[05:25] <pitti> Good morning
[05:36] <darkxst> hey pitti, there is a weird test failure for g-o-a on s390x
[05:36] <darkxst> https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-xenial/xenial/s390x/libg/libgdata/20160113_035618@/log.gz
[05:40] <pitti> darkxst: ack, will have a look (just getting swamped with stuff in #u-devel, so this will have to wait a bit); but for now I retried it
[05:40] <darkxst> pitti, ok, its not urgent
[05:46] <hikiko> Hello
[06:33] <didrocks> good morning
[06:52] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[06:52] <pitti> didrocks: so, my last night's attempt to do the adt-run with a clean env also didn't help, i. e. the test still succeeded
[06:54] <didrocks> pitti: same in running the 3 large android tests… success :/
[06:54] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[06:55]  * didrocks now try to run pep8, small, medium and the 3 large android tests
[06:55] <didrocks> we'll see
[07:17] <pitti> darkxst: just looked into it, the s390x runners had no /etc/default/locale, so they failed when trying to show the actual error message; fixed that (so that I can debug it properly next time), and your test succeeded
[07:20] <darkxst> pitti, thanks
[08:26]  * pitti redeploys the autopkgtest cloud worker and fell into a juju trap, argh
[08:27] <pitti> any juju savvy folk please wave my way :)
[08:27] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:27] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:27] <pitti> hey seb128, bonjour !
[08:29] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:53] <willcooke> morning all
[09:01] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[09:01] <willcooke> morning didrocks, how goes?
[09:02] <didrocks> quite busy, but good! yourself? :)
[09:02] <willcooke> same :)
[09:02] <Laney> hello!
[09:03] <willcooke> also feeling like I've got a cold coming or something.  Just a bit meh this morning
[09:03] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:03] <didrocks> argh, make a group with seb128 :p
[09:03] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[09:03] <willcooke> ha, yeah
[09:03] <Laney> what's occurring
[09:07] <pitti> didrocks: FYI, you'll lose your ubuntu-make test request, I have to re-deploy the whole autopkgtest juju env :/
[09:08] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke
[09:08] <willcooke> morning seb128, feeling any better?
[09:08] <didrocks> pitti: argh, ok… :( rerunning
[09:08] <didrocks> pitti: this issue is becoming a little bit tedious
[09:08] <pitti> didrocks: not right now, it's torn down
[09:08] <didrocks> ok
[09:11] <Laney> hey seb128!
[09:11] <Laney> pitti: something b0rked?
[09:11] <pitti> Laney: yeah, I cluttered up the worker node and wanted to re-deploy that; then ran into a juju bug, and #juju and #is can't figure it out, so complete reset :/
[09:12] <pitti> re-fetching the results on autopkgtest.u.c. will take ages, other than that it should be back up fairly fast
[09:12] <pitti> well, famous last words :)
[09:13] <Laney> doh
[09:31] <pitti> Laney: ok, that wasn't too bad :)
[09:32] <pitti> fixed a syntax error in the debci charm, then it re-deploys in some 5 mins
[09:32] <Laney> nice!
[09:34] <darkxst> hey laney, seb128, willcooke and pitti! did everyone have a good holiday!
[09:34] <willcooke> hey darkxst
[09:38] <Laney> darkxst: seems like a long time ago now
[09:38]  * Laney faintly remembers all the cheese
[09:39] <alexarnaud> hello everyone!
[09:40] <seb128> hey darkxst
[09:40] <Laney> darkxst: how's it going?
[09:41] <seb128> willcooke, sorry, didn't see you previous line before, I'm a bit better, at least I slept well, still not over the throat infection though
[09:41] <seb128> hey alexarnaud
[09:41] <willcooke> seb128, urgh.  Tea to the rescue :)
[09:41] <seb128> yeah :-)
[09:42] <Laney> cognac
[09:42] <seb128> haha
[09:42] <willcooke> ha
[09:42] <Laney> oh and I'm just uploading webkit stuff to a ppa for now
[09:43] <Laney> saw a message about that last nite
[09:43] <pitti> didrocks: you can trigger the run again  now
[09:43] <seb128> Laney, you know the french ways ;-)
[09:43] <seb128> Laney, yeah, you said you would upload to the webkit2 versions, so I was wondering if you had the transition done or if the security team changed their mind
[09:44] <seb128> I didn't know the upload was a side one ;-)
[09:44] <darkxst> Laney, I have had 2 weeks with very limited internet, has been good
[09:45] <darkxst> still night entirely recovered from my medication nightmares though, so could have been better
[09:47] <didrocks> pitti: thx!
[09:56] <andyrock> morning
[09:58] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[09:59] <seb128> hey andyrock
[10:01] <larsu> mornig!
[10:02] <larsu> *morning!
[10:04] <seb128> hey larsu!
[10:04] <seb128> how are you?
[10:05] <larsu> exhausted! (just back from the gym)
[10:05] <larsu> how are you?
[10:07] <seb128> I'm alright, still sick but a bit better
[10:10] <ochosi> hey folks! quick question: you're not planning to push any css nodes/gtk3.20 stuff into 16.04, are you?
[10:12] <larsu> ochosi: no, that's quite a big refactor in 3.20
[10:14] <seb128> ochosi, hey, no, that's not the kind of the change we want in a LTS
[10:15] <Laney> hey larsu ochosi
[10:15] <larsu> Laney: hi! How's life?
[10:16] <Laney> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssuper!
[10:16] <larsu> :)
[10:16] <Laney> good gym sesh?
[10:17] <larsu> 'twas alright
[10:17] <larsu> was awake long last night, that didn't help
[10:18] <ochosi> phew good, thanks
[10:18] <Laney> you party animal
[10:19] <larsu> Laney: nah, just some beers with David and Kay
[10:19] <ochosi> larsu: i presume you haven't done all the gtk3.18 necessary transitions/fixes to the theme..?
[10:20] <larsu> nope, willcooke has been working on them, though
[10:21] <seb128> ochosi, if you want to contribute to some that would be welcome ;-)
[10:21] <ochosi> ah i see
[10:21] <ochosi> hehe
[10:21] <ochosi> well i dunno, i'm going to do the total minimum of what is necessary to make things look alright
[10:21] <ochosi> since the big refactor of 3.20 is on the horizon, i'd really prefer to invest the minimum time/effort now
[10:21] <willcooke> yes yes please help :)
[10:22] <ochosi> the last 4 commits here fix *some* stuff i saw was broken: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commits/master
[10:22] <ochosi> but since xubuntu uses far less gnome apps, i only see the tip of the iceberg supposedly
[10:24] <seb128> there are not too many issues with 3.18
[10:34] <ochosi> seb128: yes, linked buttons in inline-toolbars was one of the glitches i saw (and that's unfortunately a lot of code in CSS, even in SASS it looks a bit bloated for my taste)
[10:34] <seb128> yeah, those are an issue
[10:36] <seb128> the linked buttons at the bottom of dialogs as well
[10:36] <seb128> e.g gedit "do you want to save your work" ones
[10:38] <seb128> gnome-calendar popover has label color issues on mouseover but that might be specific to the that software
[10:42] <pitti> Laney: FYI, I'm updating goocanvasmm to latest upstream version; this blocks updating to a newer glom which in turn blocks moving to postgresql-9.5
[10:42] <pitti> Laney: (You are the Maintainer:, hence the notification)
[10:45] <Laney> pitti: updating where?
[10:45] <pitti> Laney: in xenial
[10:45] <pitti> Laney: it's only being used by glom, and neither is in Debian
[10:46] <Laney> pitti: oh right, it got removed ages ago, not really interested in those any more so go wild :)
[10:46] <Laney> (or remove)
[10:47] <pitti> glom has been FTBFS for a while
[10:47] <pitti> and the latest upstream version doesn't work becuase it needs the unpacked libxml++3.0
[10:47] <pitti> I'm trying wiht the next-to-last, which works with 2.6
[10:47] <pitti> if everything fails, I'm also fine with removing it; nobody maintains glom in Ubuntu really, it's just a step-child
[10:48] <Laney> ok, I'm happy with removing it too, classic Ubuntu-local package
[10:51] <Laney> bleh
[10:51] <willcooke> seb128, larsu - did we reach a conclusion re: Nautilus yesterday?
[10:51] <willcooke> I think we didn't
[10:51] <Laney> my monitor went off and I get "The selected configuration for dislpays could not be applied" "could not assign CRTCs to outputs"
[10:51] <Laney> when re-enabling it
[10:52] <Laney> did it just break????
[10:53] <Laney> re seating the cables was a good idea
[10:53]  * Laney puts the fire out
[10:56] <davmor2> pitti: why all the glom and doom :D
[11:00] <seb128> willcooke, I'm leaning toward "let's revert"
[11:01] <willcooke> Oki, seb128 larsu - oki let's review again on Friday?  Just in case something changes.  Otherwise we need to make a final call
[11:02] <seb128> k
[11:02] <seb128> willcooke, can we maybe get somebody from design to play with the version in xenial and give us some feedback on the things we mentioned yesterday?
[11:04] <willcooke> seb128, I'll probably need to do a video and send it over to John
[11:04] <seb128> willcooke, they don't even have one xenial machine in the office to play with?
[11:04] <seb128> hum
[11:04] <seb128> is https://packages.qa.debian.org/ working for others?
[11:05] <Laney> was down for me a bit ago
[11:05] <Laney> tracker.debian.org works
[11:05] <seb128> thanks
[11:05] <pitti> anonscm is still down
[11:07] <Laney> I updated my quick search thingy to use tracker now
[11:07]  * Laney gets with the times
[11:07] <seb128> I find the layout harder to read on that one
[11:08] <seb128> I should probably try a bit more to get used to it
[11:55] <larsu> Laney: tracker is what, 10 yrs old?
[11:58] <Laney> larsu: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/mutter this tracker
[11:58]  * larsu ← confused
[11:58] <larsu> ETOOMANYTRACKERS
[11:58] <darkxst> are you guys on drugs?
[11:59] <Laney> I said .debian.org the first time :P
[11:59] <larsu> I never read more than 3 lines of scrollback!
[11:59] <Laney> a fair policy
[11:59] <Laney> darkxst: you want some?
[11:59] <Laney> I got some "carrot cake"
[11:59] <Laney> it's hot on the streetz right now
[12:00] <darkxst> Laney, what am I gonna do with carrot cake ;)
[12:00] <Laney> and some "assam tea"
[12:00] <Laney> what you do with it is your business
[12:00] <Laney> just don't involve me, I ain't going down for you
[12:01] <darkxst> Laney, I know some gangsta's if you want to form a crew!
[12:01] <darkxst> but for now
[12:01]  * darkxst sleeps
[12:01] <Laney> I heard about this "craft beer"
[12:01] <Laney> someone ought to hook me up
[12:01] <Laney> night!
[12:02] <darkxst> Laney, holgates brewery
[12:02] <darkxst> night
[12:10] <seb128> what's going on on this channel?!
[12:10]  * seb128 wants no carrot cake
[12:11] <seb128> speaking of which, just registered for an esta, even more questions to reply to than in the past
[12:14] <pitti_> argh glom argh
[12:14] <Laney> don't waste time on it
[12:14] <didrocks> pitti_: I'm probably reading adt-run help wrong, but --git-source 'https://github.com/LyzardKing/ubuntu-make.git eclipse_multiple' --no-built-binaries will still build the package?
[12:15] <didrocks> pitti_: I have no tests requiring build (and didn't specify the option in d/t/c)
[12:15] <pitti_> didrocks: no, it shouldn't build the package, does it?
[12:15] <attente> good morning
[12:15] <didrocks> pitti_: seems so
[12:16] <didrocks> and then it installs it
[12:16] <pitti_> didrocks: oh, wait -- --no-buit-binaries must come *before* the test argument (--git-source)
[12:16] <pitti_> it always applies to the next test argument
[12:17] <didrocks> pitti_: oh, ok, trying!
[12:18] <Laney> hey attente!
[12:19] <didrocks> pitti_: yep, confirming it works
[12:19] <didrocks> thx
[12:20] <attente> hi Laney
[12:21] <attente> Laney: could you help me land https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/861?
[12:22] <Laney> umm I guess so
[12:22] <Laney> did someone review your package yet?
[12:22] <Laney> and is the version thing you were talking about fixed?
[12:24] <seb128> hey attente
[12:24] <attente> hi seb128
[12:34] <Laney> attente: would be better if you use the tarballs on github imho
[12:35] <Laney> debian/watch seems to work
[12:40] <Laney> debian/copyright says LGPL-2.0+ but the license actually appears to be 2.1+
[12:41] <Laney> don't see any copyright beyond 2012 specified in the source files (the "-2015 Canonical")
[12:41] <attente> oh... i thought the + was inclusive for that
[12:42] <Laney> think that's all
[12:43] <attente> thanks Laney, i'll make it download the tarball instead
[12:44] <Laney> you won't be able to fix the tarball in the ppa
[12:44] <Laney> so give me it another way if you want
[12:44] <Laney> like put it on lillypilly.canonical.com:public_html/
[12:45] <attente> are you going to overwrite the old one?
[12:45] <Laney> in a sense
[12:45] <Laney> I would just upload directly instead of using a landing silo
[12:45] <Laney> unless you want to do that for some reason
[12:45] <Laney> in which case you should get a new one
[13:09] <didrocks> pitti: bah, still can't reproduce the same failure (only running pep8, small, medium and test_android)
[13:10] <didrocks> pitti: I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't run those tests in a normal qemu instance on one server, that would address the "I have the tests results, cronify the requests without having a specific account and such…"
[13:35] <pitti> didrocks: if you have one, that'd be fine as well of course; sorry, I didn't get back yet to chasing this down
[13:37] <didrocks> pitti: no worry, it's just hard to debug… I wonder if I shouldn't pstree on each tests so that we can see the running processes
[13:38] <didrocks> I'm trying as well a wily run (not xenial, didn't make the dummy upload to the ppas still)
[13:45] <desrt> good morning teammates, and also didrocks
[13:47] <seb128> hey desrt
[13:50] <didrocks> desrt: good morning!
[13:51]  * didrocks goes in a guest session for a while, brb
[13:57] <ksamak> hikiko: TheMuso didrocks no choice but to link to gobject if one wants a11y... shall i make a compil flag? would that be acceptable?
[13:58] <ksamak> in compiz
[13:58] <didrocks> I think a compile flag would be acceptable if there is no other choice, but really, as I told you multiple times, I don't really work on compiz upstream anymore, so check with hikiko only
[14:03] <ksamak> yeah. nope, no choice, unless one is ready to remake the lib...
[14:10] <hikiko> ksamak, hi
[14:11] <hikiko> where does compiz uses gobjects?
[14:18]  * Laney screams mmmmmmvooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[14:20] <didrocks> Laney: not sure the hilight would work :)
[14:20] <Laney> wasn't trying to :P
[14:20]  * davmor2 slaps Laney who is obviously Hysterical
[14:20] <didrocks> just saying :p
[14:24] <Laney> pre-build.sh is sinful
[14:24]  * Laney might have battered it into submission though
[14:25] <ksamak> hikiko: we (hypra.fr) want to add accessibility features in compiz
[14:25] <Laney> hope it builds this time, getting hungry
[14:25] <ksamak> for blind and visually impaired
[14:25] <ksamak> so libATK needs gobject
[14:26] <hikiko> ksamak what type of features?
[14:26] <ksamak> hikiko: also, we'd like (or we will) re-introduce compiz in debian, how does that sound to you?
[14:26]  * davmor2 hands Laney his sledgehammer again, it worked last time ;)
[14:26] <ksamak> hikiko: firstly, vocalisation of basic desktop feats, like alt-tab
[14:26] <ksamak> and display on braille devices
[14:26] <hikiko> :D
[14:27] <hikiko> sounds nice
[14:27] <pitti> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make-builddeps/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/source/Sources  404  Not
[14:27] <pitti> +Found
[14:27] <pitti> didrocks: ^
[14:27] <pitti> didrocks: needs a dummy upload/copy again?
[14:28] <ksamak> hikiko: there's a lack of access for impaired users right now, so we'd like to correct that.
[14:28] <hikiko> but ksamak how will you use the c gobjects in compiz that is c++?
[14:28] <ksamak> well, i'm doing a archi binding, to have a cpp interface to ATK
[14:29] <didrocks> pitti: oh right, I only have some packages in trusty for the build-deps (not the same than ubuntu-make)
[14:29] <ksamak> or i'll use the cpp interface that exists, atkmm.
[14:29] <ksamak> whichever is better.
[14:29] <hikiko> I see
[14:29] <didrocks> pitti: copying + removing I guess
[14:29] <hikiko> ksamak, I don't think a flag is a problem
[14:29] <qengho> Okay, I thought I'd loathe Irssi and SSHing to my permanent machine get to a long-running IRC connection, but it's not bad.
[14:29] <hikiko> and ksamak the features sound really cool :)
[14:30] <hikiko> thanks for taking the time to add them!
[14:30] <ksamak> if anyone feels like helping, we also need to pull upstream from you guys, and adapt the packaging to debian as well.
[14:30] <ksamak> git.hypra.fr is our current repo
[14:30] <ksamak> we'll be switching to https://alioth.debian.org/projects/compiz
[14:30] <hikiko> ksamak, I am not familiar with packaging at all
[14:31] <hikiko> maybe Trevinho knows more
[14:31] <hikiko> I am just writing code
[14:31] <ksamak> ok. i guess you know more people in ubuntu than me though lol
[14:31] <hikiko> yes
[14:31] <hikiko> basically willcooke is the manager of the desktop team
[14:31] <hikiko> he can point out the right persons for everything I guess :)
[14:31] <ksamak> ok thx
[14:32]  * willcooke reads
[14:32] <hikiko> as for the debian, I really have no opinion ksamak I think the debian developers are responsible to take the decision
[14:33] <ksamak> yeah, they're willing to, we just have to do it now
[14:34] <willcooke> sounds like maybe TheMuso would be interested in this project overall, he's our a11y expert.  He also happens to know about packaging
[14:34] <ksamak> we just need a few pointers on how to remove the little ubuntu native packages from it
[14:34] <ksamak> ok, i'll come back later, thanks for the info
[14:34] <didrocks> the current questions are more about code than packaging though if I understood that right
[14:34] <didrocks> like adding a11y to compiz upstream
[14:34] <didrocks> willcooke: hikiko: FYI ^
[14:35] <ksamak> yeah these are two different subjects
[14:35] <didrocks> (the packaging will be a second part)
[14:35] <didrocks> ksamak: right, let's take one at a time :p
[14:35] <ksamak> we also need packaging for debian. well, it's already there, there's juste a couple modifs
[14:36] <willcooke> ksamak, when you need packaging help ping TheMuso (but he's in UTC-12) he might be able to offer some guidance there.  In the meantime, yeah, hikiko is our compiz code expert
[14:36] <Laney> OMG it built me a source package
[14:36] <willcooke> there's a #compiz channel as well, but that seems pretty much dead
[14:40] <davmor2> Laney: see you only have to mention sledgehammer ;)
[14:42]  * Laney nominates davmor2 for a spotlight award
[14:42] <Laney> supplier of finest computer scaring tools
[14:43]  * Laney goes for lunchies
[15:06] <didrocks> pitti: trying on xenial now that both ppas are boostrapped
[15:38] <didrocks> pitti: can't connect to github now :/ (and the other xenial worker wasn't up to date and failed): https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-wily-ubuntu-desktop-ubuntu-make/wily/amd64/u/ubuntu-make-git/20160113_153127@/log.gz
[15:38] <didrocks> pitti: I guess the ssh access isn't enabled, I'll use the https one
[16:38] <pitti> didrocks: sorry, was in meeting
[16:38] <pitti> didrocks: ah yes, you won't be able to ssh to github, only http and https through proxy
[16:50] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, still some docker timing out on wily though: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-ubuntu-make-git
[16:50] <qengho> didrocks: I diffed xdg-utils against xenial and Debian in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils/+bug/1518053 . Is that what you had in mind?
[16:56] <didrocks> qengho: hum, wrong person? :)
[16:57] <didrocks> oh no, a very old sponsor request
[16:57] <didrocks> I'll have a look tomorrow, enough for today ;)
[16:58]  * didrocks waves good evening
[16:58] <ksamak> didrocks: seeya
[16:59] <didrocks> see you ksamak!
[17:19] <seb128> Laney mastering webkit ;-)
[17:39]  * Laney roars
[17:39] <willcooke> meow
[17:46] <attente> Laney: sorry about the delay. do you think you could copy the package from here? https://launchpad.net/~attente/+archive/ubuntu/maliit-inputcontext-gtk
[17:49] <Laney> attente: ok, it'll have to be tomorrow now though
[18:03] <Laney> bye!
[18:06] <seb128> Laney, enjoy your evening!
[18:54] <snowstorm> hi all
[18:55] <snowstorm> does anyone knows about lost of surround sound through hdmi with Radeon HD 7700/7800 Series after Ubuntu 14.04 LTS latest update done few days ago?
[19:08] <alexarnaud> snowstorm: are you tring to verify if the right pulseaudio canal is used ?
[19:08] <alexarnaud> (with something like pavucontrol)
[19:09] <snowstorm> I still have stereo sound when playing video through VLC, but now surround anymore
[19:10] <snowstorm> and yes, all I see is front left and front right
[19:12] <alexarnaud> snowstorm: OK, sorry I can't helping you. You should to go to #ubuntu channel for support.
[19:12] <snowstorm> ok thanks alexarnaud for the consideration
[19:23] <willcooke> g'night all
[19:25] <alexarnaud> see you later everyone
[20:57] <TheMuso> ksamak: You could also talk directly via dbus to at-spi, thats another option.