[01:12] <bluefive> http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/ubuntu-dvd/xubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[01:12] <bluefive> It says Desktop Image twice and the descriptions are the same
[01:12] <bluefive> what's the difference between these two images?
[01:15] <Tomiii> 14.04  vs 14.04.   just look at the link
[01:15] <Tomiii> 14.04.3*
[01:16] <Tomiii> bluefive: you're right though, that it's poor documentation
[01:16] <bluefive> I see it now.
[01:17] <bluefive> Do you think Xubuntu is not beginner friendly?
[01:17] <Tomiii> well, that website isn't  :P
[01:17] <Tomiii> they should have it in bold letters  14.04.3 vs 14.04
[01:19] <bluefive> Tomiii, Also the  page encourages users to download the 32-bit version by default.
[01:19] <bluefive> Whereas I think most now are using 64-bit systems.
[01:20] <Tomiii> how does it encourage 32 bit?
[01:20] <Tomiii> most people use 64 bit
[01:21] <bluefive> "For almost all PCs. This includes most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows, as well as newer Apple Macintosh systems based on Intel processors. Choose this if you are at all unsure."
[01:21] <Tomiii> "For almost all PCs. This includes most machines with Intel/AMD/etc"
[01:21] <bluefive> That's what it says under 32-bit.
[01:21] <bluefive> Choose that if you are at all unsure.
[01:21] <Tomiii> haha, yes.  it should say "Compatible" instead of "For"
[01:22] <bluefive> I really think the page is intended to push away beginners.
[01:22] <Tomiii> bluefive: what distro are you using now?
[01:22] <bluefive> Ubuntu.
[01:23] <bluefive> I thought Xubuntu, Lubuntu, MATE are the lighter versions.
[01:23] <Tomiii> bluefive: well, i wouldnt say "push away", i'd say most things in Linux world, are designed for the people that already know how to use it (not beginners)
[01:25] <Tomiii> it's just a lower priority, also--  making things user-friendly.  It pissed me off at first too, but now i'm used to it
[01:26] <Tomiii> bluefive: yes, stock Ubuntu has Unity , which is copied off OSX, so it's easier for Mac guys.   but i dont like it- plus it is slower
[01:27] <Tomiii> bluefive:   http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[01:28] <Tomiii> bluefive: i use both Xubuntu & Linux Mint XFCE.   Linux Mint is more beginner-friendly, has more programs, more things setup out of the box for you.  (Xubuntu is more streamlined)
[01:28] <Network2501> !mint
[01:28] <bluefive> Why such hostility to Mint?
[01:29] <Network2501> that's hostile?
[01:29] <Tomiii> I'm not really sure. Good question.  I think Mint guys and Ubuntu guys should be on the same team
[01:30] <bluefive> Tomiii, Why do you avoid the MATE versions?
[01:30] <genii> Tomiii: The main problem is that a lot of Mint users try to seek support in *buntu channels when there are differences which can end in disaster
[01:30] <Tomiii> Mint is just stuff added onto Ubuntu, to make it easier.
[01:31] <Network2501> well no
[01:31] <Network2501> unless linux mint started sending data to Canonical
[01:33] <Tomiii> bluefive: MATE doesnt have window-snapping. (but in Mint, it is easy to change window managers -- to use XFCE's window manager inside of MATE, to get window snapping.  but maybe that is risky?)
[01:34] <genii> Mint also uses it's own repos for codecs. so if a user is having issues playing something and a helper tells them to install for instance ubuntu-restricted-extras, it screws up their machines royally
[01:34] <Network2501> xfce + fluxbox...
[01:35] <genii> Little differences like this.
[01:36] <meercat> congratulations, xubuntu boots in vb on my macbook while ubuntu fails
[01:36] <meercat> i hereby declare yours the flagship *buntu distro
[01:37] <Tomiii> bluefive:  here are a lot of tips:    https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/
[01:38] <bluefive> XFCE is supposed to be lighter than MATE?
[01:39] <Tomiii> bluefive: i don't like the word "lighter".  That usually just  means, lower RAM usage. --- I like "faster" (even if it uses tons of RAM)
[01:40] <bluefive> I'm mostly interested in keeping CPU utilization down.
[01:40] <Tomiii> bluefive: great example is Chromium -- it is not "light". it is very "heavy" on RAM. but because it USES the RAM, it is FASTER
[01:41] <bluefive> The point is this, Tomiii
[01:41] <Tomiii> bluefive: explains that it is better to *use* RAM, than have it sit there:  http://www.LinuxAteMyRAM.com/
[01:41] <bluefive> I want a snappy experience on a machine with a weak CPU.
[01:42] <Tomiii> bluefive: XFCE uses a "little" less RAM, than MATE,  iirc.
[01:42] <bluefive> I like weak CPUs for two reasons: lower TDP means quieter operation and secondly I save money.
[01:42] <meercat> xfce runs fine on 1gb ram systems
[01:43] <meercat> any pentium will do
[01:43] <Tomiii> bluefive: as far as snappiness/speed, i am not sure. they are very close.  good question.
[01:44] <bluefive> Tomiii, By the way, what's the chat channel for users here?
[01:47] <knome> #xubuntu-offtopic is the general chatter channel
[01:47] <bazhang> !ot
[03:14] <craigbass76> I might be numbing it, but I can't see how to put my laptop to sleep when I shut the lid.  It worked with regular xubuntu and Mint, but I threw ubuntu-studio on (which uses XFCE) and it's not working.
[07:39] <marie_> hi, I am having trouble trying to share this Xubuntu 14.04 folders via Samba to a Windows computer
[07:40] <well_laid_lawn> !samba
[07:40] <marie_> this computer does not show up at all on the network
[07:41] <well_laid_lawn> marie_:  I don't know anything about samba but there's a couple of links above that might help
[07:42] <marie_> thanks, looking at it now. I have already tried configuring Samba for a good while but obviously something is not right
[08:28] <marie_> hmm I made some progress
[08:28] <marie_> I can now browse the shared files on this computer, but Windows 10 laptop still doesn't see this one
[10:01] <marie_> I got my issue sorted; apparently Windows 10 has a new version of the SMB protocol so I had to force it to use the older one. More info: https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/26e5fd75-f3ab-4ffe-ace4-ed4ba96f82e5/not-discovering-ubuntu-server-on-network?forum=win10itpronetworking
[10:13] <Luyin> marie_: glad you could solve it :)
[10:20] <xubuntu04w> Hello I have installed xubuntu 15.10 and my pc is unable to read audio cd.
[10:33] <xubuntu04w> unable to read audio cd ubuntu 15.10
[10:34] <xubuntu04w> cd audio appears on desktop but reading impossible
[10:35] <xubuntu04w> soundjuicer finds tracks names on line but unable to extract. Cd reader spins and stops many times
[10:37] <exidux> Be patient. on irc people do not always answer withing a 5 minute range. ;)
[10:37] <exidux> within*
[10:37] <xubuntu04w> yes thank's
[10:51] <jarnos> Strange. If I run "i3lock --dpms" as an autostarted script, it will not unlock with the correct password. If I start e.g. xtrlock same way, it works. (This is on Mythbuntu 14.04 that uses Xfce4.)
[10:59] <jarnos> Would it be better to add it in ~/.bash_profile ?
[11:00] <jarnos> Is it possible that user could prevent the lock from being executed during automatic login?
[11:20] <jarnos> ~/.bash_profile did not work. I guess it is not for X apps.
[13:49] <coriander> hi. i face lines in bright videos
[13:49] <coriander> it only happens on xubuntu
[13:49] <coriander> i have tried installing lubuntu-desktop DE and did the same on mplayer. it has no issues there
[13:50] <coriander> on xubuntu, videos get torn by lines whenever there is a bright scene (like lights, explosion, flash)
[14:08] <marie__> hi, I have a Radeon 5700 series GPU, and the proprietary AMD driver. However, I cannot get any sound over HDMI working, and yes I have selected it in PulseAudio settings
[14:10] <marie__> volume levels are as they should be, however there is no volume activity shown
[14:11] <GridCube> marie__, while you are playing a sound, open pavucontrol and see if that particular stream of sound is going trhough hdmi
[14:11] <GridCube> each sound stream can go to different outputs
[14:11] <marie__> I know
[14:11] <marie__> it goes to the right one, but no sound
[14:12] <GridCube> in the last tab of configuration try different outputs for hdmi
[14:12] <marie__> there is only one, Digital Stereo (HDMI) Output
[14:15] <GridCube> marie__, http://i.imgur.com/MBhXBVD.png is not like this?
[14:16] <marie__> no
[14:16] <GridCube> mmhm
[14:17] <GridCube> it is selected as well on output devices?
[14:18] <GridCube> the third tab
[14:18] <marie__> http://i.imgur.com/lpiTHbi.png
[14:18] <marie__> yes
[14:19] <GridCube> marie__, even at the risk of sounding cliched, have you tried shuting it off and on again?
[14:19] <marie__> yep
[14:20] <GridCube> many, many times, my sound issues get solved by that
[14:20] <GridCube> do you have the same issue with the generic plugin?
[14:21] <marie__> generic plugin? No, I get sound through the Analog Stereo output from the motherboard
[14:21] <GridCube> do you have the same issue with a different media player?
[14:21] <marie__> yes
[14:22] <GridCube> are your speakers turned on and with their volume up?
[14:23] <marie__> HDMI sound, so only software controlled, and yes I have my headset plugged into the screen
[14:23] <GridCube> does the headset works properly somewhere else?
[14:24] <marie__> yes, works fine with analog
[14:24] <GridCube> mmm
[14:24] <GridCube> ok
[14:24] <GridCube> no idea then sorry
[14:24] <marie__> thanks for the try though
[14:25] <GridCube> i'd look if alsa-mixer shows the stream as not muted, i would try to restart alsa
[14:25] <GridCube> if that fails i'd try the generic drivers
[14:25] <GridCube> sorry, i gotta go now bbl
[14:25] <marie__> yep, tried alsamixer, not much to change there
[16:50] <boira> hi!
[16:51] <boira> i want to install the latest version of gedit (3.19)
[16:51] <boira> i have installed 3.10.4
[16:52] <boira> do you know any repository?
[17:14] <mariosm> hi all i have an issue with my xubuntu 15.10 if anyone can help
[17:15] <mariosm> i am running it on a lenovo s10e, i am using suspend quite often
[17:15] <genii> Better to just describe the actual issue to the channel and then see if someone can assist
[17:15] <mariosm> sometimes when i suspend screen stays black, lights and fan are on
[17:16] <mariosm> and the netbook does not suspend
[17:16] <mariosm> the ony solution is pressing power button for a few seconds to hard shutdown netbook
[17:16] <mariosm> loosing all my work
[17:16] <mariosm> the truth is that most of the times suspend works
[17:17] <mariosm> so i have not figured why sometimes it does not.
[17:22] <jdwwatts> mariosm what are your light locker settings
[17:24] <mariosm> you mean under power manager --> security --> light locker?
[17:25] <mariosm> auto lock session = never, lock screen when system is going to sleep = disabled
[17:28] <jdwwatts> yes but i dont now anything i just typed the problem into google and it had info but noy for 15.10 i dont usually suspend mine without fifishingso dont kow what mine does
[17:29] <jdwwatts> finishing
[17:30] <mariosm> most of the issues i found on the net was black sceen on wakeup
[17:30] <mariosm> while i got black screen while it tries to suspend
[17:31] <jdwwatts> i is it because it does it when you close your lid
[17:32] <jdwwatts> ok
[17:32] <mariosm> no, any kind of suspend. it could be i press stanby button of netbook, or standby from whisker shtdown menu
[17:33] <mariosm> ive got a lot of messages from cat /var/log/syslog | grep PM: but i do not know what they mean, i also dont remenber the time it last did it today so i can cross reference
[17:35] <jdwwatts> so it locks up when you try to suspend then you loose whatever you were working on wow
[17:35] <jdwwatts> its eyond me
[17:37] <SorcerousFox> I doubt this is related to your issue but when I used to have issues like you are describing it was an older toshiba laptop and the issue ended up being something about an unsupported bios/chipset because there was a lot of other stuff that didn't work either :P
[17:40] <mariosm> @sorcerousfox it could be, i wouldnt know. but everything else works fine though. just suspend works anytime it feels like it
[18:00] <mariosm> anyway guys, apperantely no solution, time to check alternatives
[18:00] <mariosm> bye
[22:21] <xubuntu79w> hello guys
[22:22] <xubuntu79w> can someone help me to install a epson sx425w printer ? i m going mad
[22:22] <xubuntu79w> can t find solutions :(
[22:23] <xubuntu79w> thank you
[22:39] <pfalk> Maybe not the correct channel, but... I'm an Xubuntu newbie. After about 4 years using Ubuntu and in total about 15 years using Linux. Happy so far! :-)
[22:57] <flocculant> pfalk: if you just want to say that - then thanks :) if you want to chat then #xubuntu-offtopic is best :)