| wxl | mhall119: same here :( | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| wxl | mhall119: the thing that's really sad about it is the changes i usually need to make are fairly trivial. not the kind of thing i should have to spend 10 minutes logging in on :/ | 00:04 |
| pleia2 | at least we can still edit it, the help.ubuntu.com/community is entirely locked down to edits until we can figure out some way to handle the spam | 00:10 |
| * pleia2 needs to chase down some loose ends there | 00:10 | |
| wxl | yikes wow i didn't know that | 00:11 |
| wxl | i assume there's an rt ticket? | 00:11 |
| pleia2 | wxl: there was an rt ticket to shut down the spam, which lead to a full lockdown (except admins) | 00:11 |
| pleia2 | IS suggested we create a group of trusted editors, and only they can edit it | 00:11 |
| pleia2 | but the idea of maintaining such a list makes my stomach ache, and I don't yet know what else they can offer us | 00:12 |
| pleia2 | (plus such a list defeats half the point of a wiki) | 00:12 |
| wxl | pleia2: i guess i've never had an edit at it. what wiki software did it use? | 00:19 |
| pleia2 | wxl: same as wiki.ubuntu.com, moinmoin | 00:20 |
| wxl | pleia2: then how the heck did it have a problem with spam and the wiki doesn't? | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | wxl: if you look at 2016-01-06 under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges?max_days=14 the wiki.ubuntu.com one DID get a little bit of an attack, but it's nothing like the thousands of pages created on the help wiki over the holidays | 00:22 |
| pleia2 | as far as I can tell with the help wiki, wrong place, wrong time? :) | 00:22 |
| pleia2 | this is all a recent development | 00:22 |
| wxl | madness. | 00:23 |
| wxl | did the spam involve registering a lp account, too???? | 00:23 |
| pleia2 | the worst part is that actual people have trouble logging in, but not bots ;) | 00:23 |
| pleia2 | yep | 00:23 |
| wxl | ridiculous amount of work for probably very little return | 00:23 |
| wxl | we should require 2fa by default on sso logins | 00:24 |
| pleia2 | probably assumed it wasn't being watched | 00:24 |
| wxl | i've been using 2fa for quite a while and been pleased | 00:24 |
| pleia2 | other projects beyond ubuntu use the SSO, since it used to be *launchpad* SSO, not ubuntu-branded and some projects unrelated to ubuntu hosted stuff there (perhaps most notably, openstack) | 00:25 |
| pleia2 | so requiring 2fa doesn't just impact us | 00:25 |
| wxl | hm | 00:26 |
| wxl | well maybe we could require 2fa set-up for all users, make it a requirement to complete authentication on the wiki, and leave it as a user-selectable option for other sites | 00:27 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I'll have to collect these ideas somewhere so I can have a fruitful discussion with IS | 00:29 |
| wxl | well you can always put it in the ticket | 00:30 |
| pleia2 | yeah, could do | 00:30 |
| wxl | but if canonical hosting for our loco is any judge, most things on rt get kind of ignored XD | 00:30 |
| wxl | probably better to approach the right person or persons if you know where to find them | 00:30 |
| pleia2 | I usually submit the ticket and follow up in channel, but lately all my requests have been going through quickly | 00:30 |
| pleia2 | no need for follow up! | 00:31 |
| wxl | wow i wish that would happen for me | 00:31 |
| wxl | we've been waiting for the aforementioned hosting for almost a year | 00:31 |
| pleia2 | this is obviously a more complicated situation though, so it probably gets pushed to the "this is hard, do later" pile | 00:31 |
| wxl | and honestly i don't think our request is very hard | 00:31 |
| pleia2 | yikes, the ticket is still active? | 00:31 |
| wxl | though i guess it does require a wordpress install (read: security hole) | 00:31 |
| wxl | yep | 00:31 |
| wxl | let me dig it up | 00:31 |
| pleia2 | that sounds like an oversight | 00:31 |
| wxl | i've talked to people about it before including IS folks | 00:32 |
| pleia2 | crazy :( | 00:32 |
| wxl | also before i was on LC, jose was really helpful with trying to push it through | 00:32 |
| pleia2 | xubuntu.org runs on wordpress hosted by canonical, no big deal | 00:32 |
| pleia2 | anyway, I have a meeting to run to | 00:32 |
| pleia2 | have a good evening :) | 00:32 |
| wxl | pleia2: i was talking about wordpress in a way that i think only a sysadmin would understand XD | 00:32 |
| wxl | k bai | 00:32 |
| wxl | USING wordpress is easy | 00:33 |
| wxl | SECURING wordpress is a whoooole different beast | 00:33 |
| wxl | pleia2: should you have some interest in the subject, this is the ticket regarding our loco's hosted site https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=25072 and actually it's been more than a year! that makes our ticket one of the NEWEST ones in the loco queue. oldest was open 8 years ago. so i'll just be patient :O | 00:36 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:33 |
| popey | Morning dholbach :) | 07:36 |
| dholbach | hey popey | 07:36 |
| popey | I am not going to be around for at least the first half of the Q&A this afternoon unfortunately. Need to pick kids up from school today. | 07:37 |
| dholbach | popey: who did last week's? | 07:38 |
| popey | dunno, not me. | 07:38 |
| popey | hence raising it because it's my turn | 07:38 |
| popey | mhall119 did with davidcalle | 07:39 |
| dholbach | ok | 07:39 |
| dholbach | I'll ping Nick and dpm later on | 07:39 |
| popey | kk, off to drop the kids off at school now.. brb | 07:39 |
| dholbach | see you! | 07:40 |
| * popey returns | 08:31 | |
| dholbach | balloons, dpm: it looks like it's us for the Q&A later on | 08:33 |
| dpm | sounds good | 08:34 |
| davidcalle | Morning o/ | 08:45 |
| popey | pip pip | 08:58 |
| dholbach | balloons, davidcalle, dpm, mhall119, popey: we should probably get another biweekly update out by the end of the week | 10:41 |
| dpm | good point | 10:42 |
| jose | dpm: ping | 10:52 |
| dpm | hola jose | 10:59 |
| jose | dpm: todo bien? | 10:59 |
| dpm | todo bien, a punto para ubucon summit? :) | 11:00 |
| jose | yep! queria preguntarte si necesitaban una mano con algo | 11:06 |
| dpm | jose, gracias :) sí, te envío una lista por correo, estaba a punto de crearla | 11:09 |
| jose | genial | 11:09 |
| davidcalle | statusupdate-bot: !update | 11:10 |
| statusupdate-bot | * Fixing stuff | 11:10 |
| statusupdate-bot | * Fixing more stuff | 11:10 |
| statusupdate-bot | * Beer! | 11:10 |
| jose | lol | 11:10 |
| davidcalle | dholbach, dpm: here is our biweekly update ^ :p | 11:11 |
| dholbach | haha | 11:11 |
| dpm | the last one is a wishlist item, isn't it? | 11:11 |
| davidcalle | dpm, nope, there is a dedicated meeting | 11:12 |
| dpm | jose, primer mail enviado :) | 11:32 |
| jose | woot woot | 11:37 |
| nigelb | wait, what. | 11:40 |
| nigelb | popey: that was weird. | 11:40 |
| nigelb | You just approved someone onto the etherpad team and they just deactivated themselves. | 11:40 |
| popey | also, i mistakenly added them to another team and immediately revoked them | 11:40 |
| * nigelb hands popey a jug of warm tea | 11:41 | |
| nigelb | Er, *kettle* | 11:41 |
| nigelb | No wait, it's a pot of tea. | 11:41 |
| popey | yeah, dunno what they're up to | 11:42 |
| dpm | jose, ok, segundo y ultimo mail enviado | 12:03 |
| jose | dpm: respondo ni bien regrese, tengo que correr para algunas cosas | 12:17 |
| dpm | jose, genial, gracias! | 12:18 |
| dholbach | balloons, dpm: so it'll be the 3 of us? | 14:06 |
| dholbach | (for the Q&A?) | 14:06 |
| dpm | dholbach, I'm up for it | 14:06 |
| dholbach | yep, me too :) | 14:06 |
| dpm | cool | 14:06 |
| dpm | dholbach, do you mind starting with the announcements? | 14:07 |
| dholbach | can do | 14:07 |
| dpm | great, thanks | 14:07 |
| balloons | sounds fun! | 14:14 |
| dholbach | balloons: does that mean you're part of it or not? :) | 14:15 |
| dholbach | if yes, I'd include you in the announcement | 14:15 |
| balloons | dholbach, if you'll have me, of course ;-) | 14:15 |
| dholbach | ok cool :) | 14:15 |
| dholbach | ok done | 14:45 |
| dpm | mhall119, call? | 15:32 |
| popey | School run.. biab | 15:43 |
| balloons | we ready dholbach? | 15:51 |
| dholbach | balloons: yep | 15:51 |
| dholbach | balloons: you're just on Freenode it seems | 15:55 |
| balloons | blargh | 15:55 |
| balloons | my bouncer likes to dc without saying | 15:56 |
| dholbach | all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! :-) | 17:02 |
| === JoseeAntonioR is now known as jose | ||
| pleia2 | wxl: btw, I am a sysadmin for my Actual Job, so I do know a fair amount about how to secure websites, and I wasn't speaking just as a user of wordpress ;) | 23:13 |
| wxl | pleia2: i know. that's why i said that XD | 23:13 |
| pleia2 | wxl: in xubuntu we have to get all our plugin and theme patches cleared by IS when we submit them, but the turnaround is pretty quick these days | 23:13 |
| pleia2 | so they do spend time in security review, but not long for us | 23:13 |
| wxl | well that's good | 23:13 |
| * pleia2 nods | 23:14 | |
| pleia2 | as to the queue for loco teams, I don't know what's up with that, and probably something the LC should look into | 23:14 |
| pleia2 | if Canonical can't reasonably serve LoCos in *less than a year* then it's probably worth cutting the cord and admitting it's not something they realistically offer | 23:14 |
| pleia2 | that at least would reduce the expectation, and give them leave to find alternate hosting | 23:15 |
| wxl | true true | 23:16 |
| wxl | so who should we approach about that? | 23:16 |
| pleia2 | someone on the community team here | 23:16 |
| knome | what are we talking about? | 23:16 |
| pleia2 | knome: web hosting for locos, wxl submitted a ticket for a wordpress blog a year ago, still not done | 23:16 |
| knome | right | 23:16 |
| pleia2 | knome: and it's apparently the youngest in the loco queue | 23:16 |
| pleia2 | so /o\ | 23:16 |
| wxl | pleia2: and mine is one of the newest in the IS loco queue | 23:16 |
| wxl | yeah | 23:17 |
| wxl | that | 23:17 |
| knome | mhm | 23:17 |
| wxl | knome: so someone on the council shoudl talk to canonical and see if it's reasonable to still say we CAN handle supporting the locos | 23:17 |
| wxl | at least in terms of IS | 23:17 |
| knome | i don't know if it could help, but i have recently pushed this community theme to github: https://github.com/knomepasi/ubuntu-community-wordpress-theme | 23:17 |
| knome | so maybe they would have easier time with the requests if people just used a few centralized themes and didn't ask this and that | 23:18 |
| wxl | well that's certainly a problem | 23:18 |
| pleia2 | the california loco (private hosting) uses some version of the unified theme | 23:18 |
| knome | unified theme? | 23:18 |
| pleia2 | from like 100 years ago | 23:18 |
| knome | this is from like this year :) | 23:18 |
| pleia2 | there was some community theme | 23:18 |
| knome | yeah, old as mammoths | 23:18 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 23:19 |
| knome | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/knomepasi/ubuntu-community-wordpress-theme/master/screenshot.png | 23:19 |
| wxl | well i'll try to remember to send out an email to the cc and we'll go from there | 23:19 |
| pleia2 | but our site is essentially a splash page, so even wordpress is overkill ;) | 23:19 |
| pleia2 | "we'll install wordpress and add stuff to it later" | 23:19 |
| pleia2 | mhmm | 23:19 |
| knome | actually, i am on this channel because i've been meaning to ask about people testing that new theme | 23:19 |
| knome | so wxl, if you haven't decided on a theme and want to give that a run... | 23:20 |
| pleia2 | knome: maybe an email to the mailing list too? | 23:20 |
| knome | pleia2, on the todo | 23:20 |
| pleia2 | cool | 23:20 |
| knome | with this theme, you can even change the logo from the wp admin, so no need for anybody to ask for another theme upload separately | 23:21 |
| wxl | knome: i'd email the loco-contacts list, too | 23:21 |
| knome | wxl, once we have ironed out the biggest bumps, yeah | 23:21 |
| knome | what i'd like to know now if there is something that is obviously wrong so i can fix it before people have been spreading the non-production-ready theme all over the internet | 23:23 |
| knome | at which point it is almost as useful as the age-old community theme | 23:23 |
| knome | i also wouldn't mind if this theme inspired others to contribute to it | 23:24 |
| knome | it's also on my todo to talk with balloons to probably get the google code-in participants try this theme out as well | 23:26 |
| knome | and since you can change colors and stuff from the admin too, it might be a good fit for both ubuntu gnome and ubuntu studio who are seeking for a new wordpress theme | 23:26 |
| knome | wxl, so instead of asking me to email everybody, would you like to take some time yourself to see if the theme works for you? | 23:28 |
| wxl | knome: well, once my ticket gets taken care of, perhaps in a few years, sure. | 23:28 |
| knome | LE sigh | 23:28 |
| knome | i'll ask somebody else then. | 23:29 |
| knome | thanks for the support! | 23:29 |
| pleia2 | wxl is a busy person ;) | 23:29 |
| knome | an i'm not? | 23:29 |
| wxl | it's not that i'm busy | 23:29 |
| pleia2 | not everyone can help | 23:29 |
| wxl | i just have nothing to test it on | 23:29 |
| knome | fortunately, i'm not the one who needs the wordpress theme | 23:29 |
| wxl | ok here's how we'll do it | 23:30 |
| wxl | you fly to canonical | 23:30 |
| wxl | rough up the head of IS a bit | 23:30 |
| wxl | then my ticket gets approved | 23:30 |
| wxl | then i try your theme | 23:30 |
| wxl | easy! | 23:30 |
| pleia2 | wxl: if you want to test it, you could just use virtualbox or something | 23:30 |
| wxl | yeah i guess i could | 23:30 |
| wxl | but ANYONE can do that :) | 23:31 |
| knome | well, if you had read what i said, you'd know i wanted to fix things before it's uploaded on the IS servers so i didn't need to request for updates | 23:31 |
| pleia2 | yes, but so far no one is helping knome test it | 23:31 |
| pleia2 | so he needs folks to test in non-production environments | 23:31 |
| knome | it's fine, i'll ask somebody else | 23:31 |
| pleia2 | preferably *not* on the internet, so in VMs | 23:31 |
| knome | i am running it in a staging server on the internet as well | 23:31 |
| wxl | i could probably juju my way to a wordpress theme huh? :) | 23:32 |
| knome | i think you are overthinking it | 23:32 |
| knome | just set up wordpress anywhere with a web server and push the theme there | 23:32 |
| knome | you can probably juju the web server, but not the theme really | 23:32 |
| knome | but it's in git, so you only need to git pull | 23:33 |
| wxl | so i'll let you know when i get a vm set up | 23:33 |
| knome | sure, thanks | 23:33 |
| wxl | admittedly this in between work but | 23:34 |
| knome | there's no rush | 23:35 |
| knome | you don't need to do it today | 23:35 |
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