[00:50] <bluesabre> Unit193: eat?
[01:21] <Unit193> I did, though wasn't that great.
[12:06] <bluesabre> knome: https://youtu.be/2lQnALrJ-0w
[14:15] <knome> bluesabre, mhm
[14:15] <knome> bluesabre, one thing i noticed there's no confirmation that the upload was ok
[14:17] <knome> bbl
[14:30] <sidi> Guys I really hope you plan on stopping shipping Abiword some day. This thing is  a joke. Updated a 15.04 to 15.10 and for some mysterious reason Abiword (which I literally have *never* run on that system) has writte 412GB of data into ~/.config/abiword (well till disk was full) 
[14:30] <sidi> I suspect a bit of a mess-up with debian preinst/postinst scripts for the Wily package
[14:31]  * sidi is done complaining :p sorry
[14:47] <Unit193> sidi: preinst/postinst don't touch users home.  What was in that dir?  And we've already stopped shipping it in favor of LO.
[14:48] <sidi> Unit193, it'll remain a mystery, I needed to ditch it because my workstation was kind of not working anymore
[14:49] <sidi> can the postinst run the app or other utilities?
[14:49] <sidi> and the app then go AWOL?
[14:49] <Unit193> It can run stuff of course, but generally is run as root.
[16:14] <sidi> Is there anything special about the Thunar package on Xubuntu? I have the impression that Launchpad builds it without applying Quilt patches!?
[16:14] <sidi> I'm really confused...
[19:26] <flocculant> akxwi-dave: have you been watching the doodle poll for the next session at all? 
[19:27] <akxwi-dave> not for a week or so
[19:28] <flocculant> k - currently the best is 3 for 16:00
[19:29] <flocculant> was going to ask the social media peeps to bump that next week, bump the mail lists then set date beginning of the week after that
[19:31] <akxwi-dave> sounds good mate
[19:31] <flocculant> I think those are the weeks anyway - basically bump and then set in the 6 days prior if that makes sense :)
[21:34] <ochosi> wow, gnome is really doing a rather big redesign of the settings dialog...
[21:35] <flocculant> no need for settings anymore? 
[21:38] <ochosi> haha, almost
[21:39] <ochosi> well at least it seems more locked down, the approach they're taking doesn't really allow for meaningfully "plugging in" extra settings dialogs
[21:39] <flocculant> :)
[21:40] <ochosi> (and i guess that is the whole point: *they* want to decide what is important to the users, and to some extent that makes sense too. but only to some.)
[21:40] <Unit193> Well as long as they aren't messing with GTK, shouldn't matter.
[21:40] <flocculant> yea I know that - which is why I don't install gnome or ubuntu now
[21:40] <Unit193> ochosi: You have mail, btw.
[21:41] <flocculant> just makes me wonder just how useful this gnome replacement for the ubuntu software tool is actually going to be
[21:42] <Unit193> flocculant: You open it, it detects you aren't running GNOME and fixes it for you.  Doesn't actually do much else.
[21:42] <ochosi> tbh i've never seen gnome-software in action myself
[21:42] <flocculant> nope
[21:42] <Unit193> I gave a few screenies, wasn't too bad right?
[21:42] <ochosi> but since the ubuntu software center is not a revelation, my general level of expectation is fairly low
[21:42] <flocculant> I suppose I'll grab the ppa when it shows up
[21:42] <flocculant> yea 
[21:43] <ochosi> yeah, me too
[21:43] <flocculant> ochosi: but should we use it 
[21:43] <flocculant> if we've been using usc and it's not really been supported - what difference does keeping it make? 
[21:44] <ochosi> dunno, i'll wait and see what gnome-software does
[21:44] <flocculant> I guess that's best 
[21:44] <flocculant> hopefully it'll show up at eow 
[21:47] <Unit193> bluesabre: Only FTBFS we have on the test rebuild/gcc6 rebuild is xubuntu-docs. \o/
[21:50] <Unit193> BTW, I can't login to the wiki to update the meetings page.
[21:50] <ochosi> a-ha a-ha
[21:50] <ochosi> from when on are we going to use the new wiki? (knome?)
[21:50] <flocculant> Unit193: I appear to have been logged out of there too
[21:51] <flocculant> ochosi: I didn't think we were using our wiki for everything? 
[21:52] <ochosi> i dunno, i wasn't really around to follow the website transition discussion tbh
[21:52] <Unit193> I dunno, but one that actually works would be nice.
[21:53] <ochosi> i just presumed we would use our own wiki once we have one
[21:53] <flocculant> as long as it's open to everyone
[21:53] <ochosi> (why keep info in two places?)
[21:53] <flocculant> if it's not open to everyone then that's just plain wrong
[21:53] <ochosi> yeah, i'm sure we'll find a meaningful policy for openness
[21:53] <flocculant> well 
[21:53] <Unit193> OpenID?
[21:54] <flocculant> ochosi: open is right - any sort of not open is wrong seems a good starting point
[21:54] <ochosi> what do you mean by "open" anyway?
[21:54] <ochosi> world-readable? world-writeable?
[21:54] <flocculant> that anyone can edit pages 
[21:54] <Unit193> flocculant: Bad idea, because spam.
[21:54] <flocculant> just the same as the one we're replacing
[21:54] <ochosi> do they need accounts? can they edit any page?
[21:55] <flocculant> Unit193 then the same as the ubuntu one
[21:56] <flocculant> ochosi: nothing wrong with needing an account ofc - but nothing we currently have is immutable
[21:56] <flocculant> (when the ubuntu wiki works)
[21:57] <ochosi> yeah, the way to ubuntu wiki sometimes doesn't work sorta makes some pages feel immutable :p
[21:57] <flocculant> yea - but that's just canonical fail on wiki :)
[22:13] <flocculant> \o/
[22:13] <flocculant> logged in - set date now
[22:14] <Unit193> Thanks.  Mine had a proxy timeout when I tried.
[22:14] <flocculant> I'll try and populate the agenda vaguely
[22:16] <flocculant> any need to bring -themes up? 
[22:16] <ochosi> i'd ask bluesabre 
[22:16] <ochosi> but generally i think we're on tra k
[22:17] <ochosi> some greybird fixes have landed, others are still due
[22:17] <Unit193> Perhaps, but it highly stinks...
[22:17] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - just seems easier to add things to agenda while logged in then ignore it than fight to login again :p
[22:17] <ochosi> and the other part about not having >1 usable theme, well, it's still too early to tell
[22:19] <flocculant> added themes to the list 
[22:20] <flocculant> we can ignore it :)
[22:20] <Unit193> ochosi: Can you make it to the scheduled time?
[22:20] <flocculant> Unit193: anyway - done, not fighting google calendar tonight though ... hint
[22:20] <Unit193> flocculant: Thanks.
[22:22] <flocculant> ochosi: my issue is that we don't introduce any sort of censorship into our wiki that isn't present in the one we use currently 
[22:24] <Unit193> flocculant: BTW, current images fine?
[22:25] <flocculant> ish
[22:26] <Unit193> And thanks for reminding me about Numix, means I don't update 'alpha' :P
[22:26] <flocculant> Unit193: not checked today, yesterday all was good except black login screen after install, which went after login/out/in
[22:26] <flocculant> and blueman crash
[22:27] <Unit193> Was thinking about another core update, considering last one was 31-Dec-2015.
[22:28] <flocculant> yea
[22:28] <ochosi> Unit193: i'll try, can't promise though
[22:28] <ochosi> it's not totally unrealistic that i'll make it
[22:29] <flocculant> Unit193: that was the other thing I meant to add to agenda ... 
[22:29] <Unit193> flocculant: Why bother?  No status updates since last time.
[22:29] <flocculant> getting really itchy with my hat on with that now
[22:29] <flocculant> because that ^^ 
[22:30] <flocculant> we should get it talked about - even if we end up thinking about 19.04 for it 
[22:31] <flocculant> Unit193: you can update your one - I don't much push it, I think that slickymaster tries to look when he can
[22:31] <Unit193> flocculant: Sure, I don't mean to push you or others, but may as well have it up to date, I see random hits on it after all.
[22:32] <flocculant> yea 
[22:32] <flocculant> I understand that - and I *do* try it out now and again too :)
[22:33] <flocculant> what I'm after is it being on the tracker properly so we can follow it properly 
[22:35] <flocculant> we should perhaps look at the website pointer to IRC and tell people to hang about for at least 15 minutes ... 
[22:37] <flocculant> "Due to the real-time nature of IRC, it is often the fastest way to get help" > "Due to the real-time nature of IRC, it is often best to wait for at least 30 minutes after asking a question before leaving, no need to repeat, just have some patience. In addition many of your questions would be answered just as easily in #ubuntu, try us for the xfce side of your installation queries"
[22:45] <pleia2> flocculant: shared package testing info on the social medias
[22:45] <flocculant> pleia2: thank you :)
[22:46] <flocculant> pleia2: next week sometime I'm going to have one last push of the irc session 
[22:46] <flocculant> with the ordinary link
[22:46] <pleia2> hehe
[22:46] <pleia2> ok, I have travel+conference starting on wednesday, so I'll catch up when I am back at computer and not dead
[22:47] <flocculant> ok - I'll push it monday :)
[22:47] <pleia2> wfm
[22:47] <flocculant> then ask you social peeps to do your magic
[22:47] <flocculant> then set time on the 25th 
[22:48] <flocculant> assuming more than 3 people ... 
[22:48] <pleia2> I don't think I have people
[22:49] <flocculant> :)
[22:49] <flocculant> you're just one of the peeps :)
[23:05] <flocculant> knome: ^^^ "due to real time nature ..." just a thought and a draft one at that :p
[23:30] <flocculant> night all