[02:31] <tsimonq2> wxl: what is the deal with the lubuntu package set?
[02:35] <wxl> huh, tsimonq2 ?
[02:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: I am curious as to who owns the lubuntu package set...reading some docs and it says that they aren't owned
[02:36] <wxl> i don't know what you're referring to, frankly
[02:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: in the Ubuntu archives there are package sets. Lubuntu has one. Nobody owns it, addording to the docs I am reading.
[02:37] <tsimonq2> *according
[02:37] <wxl> i don't know what to dell you, personally
[02:38] <tsimonq2> wxl: idk, just looking and was wondering
[18:23] <wxl> multiarch is weird, man.
[18:24] <tsimonq2alt> hey guys :D
[18:24] <wxl> hey tsimonq2
[18:24] <tsimonq2alt> I'll be in and out, but here :)
[18:24] <teward> tsimonq2alt: so you pinged me and don't check your messages after the fact
[18:24]  * wxl hopes and prays virtualbox-5.0:amd64 does not die
[18:24] <teward> weird
[18:25] <teward> wxl: that would be a headache if it dies, yes :/
[18:25] <tsimonq2alt> teward: I am using webchat at school and I don't have access to backlog right now...sorry
[18:25] <tsimonq2alt> be back in like ~ 30 minutes for the meeting
[18:25] <tsimonq2alt> o/
[18:25] <wxl> teward: i just went multiarch, so things are a little weird.
[18:26] <teward> wxl: heheh
[18:27] <wxl> redwolf: hey. let's talk about that image. whatcha wanna know?
[18:29] <wxl> ok qemu-kvm:amd64 is installed
[18:29] <wxl> let's see how snappy is behaving
[18:39] <wxl> bummer. my process can't handle kvm extensions
[18:39] <teward> by 'process' you mean VBox?
[18:39] <teward> if so you have to expose extensions to the guest
[18:40] <wxl> sorry i mean my processor
[18:40] <teward> ah
[18:40] <wxl> well, at least there's virtualbox :/
[18:40] <teward> heh
[18:40] <teward> if that fails, VMware PLayer
[18:40] <teward> :P
[18:40] <wxl> confusing thing about multiarch: if you apt-cache policy some package, it wont' give you results for all archs. instead you have to be explicit
[18:41] <teward> this is true
[18:41]  * wxl needs to figure out port redirection on virtualbox, if that's even an option
[18:41] <teward> wxl: aka port forwarding aka nat?
[18:41] <wxl> hm yes i guess so
[18:41] <wxl> aw man i don't want to mess with nat
[18:41]  * wxl whines
[18:42] <teward> virtual network settings of the NAT virtual adapter, set your rules there
[18:42] <teward> VMware I have to do it by hand lol
[18:42] <wxl> oh well at least that's not so bad
[18:42] <teward> wxl: you may have to do an additional iptables NAT ruleset for forwarding from the ccomputer itself to the vNAT
[18:42] <teward> but i usually don't worry about that (I bridged-connection everything xD)
[18:43] <teward> (for those cases)
[18:43] <wxl> oh actually nat is the default oh ho this is easy :)
[18:49] <joern_s> hi all
[18:50] <wxl> hey jörn!
[18:50] <sudodus> Hi jörn and everybody else
[18:52] <wxl> we'll get started in 5 minutes or so
[18:53] <redwolf> 7!!
[18:54] <joern_s> hi wxl sudodus redwolf
[18:54] <joern_s> :D
[18:54] <redwolf> \o/ joern_s
[18:57] <tsimonq2alt> I'm back, has it started yet?
[18:57] <wxl> not yet
[18:57] <wxl> i have one last thing to do and we'll get started
[18:57] <tsimonq2alt> oh ok :)
[18:57] <tsimonq2alt> alright
[18:58] <redwolf> yes, tsimonq2. it's over now. sorry
[18:58] <redwolf> ·_____·
[18:58] <tsimonq2alt> LOL redwolf
[19:01] <wxl> phone now. give me a minute
[19:02] <tsimonq2alt> k :)
[19:03] <tsimonq2alt> I have to meet with my teacher about my passion project quick, so I will be back in ~ 7 minutes
[19:04] <phillw> o/
[19:04] <redwolf> o/ phillw
[19:04] <sudodus> o/ phillw
[19:05] <tsimonq2alt> (have some time before we meet)
[19:05] <tsimonq2alt> o/ phillw
[19:05] <tsimonq2alt> hey sudodus, haven't met you before, what's up?
[19:05] <joern_s> hi phillw
[19:06] <tsimonq2alt> same with joern_s, hey! :)
[19:06] <phillw> greetings joern_s and sudodus :)
[19:06] <sudodus> hey tsimonq2
[19:07] <tsimonq2alt> will gilir be attending?
[19:07] <joern_s> hi tsimonq2alt
[19:07] <wxl> ok i'm here
[19:07] <tsimonq2alt> o/ :)
[19:07] <tsimonq2alt> heyyyyy wxl
[19:07] <wxl> msg'd gilir so we'll see
[19:08] <tsimonq2alt> and now she wants to meet...bbs
[19:08] <sudodus> o/
[19:08] <teward> *lurks because he can*
[19:08] <wxl> #startmeeting Lubuntu Monthly Meeting
[19:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jan 13 19:08:27 2016 UTC.  The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[19:08] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[19:09] <wxl> welcome everyone to our regular monthly meeting
[19:09] <wxl> please remember our meetings are every month on the 2nd wednesday @ 1900 utc, right here
[19:09] <wxl> you can see the agenda here:
[19:09] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda
[19:10] <wxl> so first thing's first
[19:10] <wxl> #topic QA
[19:10] <wxl> we were one of three flavors (along with mate and kylin) to release an alpha 1
[19:10] <wxl> largely, it was successful with no real terrible showstoppers
[19:10] <wxl> and i'm happy to report that we have managed to kill some of the bugs already
[19:11] <wxl> as you can see on the release schedule:
[19:11] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[19:11] <wxl> alpha 2 is january 28
[19:11] <wxl> i.e. before our next meeting
[19:11] <wxl> so if people want to test, plan on getting going on the 26th
[19:12] <wxl> i also have some stuff to report regarding lxqt
[19:12] <wxl> at least as it relates to testing (i'll leave the discussion of development to joern_s later)
[19:12] <wxl> we now have a page for general stuff on lxqt:
[19:12] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt
[19:13] <wxl> instructions are now up on how to install it in a xenial image
[19:13] <wxl> in fact, i took the raspberry pi2 wily image that flexiondotorg created with ubuntu pi flavor maker
[19:13] <wxl> do-release-upgraded it to xenial
[19:13] <wxl> and then installed lxqt
[19:13] <wxl> here's some proof:
[19:13] <wxl> https://twitter.com/wxl/status/686236582005837825
[19:14] <joern_s> very nice!
[19:14] <wxl> we're still at the point where we're doing exploratory testing, but we're filing bugs small and large against both the lubuntu-next project and the associated source package since they're in the repos
[19:15] <wxl> meanwhile, i'm starting to do some work on getting testcases developer for the iso/package trackers with a little bit of help from tsimonq2alt
[19:15] <wxl> if anyone wants in on that whole process, let me know, as there's a bunch of work to do and we could use some help
[19:16] <wxl> i also tried to make it easier for everyone to find the blueprints related to answering the question of which apps we're going to use in lxqt
[19:16] <wxl> but i assigned them to lubuntu-next which is not configured for blueprints so you can't see them :/
[19:16] <wxl> i'm trying to get gilir to help out with that, so will report to the mailing list when they're ready and we can start the discussion in earnest
[19:16] <tsimonq2alt> o/
[19:16] <wxl> tsimonq2alt: question?
[19:17] <tsimonq2alt> nope, just back, sorry for interrupting
[19:17] <wxl> and that's about all i think i have for qa unless there are questions or comments from anyone?
[19:17] <tsimonq2alt> and yes, I am helping a bit with getting the testcases done
[19:18] <tsimonq2alt> just to decentralize the test cases for LXQty
[19:18] <tsimonq2alt> *LXQt
[19:18] <tsimonq2alt> also, when is Alpha 2, wxl?
[19:18] <wxl> tsimonq2alt: i said it above (jan 28)
[19:18] <teward> wxl: stupid question but did they solve the headaches of the tasksel thing on alt?  Not sure if they did for here or if that was an issue, but checking 'cause Server was affected (so potentially alts were too?)
[19:18] <tsimonq2alt> whoops sorry :)
[19:18] <phillw> teward: yes
[19:19] <teward> wonderful, i had that on my list of QA tests but never had time :)
[19:19] <teward> thank you.  *silences for remainder of time*
[19:19] <wxl> np
[19:19] <wxl> ok i'm going to move onto the next topic then
[19:19] <wxl> #topic donation area
[19:19] <wxl> off to you, phillw ?
[19:20] <phillw> Forms received back from Rafael,
[19:20] <phillw> The  French postal system lost Julien's en route to him... replacements have bee obtained and emailed
[19:20] <phillw> The set for wxl were posted via email last friday
[19:20] <wxl> but apparently par avion does not mean very fast XD
[19:21] <phillw> As soon as all forms land safely we can proceed to have the account verified to be opened.
[19:21] <tsimonq2alt> sorry for interjecting, but what is going on with the donations? do we have a paypal button on lubuntu.me or something?
[19:21] <redwolf> that was an experiment, tsimonq2
[19:21] <phillw> wxl: may have made a pit stop at the local armed standoff in your area :)
[19:21] <tsimonq2alt> but my question is, what are we working towards in regards to donations?
[19:21] <wxl> phillw: hahahah XD
[19:22] <redwolf> :|
[19:22] <wxl> tsimonq2alt: being able to have people donate specifically to lubuntu rather than just throwing things in the general community donations pot
[19:22] <phillw> tsimonq2 it is in the rules of the group
[19:22] <tsimonq2alt> wxl: well I have that, but what is going to be *produced*?
[19:23] <wxl> tsimonq2alt: we haven't quite got that nailed down, but the hope is a little button or something on the website
[19:23] <tsimonq2alt> ohh gotcha, thanks
[19:23] <redwolf> tsimonq2, what I tried was using the API of the "PayPal donation button" to enable in lubuntu.me a donation system, just a link to the new account, when it's ready
[19:23]  * tsimonq2alt now remains silent
[19:23] <phillw> tsimonq2 it will be progressed once the account is confirmed as able to be opened. Until that occurs, everything is conjecture. We have the rules written up and agreed upon.
[19:23] <tsimonq2alt> gotcha phillw
[19:24] <wxl> any other questions comments or concerns about the tracker?
[19:24] <phillw> on a personal note ... I'm never, ever, ever going to set up a bank account where the trustees are in 4 different countries!
[19:24] <tsimonq2alt> :D
[19:25] <wxl> indeed, phillw, you need some serious kudos for all the work you did!
[19:25] <tsimonq2alt> ^
[19:25] <wxl> (and continue to do)
[19:25] <joern_s> I second that
[19:25] <tsimonq2alt> so thanks phillw
[19:26] <wxl> and on that note, i think we'll kick it to the next topic
[19:26] <sudodus> I can imagine all the difficulties - thanks Phill :-)
[19:26] <tsimonq2alt> ^
[19:26] <wxl> #topic LXQt
[19:26] <wxl> off to you joern_s :)
[19:26] <joern_s> okay
[19:27] <joern_s> I'm now using LXQt as my day-to-day desktop (but not on L/Ubuntu, I'm using Siduction here)
[19:27] <joern_s> it feels very smooth and doesn't makes me much headaches
[19:28] <tsimonq2alt> o/
[19:28] <joern_s> login is very slow, but this seems to be a problem of KWin or the plasma framework
[19:28] <wxl> oh so you're using kwin eh? depends have certainly decreased. enough to suggest it for lubuntu?
[19:30] <joern_s> well... not sure if a Pentium M or simmilar really can handle it. may depend on the default settings, like compositing
[19:30] <joern_s> that should be evaluated
[19:30] <joern_s> xfwm4 could be an alternative, too
[19:31] <joern_s> a nice fact: it is easier to replace the window manager with LXQt, compared to LXDE
[19:31] <wxl> joern_s: any reason not to just stick with openbox?
[19:31] <wxl> it is? i thought it was fairly easy before (i use awesome mostly)
[19:31] <joern_s> because we don't need to rely on Openbox for keyboard shortcuts
[19:31] <wxl> ahhh
[19:32] <tsimonq2alt> oh really?
[19:32] <tsimonq2alt> no Openbox?
[19:32] <tsimonq2alt> wow
[19:32] <wxl> tsimonq2alt: well, it's worth discussing at least
[19:32] <tsimonq2alt> yeah
[19:32] <wxl> when we're making such dramatic changes, it might be good to explore what the alternatives are
[19:32] <joern_s> there are reasons to stick with OB, sure
[19:32] <wxl> indeed
[19:32] <redwolf> we'd need to change our session settings heavily
[19:32] <tsimonq2alt> and while I am jumping in here, I am currently running LXQt as well
[19:32] <wxl> it's just good to look into
[19:32] <joern_s> it is lightweight, it is rock solid
[19:33] <tsimonq2alt> well a couple of default settings were headache-inducing for me
[19:33] <tsimonq2alt> for example, the taskbar shows windows of other workspaces by default
[19:33] <joern_s> but there are downsides like no window snapping ("Aero snap" for MS Windows users)
[19:34] <tsimonq2alt> and the workspaces menu in the taskbar doesn't rearrange nicely when new workspaces were added, as well as it doesn't show the icon of the open window on the workspace, which as a really killer feature of LxDE
[19:34] <tsimonq2alt> *LXDE
[19:35] <wxl> yeah i don't like the look of the workspaces
[19:35] <tsimonq2alt> agreed, and that is an essential part of my workflow
[19:35] <joern_s> can't say much about that, I don't use workspaces at all
[19:35] <redwolf> it's just a plugin. it might change.
[19:36] <tsimonq2alt> I struggle when I am at school, because Chrome OS doesn't use workspaces
[19:36] <wxl> might be a good thing to make a wishlist bug for and triage it upstream
[19:36] <tsimonq2alt> so I would really like to see improvements with the workspaces in general
[19:36] <tsimonq2alt> yeah prolly wxl
[19:36] <joern_s> +1 wxl
[19:36] <wxl> tsimonq2alt: ^
[19:36] <tsimonq2alt> but at school(where I am) I don't have access to LP
[19:37] <tsimonq2alt> I will do it in a few hours
[19:37] <wxl> sounds good
[19:37] <wxl> i would advise everyone to file bugs for anything they think of
[19:37] <wxl> even feature requests
[19:37] <tsimonq2alt> anyways otherwise LXQt is pretty solid
[19:37] <tsimonq2alt> but it still has a few bugs
[19:37] <wxl> we can triage them as such
[19:37] <tsimonq2alt> like the icon bug
[19:37] <tsimonq2alt> well yeah
[19:37] <redwolf> O.O
[19:37] <tsimonq2alt> +1 wxl
[19:37] <wxl> well i'm thinking that icon bug is not a bug
[19:38] <redwolf> nope. it's not.
[19:38] <tsimonq2alt> well as long as it gets fixed :D
[19:38] <redwolf> it's a package dependency bug
[19:38] <redwolf> that's a priority, as the settings daemon doesn't only set the icon theme. we need that working.
[19:38] <tsimonq2alt> but that's not the current point of this discussion
[19:38] <tsimonq2alt> yeah
[19:39] <wxl> right, yeah, we can discuss that on the bug itself XD
[19:39] <tsimonq2alt> what I meant was fixing my problems XD
[19:39] <tsimonq2alt> yep
[19:39] <redwolf> it's "in progress"
[19:39] <wxl> anything else new to tell, joern_s ?
[19:39] <tsimonq2alt> (offtopic, please, someone fix the topic of the channel and capitalize "new mailing list!") :P
[19:40] <redwolf> :|
[19:40] <joern_s> nothing special if you aren't interested in technical stuff ;-)
[19:40] <redwolf> yes, joern_s, anything else? ;)
[19:40] <phillw> o/
[19:40] <tsimonq2alt> ooh ooh tell us joern_s
[19:40] <wxl> i'd be happy to hear technical stuff
[19:40] <tsimonq2alt> yeah me too
[19:40] <wxl> although redwolf might get scared :)
[19:40] <tsimonq2alt> XD
[19:41] <redwolf> yup, I get scared easily. specially regarding new apps or revamped ones
[19:41] <tsimonq2alt> phillw: Did you want to jump in?
[19:41] <tsimonq2alt> :D
[19:41] <phillw> yeah
[19:41] <joern_s> I'm currently working on a python module to access Appstream (where the new software center will get its data from)
[19:41] <phillw> there's a new pcmanfm due out
[19:41] <wxl> joern_s: so we'
[19:41] <redwolf> yay, thanks, joern_s :)
[19:41] <phillw> and work is being pushed for translations
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[19:41] <wxl> ve decided on a new lsc rather than doing something different? (appgrid?)
[19:41] <tsimonq2alt> hmm?
[19:42] <joern_s> Appgrid could be used for 16.04 - not sure about the decisions. that would be gilir's part
[19:42] <wxl> ok, but you're continuing working on a new lsc at least, joern_s ?
[19:42] <redwolf> joern_s and I had some ideas about replacing LSC and creating something else, but not this century, I'm afraid
[19:42] <joern_s> sure
[19:42] <wxl> well great
[19:43] <wxl> that's exciting to hear
[19:43] <wxl> anything else?
[19:43] <tsimonq2alt> ^
[19:43] <joern_s> redwolf: I'm making some progress on it ;-)
[19:43]  * tsimonq2alt sits silently
[19:43] <redwolf> :) joern_s, the PPA thingy will be really nice
[19:43] <joern_s> +1 !
[19:43] <redwolf> but I'll explain that in other moment
[19:43] <redwolf> for everybody, the idea is making LSC handle everything
[19:44] <redwolf> that's all (updates, upgrades, packages, PPA sources, etc)
[19:44] <wxl> fantastic!
[19:44] <tsimonq2alt> ooh
[19:44] <tsimonq2alt> awesome
[19:44] <joern_s> system tweaks, too - maybe
[19:44] <tsimonq2alt> that would be pretty sweet
[19:44] <tsimonq2alt> so if you can, do that too
[19:44] <redwolf> and making PPAs work like some Android markets. using drag'n'drop maybe
[19:44] <tsimonq2alt> 0_0 yeah!
[19:44] <wxl> ooh
[19:44] <joern_s> then the LSC would be an integral part of the user experience
[19:45] <redwolf> but simply installing packages is a priority LOL
[19:45]  * tsimonq2alt agrees with that whole idea
[19:45] <sudodus> so it would compete with / replace synaptic too?
[19:45] <redwolf> it might sound stupid, but I think it's revolutionary in *buntu Linuxes
[19:45] <joern_s> synaptic is a different story
[19:45] <redwolf> it could totally replace it, for end users, yes
[19:46] <redwolf> people wants a simple tool. and me too
[19:46] <redwolf> but still powerful
[19:46] <redwolf> we'll see in the future
[19:46]  * redwolf shuts up :|
[19:46] <wxl> joern_s: we still going to have an "expert mode?"
[19:47] <joern_s> I'm not sure about that, yet
[19:48] <redwolf> mockup: http://rafaellaguna.net/wp-content/gallery/portfolio/rect4197.png
[19:48] <wxl> i like the idea but i think we should re-brand it
[19:48] <wxl> make it like "lubuntu-approved" or something :)
[19:48] <tsimonq2alt> redwolf: that looks awesome :D
[19:48] <tsimonq2alt> yeah +1 wxl
[19:49] <wxl> instead of switching on and off it could switch between that and "all packages"
[19:49] <joern_s> wxl: that will be plugin-based
[19:49] <tsimonq2alt> but overall it looks stunning
[19:49] <wxl> oooh plugins nice
[19:49] <joern_s> if other flavours or respins want to use the new software center, they will be able to write a plugin and give it their own brand
[19:49] <redwolf> several tools have been developed lately, look at Fedy for Fedora, or ElementaryOS's "Software". things are going that way
[19:50] <wxl> love that idea
[19:50] <tsimonq2alt> ^
[19:50] <wxl> anything else??? :)
[19:50] <redwolf> nope
[19:50] <tsimonq2alt> n/a from me
[19:51] <joern_s> for the people on FB (even if it is old): https://www.facebook.com/groups/lubuntu.official/permalink/966205850102902/
[19:51] <wxl> lubuntu recommends. i like it
[19:51] <wxl> well that being said we'll move onto the next topic
[19:51] <redwolf> notice how "design nazi" recommendations are becoming real ;)
[19:52] <redwolf> yes, sorry
[19:52] <wxl> #topic mkusb
[19:52] <wxl> off to you sudodus
[19:52] <wxl> how's the progress to getting mkusb in debian????
[19:53] <sudodus> well, I have not much to tell - I have been busy with real life recently, and have not tried hard enough to find someone who can hold my hand to get mkusb into debian
[19:54] <wxl> sudodus: did you have any contact with melodie on that topic?
[19:54] <tsimonq2alt> adiós guys, I'll check in later
[19:55] <tsimonq2alt> o/
[19:55] <sudodus> I have mailed her a couple of times, but no reply. I'll try again, and also with bodhi.zazen as recommended by Phill
[19:55] <wxl> see yuh tsimonq2
[19:56] <wxl> sudodus: hm that's strange. she's usually pretty responsive. if you have no luck with bodhi, let me know
[19:56] <sudodus> What would be the delay from a working debian package to making it part of Lubuntu?
[19:57] <wxl> well packages sync pretty quickly, sudodus, so it should be pretty minor
[19:57] <joern_s> before feature freeze, there is nearly no delay
[19:57] <wxl> we've had a small handful of google code-in students test it and their reports have all been positive
[19:57] <sudodus> I will try more during the next few days
[19:58] <wxl> that's a new feature i wouldn't feel bad about having in the lts if we could do some pointed testing on it
[19:58] <wxl> feature freeze is feb 18
[19:58] <wxl> so there's not a ton of time, sudodus
[19:59] <wxl> that being said, unless you can get some immediate results, let's tentatively plan on 16.10
[19:59] <sudodus> People at the Ubuntu Forums have tested it too (and made me add/change some features)
[19:59] <phillw> joern_s: do you think agaida could assist sudodus in the hunt for debian sponsor?
[19:59] <joern_s> a simple question doesn't hurt, huh?
[19:59] <wxl> the biggest delay we're going to have with the whole process is getting in the debian repos. so that's the part we need to push hard on in the near term
[20:00] <phillw> joern_s: you know her best :)
[20:00] <joern_s> him! :D
[20:00] <phillw> yes, I fell for that before!
[20:00] <sudodus> Yes, I think getting mkusb into the debian repos in the one and only obstacle now
[20:01] <joern_s> sudodus: you could ask him via agaida@siduction.org
[20:01] <wxl> joern_s: or he hangs out at #lxde, too
[20:02] <wxl> ok well that's abuot all we have on that topic i guess
[20:02] <wxl> so last thing
[20:02] <sudodus> OK, I can try, and tell me that you suggested that I should ask him
[20:03] <wxl> #topic miscellany
[20:03] <wxl> anyone else have questions, comments, concerns, issues, stories, pictures, praise, condemntation, etc? :)
[20:03] <redwolf> .__.
[20:04] <teward> there's always condemnations for various things - but none for here from me :)
[20:04] <wxl> well if that's the case, i thank you all for your contributions to lubuntu!
[20:05] <wxl> if any of you would like to help out more (or at all), let me know. we can find a place for you and your talents/interests
[20:05] <redwolf> O.O
[20:06] <wxl> and with that being said
[20:06] <wxl> good night and farewell :)
[20:06] <wxl> #endmeeting
[20:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jan 13 20:06:20 2016 UTC.
[20:06] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2016/lubuntu-devel.2016-01-13-19.08.moin.txt
[20:06] <joern_s> good night everyone
[20:06] <phillw> wxl: thanks for chairing
[20:06] <wxl> np
[20:06] <sudodus> Thanks and goodbye
[20:06] <redwolf> tack sudodus
[20:07] <phillw> tc joern_s and sudodus
[20:07] <redwolf> joern_s, :*
[20:07] <joern_s> :D
[20:08] <sudodus> :-)
[21:30] <phillw> wxl: has someone been playing with the CSS for http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds white test on light grey is not too easy to see!!!
[21:30] <tsimonq2> phillw: it's a known bug
[21:31] <tsimonq2> phillw: balloons is aware and is fixing soon
[21:31] <phillw> tsimonq2: tnx
[21:33] <redwolf> phillw, you're right
[21:34] <redwolf> who can edit those?
[21:51] <tsimonq2> wxl: ooh ooh...we should have a test case specifically for doing Trusty -> Xenial
[21:53] <ianorlin> when does 14.04.4 come out?
[21:53] <ianorlin> or .5
[21:53] <ianorlin> the last point release
[21:54] <ianorlin> maybe do those tests cases for upgrade after that would be a good time to try
[21:54] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: .4 is before Xenial
[21:54] <ianorlin> oops
[21:54] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: but some people might go right to Xenial
[21:54] <tsimonq2> ianorlin: right after release
[21:54] <ianorlin> oh ok
[22:07] <redwolf> tv time! bbl
[22:18] <phillw> tsimonq2: that would just need the duplication of the existing upgrade testcases
[22:23] <tsimonq2> phillw: which is why I pinged Walter!
[22:24] <wxl> tsimonq2: do it!
[22:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: k