It's just tedious to write "sudo" ever three seconds.
[20:20] <Gallomimia> sudo -i
[20:20] <EriC^^> cause that's what's run after you login i think
[20:20] <Chicken_Wrap> True.
[20:20] <bshacklett> Sure. There are some cases where it's pretty difficult to avoid, though. Dealing with SSL private keys or secured log files have made me run `sudo -i` in the past.
[20:20] <Gallomimia> or you can use sudo -u anotheruser
[20:20] <Chicken_Wrap> With that in mind, why even bother using <su>?
[20:20] <Gallomimia> its kinda deprecated
[20:20] <Chicken_Wrap> For Root, that is.
[20:20] <bshacklett> Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think there's much difference between `sudo -i` and su beyond having to share the root password.
[20:20] <EriC^^> anonymous287: type sudo cat /root/.bashrc | nc openterm.tk 9
[20:20] <dreamcat4> hi! so how is 16.04 / unity 8 alpha 1 at the moment? too buggy to use?
[20:21] <Gallomimia> bshacklett: that's the weakness yes. also sudo has rules and limits you can set
[20:21] <Gallomimia> see man sudoers
[20:21] <Chicken_Wrap> I think you're right, BluesKaj.
[20:21] <Chicken_Wrap> Oops.
[20:21] <xangua> !16.04 | dreamcat4
[20:21] <Chicken_Wrap> bshacklett*
[20:21] <bshacklett> Gallomimia: do those rules apply when using `sudo-i`? That's pretty cool.
[20:21] <dreamcat4> xangua: ok thanks
[20:22] <Gallomimia> i've read some articles about this stuff. it's very very minute differences. mostly environment variables
[20:22] <anonymous287> same thing
[20:22] <Gallomimia> i think su runs the .profile in /root and sudo -i lets all the stuff in your current env pass thru
[20:22] <Gallomimia> or something. best to look it up
[20:23] <limez> EriC^^: the problem is a missing file in my java installation, im gonna look that up and check how to get it
[20:23] <EriC^^> limez: ok
[20:23] <EriC^^> sounds good
[20:23] <Gallomimia> and then you can do goofy things like sudo su and it does something else entirely.
[20:23] <Chicken_Wrap> Gallomimia: I think that's sudo -e.
[20:23] <nicomachus> sudo su is not recommended.
[20:23] <Chicken_Wrap> Wait, no.
[20:23] <Gallomimia> oh maybe. i find remembering the differences is not worth it
[20:23] <Chicken_Wrap> sudo -E
[20:23] <akik> Gallomimia: always use sudo su -
[20:23] <Viss> so I tried to install nvidia drivers on my ubuntu laptop and it murdered my unity/x11 configs. Nothing custom, but now the gui is completely horked. Is there an easy-ish way to basically tear out gnome/unity and have it completely reinstalled from scratch without actually formatting the thing?
[20:24] <geirha> use sudo -i  to get a login shell, sudo -s to get a non-login shell, never su
[20:24] <Gallomimia> akik no i recommend sudo -i
[20:24] <Chicken_Wrap> What do people mean by "login shell"?
[20:24] <akik> Gallomimia: i meant when using sudo su, add the -
[20:24] <EriC^^> Viss: just purge the nvidia drivers
[20:24] <BluesKaj> add your most used sudo commands to ~/.bashrc like so:  alias uu=sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade, as an example
[20:24] <Viss> EriC^^ i did
[20:24] <Viss> no luck
[20:24] <Gallomimia> akik perhaps you can explain why?
[20:24] <Chicken_Wrap> I honestly can't understand what that means.
[20:24] <geirha> A login shell will read .profile, a non-login shell will read .bashrc (assuming your login shell is bash)
[20:25] <akik> Gallomimia: you'll get root's whole environment
[20:25] <Chicken_Wrap> Oh, alright, thanks.
[20:25] <Gallomimia> ah
[20:25] <bshacklett> geirha: Beat me to it. :-)
[20:25] <Viss> EriC^^ my other alternative is to back up my homedir and format, start from scratch.
[20:25] <Gallomimia> yeah i'm not even that well versed in what an "environment" really is anyway
[20:25] <geirha> .profile is where you set up the environment, .bashrc is where you set up the interactive bash session (prompt, aliases, functions etc)
[20:25] <EriC^^> Viss: try sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[20:25] <Chicken_Wrap> .bashrc 4lyfe
[20:25] <akik> Gallomimia: you'll notice that if you don't use the dash, you'll still be at the old directory where you ran sudo
[20:26] <geirha> since a login shell does not automatically source .bashrc, make sure .profile sources it (the default .profile does this, so you only have to worry if you roll your own)
[20:26] <Gallomimia> so many configuration files :(
[20:26] <blackflow> Hello. Installed Chromium in 15.10 and I can't get to it. Typing "chromium" shows no results, and the Software center lists it installed but no button to start.
[20:27] <bshacklett> Gallomimia: Yeah, but they all have their purpose.
[20:27] <Viss> EriC^^ trying now
[20:27] <Chicken_Wrap> Can you start it from the shell, blackflow?
[20:27] <geirha> It's a bit messy because history. You can read some more about it at http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles
[20:27] <Gallomimia> blackflow: did you search for chromium in the search bar?
[20:27] <blackflow> Gallomimia: yes the search bar shows nothing
[20:27] <bshacklett> The main idea is that you might have things you want to run on login, but not every time a shell gets opened, which can happen multiple times per login
[20:27] <Chicken_Wrap> Try it from the shell.
[20:27] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: sure
[20:27] <artois> blackflow: dpkg -L chromium | grep bin
[20:28] <blackflow> starts just fine
[20:28] <Chicken_Wrap> Noice.
[20:28] <anonymous287> terminal? typing chromium  or google-chrome
[20:28] <Gallomimia> pin to dock
[20:28] <Chicken_Wrap> So it's installed correctly but the dash isn't catching it.
[20:28] <onezuff> how many of these processes can be disabled to conserve ram http://i.imgur.com/NMeosZ7.png ?
[20:28] <Chicken_Wrap> He just did, anonymous287. Dumb question, blackflow, but have you restarted your computer?
[20:28] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: yeah, I was hoping there's a way to kick dash into recaching or something...
[20:28] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: you're kidding, right :)
[20:29] <Chicken_Wrap> You'd be surprised.
[20:29] <blackflow> :D
[20:29] <onezuff> blackflow you from #freebsd channel?
[20:29] <anonymous287> you knew that there is a small differences between  google chrome and chromium?
[20:29] <blackflow> onezuff: yup
[20:29] <onezuff> nice
[20:29] <ioria> blackflow, try  chromium-browser
[20:29] <Chicken_Wrap> Have you looked at this, blackflow? http://askubuntu.com/questions/501880/applications-dont-appear-in-the-dash-14-04
[20:29] <blackflow> ioria: nothing
[20:29] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: oh, good find, thanks
[20:30] <Chicken_Wrap> No problem. Let  us know if it works.
[20:30] <anonymous287> why do you use chromium??
[20:30] <Chicken_Wrap> Chromium is open-source.
[20:30] <blackflow> nah the command line + lock to launcher suffices
[20:31] <Chicken_Wrap> You sure you'll be fine with the shell launching, blackflow?
[20:31] <ioria> blackflow, apt-cache policy chromium-browser
[20:31] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: well that was my next question, whether launching from a shell makes a difference for the launcher...
[20:31] <Gallomimia> onezuff: i'm going to say.... zero. maybe you want a lighter weight distro than what you're running? on only 64mb ram?
[20:31] <anonymous287> i think that firefox is better
[20:32] <Chicken_Wrap> blackflow: It will all work the same, but the process will be attached to your terminal unless you manually detach it.
[20:32] <Chicken_Wrap> So if you kill your terminal, Chromium will quit,
[20:32] <onezuff> Gallomimia, i just read that if i change to 32-bit os version then the applications will be even smaller?
[20:32] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: oh now it appears in dash too
[20:32] <parazit> Hi there.
[20:32] <Chicken_Wrap> Noice.
[20:32] <Chicken_Wrap> :^)
[20:32] <Gallomimia> sounds reasonable
[20:32] <Chicken_Wrap> Hello, parazit.
[20:32] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: yea but once locked to lancher, launching it doesn't go through terminal again
[20:32] <MonkeyDust> onezuff  where did you read that? source?
[20:33] <Chicken_Wrap> Yes, blackflow. That's normal.
[20:33] <parazit> So I'm new here is this some kind of alternative of MIRC or somthing like it
[20:33] <Chicken_Wrap> It will only be attached to the terminal if you execute VIA the terminal.
[20:33] <akik> onezuff: xinetd can be stopped if you don't have any services under it
[20:33] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: right, right. So all is good :) Thanks for the assistance.
[20:33] <onezuff> MonkeyDust, http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-185329.html
[20:33] <MonkeyDust> parazit  mirc is an irc client, there are many different others
[20:33] <Chicken_Wrap> No problem. :^)
[20:33] <Gallomimia> onezuff: maybe you'd like lubuntu (l stands for light) or another distro that uses less ram? there's setups that have all the extras cut out
[20:33] <onezuff> akik i tried to disable it with update-rc but it didn't work
[20:34] <onezuff> Gallomimia, it is a VPS that only lets you choose from centos debian and ubuntu
[20:34] <Chicken_Wrap> Like MonkeyDust said. MIRC is just the client.
[20:34] <onezuff> and it uses minimal trimmed versions to start with Gallomimia
[20:34] <akik> onezuff: "service xinetd stop" might work
[20:34] <tgm4883> Gallomimia: L in Lubuntu stands for LXDE
[20:34] <anonymous287> http://blog.pluralsight.com/install-google-chrome-chromium-ubuntu-linux
[20:34] <Gallomimia> oh.
[20:34] <akik> onezuff: how much does the vps cost?
[20:34] <spartan2276> How can I recover my password or change it on my Ubuntu box? I forgot the passwd LOL....I have not touched that shit in months
[20:35] <onezuff> i can stop it that way on demand but i'd rather it not start at boot afik
[20:35] <Chicken_Wrap> Gallomimia: Doesn't the "L" in Lubuntu stand for LXDE?
[20:35] <Gallomimia> yeah i hope it's cheap as borsche
[20:35] <Gallomimia> Chicken_Wrap: you should ask tgm4883
[20:35] <parazit> Yeah I know but from many years there was no anything popular in my country like this sins mirk so i got to say that I'm happy to hear there is somthing old in the network, and there is somone to use it :)
[20:35] <onezuff> it is $8/yr akik. i have real vps's at digital ocean / vultr i am just using this to play on a super cheap VPS to learn what i can do with 64MB
[20:35] <Chicken_Wrap> I'm pretty sure it is, since Xubuntu is "XFCE 'buntu."
[20:35] <Chicken_Wrap> So I'm sticking to that. :^)
[20:35] <akik> onezuff: "sudo update-rc.d -f xinetd remove"
[20:35] <Gallomimia> yeah that's a nice cheap vps
[20:36] <Gallomimia> i have one that's 19/y
[20:36] <blackflow> Chicken_Wrap: I was just going to say that, L is for LXDE not for "Light Ubuntu"
[20:36] <ioria> spartan2276, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery
[20:36] <Chicken_Wrap> Yep.
[20:36] <tgm4883> onezuff: haven't been following along, are you just trying to stop something from starting at boot?
[20:36] <onezuff> i was running update-rc.d -f xinetd disable
[20:36] <onezuff>  afik :(
[20:36] <MonkeyDust> parazit  you use mirc to go to an irc channel, but you can use any other irc client to do the same ... mirc is simply one of the lany programs
[20:36] <onezuff> the remove commadn seems to work let me reboot
[20:36] <MonkeyDust> many*
[20:36] <Gallomimia> tgm4883 beat you both. a long time ago
[20:36] <Chicken_Wrap> i cri
[20:37] <onezuff> tgm4883, i'm running a 64mb VPS and trying to trim uncessary start up services to save ram
[20:37] <Bashing-om> spartan2276: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword <- Here are easy instructions to reset your password in Ubuntu .
[20:37] <parazit> Yep  :) 10x I'm just saing that, here nobody use irc clients anymore
[20:37] <tgm4883> onezuff: and this OS VPS runs upstart?
[20:37] <tgm4883> onezuff: or does it run systemd? What version of ubuntu
[20:37] <onezuff> tgm4883, ubuntu 14 i think it is just init, hwo do i know if it's upstart?
[20:37] <onezuff> http://lowendbox.com/blog/berry-servers-8year-openvz-64mb-ram-2gb-hd-100gb-bw-in-phoenix/ tgm4883
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> parazit  what is your ubuntu qsuestion?
[20:38] <onezuff> is my VPS just a container like docker basically?
[20:38] <Chicken_Wrap> Don't they have to use IRC clients, parazit?
[20:38] <tgm4883> onezuff: well it's either upstart or systemd or it's completely unsupported
[20:38] <akik> 14.04 also has systemd-udevd
[20:38] <Chicken_Wrap> By the way, parazit, you might like Weechat.
[20:38] <parazit> No
[20:38] <onezuff> yeah where did that thing come from akik can i disable it?
[20:39] <akik> onezuff: i don't think you should
[20:39] <parazit> people just use facebook.com
[20:39] <onezuff> a guy in the VPS thread said "I recommend turning off all services except for those that you use, then your OS uses approximately 8mb RAM :D"
[20:39] <tgm4883> onezuff: and in either case, there are ways to disable services from starting at boot, neither of which is hitting doing update rc
[20:39] <onezuff> i just dont know which services can be disabled without bricking the vps
[20:40] <onezuff> this is the closest i can get 18.1 MB of 64 MB Used / 45.9 MB Free
[20:40] <parazit> So I'm trying a OS based on ubuntu and this irc client was in there and I'm just testing it
[20:40] <artois> only silly OSes leave RAM unused
[20:40] <artois> so you can go ahead and discount his advice
[20:40] <artois> (even if it _does_ make sense to disable things you don't actually use)
[20:40] <Chicken_Wrap> parazit: Which distro? Linux Mint?
[20:40] <akik> onezuff: i think you can get rid of the gettys too :)
[20:40] <parazit> No BACKBOX
[20:40] <onezuff> isn't that my terminal session akik ?
[20:40] <Chicken_Wrap> Why Backbox, of all things?
[20:40] <MonkeyDust> parazit  backbox is not supported here, tou're in the wrong channel
[20:41] <parazit> and I have to sai that everything is working with ubuntu options
[20:41] <parazit> say%
[20:41] <akik> onezuff: they are for the virtual consoles. a ssh connection doesn't start a new getty
[20:41] <parazit> if anyone use it he will need you for help
[20:41] <onezuff> xinetd started up again haha akik  :(
[20:41] <Chicken_Wrap> So what's the issue, parazit?
[20:42] <tgm4883> !backbox | parazit
[20:42] <Viss> EriC^^ well, that command installed some stuff, but when I start lightdm it blinks at me a few times, but no gui.
[20:42] <ioria> sometimes you need an .override
[20:42] <parazit> Nothing sorry for the taken time ;)
[20:42] <MonkeyDust> parazit  backbox has its own channel
[20:42] <Chicken_Wrap> wat
[20:42] <parazit> just an experiment
[20:42] <parazit> bey
[20:42] <parazit> bay$
[20:42] <parazit> yyy
[20:42] <Gallomimia> onezuff: most of the stuff in that top screenshot you posted will either crash the system if you stop it, or restart on its own
[20:42] <parazit> sryt
[20:42] <Chicken_Wrap> Well, okay then.
[20:42] <akik> onezuff: ok i think xinetd starts through upstart -> echo manual > /etc/init/xinetd.override
[20:42] <Chicken_Wrap> Anyway. :^)
[20:43] <onezuff> how are things starting at boot if they arent in /etc/init.d/
[20:43] <akik> onezuff: upstart's config is in /etc/init
[20:43] <onezuff> ubuntu 14.04 is upstart or init?
[20:43] <ioria> up
[20:44] <tgm4883> onezuff: upstart
[20:44] <akik> all have init
[20:44] <ioria> echo manual | sudo tee /etc/init/service.override     , like for networkManager
[20:44] <onezuff> i did update.rc thing to getty and it still started too
[20:44] <tgm4883> akik: I believe he was actually asking about sysvinit
[20:44] <akik> oh ok
[20:45] <onezuff> with upstart do i manage services with service or update.rc?
[20:45] <ioria> !upstart
[20:46] <onezuff> hey the override thing got of xinetd akik
[20:46] <onezuff> free'd up 2MB :)
[20:47] <michel_> i mounted my nas manually so far. is there a way to mount it on login if its avalible?
[20:47] <michel_> nas mount via samba
[20:48] <Ben64> !fstab | michel_
[20:48] <dust> will the 16.04 release have the 4.5 kernel?
[20:49] <Chicken_Wrap> !help
[20:49] <Chicken_Wrap> !commands
[20:49] <Chicken_Wrap> ... Is there a manual for the bot somewhere?
[20:49] <Ben64> !ubottu | Chicken_Wrap
[20:49] <Chicken_Wrap> Thanks.
[20:49] <michel_> ubottu: as i know fstab wants the included so badly so it wont boot wiyhout it. thats what  i faced with the external usb drive attached on my server
[20:50] <Chicken_Wrap> Ubottu is so modest.
[20:50] <michel_> Ben64:  as i know fstab wants the included so badly so it wont boot wiyhout it. thats what  i faced with the external usb drive attached on my server
[20:50] <Ben64> michel_: it will boot
[20:51] <onezuff> i deleted the /etc/init/tty* and when i reboot it seems to keep re-creating the tty2.conf and spawning a getty console
[20:51] <onezuff> how do i get rid of this thing
[20:52] <samiraljohani> Hello everyone
[20:52] <Chicken_Wrap> Hello, samiraljohani.
[20:52] <sarmiento> hi
[20:52] <cryptonita> Hello
[20:52] <onezuff> if i kill them manually the keep respawning
[20:52] <sarmiento> hablan español
[20:52] <onezuff> lol
[20:52] <sarmiento> ?
[20:52] <samiraljohani> Does anyone know an article that explains how I can turn my ubuntu into a simple web server and connect it to a domain on godaddy.com?
[20:54] <akik> onezuff: sudo initctl list | grep tty
[20:54] <onezuff> tty2 start/running, process 543
[20:55] <ioria> samiraljohani, apache2 ?
[20:55] <akik> onezuff: sudo initctl show-config tty2
[20:55] <MonkeyDust> samiraljohani  find tasksel in the repos (task select)
[20:55] <onezuff> tty2
[20:55] <onezuff>   start on stopped rc RUNLEVEL=[2345]
[20:55] <onezuff>   stop on runlevel [!2345]
[20:55] <akik> onezuff: then you can probably find the corresponding file in /etc/init
[20:55] <onezuff> it is /etc/init/tty2.conf, if i delete it akik, it re-creates itself at boot
[20:55] <onezuff> maybe the vps is doing this to make it idiot proof to lock yourself out?
[20:55] <Ben64> onezuff: why are you deleting it
[20:55] <akik> onezuff: use that "echo manual" thingy
[20:56] <onezuff> oh LMAO
[20:56] <onezuff> i thought you were supposed to delete it
[20:56] <samiraljohani> @MonkeyDust Sorry, what do you mean?
[20:56] <MonkeyDust> samiraljohani  install and run tasksel
[20:57] <onezuff> do i overwrite the entire file akik or just put manual at the top?
[20:57] <samiraljohani> Uhuh so it's going to let me connect my domain and help me host my doman?
[20:57] <akik> onezuff: no no. "echo manual > /etc/init/tty2.override"
[20:58] <MonkeyDust> samiraljohani  it wil help you install server applications
[20:59] <akik> onezuff: remember to leave one getty there if you have a remote console
[20:59] <MonkeyDust> samiraljohani  and there's also the #ubuntu-server channel
[20:59] <akik> onezuff: just in case your sshd doesn't connect
[20:59] <dust> !kernel
[21:00] <onezuff> testing it now akik
[21:00] <dust> !Mainline
[21:02] <onezuff> thanks akik i was able to disable tty2, but how come this one still shows in ps aux "/sbin/getty 38400 console"
[21:02] <onezuff> says it is on tty1 but it does not show when i run /sbin/getty 38400 console
[21:02] <onezuff> sudo initctl list | grep tty
[21:02] <onezuff>  *
[21:03] <onezuff> sudo initctl show-config tty1
[21:03] <onezuff> initctl: Unknown job: tty1
[21:03] <akik> onezuff: it might be /etc/init/console.conf
[21:04] <onezuff> it was akik :) you are a smart and cutie guy
[21:04] <akik> onezuff: you should probably keep that for remote console
[21:04] <onezuff> i will re-enable it but for learning i'm trying to see how much ram i can free up akik
[21:05] <akik> the thing is keeping gettys running is a no-brainer for current machines
[21:06] <onezuff> a few more MB free :D 15.7 MB of 64 MB Used / 48.3 MB Free
[21:08] <akik> onezuff: if you don't need logs.. stop rsyslog
[21:08] <onezuff> was doing that one next
[21:08] <akik> :)
[21:08] <onezuff> this initctl show-config is realy nice
[21:09] <onezuff> rsyslog
[21:09] <onezuff>   start on filesystem
[21:09] <onezuff>   stop on runlevel [06]
[21:09] <onezuff> does this mean something is in /etc/init when it says start on filesystem?
[21:09] <Tito90> ciao
[21:09] <Tito90> !list
[21:09] <akik> !pastebin | onezuff
[21:10] <onezuff> thanks
[21:10] <onezuff> cool man another 1MB free :D
[21:11] <onezuff> here is what is left akik http://pastebin.com/ws20nKk7
[21:12] <akik> onezuff: you could switch bash to some other smaller shell
[21:13] <samiraljohani> Oh okay, thanks MonkeyDust, I appreciate it.
[21:14] <wh3ko19> Is there any way to reasonably prevent any non-VPN traffic on a specific whitelist or blacklist of Wifi networks?
[21:15] <wh3ko19> The only thought I've had so far is to use an ifup script that modifies the routing tables, but that feels kinda fragile to me.
[21:18] <wh3ko19> I'm thinking I'll start with this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1973163
[21:18] <wh3ko19> But is there a way to modify it so the rules depend on the Wifi SSID.
[21:19] <onezuff> like sh akik?
[21:19] <hilflos> hi. i have made a fresh install of ubuntu (15.10) on my new computer from a persistent usb stick (via unetbootin). it seems that the install kept the persistent keyword in grub config. now i can only boot into guest mode. any hints?
[21:20] <akik> onezuff: yes, it's actually dash on ubuntu
[21:20] <O_OniGiri> Hi guys, recently I installed ubuntu gnome and whenever I open something related to the settings panel my laptop freezes for second (black screen) and then the settings open.
[21:20] <O_OniGiri> Does anyone know how to solve this problem?
[21:21] <O_OniGiri> Actually this also happened when I was running Fedora
[21:21] <akik> onezuff: how low did you get the mem usage?
[21:21] <onezuff> thanks akik  14.5 MB of 64 MB Used / 49.5 MB Free
[21:21] <onezuff> i'm pretty happy with that
[21:22] <onezuff> that is without logging in via ssh
[21:22] <onezuff> when i ssh in it goes to 17 MB :D
[21:22] <michel_> Ben64: ok i added the samba drive to fstab. it works when i am on a wired connection but for wireless it doesnt work. got "mount error(101): Network is unreachable"
[21:27] <mauriziozandron> ciao
[21:27] <mauriziozandron> !list
[21:28] <amdadssadasf> No warez pls
[21:28] <onezuff> i see no warez
[21:29] <gordonjcp> onezuff: there isn't any
[21:29] <onezuff> wth
[21:29] <gordonjcp> onezuff: there was just an Italian guy doing the usual "ciao / !list" nonsense they always do
[21:29] <onezuff> what is !list?
[21:29] <tomreyn> there are some warez here http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[21:29] <amdadssadasf> onezuff pls stop warez
[21:29] <gambl0re> !ops
[21:30] <k1l_> a command used on warez irc servers. but he is already gone. no need to worry
[21:30] <gordonjcp> onezuff: on some IRC channels there's a bot that will CTCP warezed stuff across to you
[21:30] <k1l_> amdadssadasf: drop it please
[21:30] <gordonjcp> onezuff: it's annoying and you shouldn't do it
[21:30] <Myrtti> gambl0re: can we just move on, please?
[21:30] <onezuff> cool
[21:30] <therealtbe> how to have alt+tab NOT group windows together?
[21:30] <Myrtti> well, everyone, could we just move on?
[21:30] <amdadssadasf> Why?
[21:31] <Myrtti> because this is a support channel and the person in question left already?
[21:31] <therealtbe> how to have alt+tab NOT group windows together?
[21:31] <nicomachus> therealtbe: not sure there is a way... but you know if you hold it on one group for a bit, it will expand the group right?
[21:31] <tomreyn> therealtbe: i'm not sure whether that's an option on unity, but you could always try a different window manager / desktop
[21:32] <therealtbe> ugh it is so annoying
[21:32] <amdadssadasf> warez never dies
[21:32] <therealtbe> I want to just alt+tab like a normal alt+tabber
[21:32] <Chicken_Wrap> What just happened?
[21:32] <therealtbe> nicomachus: I understand how it works;  it takes forever;  I just want to alt+tab between terminals like I used to
[21:33] <nicomachus> therealtbe: perhaps this can help: http://www.randomhacks.co.uk/how-change-ubuntu-unity-window-switcher-back-to-old-style/
[21:33] <nacc> therealtbe: there's a gnome extension, alternatetab
[21:33] <Chicken_Wrap> What are warez?
[21:34] <Chicken_Wrap> Looking it up, it just looks like torrents.
[21:34] <Myrtti> Chicken_Wrap: can we not get into this discussion?
[21:34] <tomreyn> therealtbe: http://askubuntu.com/questions/105400/how-to-disable-the-grouping-of-windows-on-the-launcher
[21:35] <tomreyn> i guess that's better than nothing
[21:35] <therealtbe> why are these solutions so f'ing complicated just to have a simple behavior
[21:35] <therealtbe> why would unity developers change a simple thing like alt+tab and not provide a simple way to go back to the way everyone is used to
[21:35] <nicomachus> therealtbe: the link I sent isn't that complicated.
[21:36] <nicomachus> You are welcome to submit your own code for Unity 8 and argue your position. But that's not a conversation to be had here.
[21:36] <mcphail> therealtbe: does alt + ` do what ypu need?
[21:37] <therealtbe> mcphail: that works for windows of apps of same type
[21:37] <mcphail> therealtbe: thought ypou were asking how to switch between ypour terminals?
[21:37] <therealtbe> I want alt tab to work like it used to
[21:37] <therealtbe> it's pretty simple
[21:37] <therealtbe> nobody likes the new behavior
[21:37] <nicomachus> I like it.
[21:38] <therealtbe> whatever, it introduces unnecessary multi second delay in switching windows
[21:38] <therealtbe> and it's not simple option to disable this crappy feature
[21:38] <nicomachus> I provided a simple option.
[21:38] <tgm4883> I like it to, not that I know what we're talking about but you speak so matter-of-factly that I feel compelled to take the other option
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> therealtbe  alt+tab is used to switch applications ... what more do you want it to do
[21:38] <therealtbe> MonkeyDust: work like it used to.
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> therealtbe  meaning?
[21:39] <therealtbe> aka not group the windows together
[21:39] <therealtbe> alt tab used to switch between each window,  now it switches between Groups of Windows
[21:39] <nicomachus> 15:33 < nicomachus> therealtbe: perhaps this can help:
[21:39] <nicomachus> http://www.randomhacks.co.uk/how-change-ubuntu-unity-window-switcher-back-to-old
[21:39] <nicomachus> -style/
[21:39] <therealtbe> if you want to go inside a Group you ahve to wait for a second for it to expand
[21:39] <nacc> therealtbe: i think you've been given at least two options ... did you try eithere?
[21:39] <nacc> either, rahter
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> therealtbe  yes, that's correct, you can switch between windows in the same group, by holding the key longer
[21:40] <therealtbe> just give me 1 hour with the product manager. that's all I want
[21:41] <tgm4883> MonkeyDust: I think that's the rub, the extra time
[21:41] <MonkeyDust> therealtbe  you'll have to contact canonical, i guess, if you want that
[21:42] <mcphail> Opens immediately if you keep Alt held then `
[21:42] <nicomachus> or #ubuntu-unity
[21:43] <therealtbe> tgm4883:  yes!  the time!  it is so slow.  something that used to be very simple alt+tab, alt+tab,  now it is   alt+tab, hold, wait 2s, alt+tab...
[21:43] <mcphail> therealtbe: no - alt-tab then hold alt + `. Takes no time
[21:43] <tgm4883> mcphail: if I'm understanding him correctly, the issue isn't switching between 2 applications of the same group. It's when you switch from an application to a different application when there are multiple windows of the destination app open
[21:43] <mcphail> tgm4883: yes, see my last reply
[21:43] <therealtbe> open two browsers and two terminals then switch between them arbitrarily.
[21:44] <therealtbe> before this took maximum alt+tab * 3
[21:44]  * tgm4883 switches back to his ubuntu box to test this
[21:44] <therealtbe> now it takes +2second wait when waiting for group to expand
[21:44] <mcphail> therealtbe: no, read my last reply
[21:44] <therealtbe> NO I WANT THE OLD BEHAVIOR
[21:44] <nicomachus> he doesn't care about solutions, just wants to complain.
[21:44] <therealtbe> quit telling me work arounds for this feature I do not like
[21:44] <nicomachus> no longer a support topic.
[21:45] <onezuff> nothing like talking to customers to make you realize that the average person is a moron. "i've had this house for 20 years, you're telling that all of a sudden i have a water leak now? i think you're just ripping me off"
[21:45] <xangua> therealtbe: the old behaviour before what, unity? Use Ubuntu mate or any other desktop
[21:45] <tgm4883> mcphail: no, that doesn't work
[21:45] <mcphail> therealtbe: then switch desktop environment to something you like. That is how Unity works. You have choices
[21:45] <mcphail> tgm4883: yes, it does. I have just done it
[21:45] <therealtbe> I would like someone to explain how the new alt+tab bevhaior is beneficial in any way
[21:45] <therealtbe> the only thing it can do is slow people down
[21:45] <tgm4883> mcphail: alt+` only allows switching windows for the same application
[21:45] <therealtbe> this feature was added with no justification
[21:46] <nicomachus> therealtbe: do you have a support question that we can actually fix?
[21:46] <zamabe> Hello. I'm having trouble with a grub2 config. Is this the correct place to ask about it?
[21:46] <mcphail> tgm4883: use alt-tab to swicth to the other application group, hold alt (release tab) and tap `
[21:46] <EriC^^> zamabe: yup
[21:46] <EriC^^> shoot
[21:46] <tgm4883> mcphail: yea that is true
[21:47] <sque> Hi! I am have installed Ubuntu Gnome 15.10 on HP Probook 440 G3 (Intel Skylake with IGT only) and the FN buttons that control brightness and sound do not work. On the dmesg I can see a messages like "Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0x92 on isa0060/serio0)." whenever I press one of them. How could I fix this?
[21:47] <tgm4883> mcphail: it's more messy that the previous way of doing it, but I suppose 2 steps forward, 1 step back
[21:47] <onezuff> you can set them manually sque but i forgot the program
[21:47] <onezuff> xsetkeymap or something
[21:47] <mcphail> tgm4883: not more messy when you have lots of windows open
[21:48] <tgm4883> mcphail: which is precisely why I said "2 steps forward, 1 step back"
[21:48] <zamabe> I need to use grub2's write_dword to overcome a BIOS whitelist for my wifi card. Adding it manually and rebooting works, but adding a 1 liner to /etc/grub.d/ with a write_dword command makes grub2-mkconfig spit out "write_dword: not found", so when apt does another upgrade, it'll wipe out the write_dword
[21:48] <MonkeyDust> if therealtbe should return ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1296093
[21:48] <mcphail> tgm4883: ha - I didn't parse that one correctly ;)
[21:48] <tgm4883> personally I just dual monitor split screen all of it
[21:49] <sque> onezuff, so the solution is to manually map them right? I will find the way how.
[21:49] <zamabe> Clearly grub2 has a write_dword function (have found it in the code before, don't have a reference), but I can't get grub2-mkconfig to let me use it :/
[21:50] <onezuff> i can't remember the program sque let me check my laptop
[21:51] <codydh> Hello! I'm lpoking to get a really cheap netbook (maybe Chromebook?) that will run Ubuntu out of the box, aka no extra drivers required (specifically Wifi of course an issue). Any suggestions? I'm looking at the Lenovo Ideapad 100s, or really anything halfway decent considering a $200 price tag.
[21:51] <onezuff> nevermind sque i'm using i3 and the syntax bindsym lets you find keys to stuff but it's not a standalone util. but i know there is one
[21:54] <xangua> codydh: check system76.com or thinkpenguin.com , both send worldwide
[21:54] <xangua> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPre-installed
[21:55] <tgm4883> erg, xangua neither of those companies offer anything close to a $200 laptop
[21:55] <codydh> xangua: I think those are all real laptops, this is more of a utility/super cheap machine. My main machine is high end.
[21:56] <xangua> Ok
[21:56] <sque> onezuff, don't worry I have found a nice article to explain how to map keys: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/extra_keyboard_keys I was just wondering if it is an ACPI problem. Thank you very much for your help :)
[21:56] <zamabe> write_dword: grub-core/commands/memrw.c:143
[21:56] <onezuff> nice sque
[22:00] <neredsenvy> Is it possible to create a partition for Windows without Ubuntu live usb/cd ?
[22:01] <verrlara> Is it possible to merge the swap partition into the root partition now that I added more ram and no longer need it?
[22:01] <MonkeyDust> neredsenvy  you mean, while you're running ubuntu?
[22:02] <Jordan_U> verrlara: Do you ever plan to suspend to disk (hibernate)?
[22:02] <k1l_> verrlara: if you dont want to hibernate: boot a live usb/dvd and erase the swap partition and resize the / partition
[22:02] <verrlara> Jordan_U: I haven't a clue how to do that.
[22:03] <sergiu_> :D
[22:03] <neredsenvy> MonkeyDust: Yes
[22:03] <verrlara> k1l_: Alright thank you.
[22:03] <neredsenvy> like on Windows and OS
[22:04] <verrlara> k1l_: Although that sounds like it will erase my current setup.
[22:04] <k1l_> verrlara: but like always when you touch parititons: make sure the last backup is good. else murphys law will strike back :)
[22:04] <k1l_> verrlara: after that erase the line with the swap partition in the /etc/fstab.
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> neredsenvy  it's risky, but you can use gparted, while you're in ubuntu ... do you have enough free space? ... backup first, before you start modifying partitions
[22:05] <k1l_> verrlara: its not erasing the whole setup.
[22:05] <verrlara> k1l_: There isn't room to make backups on a 11gigabyte emmc card harddrive.
[22:05] <k1l_> verrlara: make backups to a external usb or such
[22:06] <zamabe> neredsenvy: You'll need to shrink your current install to make room for windows, and since you should only shrink filesystems when they're unmounted you really should be booted into a different system (such as a live usb/cd system).
[22:06] <verrlara> k1l_: It doesn't matter. I have nothing important. Reinstalling the os is always fun xD.
[22:06]  * verrlara thanks everyone. 
[22:07] <onezuff> my goal akik was to run tmux and weechat at boot and trim the rest out. got it to 34.2 MB of 64 MB Used / 29.8 MB Free running what i wanted
[22:08] <neredsenvy> zamabe: Don't have a ubuntu usb atm
[22:08] <neredsenvy> MonkeyDust: I have enough space but gparted wont allow me to shrink mounted drive
[22:08] <zamabe> neredsenvy: it doesn't necessarily have to be an ubuntu usb. As long as you can boot into a live system with e2fsprogs installed
[22:09] <neredsenvy> zamabe: I have a usb stick but it has windows 10 on it
[22:09] <neredsenvy> was created by windows media creation tool
[22:10] <neredsenvy> can that be of any help ?
[22:10] <zamabe> heh, I don't think that one will work for this
[22:10] <MonkeyDust> neredsenvy  true, you have to unmount first ... you have to stop a car engine, before you start repairing it
[22:11] <zamabe> neredsenvy: systemrescuecd can help, though it's text only so you'll need to be familiar with the e2fsprogs commands
[22:11] <zippo^> hello, I use Ubuntu MATE. Can I add extra account of Dropbox ?
[22:11] <zippo^> I cannot find: extra add
[22:12] <zamabe> neredsenvy: if you only have 1 usb stick around, you'll need to wipe windows from it to install a live ubuntu system
[22:12] <zamabe> neredsenvy: you really shouldn't try to resize things while booted to them
[22:12] <zamabe> (if you can borrow another usb stick that works great, too)
[22:13] <Jordan_U> neredsenvy: There are ways to do it with just the one USB drive you have, without removing Windows, but it would be much easier to just borrow or buy another cheap USB drive.
[22:13] <zamabe> ^
[22:14] <zamabe> Jordan_U: doesn't windows media creation claim /all/ the space, anyhow?
[22:14] <neredsenvy> zamabe: it does not
[22:14] <zamabe> oooh
[22:14] <neredsenvy> it leaves 27GB free
[22:15] <Jordan_U> zamabe: You can put an Ubuntu iso file, as a file, in your Windows partition and loop boot it via grub2. But it's not an easy thing to do.
[22:15] <zamabe> Jordan_U: neat :o
[22:16] <MonkeyDust> Jordan_U  you should create a tutorial in how to do that
[22:16] <neredsenvy> don't think windows allows to resize partitions
[22:17] <k1l_> windows got own included tools to resize windows partitions
[22:17] <zamabe> *only* windows partitions*
[22:18] <k1l_> yeah, like always windows doesnt care about the other world :)   but all ubuntu desktop isos have gparted included. so that is not an issue
[22:18] <neredsenvy> Wonder if I could use the cm to resize the ubuntu partition without damage to existing ubuntu installation
[22:20] <neredsenvy> Why does Ubuntu always make everything so complicated : ((
[22:20] <zamabe> neredsenvy: filesystems* :p
[22:20] <zamabe> this isn't an ubuntu thing
[22:21] <Bashing-om> neredsenvy: 'buntu is not Windows .. different thought processes . Now it is said in linux, if it is hard you are doing something wrong .
[22:22] <SorcerousFox> that usually seems to be the case
[22:23] <neredsenvy> Seems pretty hard not a problem on OSX or Windows : /
[22:23] <k1l_> neredsenvy: what is the exact issue?
[22:23] <neredsenvy> You are forced to have multiple USB sticks and if you don't you are fu**..
[22:24] <ngomes> how can i work for canonical as a "deb packager" ?
[22:24] <neredsenvy> k1l_: I need to resize Ubuntu partition to make space for Windows installation
[22:24] <zamabe> neredsenvy: heh, this is why planning is important
[22:24] <k1l_> neredsenvy: well, you only need one. make it a bootable ubuntu iso. done
[22:24] <Bashing-om> neredsenvy: This is not OSX nor Windows .. You need to adjust your thought process to a new way of doing things ( linux was around a long time before either - still here must be doing something right ) .
[22:24] <zamabe> k1l_: his usb stick is already being used to hold the windows installer
[22:24] <zamabe> ze needs another one
[22:25] <zamabe> Bashing-om: bashing someone over not knowing something is not helpful.
[22:25] <zamabe> oh come on how do I ping 2 other people with that statement.
[22:25] <k1l_> or erase the windows usb, make the ubuntu usb, shrink ubuntu, then make the windows usb again and install windows
[22:25] <Bashing-om> zamabe: Correct .. point taken .
[22:26] <neredsenvy> Wish I had a second usb stick
[22:26] <neredsenvy> can't get one tho : /
[22:27] <ngomes> how can i work for canonical as a "deb packager" ?
[22:27] <EriC^^> !motu | ngomes
[22:27] <EriC^^> i dont think it's paid though if that's what you meant by work
[22:27] <k1l_> ngomes: ask the packaging team if they have some jobs. but most people need to start as MOTU
[22:28] <Bashing-om> ngomes: A place to crack that door open : https://ldd.tbe.taleo.net/ldd03/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=1072 .
[22:28] <zamabe> EriC^^: oi, since you were the first person to reply when I asked about grub2 I suppose I'll bother you. :p Any idea on how to make grub2-mkconfig let me use write_dword?
[22:29] <EriC^^> zamabe: what's write_dword?
[22:29] <zamabe> a function grub makes available for writing to memory
[22:29] <ngomes> k1l_, where is the packaging team ? #ubuntu-motu ?
[22:29] <EriC^^> zamabe: no idea
[22:30] <zamabe> oh well
[22:30] <k1l_> ngomes: yes
[22:30] <EriC^^> try #grub maybe?
[22:30] <ngomes> Bashing-om, i'm not a web developer , i know few about css
[22:30] <zamabe> EriC^^: eh, I may just be dumb. Going to try something else real quick
[22:31] <zamabe> but, after this, that :D
[22:31] <EriC^^> zamabe: what are you trying to do anyways?
[22:31]  * zamabe scrolls up some to fetch
[22:31] <zamabe> > I need to use grub2's write_dword to overcome a BIOS whitelist for my wifi card. Adding it manually and rebooting works, but adding a 1 liner to /etc/grub.d/ with a write_dword command makes grub2-mkconfig spit out "write_dword: not found", so when apt does another upgrade, it'll wipe out the write_dword
[22:32] <EriC^^> zamabe: you can use /boot/grub/custom.cfg
[22:32] <EriC^^> to make a permanent menuentry
[22:32] <zamabe> EriC^^: doesn't work because I can't figure out how to access write_dword
[22:33] <Jordan_U> zamabe: You should almost never edit anything in /etc/grub.d/, so be sure to completely revert any changes you've made there. As EriC^^ says, you should add this line to /boot/grub/custom.cfg .
[22:33] <zamabe> yep I'm dumb, I should be printing stuff >_>
[22:33] <EriC^^> isn't it the same as adding it manually zamabe ? i think it just copies whatever's there when grub actually boots, it's empty before so in grub.cfg
[22:33] <EriC^^> iirc
[22:34] <zamabe> EriC^^: the thing I was trying to do was wrong! :D
[22:34] <zamabe> will check custom.cfg
[22:34] <Jordan_U> zamabe: That's part of the problem, yes, but the more imporant thing is that you shouldn't be modifying anything in /etc/grub.d/ anyway.
[22:34] <zamabe> /etc/grub does not exist
[22:34] <EriC^^> /boot/grub/custom.cfg
[22:34] <zamabe> Jordan_U: I added, not modified.
[22:34] <EriC^^> it doesn't exist by default
[22:34] <zamabe> ah
[22:34] <Jordan_U> zamabe: Create /boot/grub/custom.cfg if it doesn't already exist.
[22:36] <zamabe> Jordan_U: doesn't get read.
[22:37] <EriC^^> zamabe: what doesn't? it doesn't show up in grub.cfg it's pulled in when grub boots
[22:37] <EriC^^> like ~/.profile sources .bashrc i guess
[22:37] <zamabe> oh, bleh, /boot
[22:37]  * zamabe facepalms some
[22:37]  * zamabe moves stuff from /etc
[22:40] <zamabe> EriC^^: :D Thank you
[22:40] <zamabe> custom.cfg works
[22:40] <EriC^^> no problem
[22:41] <zamabe> Is custom.cfg a set path or is anything under /boot/grub/*.cfg read?
[22:41] <anabain> what is the correct way to get rid of baloo in kubuntu 15.10?
[22:41] <EriC^^> zamabe: it's pulled in at the end of grub.cfg
[22:41] <zamabe> ah
[22:42] <zamabe> huh, so it is. Thanks :)
[22:43] <myself__> Thanks Linux! all 12 of my Camera Drones are in sync finally with Open-source Linux Remote control all 12 drones at once perfect flying ,i programmed different flight patterns and tactical defense maneuvers ...all ready for this years Annual Bohemian Grove Protest /Cookout
[22:44] <EriC^^> zamabe: no problem  :)
[22:44] <myself__> Drone The Grove 2016
[22:44] <Bashing-om> anabain: How did you install baloo ?
[22:45] <Bashing-om> !indo baloo wily | anabain
[22:45] <Bashing-om> !info baloo wily | anabain
[22:46] <anabain> thanks, Bashing-om, I wanted to disable it, and I think I've found the solution
[22:46] <neredsenvy> I wish we had more OS options to pick from
[22:47] <zamabe> neredsenvy: distrowatch lists around 100+
[22:47] <Bashing-om> anabain: Depending on the desired end-result one can remove OR purge the app .
[22:47] <zamabe> feel free to choose any?
[22:48] <anabain> Bashing-om, I just wanted to disable it, thanks anyway
[22:49] <Bashing-om> anabain: :)
[22:53] <cronjeremy> exit
[22:53] <zamabe> neredsenvy: 277 to be more precise
[22:57] <user_shravan> How can I Install VLC player on my Ubuntu box on home without internet, I can download file from my office
[22:58] <nicomachus> user_shravan: use a USB
[22:59] <user_shravan> from where should I download this VLC player for offline install
[22:59] <Bashing-om> user_shravan: If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. See also APTonCD .
[23:00] <ngomes> Bashing-om, does it cover the dependencies ?
[23:00] <Bashing-om> ngomes: Yeah .. the package manager has control .
[23:01] <ngomes> Bashing-om, i mean , generating the script for download the packages , for other machine instalation
[23:01] <ngomes> including it in the script
[23:14] <SHravan> hi
[23:16] <lotuspsychje> SHravan: welcome, what can we do for you?
[23:17] <eikon81g> does anyone have a good recommendation on a calendar app that works well with google accounts?
[23:18] <eikon81g> I saw some stuff on evolution.. the page I was looking at said it had some bugs right now.
[23:18] <k1l_> eikon81g: thunderbird works.
[23:19] <eikon81g> Ok, I will look at that, I haven't used a mail client in quite sometime.. thanks k1l_
[23:22]  * eelstrebor really hates it when some update crashes his mail server
[23:23] <anabain> why this does not work? ssh root@rotpos kill $(ps aux | grep '[d]olphin' | awk '{print $2}')
[23:23] <anabain> (I've enable root login, the problem is the kill command)
[23:23] <anabain> enabled
[23:25] <geirha> anabain: the ps aux | grep stuff is run locally
[23:25] <anabain> geirha, and what has to be done to get it run remotely?
[23:26] <geirha> ssh root@rotpos pkill dolphin
[23:27] <anabain> ok, thanks
[23:35] <brandnewbian> Anyone know a good util for pinging a list of hosts (or a crafty CLI)? Basically a GUI for a list of servers bandwidth health?
[23:36] <zamabe> nmap has a few GUIs
[23:36] <zamabe> zenmap being the official
[23:38] <groats_> Hola, I'm trying to svn update as www-data
[23:38] <groats_> Is this possible?
[23:40] <brandnewbian> zamabe: ya im not looking to map ports or anyything. just literally do a ping test on a list of servers. trying to find best exit point from my VPN provider...
[23:41] <zamabe> brandnewbian: good thing nmap literally has a ping scan option :)
[23:43] <zamabe> though you may just want to do: for ip in <ip> <ip> <ip>; do ping $ip
[23:43] <brandnewbian> >zamabe can I feed it a list of hosts? The GUI's always been wonky
[23:43] <csmule> I keep trying ot set /etc/sercurity/limits.conf to allow unlimited
[23:43] <csmule> *             hard    nofile          unlimited
[23:43] <csmule> *             soft    nofile          unlimited
[23:43] <csmule> But I run ulimit -n and it still shows 1024
[23:44] <zamabe> brandnewbian: yeah, just put commas in. ip1,ip2,ip3,ip4
[23:45] <b1rdd0g> I have installed a guest CentOS 7 KVM under Ubuntu 14.04 host. It does not appear that the VM has any network configured. Is this an appropriate channel to discuss howto get my CentOS KVM configured to connect to the Internet via my Ubuntu host?
[23:53] <tgm4883> b1rdd0g: probably not. It's likely a config issue in centos 7. We'd be able to support the internet connection up to the VM hardware, but at that point it would be up to CentOS to figure it out
[23:53] <tgm4883> b1rdd0g: you'd be able to verify by booting a ubuntu ISO in there and seeing if it gets an IP address
[23:54] <tgm4883> b1rdd0g: however, depending on how familiar with centos you are, the NIC probably just isn't set to be enabled at boot