[05:18] <Kilos> morning superfly inetpro and others
[05:30] <superfly> Morning Kilos 
[06:09] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:31] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy 
[06:57] <magespawn> good morning
[07:02] <Kilos> power gone
[07:02] <Kilos> wbb
[07:11] <Kilos> it came again back
[07:12] <zipper> Kilos: Are there regular power outages there?
[07:12] <Kilos> yeah zipper , but not so bad last few months
[07:12] <zipper> Man SA isn't what I thought it was. Zuma really screwing you guys it seems. :( Africa not rising.
[07:13] <Kilos> power peeps are catching up with their maintenance schedule
[07:13] <zipper> Kilos: I thought you exported power and had nuclear plants (which I'm against).
[07:13] <zipper> Kilos: Oh I see
[07:13] <zipper> Nothing to do with the government.
[07:13] <Kilos> yes we have one nuke station which has been going for many years trouble free
[07:14] <Kilos> its all the coal stations that were left unmaintained and nothing done on planned new stations for many years that dropped us into shortage mode
[07:15] <Kilos> a well maintained nuclear station is safe
[07:16] <Kilos> Maaz when was koeberg power station built
[07:16] <Maaz> Kilos: Not a clue, sorry
[07:16] <Kilos> ai!
[07:16] <Kilos> Maaz google when was koeberg power station built
[07:16] <Maaz> Kilos: "Koeberg Nuclear Power Station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koeberg_Nuclear_Power_Station :: "Koeberg Power Station - Eskom" http://www.eskom.co.za/Whatweredoing/ElectricityGeneration/KoebergNuclearPowerStation/Pages/Koeberg_Power_Station.aspx :: "The Koeberg Experience - Eskom"
[07:16] <Maaz> http://www.eskom.co.za/Whatweredoing/ElectricityGeneration/KoebergNuclearPowerStation/TheKoebergExperience/Pages/The_Koeberg_Experie…
[08:01] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[08:01] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[08:17] <mazal> Mornings
[08:22] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[08:42] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:42] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[08:43] <inetpro> oh and hi oomKilos 
[08:43] <inetpro> Kilos: we had 44mm last night
[08:43] <Kilos> 24mm inetpro 
[08:43] <Kilos> you win again
[08:44] <inetpro> eh magespawn, did you have rain as well?
[08:44] <Kilos> sounded wonderful on the roof at 1 am though
[08:44] <inetpro> I see people talking about rain in the Freestate as well... very happy if that is the case
[08:44] <Kilos> lots of thunder as well
[08:45] <Kilos> im sorry for farmers this year
[08:46] <Kilos> not many will make ends meet
[08:46] <inetpro> a very, very tough time for farmers indeed... at least many of them
[08:46] <Kilos> now govt wants a say in farmers dams water as well
[08:46] <Kilos> say it must be shared
[08:47] <Kilos> sigh
[08:48] <inetpro> I noticed that in the news as well, sending a very wrong message loaded with petty politics 
[08:50] <inetpro> even if it was well intentioned to address very real challenges
[08:50] <Kilos> ys
[08:51] <Kilos> farers built their own dams to water crops and stock and carry them through dry years
[08:51] <Kilos> if thats taken away goodbye farmer
[08:53] <inetpro> when I heard that last night the idiom that came to my mind was, 'To kill the Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs'
[08:53] <Kilos> yip
[10:11] <inetpro> wb thatgraemeguy
[10:13] <thatgraemeguy> oh, i left
[10:13] <thatgraemeguy> thanks i guess :D
[11:01] <magespawn> inetpro: we have had a little here, about 70mm in the one storm, a little more since then, but it has not made any difference yet 
[11:03] <magespawn> Kilos as i understand it the government already has a say in what you do with water, via one of the acts
[11:03] <magespawn> you have to get permits for borholes, dams, or diverting of water etc.
[11:07] <magespawn> Kilos i am going to be trying Peppermint 6, a little later on
[11:18] <Kilos> yes inetpro you are right
[11:19] <Kilos> but theyve said nothing so far about this borehole
[11:19] <Kilos> let us know what its like resource wise
[11:19] <Kilos> sorry that was for magespawn 
[11:19] <Kilos> unhappy head today
[13:56] <magespawn> cool will do Kilos
[13:56] <magespawn> chat later all, home ime
[13:56] <magespawn> time
[13:56] <magespawn> exit
[15:22] <Kilos> boom boom
[15:24] <gremble> Listening to you're boom boom beats, Kilos?
[15:24] <Kilos> haha
[15:24] <gremble> I started up my server, but I didn't realise that it sounds like a jet engine
[15:25] <Kilos> it can boom boom all day and night as long as water falls as well
[15:25] <Kilos> the drive?
[15:27] <gremble> The fans
[15:27] <gremble> Hey smile 
[15:27] <Kilos> hi smile
[15:28] <smile> hi :p
[15:28] <smile> hi :D
[15:28] <smile> how are you both doing :D
[15:28] <gremble> I am well thanks and yourself?
[15:28] <Kilos> as we choose and you?
[15:29] <gremble> How do you choose?
[15:29] <smile> I'm good, "learning" for my exams :)
[15:30] <gremble> What are you writing?
[15:30] <Kilos> i choose to do as little as possible
[15:30] <gremble> Haha
[15:30] <gremble> Quite lazy, hey? :P
[15:30] <Kilos> yip
[15:32] <smile> Kilos: but you should earn money! :o
[15:33] <Kilos> easier said than done
[15:33] <smile> I earned ticket complements cheques for a value of €90 :D
[15:33] <smile> all online, Kilos ;)
[15:33] <Kilos> thats all above me
[15:33] <Kilos> im not 17
[15:34] <gremble> How do you earn money online? :o
[15:34] <gremble> besides showing off your naughties
[15:35] <smile> gremble: surveys! :D
[15:35] <gremble> Haha
[15:35] <smile> hundreds of them actually
[15:38] <gremble> Alright, I got debian to boot.
[15:59] <gremble> Alright, the server box is connected to the laptop with an ethernet cable and the laptop is connected to the internet via wifi and a router
[15:59] <gremble> so, how do I make the laptop share a address to the server so that I can connect to the internet with it?
[16:00] <gremble> I've tried link-locak on both IPv4 and 6 and a "Shared to other computers" whatever that may mean
[16:14] <Kilos> i did that shred route and it all worked
[16:14] <Kilos> share
[16:15] <Kilos> somewhere in the server you need to tell it i think
[16:15] <Kilos> dunno how via cli
[16:15] <Kilos> try all those funny commands
[16:16] <Kilos> um
[16:16] <Kilos> route -n
[16:16] <Kilos> and many others but youll need the clever peeps help
[16:16] <Kilos> traceroute
[16:17] <Kilos> and maybe you need to do a domain name server thing in the laptop
[16:17] <Kilos> 8.8.8.8
[16:18] <Kilos> or look for conflict
[16:18] <Kilos> i forget all that
[16:23] <Kilos> gremble can they ping each other
[16:23] <Kilos> you might need to set ip addresses
[16:24] <Kilos> or use the dhcp auto setting
[16:41] <gremble> I don't want the laptop to assign ip adresses, because the router is alread doing that
[16:56] <gremble> Now I need help from some greybeards xD
[17:30] <Kilos> you need to point out who you need to help you or they all just lurk
[17:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:08] <inetpro> good evening
[19:10] <gremble> Hey inetpro 
[19:10] <gremble> Perhaps you could help me. I have a dell poweredge here that I am trying to install debian on
[19:10] <inetpro> eh gremble, ok and?
[19:11] <gremble> I am at the partitioning bit now and somewhat confused. The disk selection is giving me 3 drives, a raid device and two ata drives. 
[19:11] <gremble> This machine only has two drives on it
[19:11] <gremble> the raid device is raid1
[19:11] <gremble> which do I partition?
[19:12] <inetpro> yikes!
[19:12] <gremble> I suspect that the two physical drives are the components of the raid1
[19:13] <inetpro> logically, you would probably want to use the raid partition if all is set up correctly
[19:13] <inetpro> raid 1 = mirroring
[19:13] <gremble> Yes
[19:13] <gremble> that is why I assumed that. I just wanted conformation from someone cleverer than I
[19:13] <gremble> :P
[19:14] <inetpro> obviously you end up losing a drive with this kind of setup
[19:14] <inetpro> cleverer? hmm...
[19:15] <gremble> It is fine for now. I will probably do this a couple of times before the server konks out. I picked it up for R600 to play with
[19:15] <inetpro> you need to do your mathematical risk calculation to determine your options
[19:15] <gremble> Haha
[19:15] <gremble> I did. 
[19:16] <inetpro> cool :-)
[19:16] <gremble> How are you
[19:19] <inetpro> good, good and there?
[19:21] <gremble> If I can get the networking between my laptop and server worked out, absolutely fantastic
[19:22] <inetpro> what is your laptop running on?
[19:22] <gremble> Arch linux
[19:22] <inetpro> and the router is what?
[19:22] <gremble> direct link
[19:22] <gremble> at the moment
[19:22] <inetpro> ADSL?
[19:23] <gremble> Yes. but that is out to the internet. The server is connected to the laptop with an ethernet cable, the laptop is connected to the router with wifi
[19:23] <gremble> ideally I would like the server to be able to connect to the internet through the laptop
[19:23] <gremble> but it is not playing nice
[19:24] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:25] <inetpro> can't you get a small switch?
[19:25] <gremble> Nope. What I have right now is all that I have
[19:25] <inetpro> or can't you connect the server directly with cable to the router?
[19:25] <gremble> In the past I have been able to connect my PC to the internet through my laptop
[19:25] <gremble> No, not at the moment
[19:26] <inetpro> should be relatively easy to do but just want to understand why first
[19:27] <gremble> Becuase moving the server would require massive amounts of effort and I just want to play with it first
[19:27] <gremble> so it is here now. and the router is quite far away
[19:27] <inetpro> normally I would want a server to be connected to the router and then connect clients to the internet via the server 
[19:27] <gremble> I am the only client so it is alright :P
[19:28] <gremble> it will just be serving me
[19:28] <gremble> I want to toy around with virtualisation on a machine that is slightly stronger than my antiquated laptop
[19:28] <superfly> ohi
[19:28] <gremble> hey superfly 
[19:28] <inetpro> sure thing, was just saying, typically you would want a server to run proxy caching etc....
[19:28] <superfly> gremble: docker
[19:29] <superfly> it's almost the same as virt without the overhead and the hardware nonsense
[19:30] <inetpro> ohi superfly
[19:30] <superfly> hi inetpro
[19:30]  * inetpro likes the new stickynotes project
[19:31] <gremble> I just want to play with my toy that I discovered this morning. I will move it tomorrow then :P
[19:47] <superfly> inetpro: I have to rename it :-(
[19:47] <superfly> some guy made a pastebin clone (in php, ugh!) called Sticky Notes
[19:47] <inetpro> oops really, why?
[19:47] <inetpro> ai!
[19:47] <inetpro> just when I started to like the name :-(
[19:48] <superfly> yeah
[19:49] <inetpro> so how do we find a nice new unique name?
[19:52] <gremble> You think up a name and then google it
[19:53] <inetpro> superfly: how about binbucket?
[19:53] <superfly> too close to bitbucket
[19:54] <inetpro> :-)
[19:54] <gremble> flypaper?
[19:54] <gremble> It sticks
[19:54] <gremble> and it has your name in it
[19:54] <inetpro> haha
[19:54] <superfly> hahaha
[19:54] <gremble> And some people think I am just a pretty face...
[19:58] <inetpro> am not sure about the word paper in the name but the slogan would would be nice, "FlyPaper, It Sticks!"
[19:58] <inetpro> s/would//
[20:04] <smile> bye :)
[20:04] <gremble> bye smile
[20:04] <smile> good night all :)
[20:05] <superfly> I'm trying to think of something like Code Bucket or Log Bin or something
[20:16] <MaNI> log drop
[20:17] <gremble> Hhah