[00:12] <craysiii> is there a way to update something installed with umake ?
[06:33]  * mgedmin wants to set up a chroot to test his pygtk software on stock ubuntu 15.10 without the staging ppa
[06:45] <mgedmin> oh my this is complicated
[07:24] <mgedmin> success, I think?
[07:24] <darkxst> mgedmin, you could probably use sbuild-launchpad-chroot for that
[07:25] <darkxst> (its normally used for builders, but you can install whatever in them)
[07:25] <mgedmin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild is good
[07:26] <darkxst> really?
[07:26] <darkxst> sbuild-launchpad-chroot create -n wily-chroot -s wily -a amd64
[07:26] <mgedmin> compared to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/BuildEnvironment or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[07:27] <darkxst> then: schroot -c source:wily-chroot
[07:28] <darkxst> and install whatever you need
[07:28] <mgedmin> but if I do that, I won't have a pristine chroot any more, AFAIU
[07:28] <darkxst> then schroot -c wily-chroot
[07:28] <mgedmin> otoh it takes 4 minutes to create one, why am I worrying?
[07:29]  * mgedmin reads about sbuild-launchpad-chroot
[07:29] <darkxst> all changes get dropped when you exit in the later case
[07:32] <mgedmin> sbuild is better than pbuilder because it's faster, right?
[07:33] <darkxst> yes atleast with tmpfs and eatmydata
[07:34] <darkxst> and apt-cacher-ng, its a bit harder to define a mirror with sbuild
[07:37] <mgedmin> thanks!
[10:18] <Linnak> Hi, I'd like to install ubuntu on my girlfriend laptop. She wants Gnome shell. I want LTS because I don't want to bother for at least a year. How can I install a newer version of gnome shell on this?
[10:21] <mgedmin> you don't
[10:21] <mgedmin> if you want LTS, you get ancient software :(
[10:22] <Linnak> What a shame
[10:22] <mgedmin> the next LTS is coming out in 4 months
[10:22] <Linnak> Then I go with Debian SID
[10:22] <mgedmin> that's a surprising choice for someone who wants stability
[10:22] <mgedmin> and long-term support
[10:23] <Linnak> Better than 15.10
[10:23] <mgedmin> well, you know your use-case best
[10:23] <Linnak> '5.10 isn't stable and has no long time support, has it?
[10:24] <mgedmin> 15.10 is stable and gets 9 months of support (~7 of which remain)
[13:05] <LinDol> hi all
[13:05] <LinDol> long time no see :)
[20:11] <craysiii> i can't wait for 16.04
[20:12] <craysiii> how fast does ubuntu gnome get released after the official ubuntu?
[20:44] <x-Na> Same day?
[21:49] <darkxst> craysiii, we follow the same official schedule
[21:50] <darkxst> all of the official flavour images get published at the exact same moment as ubuntu
[21:51] <craysiii> awesome