[01:43]  * diddledan bounces
[01:44]  * zmoylan-pi listens to podcasts
[01:48] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wkm80hiea11nwyw/Upload%20Studio.mp4?dl=0
[01:48] <daftykins> i just skipped a big boss in Halo 5 by jumping right by o0
[08:05] <knightwise> morning everyone
[08:06] <daftykins> gm o/
[08:08]  * zmoylan-pi looks out internet window and calls the day a loss... http://www.earthcam.com/world/ireland/dublin/?cam=templebar
[08:10] <daftykins> they've still got their decorations up!
[08:10] <zmoylan-pi> yeah. a bit sad that
[08:11] <knightwise> pulled down the very last of ours last night.
[08:14] <Myrtti> I've been feeling a bit poorly so ours are still up.
[08:15] <zmoylan-pi> well if a pub in ireland can leave them up this late... :-)
[08:18]  * zmoylan-pi goes to seek life giving porridge...
[08:18] <daftykins> http://www.nest.gg/webcams/webcam.html
[08:19] <daftykins> yay lots of blown over cameras at funny angles :)
[08:21] <SuperMatt> happy "try not to get ill" day
[08:21] <zmoylan-pi> they're art installations :-P
[08:22] <knightwise> man .. these are one of the most depressing webcams ... ever
[08:24] <daftykins> knightwise: which?
[08:29] <knightwise> pretty much all of them ?
[08:29] <knightwise> or is that just ireland in winter ,
[08:30] <daftykins> if you mean my link that's right now on a very storm swept Guernsey
[08:31] <zmoylan-pi> here's a calm dun laoire harbour... http://dlharbour.ie/weather/
[09:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:06] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[09:18] <MooDoo> howdy knightwise how are you?
[09:20] <daftykins> o/
[09:20] <knightwise> doing ok MooDoo . another semi boring day at the client :)
[09:21] <MooDoo> booooo
[09:21]  * daftykins debates trading days
[09:21] <zmoylan-pi> better than an exciting day with servers exploding like a star trek bridge set :-)
[09:22] <daftykins> oof that sausage roll and chocolate torsade from Pasty Presto just formed a great weight :>
[09:22]  * MooDoo wants to go home and sleep
[09:22] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: funny you say that! i need to pop somewhere and find out why one hasn't come back after a power cut
[09:23] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: THAT I would love to see some day
[09:23] <knightwise> hmm.. gotta look into finding some custom firmware for my ebook reader tonight.
[09:23] <daftykins> o0
[09:23] <zmoylan-pi> i did have one pc explode while my head was beside it as i turned it on...
[09:23] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: whowh :)
[09:24] <daftykins> how long did it take the ringing in the ears to subside?
[09:24] <zmoylan-pi> luckily i hang around cats so by the time it exploded i was under the table huddled for safety
[09:25] <zmoylan-pi> about 2-3 minutes of ringing ears and flash distorted vision
[09:25] <daftykins> cor!
[09:26] <zmoylan-pi> then i could hear all the burglar alarms and see all the buildings on industrial estate without power
[09:26] <daftykins> interesting superpower ;)
[09:27] <zmoylan-pi> building was surrounded on 2 sides by big office blocks all lights out
[09:30] <zmoylan-pi> one of them was ms so it wasn't all bad :-P
[09:37] <daftykins> there's something that makes me laugh about the #ubuntu guy who got some malware up on google chrome, which made popups appear saying he needed to contact 'Windows support'
[09:45] <MooDoo> lol
[09:58] <knightwise> Playing with RTV, great command line client :)
[09:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Poetry At Work Day! 😃
[10:00] <zmoylan-pi> roses are red... violets are blue... keep this up... and we'll kidnap your gnu...
[10:02] <JamesTait> 🙌  Very good, zmoylan-pi!
[10:02] <JamesTait> Today is Tuesday, It's Poetry At Work Day, This makes me happy.
[10:03]  * zmoylan-pi looks up recipes for gnu...
[10:06] <knightwise> "For My love is true", the Stapler denotes .. his undying love for the post it notes ...
[10:06] <knightwise> #workpoetry
[10:08]  * zmoylan-pi gets my copy of vogon poetry out of the locked box...
[10:08] <ujjain> what does * * * every line during a traceroute mean? firewall is fine, but all network traffic is timing out between 2 locations
[10:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:10] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: don"t you dare !
[10:10] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[10:10] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[10:12] <JamesTait> ujjain, * * * means you got no ICMP reply from the node.
[12:33] <foobarry> !ping
[12:36] <MooDoo> no one here but us chickens!
[12:49] <knightwise> pang
[12:52] <diddledan> !ding
[13:01] <bigcalm> !sing
[13:01] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:03] <diddledan> ding dong the b*t*h is dead
[13:04] <foobarry> mmmm jelly snakes
[13:15] <RMJ> afternoon all, was wondering if anyone has a few minutes to advise on ubuntu compatability with UK-available laptops? Having a nightmare with one I bought last year and really don't want to repeat the same issues with a new one
[13:15] <Myrtti> what kind of laptop are you looking for, and what did you get last year?
[13:16] <RMJ> Thanks Myrtti - I bought a Lenovo Yoga last year (intel pentium bay trail) and it's been truly awful with linux, i'm looking for something small and cheap, even something like a chrombook/cloudbook sort of thing. Since 15.10 seems to be showing  a lot of problems with bay trail processors though and almost every small cheap notebook seems to have o
[13:16] <RMJ> ne
[13:16] <Myrtti> so what's your budget?
[13:17] <Myrtti> both "hopeful" and "not past this number" estimates are helpful
[13:17] <RMJ> cheap as possible, less than £300, only looking for a <13in screen
[13:17] <Myrtti> right
[13:20] <Myrtti> I personally don't look for laptops under 850, so I've no idea. Chromebooks were at one point possible to upgrade into using real Linux, but I haven't looked at that side since I got my 2014 Dell XPS13
[13:21] <foobarry> do you still have the yoga?
[13:21] <RMJ> or am I asking the impossible here? I figured a chromebook should have excellent linux compatibility, obviously, but since 15.1 this bay trail bug worries me
[13:21] <foobarry> any links to more info about the bay trail bug?
[13:21] <RMJ> yeah still got it, but its not booting atm - boots fsck then hangs
[13:23] <RMJ> there's a few on askubuntu where people with similar processors seem to be having the same problem - usually with acers, Im guessing its a bay trail thing but not 100% sure. The system randomly (no matter what applications are open) freezes completely - no mouse/keyboard response, can only be hard reset by holding power key. Sometimes happens after
[13:23] <RMJ>  10 minutes, sometimes works fine for hour. Doesn't write anything to the syslog.
[13:24] <foobarry> sometimes this is an ACPI thing
[13:24] <foobarry> kernel options required at boot
[13:24] <foobarry> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HP_Chromebook_14
[13:24] <foobarry> might be of interest
[13:25] <RMJ> could be, had a catalogue of ACPI issues with it - one fix I've tried has been changing the grub settings but it developed another problem before I had chance to test it thoroughly (there's no way I can find to trigger the bug so just have to see if it happens)
[13:25] <foobarry> RMJ, any BIOS updates?
[13:26] <RMJ> not sure actually, probably worth checking that out if the thing ever boots
[13:27] <RMJ> not the only issues i've had with it though - appalling wifi, no bluetooth, touchscreen works sporadically (not a huge loss)
[13:27] <RMJ> touchpad issues etc etc etc
[13:30] <RMJ> not ubuntu's fault, just v. frustrating
[13:32] <RMJ> http://askubuntu.com/questions/690416/ubuntu-15-10-freeze-on-acer-e11-bay-trail-cpu
[13:33] <foobarry> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109051
[13:34] <foobarry> some info on there
[13:34] <RMJ> excellent, the fix will work if it ever boots then :)
[13:34] <foobarry> your mileage may vary
[13:34] <foobarry> the comments are variable
[13:35] <RMJ> at the moment it freezes on boot with an fsck readout so we will never know :P
[13:41] <RMJ> thanks all for input
[13:42] <foobarry> you can edit grub options :D
[13:44] <RMJ> found a bios update (had to do it through windows though)
[13:46] <RMJ> foobarry - added the line to grub config last night and it seemed to work (we will see). The not booting is a separate issue, no idea why its broken now
[13:46] <foobarry> if you can upload a pic of the screen, it may enlighten a little
[13:47] <foobarry> getting your laptop fixed is better than buying a new one :D
[13:47] <RMJ> black screen reading "fsck from util-linux 2.26.2 /dev/sda9: clean....." then a load of numbers for files and blocks
[13:49] <RMJ> after the ubuntu loading/splash screen, then nothing, it just hangs on the fsck screen
[13:52] <foobarry> using RAID?
[13:52] <RMJ> no
[13:53] <foobarry> try booting an older kernel from grub?
[13:53] <RMJ> tried that, didn't make a difference
[13:54] <foobarry> nvidia card?
[13:54] <RMJ> think its intel onboard
[13:54] <foobarry> worth checking the settings in bios
[13:55] <RMJ> tried to change display manager from lightdm to gdm, which is why i restarted, but can't imagine it making it do this
[13:55] <foobarry> ctrl-C do anything?
[13:55] <foobarry> or boot single mode
[13:55] <RMJ> no, and doesn't seem to cancel the filesystem check either (maybe the window to press it in is really small?)
[13:56] <RMJ> single mode?
[13:56] <foobarry> add the word single to the end of the grub options
[13:56] <foobarry> http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub
[14:01] <RMJ> one sec need to work out how to edit grub config
[14:01] <RMJ> in recovery mode
[14:04] <RMJ> k done
[14:04] <foobarry> you get a prompt?
[14:05] <foobarry> maybe try fsck of your disk or revert some changes you recently made
[14:05] <RMJ> doesn't seem to be doing anything, just a purpleish screen
[14:06] <RMJ> trying again, might have made a mistake
[14:06] <RMJ> yeah got a prompt
[14:07] <RMJ> emergency mode, sounds exciting
[14:13] <RMJ> some progress anyway. thanks foobarry
[14:16] <foobarry> no prob
[14:16] <RMJ> ooh it just booted to a tty
[14:17] <RMJ> having done a umount then fsck with 1 fix
[14:22] <RMJ> ah so i can load a tty from the fsck but it won't load lightdm
[14:26] <RMJ> sod it. reinstall.
[15:20] <foobarry> anyone used mosh?
[15:20] <foobarry> http://mosh.mit.edu
[15:29] <Azelphur> foobarry: I have
[15:30] <Myrtti> I tried, found it confusing and frustrating, and stopped
[15:30] <foobarry> oh
[15:31] <Azelphur> didn't really confuse me, worked well with my android phone
[15:31] <Azelphur> Mixed reviews, I guess :)
[15:31] <Myrtti> oh bother, just remembered I need to cook
[15:31] <Myrtti> was ready for a nap
[15:31] <Myrtti> boo
[15:31] <foobarry> user is requesting i install it
[15:32] <Azelphur> foobarry: I would, it's entirely optional and can't really do any harm to you
[15:32] <foobarry> i need to open some ports
[15:35] <foobarry> the security scares me a bit
[15:35] <foobarry> changing IP addresses
[15:35] <foobarry> roaming users
[17:55] <Azelphur> Bought a DisplayPort to HDMI cable, pavucontrol doesn't show any audio device. Any ideas?
[17:56] <daftykins> ugh such adapting can be wonky even on Windows :P
[17:56] <Azelphur> computer only has displayport
[17:57] <Azelphur> (and VGA)
[17:57] <daftykins> laptop or something? so miniDP?
[17:57] <Azelphur> it's a Dell PowerEdge
[17:57] <Azelphur> (home server type thing)
[17:57] <daftykins> any links / model ?
[17:57] <daftykins> back shortly
[17:58] <Azelphur> PowerEdge T20
[18:10] <daftykins> Azelphur: any sign of your adapter being a 19 pin one?
[18:10] <Azelphur> daftykins, I should take it out and send you a photo?
[18:10] <daftykins> nah i won't have a clue visually, just what the packaging might infer
[18:11] <Azelphur> don't have the packaging sadly
[18:11] <daftykins> any text on the cable sheathing?
[18:15] <Azelphur> daftykins, just says "High speed cable"
[18:15] <daftykins> is it a xeon in that thing?
[18:15] <Azelphur> yes
[18:15] <daftykins> can you share a "grep -i model /proc/cpuinfo" ? just one line though naturally :>
[18:16] <Azelphur> model name	: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1225 v3 @ 3.20GHz
[18:16] <daftykins> hmm not quite the same model but - https://communities.intel.com/thread/48407?start=0&tstart=0
[18:16] <daftykins> "Engineering has said they will not be developing drivers to make this work."
[18:17] <daftykins> i'm sure that's Windows talk, but still pretty damning
[18:18] <popey> Azelphur, "pactl list" - what does that show (pastebin?)
[18:19] <Azelphur> popey, http://paste.ubuntu.com/14479595/
[18:19] <popey> ta
[18:19] <popey> no hdmi, chances are the sound isn't wired up to the displayport?
[18:19] <Azelphur> popey, wired up?
[18:19] <daftykins> or it's not getting told the device at the other end is capable
[18:19] <popey> internally
[18:20] <Azelphur> oh, ie a motherboard issue
[18:20] <popey> nah, it would show up whether plugged in or not
[18:20] <Azelphur> could be
[18:20] <popey> e.g. my laptop shows up two of them, because it's in a docking station, one port on laptop, one port on docking station
[18:20] <popey> despite only one being connected to a display
[18:21] <Azelphur> kinda a letdown
[18:21] <daftykins> actually, maybe it wouldn't hurt to check if all 19 pins are there on the HDMI end
[18:21] <daftykins> probably unlikely it isn't though!
[18:21] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14479609/
[18:21] <popey> thats my laptop
[18:21] <daftykins> Azelphur: how'd you obtain such a niche type of device o0
[18:22] <popey> Notice the alsa.mixer.name "Intel CougarPoint HDMI"
[18:23] <popey> Azelphur, do you have a fairly standard kernel? So it would detect all the right devices?
[18:24] <daftykins> http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8801-ts140-audio-issues/#entry94967
[18:24] <popey> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[18:24] <popey> do you have a similar type of thing in lspci
[18:24] <popey> (e.g. in my pactl output there's the device.vendor.id and device.product.id which match the output in lspci -n)
[18:25] <popey> i.e. do you have any audio controllers in lspci
[18:26] <Azelphur> popey, yea it's a standard 15.10 kernel
[18:27] <Azelphur> daftykins, looks like me
[18:32] <popey> So yes, not wired up internally.
[18:32] <popey> Not surprising on that class of device.
[18:32] <Azelphur> yea indeed, not surprising
[18:32] <Azelphur> shame but not the end of the world
[18:35] <popey> can always stick a usb sound card in if you need to
[18:36] <Azelphur> well it has 3.5mm out
[18:37] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/kwmobile-adapter-converter-stereo-conection/dp/B013V21KNO
[18:38] <popey> get a thing like that, which lets you inject audio into the hdmi signal
[18:38] <popey> At least I think that's what it does :D
[18:40] <Azelphur> popey, nice gadget
[18:50] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/12/microsofts_get_windows_10_nagware_is_showing_signs_of_sentience/
[18:54] <diddledan> daftykins: lol
[18:54] <diddledan> yey for green goo
[18:54] <diddledan> oh, it's grey?
[18:55] <diddledan> that's less fun
[18:55] <daftykins> the truth is out there, find out on the 24th when Mulder and Scully return :O
[18:55] <diddledan> \o/
[18:55]  * diddledan hums the theme
[18:55] <daftykins> or maybe 25th timezones considered
[18:55] <daftykins> aww it's totally more of a whistle ;)
[18:56] <diddledan> my windows preview status seems to be broken :-(
[18:56] <daftykins> i wiped mine to play with Hyper-V a while ago
[18:57] <diddledan> I got hyper-v in the same system 'cos it's a pro version
[18:58] <diddledan> windows update reports "Your preview build settings need attention. Go to Advanced options to fix this issue."
[18:58] <daftykins> i needed to test a proper dedi-host setup
[18:59] <daftykins> with SCVMM and all that mess :)
[18:59] <diddledan> doing so seems to do nothing, tell me to reboot and then it's back in the same state again after the restart
[18:59] <diddledan> oh yeah, that thing
[18:59] <daftykins> maybe nuke your %windir%\SoftwareDistribution\ ? :>
[18:59] <diddledan> is that safe?
[19:00] <daftykins> of course, 'tis the WU woes standard procedure
[19:00] <daftykins> stop the WU service first though
[19:01] <diddledan> WU otherwise works fine tho
[19:01] <daftykins> ah well
[19:02] <diddledan> seems it's a common problem: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install/your-security-settings-need-attention-to-get/9b3f4512-9177-48dc-921b-a70da1b04193?auth=1
[19:09] <diddledan> ok, I think that might have fixed it - turn-off insider completely, then do the registry tweek from that link, and finally enable insider again and reboob
[19:09] <diddledan> nope, that didn't work
[19:11] <diddledan> oh, maybe it did
[19:12] <diddledan> it's fixed now after running their "fix me" a second time - so the steps above, then when it moans after the reboob do their automatic fix and then follow the prompt to reboob again and THEN it's fixed...maybe
[19:13] <diddledan> and now it's offering me a pukka insider build for install \o/
[19:13] <diddledan> 11082