[00:50] Unit193: eat? [01:21] I did, though wasn't that great. [12:06] knome: https://youtu.be/2lQnALrJ-0w [14:15] bluesabre, mhm [14:15] bluesabre, one thing i noticed there's no confirmation that the upload was ok [14:17] bbl [14:30] Guys I really hope you plan on stopping shipping Abiword some day. This thing is a joke. Updated a 15.04 to 15.10 and for some mysterious reason Abiword (which I literally have *never* run on that system) has writte 412GB of data into ~/.config/abiword (well till disk was full) [14:30] I suspect a bit of a mess-up with debian preinst/postinst scripts for the Wily package [14:31] * sidi is done complaining :p sorry [14:47] sidi: preinst/postinst don't touch users home. What was in that dir? And we've already stopped shipping it in favor of LO. [14:48] Unit193, it'll remain a mystery, I needed to ditch it because my workstation was kind of not working anymore [14:49] can the postinst run the app or other utilities? [14:49] and the app then go AWOL? [14:49] It can run stuff of course, but generally is run as root. [16:14] Is there anything special about the Thunar package on Xubuntu? I have the impression that Launchpad builds it without applying Quilt patches!? [16:14] I'm really confused... [19:26] akxwi-dave: have you been watching the doodle poll for the next session at all? [19:27] not for a week or so [19:28] k - currently the best is 3 for 16:00 [19:29] was going to ask the social media peeps to bump that next week, bump the mail lists then set date beginning of the week after that [19:31] sounds good mate [19:31] I think those are the weeks anyway - basically bump and then set in the 6 days prior if that makes sense :) [21:34] wow, gnome is really doing a rather big redesign of the settings dialog... [21:35] no need for settings anymore? [21:38] haha, almost [21:39] well at least it seems more locked down, the approach they're taking doesn't really allow for meaningfully "plugging in" extra settings dialogs [21:39] :) [21:40] (and i guess that is the whole point: *they* want to decide what is important to the users, and to some extent that makes sense too. but only to some.) [21:40] Well as long as they aren't messing with GTK, shouldn't matter. [21:40] yea I know that - which is why I don't install gnome or ubuntu now [21:40] ochosi: You have mail, btw. [21:41] just makes me wonder just how useful this gnome replacement for the ubuntu software tool is actually going to be [21:42] flocculant: You open it, it detects you aren't running GNOME and fixes it for you. Doesn't actually do much else. [21:42] tbh i've never seen gnome-software in action myself [21:42] nope [21:42] I gave a few screenies, wasn't too bad right? [21:42] but since the ubuntu software center is not a revelation, my general level of expectation is fairly low [21:42] I suppose I'll grab the ppa when it shows up [21:42] yea [21:43] yeah, me too [21:43] ochosi: but should we use it [21:43] if we've been using usc and it's not really been supported - what difference does keeping it make? [21:44] dunno, i'll wait and see what gnome-software does [21:44] I guess that's best [21:44] hopefully it'll show up at eow [21:47] bluesabre: Only FTBFS we have on the test rebuild/gcc6 rebuild is xubuntu-docs. \o/ [21:50] BTW, I can't login to the wiki to update the meetings page. [21:50] a-ha a-ha [21:50] from when on are we going to use the new wiki? (knome?) [21:50] Unit193: I appear to have been logged out of there too [21:51] ochosi: I didn't think we were using our wiki for everything? [21:52] i dunno, i wasn't really around to follow the website transition discussion tbh [21:52] I dunno, but one that actually works would be nice. [21:53] i just presumed we would use our own wiki once we have one [21:53] as long as it's open to everyone [21:53] (why keep info in two places?) [21:53] if it's not open to everyone then that's just plain wrong [21:53] yeah, i'm sure we'll find a meaningful policy for openness [21:53] well [21:53] OpenID? [21:54] ochosi: open is right - any sort of not open is wrong seems a good starting point [21:54] what do you mean by "open" anyway? [21:54] world-readable? world-writeable? [21:54] that anyone can edit pages [21:54] flocculant: Bad idea, because spam. [21:54] just the same as the one we're replacing [21:54] do they need accounts? can they edit any page? [21:55] Unit193 then the same as the ubuntu one [21:56] ochosi: nothing wrong with needing an account ofc - but nothing we currently have is immutable [21:56] (when the ubuntu wiki works) [21:57] yeah, the way to ubuntu wiki sometimes doesn't work sorta makes some pages feel immutable :p [21:57] yea - but that's just canonical fail on wiki :) [22:13] \o/ [22:13] logged in - set date now [22:14] Thanks. Mine had a proxy timeout when I tried. [22:14] I'll try and populate the agenda vaguely [22:16] any need to bring -themes up? [22:16] i'd ask bluesabre [22:16] but generally i think we're on tra k [22:17] some greybird fixes have landed, others are still due [22:17] Perhaps, but it highly stinks... [22:17] ochosi: ok - just seems easier to add things to agenda while logged in then ignore it than fight to login again :p [22:17] and the other part about not having >1 usable theme, well, it's still too early to tell [22:19] added themes to the list [22:20] we can ignore it :) [22:20] ochosi: Can you make it to the scheduled time? [22:20] Unit193: anyway - done, not fighting google calendar tonight though ... hint [22:20] flocculant: Thanks. [22:22] ochosi: my issue is that we don't introduce any sort of censorship into our wiki that isn't present in the one we use currently [22:24] flocculant: BTW, current images fine? [22:25] ish [22:26] And thanks for reminding me about Numix, means I don't update 'alpha' :P [22:26] Unit193: not checked today, yesterday all was good except black login screen after install, which went after login/out/in [22:26] and blueman crash [22:27] Was thinking about another core update, considering last one was 31-Dec-2015. [22:28] yea [22:28] Unit193: i'll try, can't promise though [22:28] it's not totally unrealistic that i'll make it [22:29] Unit193: that was the other thing I meant to add to agenda ... [22:29] flocculant: Why bother? No status updates since last time. [22:29] getting really itchy with my hat on with that now [22:29] because that ^^ [22:30] we should get it talked about - even if we end up thinking about 19.04 for it [22:31] Unit193: you can update your one - I don't much push it, I think that slickymaster tries to look when he can [22:31] flocculant: Sure, I don't mean to push you or others, but may as well have it up to date, I see random hits on it after all. [22:32] yea [22:32] I understand that - and I *do* try it out now and again too :) [22:33] what I'm after is it being on the tracker properly so we can follow it properly [22:35] we should perhaps look at the website pointer to IRC and tell people to hang about for at least 15 minutes ... [22:37] "Due to the real-time nature of IRC, it is often the fastest way to get help" > "Due to the real-time nature of IRC, it is often best to wait for at least 30 minutes after asking a question before leaving, no need to repeat, just have some patience. In addition many of your questions would be answered just as easily in #ubuntu, try us for the xfce side of your installation queries" [22:45] flocculant: shared package testing info on the social medias [22:45] pleia2: thank you :) [22:46] pleia2: next week sometime I'm going to have one last push of the irc session [22:46] with the ordinary link [22:46] hehe [22:46] ok, I have travel+conference starting on wednesday, so I'll catch up when I am back at computer and not dead [22:47] ok - I'll push it monday :) [22:47] wfm [22:47] then ask you social peeps to do your magic [22:47] then set time on the 25th [22:48] assuming more than 3 people ... [22:48] I don't think I have people [22:49] :) [22:49] you're just one of the peeps :) [23:05] knome: ^^^ "due to real time nature ..." just a thought and a draft one at that :p [23:30] night all