[00:10] <yofel> I merged 5% of applications..
[00:10] <yofel> this will take a while
[00:14] <valorie> weee
[00:15] <valorie> yofel: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} for doing all this work
[00:17] <snele> guys just to let you know I installed wily on test partition, installed updates, added backports-landing ppa and after reboot system wont boot
[00:17] <snele> in dmesg there are sddm segfalts 
[00:17] <valorie> that's not good
[00:17] <snele> i can start system with startx but its broken
[00:18] <yofel> ouch
[00:19] <yofel> is apport catching the crash at least?
[00:20] <snele> yofel: system is not booting. when I boot it with startx command plasma crashes and freezes all the time
[00:20] <snele> yofel: in dmesg it said something like this "sddm segfalt in qt5core.co"
[00:21] <snele> maybe I had no luck :)
[00:22] <snele> *i just had no luck :)
[00:22] <valorie> snele: if you try updating and full-upgrade again, does anything more happen?
[00:22] <yofel> well, it''s not like I haven't seen sddm crashes in the past. But this is too vague for debugging :/
[00:22] <snele> valorie: no.
[00:24] <yofel> well, I'm off to bed for now. I'll read in the morning if you find out more. nini
[00:25] <valorie> sweet dreams, yofel
[00:25] <snele> nite yofel
[00:25] <valorie> snele: how about sudo apt install -f
[00:26] <valorie> where -f=fix
[00:26] <snele> valorie: tried that also
[00:26] <valorie> and dpkg configure -a ?
[00:26] <snele> all packages installed without errors. i don't know what went wrong
[00:27] <valorie> bleah
[00:27] <snele> valorie: i didn't tried last one 
[00:27] <valorie> well, your example is keeping me from upgrading 
[00:27] <valorie> until later, at least
[00:27] <valorie> snele: that should catch any bad configs
[00:28] <snele> what i really want to test is xenial but installer crashes on dailies... :(
[00:28] <snele> valorie: I will reboot to test
[00:28] <valorie> I've not upgraded xenial either
[00:28] <valorie> yet
[01:07] <snele> valorie: I could not fix it
[01:07] <snele> I will install again wily on test partition and test again
[01:08] <snele> tomorrow
[02:25] <DarinMiller> What's the easiest way to see a log of today's discussions? Has anyone mentioned that 5.5.3 landing causes sddm to fail? This may be an upstream issue, but it showed up with landing update. 
[02:26] <DarinMiller> I checked on bugs.kde.org but have yet to find a similar bug.
[02:28] <ahoneybun> DarinMiller, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/12/%23kubuntu-devel.html
[02:29] <ahoneybun> today: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/11/%23kubuntu-devel.html
[02:29] <ahoneybun> the other one is kinda tomorrow's lol
[02:29] <DarinMiller> Cool. I am new to IRC as you probably guessed.
[02:30] <ahoneybun> it's all good, Welcome!
[02:30] <ahoneybun> we were all new once
[02:37] <_Groo_> yofel: im glad to report that the wifi problem was an old plasmashellrc
[02:38] <_Groo_> once i got rid of the crud it started working correctly
[02:45] <DarinMiller> btw, I found a "fix" for the xenial install failure.  I will post in a second for snele reference.  And to answer snele question, 16.04 also has the sddm failure.
[02:49] <DarinMiller> To fix xenial install issue (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1529450  AttributeError: 'PageKde' object has no attribute 'get_secureboot_key')
[02:53] <DarinMiller> Grab a 15.10 iso and mount it (Disk image mounter in dolphin works great). 
[02:54] <DarinMiller> Copy /casper/filesystem.squashfs to a temp directory
[02:55] <DarinMiller> navigate to the temp dir and run sudo unsquashfs -x filesystem.squashfs
[02:56] <DarinMiller> renme squashfs-root directory to 15.10
[02:58] <DarinMiller> grab the same filesytem.squash file from the 16.04 and perform the same operation
[02:58] <DarinMiller> copy the /usr/lib/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-prepare.py from the 15.10 sub folder to the same loacation in the 16.04 folder.
[02:59] <DarinMiller> then run the following command on the 16.04 folder sudo mksquashfs squashfs-root filesystem.squashfs -b 1024k -comp xz -Xbcj x86 -e boot
[03:00] <DarinMiller> make a std bootable 16.04 bootable usb and copy the new filesystem.squashfs file to the /casper directory on the 16.04 iso. 
[03:01] <DarinMiller> Install as usual.
[03:02] <DarinMiller> Not sure why, but when I make my squash file, it's ~300 to 400mb smaller than the original.
[03:03] <DarinMiller> Note: unsquashing and resquashing must be performed as root on the 16.04 file to maintain correction permissions.
[05:44] <soee> hiho
[05:44] <soee> why so long names: plasma-look-and-feel-org-kde-breezedark-desktop and qml-module-qtquick-controls-styles-breeze ?
[07:11] <soee> yofel: were there any important changes in sddm lately? Atm. if i logout and try to login, it fails 2 times (if i enter password i see black screen with some text for 1-2 sec. and im moved back to sddm), than third attempt works fine
[07:58] <stefanw> hey guys, i'd like to test plasma 5.5.3
[08:02] <soee> hi stefanw
[08:02] <stefanw> hi soee
[08:02] <soee> stefanw: you wan tot test it for Wily right ?
[08:03] <stefanw> yes. i am already using kubuntu-ci/unstable but would like something with less #updates per hour ;)
[08:04] <soee> well i'm not sure if it is good idea to mix kubuntu-ci/unstable with backports landing ppa
[08:04] <soee> but to test out packages you have to add: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[08:05] <stefanw> i would of course purge kubuntu-ci first
[08:05] <soee> it contains Plasma 5.5.3 and Frameworks 5.18
[08:05] <soee> stefanw: ok so please do it first
[08:05] <soee> than test are more accurate
[08:07] <stefanw> soee: sure
[08:55] <stefanw> soee: i'm on plasma 5.5.3 - already much better then kubuntu-ci/unstable and plasma 5.4.x
[08:55] <stefanw> soee: no issues so far
[08:56] <stefanw> s/then/than
[09:02] <soee> stefanw: no errors during upgrade etc ?
[09:04] <stefanw> no errors during upgrade
[09:04] <stefanw> it only asked me about an sddm config file that i supposedly changed and i chose to use the package-maintainer's version
[09:05] <valorie> soee: did you see the comments earlier about sddm?
[09:05] <valorie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1529450
[09:06] <valorie> noone assigned as yet
[09:06] <soee> what comments ? :)
[09:08] <valorie> snele had a bad experience as did another user who posted that bug report link
[09:08] <valorie> you asked about sddm earlier
[09:23] <soee_> yofel: so stefanw tested Plasma 5.5.3 for willy and says all went fine
[09:58] <clivejo> good morning ladies and gentlemens
[10:55] <jussi> Good Evening all
[11:18] <soee_> hiho clivejo
[11:19] <clivejo> hi soee_
[11:19] <clivejo> anything exciting with you?
[11:22] <clivejo> morning bluesabre#
[11:22] <clivejo> morning BluesKaj even
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:23] <bluesabre> morning clivejo :)
[11:23] <BluesKaj> 'Morning clivejo
[11:24] <clivejo> sorry bluesabre, my autocomplete picked your username rather than BluesKaj
[11:25] <BluesKaj> too much blues around :-)
[11:27]  * BluesKaj has been using the same nick on irc for almost 17 yrs
[11:27] <soee_> BluesKaj: can you test Plasma 5.5.3 fir Wily ?
[11:28] <bluesabre> clivejo: np, I had a feeling that was the case
[11:28] <BluesKaj> soee_, sorry I can't . Wily is behind me now, on Xenial 
[11:30] <soee_> lordievader: you have Wily ?
[11:32] <BluesKaj> I've got 3 ppas on the go in my sources.list , cli -stable, staging and landing...no breakage yet
[11:33] <BluesKaj> but I think staging is pretty inactive atm
[11:33] <soee_> landing now containts all stuff to test i think
[11:34] <clivejo> you have CI stable enanbled?
[11:35] <BluesKaj> yes
[11:35] <clivejo> :/
[11:35] <BluesKaj> I have 14.04 as my fall back OS 
[11:36] <clivejo> oh ok
[11:36] <BluesKaj> clivejo, why ?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> no breakage so far now for 5 days
[11:37] <clivejo> lot of breakages due to epochs will be coming via CI
[11:38] <yofel> soee_: I don't know of any sddm changes that would make sddm fail a couple times before working. So far there only seem to be a couple people that sddm doesn't work at all for.
[11:39] <yofel> although I'm wondering if that's really sddm or qt5.5
[11:41] <soee_> brb
[11:41] <mparillo> The SDDM failure before success happens to me regularly on Manjaro on real HW, but never on Kubuntu and never in a VM. If there are versions of SW I should compare I would be happy to try.
[11:48] <lordievader> stefanw: Yes?
[11:48] <lordievader> Err, that was for soee.
[11:49] <soee> yes?
[11:49] <lordievader> 12-12:30 < soee_> lordievader: you have Wily ?
[11:49] <lordievader> Yes ;)
[11:50] <soee> lordievader: can you test Plasma 5.5.3 ?
[11:50] <lordievader> If that is in the backports-landing ppa I already did. Upgraded to that yesterday.
[11:51] <soee> lordievader: all fine ?
[11:51] <lordievader> Seemed so, installed fine, rebooted fine.
[11:51] <soee> yofel: ^ next user reports that upgrade to Plasma 5.5.3 works fine :)
[11:51] <soee> *on Wily
[11:52] <soee> brb
[11:52] <yofel> ok, so SDDM seem to be our problem child really, and that seems to be hardware dependent :S
[11:56] <clivejo> what hardware?
[11:59] <yofel> no idea, I'm just guessing what the problem could be
[11:59] <clivejo> oh I thought you had discovered something
[12:00]  * yofel wonders why he has 90 apt-check processes running
[12:00] <yofel> that thing is so broken
[12:00] <soee_> also login failing attempts are a bit random, i needed 5 attemts also of single one, or after waiting like 1 min inactive in sddm it went after first time i think
[12:07] <yofel> aaand apt-check crashed my systemd
[12:07] <yofel> *system
[12:10] <lordievader> Wut, how?
[12:10] <lordievader> By spawning too many processes?
[12:11] <yofel> yep, last I saw I had 89 processes running, which eventually spammed swap and thanks to OOM-killer being broken in current kernels the system just locked up
[12:13] <soee_> BluesKaj: can you test for me one thing on Xenial ?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> soee_, sure
[12:16] <soee_> BluesKaj: please create new user (call it test or whatever), than on your account add User Switch widget and see if this new user is listed there and you can switch to it
[12:20] <BluesKaj> soee_, I don't like fooling with user accts since I know so little about them, being the only user on this pc I've never had reason to add or change users
[12:22] <vip> hello
[12:24] <clivejo> soee_: doing that now
[12:26] <soee_> clivejo: thanks
[12:26] <clivejo> The widget just has New session
[12:27] <clivejo> I click that and it brings me back to a SDDM login
[12:27] <BluesKaj> thanks clivejo :-)
[12:27] <clivejo> Test user was there and I clicked on it and typed password, openned a new Plasma session as Test user
[12:28] <clivejo> I logged out of Test and back to login and things got a bit corrupt
[12:29] <soee_> yeah, for me when i changed sessions, sound was playing from the previous one
[12:29] <soee_> then when i get back to my account audio applet was red - some error :/
[12:29] <clivejo> oh I didnt have anything playing
[12:30] <clivejo> I mean the display is corrupt
[12:30] <clivejo> http://postimg.org/image/rm62bqafh/
[12:30] <clivejo> Letters missing, no name on the account 
[12:31] <clivejo> let me play something
[12:34] <soee_> brb
[12:36] <clivejo> ok the sound stops at the login screen
[12:36] <clivejo> and resumes when I click to unlock my regular account
[12:37] <soee> and it works fine>
[12:37] <clivejo> yup
[12:37] <clivejo> song picked up where I left it
[12:38] <clivejo> anyone else had that garabled font thing? 
[12:38] <clivejo> I had it for a while in wily development
[12:38] <clivejo> but it disappeared
[12:38] <clivejo> seems its back!
[12:38]  * yofel remembers seeing that once months ago
[12:39] <clivejo> sddm related?
[12:41] <yofel> no idea
[12:42] <clivejo> seems odd to have regressed after update to sddm?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> odd, just switched activities and  konversation disappeared and quit 
[13:07] <soee_> Maxiride: hiho
[13:08] <soee_> Maxiride: install ppa-purge first
[13:09] <soee_> Maxiride: than add this ppa: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing (run: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing)
[13:09] <soee_> than: sudo apt update
[13:09] <soee_> sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:15] <soee_> if something goes wrong purge backports landing ppa running: sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[13:15] <soee_> if all will be fine, you can remove testing ppa by running: sudo apt-add-repository --remove ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[13:15] <Maxiride> soee: ppa-purge installed and ppa added. However I'll wait this late evening for the upgrade becuase I'm currently running simulations with Mathematica for the University. So not the right moment to test new stuff :D
[13:15] <nicols> hello .... how can i help with 5.5.3? :)
[13:15] <soee_> nicols: welcome :)
[13:15] <yofel> vendors should seriously make the enter button red on keyboards
[13:15] <nicols> just add  ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing and do a dist-upgrade?
[13:15] <soee_> nicols: do you have Wily running ?
[13:15] <yofel> what could possibly go wrong by pressing it? ^^
[13:15] <soee_> nicols: run: sudo apt full-upgrade
[13:15] <nicols> soee_: i have at home, at work we have lts policy so i am on 14.04 .... i will be at home in few hours
[13:15] <soee_> nicols: than please report if upgrade was smooth or you had some errors
[13:15] <soee_> nicols: sure :) when you have time
[13:15] <nicols> soee_: just to look for errors during full-upgrade?
[13:16] <soee_> nicols: yes, than test if your system works fine after upgrade
[13:16] <nicols> soee_: OK. I will report here asap :)
[13:17] <soee_> thank you
[14:10] <ovidiu-florin> I see plasma 5.5.3 for wily is in the green
[14:10] <ovidiu-florin> except 2 orange
[14:10] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: does that mean we will get it soon in backports?
[14:11] <sgclark> good morning
[14:11] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: it's already in backports-landing for wily and ~ready for testing
[14:12] <yofel> I forgot about that breeze warning though, should be looked at maybe
[14:13] <yofel> hm, and we need something that actually causes breeze-gtk to get installed
[14:40] <soee_> ovidiu-florin: if you can test 5.5.3 for Wily please do, i'm collecting testers input
[16:42] <clivejo> soee: have you a shared doc of the tester input you are collecting?
[17:04] <sgclark> seems I do not have a wily lying around, dunno if I will get to making a vm today :(
[17:06] <sgclark> pim is still a mess, I am going to try to build the whole darn thing locally...
[17:23] <nicols> soee_: apt full-upgrade done without any errors. just rebooted my machine. what/where to look ? :)
[17:58] <clivejo> BluesKaj: ping
[17:58] <BluesKaj> clivejo, pong
[17:58] <clivejo> your on xenial?
[17:58] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:59] <clivejo> open krunner and press the down arow
[18:00] <yofel> interesting
[18:00] <BluesKaj> there is no down arrow, only a red X
[18:00] <clivejo> down arrow on your keyboard
[18:00] <yofel> that should *still* have a button though
[18:01] <yofel> I wonder how many undocumented features plasma actually has
[18:01] <BluesKaj> clivejo, well, well ... :-)
[18:01] <clivejo> yofel: thats what I reckoned, but I seen the "Clear History" button and wondered what its for
[18:01] <clivejo> just asked in Plasma and they said krunner does have history!
[18:02] <clivejo> I know BluesKaj has been missing that feature :)
[18:02] <sgclark> oh, I knew thT
[18:02] <sgclark> that*
[18:02] <clivejo> but I do agree a button would be nice
[18:02] <sgclark> guess that is why I had history and no one esle did haha
[18:03] <yofel> I always thought the "clear history" thing was for the autocompletion
[18:03] <yofel> someone file a bug for bad UI design
[18:03] <BluesKaj> yeah  drop down like ordinary dialogs would be nice, but I'll settle for the down arrow 
[18:03] <clivejo> yofel: are you monitoring #plasma?
[18:04] <yofel> I'm in there, but usually don't read it. /me looks
[18:04] <clivejo> mck182 is having trouble with apt-get
[18:05] <clivejo> I havent noticed that
[18:13] <nicols> hello
[18:14] <clivejo> hi nicols
[18:15] <nicols> Executable: plasmashell PID: 3050 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 12.01.2016. 19:15:08
[18:16] <nicols> plasmashel crashed 3 times in 5 minutes :(
[18:16] <yofel> if that happens when you try to update your packages, then that's known
[18:16] <yofel> but I think that's the only plasma crash we know of so far
[18:18] <nicols> i was doing apt-get update in konsole when plasmashel crashed :)
[18:18] <nicols> so, that's known bug?
[18:18] <clivejo> nicols: thats a known issue :)
[18:18] <clivejo> A "feature" for testers :P
[18:18] <nicols> ok
[18:18] <nicols> i will keep testing other stuff :)
[18:19] <clivejo> once you do an update and upgrade, it will stop
[18:19] <yofel> nicols: kde 357704
[18:20] <nicols> was that also a bug in 5.4 ?
[18:21] <clivejo> no
[18:21] <clivejo> plasma 5.5.3
[18:21] <nicols> ok
[18:22] <clivejo> if you have a KDE Bug account, you should add your name to the list
[18:23] <nicols> i have an account on https://bugs.kde.org/ ... is that it?
[18:23] <clivejo> yup
[18:24] <clivejo> just add a "Me too" on that bug report
[18:24] <clivejo> you will get status updates then
[18:25] <nicols> i added a comment ... is that the same?
[18:25] <clivejo> sgclark: can you poke that bug to confirmed?
[18:25] <clivejo> or is there a process?
[18:25] <clivejo> nicols: yup thats how you do it
[18:28] <yofel> clivejo, mck182: FYI: This was an interesting article on oom sadness: https://lwn.net/Articles/668126/
[18:29] <clivejo> Ive never have any OOM problems on Kubuntu
[18:29] <yofel> consider yourself lucky
[18:29] <clivejo> Rasbian, now thats a different story!
[18:30] <clivejo> Ive destroyed a number of SD Cards :/
[18:30] <yofel> pft, that's easy.
[18:30] <yofel> Make kswapd give up with 8G memory, that's fun
[18:32] <steps_> hi, so update was almost fine, it stucked on some icons package, until I closed all running apps. after reboot x ran into just some broken graphic mess, then after performing dpkg in recovery mode, it installed 60 more packages and now it runs but in some safe graphic mode with xrender
[18:33] <steps_> on wily
[18:34] <yofel> steps_: could you please pastebin your /var/log/apt/term.log?
[18:38] <yofel> bbl
[18:41] <clivejo> do I have a personal git on LP?
[18:41] <steps_> oh I can't even open it, kate keeps crashing
[18:41] <ovidiu-florin> soee_: can you give me the ppa?
[18:42] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: what PPA you need?
[18:42] <steps_> http://pastebin.com/ssNuUjqf
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> backports wily testing
[18:43] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[18:44] <clivejo> steps_: sorry I cant read that!
[18:47] <steps_> it's weird, log ends before that reboot
[19:03] <Maxiride_> good evening, just did the full upgrade to the new plasma from wily. No errors at all except for a question regarding a Xsession config file. I've left the default option [N] to keep the version already installed.
[19:08] <Maxiride_> anyway the only bug I had till now is a little glitch in the rendering of the process manager bar in my desktop panel. Looks like shadows are not rendered. Might it be related to the Xsession choose I made?
[19:11] <yofel> clivejo: yes, you do https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Configuring_Git
[19:12] <clivejo> :)
[19:12] <clivejo> happy days
[19:14] <clivejo> yofel: is the core meeting a KCC one?
[19:17] <clivejo> never heard of WET time before
[19:21] <ovidiu-florin> $ c++filt _ZN6Okular20TextDocumentSettingsD0Ev@Base
[19:21] <ovidiu-florin> this did not demangle
[19:21] <yofel> remove the @Base
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> why?
[19:24] <ovidiu-florin> it works, but why?
[19:25] <clivejo> magic
[19:25] <ovidiu-florin> black magic
[19:25]  * clivejo nods knowingly
[19:26] <yofel> the part after the @ is some kind of version suffix, I don't quite remember it's meaning
[19:27] <yofel> but as it's not part of the symbol itself, c++filt can't translate that
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> then perhaps....
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> $ echo  _ZN6Okular20TextDocumentSettingsD0Ev@Base | c++filt 
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> yup 
[19:27] <ovidiu-florin> this works
[19:28]  * ovidiu-florin is happy he read the manpage
[19:31] <belluzj> Hello! I've just seen the blog post on Planet KDE about testing Plasma 5.5 on kubuntu Wily... how could I help?
[19:33] <Maxiride_> belluzj: welcome there. I'm not a developer but instead a tester. Anyway if you are already on wily add the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing and run an apt full-upgrade
[19:33] <clivejo> belluzj: there are a few known issues, the major one is plasmashell crashing when you do a apt-get update
[19:35] <clivejo> it is a rather annoying bug and will hpoefully be resolved soon
[19:35] <clivejo> but if you can ignore that and help test, that would be great
[19:35] <Maxiride_> clivejo: How can I find the exact package of something to properly file a bug?
[19:36] <clivejo> what bug are you filing?
[19:37] <Maxiride_> I'm having some rendering inssue with the task manager in my plasma panel. Looks like shadows are not rendered. However when going to Dolphin->Option->Help->Report a bug, in the drop down menu I can't find the Task Manager entry.
[19:37] <clivejo> the crashing plasma bug seems to be the muon updater which its supposed to notify you in the system tray
[19:38] <clivejo> plasma bugs are reoprted via bugs.kde.org
[19:38] <yofel> Maxiride_: on bugs.kde.org -> product: plasmashell, component: System Tray
[19:39] <belluzj> thanks, I'll upgrade
[19:41] <Maxiride_> yofel: yeah thanks! Found it, didn't thought it was under plasmashell.
[19:41] <Maxiride_> clivejo: yep I know, indeed the Dolphin Report a Bug window once choosen the app uses bugs.kde.org to file it
[19:48] <nicols> hmmm .... plasmashell crashed again, but this time i wasnt running update: Executable: plasmashell PID: 3199 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 12.01.2016. 20:47:50
[19:49] <yofel> please try to get a stacktrace, otherwise we can't do anything
[19:49] <nicols> does this help: http://pastebin.com/v73sA6uk
[19:50] <yofel> nicols: please at least install plasma-workspace-dbg and refresh it
[19:50] <yofel> but that's indeed something I haven't seen yet
[19:52]  * yofel wonders what's up with that half-decoded libQt5Qml.so.5 o.O
[19:52] <nicols> yofel: what do you mean with refresh? restart?
[19:52] <yofel> no, drkonqi has a refresh button for the trace
[19:53] <yofel> might be a qt crash though :/
[19:53] <yofel> nicols: you're on wily, right?
[19:53] <nicols> yes
[19:58] <yofel> hm, plasma 5.5 still can't set the master channel for the volume applet :(
[19:59] <mamarley> Yeah, for that reason I am still using KMix.
[19:59] <michelsedgh> guys is plasma 5.5 stable or i have to face many crashes? i hate crashes :D
[20:00] <Sho_> I haven't had crashes in months
[20:00] <yofel> michelsedgh: there is at least one that occurs every time apt updates its lists, so you might want to wait a bit
[20:00] <michelsedgh> Great!
[20:00] <michelsedgh> yofel: hm, is there any workaround or no? :c
[20:01] <yofel> well, uninstalling muon-notifier/plasma-discover-notifier would probably work..
[20:01] <michelsedgh> thanks :) 
[20:02] <michelsedgh> and im a little noob to changing plasma. can i downgrade later?
[20:03] <nicols> i have installed plasma-workspace-dbg ... how to report properly? how to start drkonqi? (sorry, i am new with this)
[20:03] <yofel> michelsedgh: you can ppa-purge the PPA, but I don't know how well plasma will handle changed config files
[20:04] <yofel> nicols: drkonqi should auto-start when it crashes, you'll have to wait for the next crash
[20:04] <yofel> then it'll have a report button in the dialog
[20:04] <michelsedgh> thanks yofel i will wait a little bit for a more stable version :) thanks alot for your help
[20:04] <nicols> yofel: do i need kdelibs5-dbg ?
[20:05] <yofel> nicols: no, that's kde4
[20:09] <nicols> yofel: just had plasmashell crash, started crash reporting assistant and it says: "this report does not contain anough information..." ehat am i donig wrong?
[20:12] <yofel> hm, still too many symbols missing
[20:13] <yofel> nicols: does the install debug symbols button install anything more?
[20:15] <nicols> plasma-dicover-dbg  .... installing :)
[20:21] <Maxiride_> How can I deleted the theme cache?
[20:21] <Maxiride_> *delete
[20:23] <yofel> Maxiride_: that should be in /var/tmp/kdetmp-$USER 
[20:23] <yofel> oops
[20:23] <yofel>  /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER
[20:24] <yofel> either there or somewhere under ~/.cache
[20:28] <Maxiride_> yofel: under  ~/.cache there is plasmashell folder, while under the kdecache just icons files.
[20:30] <Maxiride_> Elke Hein on bugs.kde.org suggested to "Try quitting plasmashell, deleting the theme cache and restarting it." to solve the rendering issue on the task manager but I've no clue how to proceed except killing plasmashell yofel
[20:30] <Maxiride_> actually is Eike xD
[20:30] <Sho_> Maxiride_: kquitapp5 plasmashell; cd $HOME/.cache; rm plasma*; sleep 2s; kstart5 plasmashell
[20:30] <yofel> quitting plasmashell is "kquitapp plasmashell", then you can restart it from krunner. But I'm not sure where the theme cache is these days
[20:32] <clivejo> when someone has time yofel or sgclark: would you teach me how to merge?
[20:32] <Maxiride_> Sho_: thanks! rm plasma* did the job. Artifacts gone for now.
[20:32] <Sho_> Maxiride_: thanks
[20:32] <Sho_> (I'm Eike)
[20:32] <Sho_> well free to mark the bug WORKSFORME then
[20:33] <yofel> clivejo: classic procedure is to take the debian package, look at the diff between that and ubuntu and apply all necessary changes to the debian package so it can be uploaded to ubuntu
[20:34] <yofel> clivejo: for kde I usually take the shortcut by just doing "git checkout kubuntu_xenial_archive; git merge origin/master"
[20:34] <yofel> and then figuring things out from there
[20:34] <yofel> and just put "Merge with debian git master" in the changelog
[20:35] <Maxiride_> Sho_: sure
[20:36] <yofel> clivejo: one note: if debian adds autopkgtests (i.e. debian/tests), you need to add "XS-Testsuite: autopkgtest" to the source section of the control file
[20:36] <yofel> look at e.g. akonadi
[20:38] <yofel> might as well do some merges considering that I'm bored..
[20:40] <yofel> clivejo: I just added the changelog merge git config to the trello card
[20:41] <nicols> yofel: http://pastebin.com/ZR7qei5X
[20:42] <yofel> nicols: that's the muon crash 
[20:42] <yofel> you can recognize that by line 90
[20:46] <yofel> clivejo: before you commit the merge, I recommend reading "git diff HEAD" though
[20:46] <yofel> sometimes the merge might bring in changes you don't want - or already have in another place
[20:47] <nicols> yofel: ok
[20:47] <yofel> clivejo: e.g. debian is often missing unstable in the watch files
[20:48] <clivejo> I need to go through one
[20:48] <nicols> yofel: i will wait for another crash and comapre report ... if it is different, i'll paste it here :)
[20:48] <yofel> sure, thanks
[20:49] <clivejo> wow, senile FIX is 198
[20:49] <clivejo> havent seen it that low in ages!
[20:49] <michelsedgh> did you see the bug that plasma shortcuts change back to defult on restart/logout?
[20:49] <yofel> now that neon tries to get stuff working people care I guess
[20:50]  * yofel hasn't tried changing any shortcuts since the upgrade..
[20:50] <michelsedgh> in 5.4 i mean
[20:50] <yofel> haven't noticed that
[20:51] <clivejo> is it not due to sgclark merging and fixing stuff in apps ?
[20:51] <nicols> yofel: i think this one is different: http://pastebin.com/EyJGGrS1
[20:51] <yofel> maybe
[20:53] <Maxiride_> Thanks for the help provided =) Quitting for nighttime here. See you
[20:54] <yofel> sometimes parts of git's automatic merge behavior really drive me insane
[20:55] <clivejo> yofel: ??
[20:55] <yofel> unlike a normal commit, you can't really reset a merge without redoing it completely
[20:56] <yofel> actually, I probably just forgot one of the bazillon options
[20:56] <clivejo> what is kubuntu_unstable_utopic?
[20:56] <yofel> no idea
[20:56] <clivejo> and kubuntu_stable_utopic
[20:57] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/kwin.git/ ?
[20:57] <yofel> sounds like historic stuff that shouldn't exist
[20:57] <yofel> but is there because debian doesn't allow branch deletion
[20:58] <clivejo> should it not just be left behind?
[20:58] <nicols> yofel: can you decode anything from my report?
[20:58] <yofel> nicols: that's the crash you had earlier, can you report that?
[20:59] <yofel> clivejo: as I said, we can't delete stuff
[21:00] <nicols> yofel: to https://bugs.kde.org/ ?
[21:00] <yofel> the crash manager has a report button, please use that
[21:02] <nicols> ok
[21:04]  * clivejo has had to install an old theme http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Breeze+Dark+Classic+%285.4+look%29?content=174361
[21:04] <clivejo> really dont like the new themes
[21:05] <yofel> I can tolerate it. The only really bad part is the pink-ish highlight color
[21:08] <yofel> ah right, git reset --soft does what I want
[21:09] <yofel> But then doesn't add the changelog back, bah
[21:10] <clivejo> sounds too compliated for me
[21:11] <yofel> that's just for when you mess up, which to me happens all the time -.-
[21:11] <yofel> oh great, apps 15.12.1 is out
[21:11] <yofel> guess I'll bump versions as I merge
[21:13] <yofel> I wonder if the double-update protection in staging-upload still works
[21:16] <yofel> hm, actually, not much point in running the script at all
[21:17] <yofel> we need to merge, so just bumping stuff by hand will work the same
[21:30] <sgclark> yofel: clivejo: yeah I am trying to fix unstable stuff between pim builds.
[21:31] <sgclark> and yeah some of the merge failures are right baffeling, many times I cannot reproduce locally. drives me mad.
[21:32] <yofel> hm, didn't we have some way to figure out QML deps?
[21:33] <sgclark> sounds like something we discussed @ munich? don't recall the answer
[21:33] <yofel> ah, the packages have sane names. That helps a lot
[21:33] <yofel> QtQuick.Controls -> qml-module-qtquick-controls
[21:35] <nicols> i have probelm with vlc
[21:35] <nicols> lower 1/5 of video is black
[21:36] <nicols> in dragon looks ok
[21:36] <nicols> vlc is same version as in 5.4
[21:40] <yofel> wheee, akonadi-search has more missing symbols in 15.12.1
[21:41] <sgclark> hmmm I see your doing stuff, I will stop beating my head against pim...
[21:42] <yofel> I'm doing merges and updates at the same time, but this is starting to get really annoying
[21:43] <yofel> guess we'll just hope that in the end having the build-deps be >= 15.12 will be enough to make stuff work -.-
[21:55] <yofel> sgclark: is there anything left to merge in plasma? Or can we just remove the checklist from trello?
[21:56] <sgclark> yofel: looks like still quite a bit
[21:56] <yofel> hm k
[22:39] <ovidiu-florin> I can't sleep
[22:39] <ovidiu-florin> so I'm solving the symbols on okular
[22:39] <ovidiu-florin> I've done 4 so far
[22:44] <yofel> anything unclear?
[22:45] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: 
[22:45] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[22:45] <ovidiu-florin> it seems to be missing the vtable for Okular::ConfigInterface
[22:46] <ovidiu-florin> search for _ZTVN6Okular15ConfigInterfaceE
[22:46] <yofel> right, it does say so
[22:46] <yofel> +#MISSING: 4:15.12.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa3# (optional)_ZTVN6Okular15ConfigInterfaceE@Base 4:14.12.0
[22:47] <yofel> so, what's the question?
[22:47] <ovidiu-florin> the class has virtual functions
[22:48] <ovidiu-florin> https://lxr.kde.org/source/kde/kdegraphics/okular/interfaces/configinterface.h
[22:48] <ovidiu-florin> so it should have a vtable
[22:49] <yofel> and are they exported by gcc as part of the public interface? (That's all the symbol files care about)
[22:50] <ovidiu-florin> they are public funtions
[22:51] <yofel> and if you build the binary, "nm -DC <libfile>" will show the symbols?
[22:51] <ovidiu-florin> what do I give as <libfile>
[22:51] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[22:52] <ovidiu-florin> and I assume I run that
[22:52] <yofel> libokularcore or how it's called
[22:52] <ovidiu-florin> in the pbuilder
[22:52] <yofel> the symbol files don't care about the specifics of the C++ API, they only care about what symbols actually get exported by g++
[22:53] <yofel> which is one reason why they're insufficient to do vtable tracking, you need at least abi-compliciance-checker for that
[22:53]  * ovidiu-florin researches "g++ export symbols"
[22:54] <yofel> it's the symbols you see if you if you run "nm -D" on a lib, like, try "nm -D /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5Archive.so.5"
[22:56] <yofel> if you handle symbol files, you don't need to go into API specifics. What you need to make sure is that your file matches the auto-generated output of dpkg-gensymbols
[22:56] <yofel> that's why you see a diff in the log, it's the diff between the file in the packaging, and the auto-generated one
[22:58] <nicols> hello.... anybody with vlc player problem?
[23:01] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: and I just need to apply that diff? then why isn't this applying done automatically?
[23:02] <yofel> how would the launchpad buildds know how to commit to git?
[23:02] <yofel> also, there are cases when you need to review the diff
[23:02] <yofel> so this is a by-hand process
[23:02] <ovidiu-florin> and I'm reviewing it right now, am I not?
[23:02] <yofel> yes
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know about symbol visibility
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> I have to read about that
[23:03] <ovidiu-florin> but I'm too tired to focus on that level right now
[23:04] <yofel> well, library management is complicated, welcome to lib packaging
[23:04] <ovidiu-florin> and If I just patch it, then I loose the motivation to read on that
[23:04] <yofel> maybe I'm just confused because this is a bad example and I'm constantly wondering why you're putting so much time into it
[23:04] <yofel> but if it's for excercise, ok
[23:05] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: at work I'm the maintainer of our assembler
[23:05] <ovidiu-florin> this s**t is interesting to me
[23:05] <yofel> oh, cool
[23:05] <ovidiu-florin> it's just very exausting
[23:06] <yofel> the closest I get to this was probably today when I was trying to understand memory management in PHP -.-
[23:06] <ovidiu-florin> I added a new instruction in it recently, and I had to make tests for it
[23:06]  * valorie is updating to 5.5.3 in wily right now
[23:06] <ovidiu-florin> but to make sure the tests were correct I had to assemble the code by hand
[23:06] <ovidiu-florin> on paper
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> just a bunch of 1s and 0s
[23:07] <yofel> now I'm remembering school XD
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> lucky I had highlighters
[23:07] <ovidiu-florin> in many colors :D
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> I'm off to bed
[23:09] <yofel> nini
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> I'll read more tomorrow
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> good night
[23:09] <ovidiu-florin> thank you for the explanation
[23:10] <yofel> sure, now that I know that you're interested in this I'll gladly answer questions (maybe a bit more in depth tomorrow)
[23:10] <yofel> back to my marathon
[23:10] <yofel> *merge marathon
[23:10] <valorie> reading this chan makes me so happy lately
[23:11] <nicols> this is the problem i have with vlc since installation of 5.5.3: http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i145/nbelavic/vlc-553-problem_zpsd1lo0dya.png
[23:11] <yofel> and me so tired :P
[23:11]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} yofel and shares the coldbrew coffee
[23:11]  * yofel hugs back
[23:11] <yofel> thanks
[23:12] <valorie> nicols: odd
[23:12] <ovidiu-florin> nicols: that also happens on current plasma
[23:12] <ovidiu-florin> let me get the version
[23:12] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: lol, you are sleep-typing?
[23:12] <nicols> ovidiu-florin: it was ok in 5.4
[23:13] <ovidiu-florin> 5.4.2
[23:13] <ovidiu-florin> but only on my wife's computer
[23:13] <ovidiu-florin> not on mine
[23:13] <yofel> hey, sleep typing is an important packager skill, otherwise a day is too short to get anything done
[23:13] <ovidiu-florin> both are system76 laptops
[23:14] <ovidiu-florin> nicols: does that also happen in dragon player?
[23:15] <valorie> lovely to see the green roll out
[23:17] <ovidiu-florin> if nicols comes back, this bug needs to be reported and investigated
[23:17] <ovidiu-florin> if it's still happening in 5.5.3
[23:17]  * ovidiu-florin is off to bed now
[23:17] <ovidiu-florin> nin
[23:22] <sgclark> hmm random failure
[23:28]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} sgclark too
[23:30] <sgclark> hi valorie
[23:31]  * valorie waves from soggy Black Diamond
[23:33] <sgclark> soggy here too
[23:33] <sgclark> but I love soggy, so I am happy camper
[23:34] <valorie> yes, I was just outside for a min, and it was lovely