[00:00] <valorie> testing is only one of the things non-coders can do
[00:00] <valorie> believe me
[00:00] <valorie> but testing is awesome, and please file bugs for things
[00:02] <valorie> clivejo: I'll go check the progress of the xenial box
[00:03]  * michelsedgh is going to report bugs :D
[00:06] <valorie> clivejo: on this box, after adding your ppa, and apt installing kdeconnect-plasma, I get: kdeconnect-plasma is already the newest version.
[00:07] <clivejo> grrr
[00:07] <clivejo> yeah, need to ask yofel about that
[00:07] <valorie> apt-cache policy kdeconnect-plasma
[00:07] <valorie> kdeconnect-plasma:
[00:07] <valorie>   Installed: 0.0+git20150810-0ubuntu1
[00:08] <valorie> is this newer than the one you previously packaged?
[00:08] <valorie> because I removed your ppa, but didn't purge
[00:08] <clivejo> no, stupid versions
[00:08] <valorie> late last year sometime
[00:08] <clivejo> the maintence is using letters
[00:08] <clivejo> 0.9f and g
[00:09] <clivejo> maybe it hasnt been published yet
[00:09] <michelsedgh> clivejo: oh the kde connect in opening my files has a problem, and it cant open my files on my smartphone! 
[00:09] <valorie> anyway, I doubt I added it for the xenial box
[00:10] <valorie> I'll check first
[00:10] <michelsedgh> http://imgur.com/W6OWkJm
[00:12] <clivejo> michelsedgh: which version of kdeconnect-plasma?
[00:13] <michelsedgh> clivejo: the one you gave me today
[00:13] <clivejo> thats f
[00:13] <clivejo> try g !
[00:14] <clivejo> are you on wily or xenial, I forget?
[00:14] <valorie> sorry, I forgot the time
[00:14] <michelsedgh> wily
[00:14] <valorie> heading to my dad's early for a meeting with hospice, so I need to leave now.....
[00:15] <clivejo> michelsedgh: try this one - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/wily/+build/8844748/+files/kdeconnect-plasma_0.9g-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa2_amd64.deb
[00:23] <michelsedgh> hm, my smartphone says that my laptop uses a newer protocol version!
[00:24] <clivejo> is your smartphone updated to newest version?
[00:24] <michelsedgh> yes, the latest in google play!
[00:24] <michelsedgh> 0.9e on my ohne
[00:24] <michelsedgh> phone*
[00:25] <clivejo> mine it 0.9e on phone too
[00:25] <clivejo> works fine :/
[00:25] <michelsedgh> :c
[00:26] <michelsedgh> do you have the link to the first one you gave me? at least that one connected to my phone
[00:27] <clivejo> this new version will have over written it :/
[00:27] <clivejo> you could remove it and use the archive version
[00:28] <michelsedgh> ok thanks :) 
[00:28] <clivejo> try removing it off both
[00:28] <clivejo> removing the devices
[00:28] <michelsedgh> i did that
[00:29] <clivejo> it should work :/
[00:29] <michelsedgh> i even rebooted my laptop(logout gave me a black screen :/)
[00:29] <michelsedgh> and i cant manually restart sddm :C 
[00:30] <clivejo> eakkk
[00:31] <claydoh> will there ever be a Xenial iso with a working imstaller, or is there a fix?
[00:48] <sgclark> claydoh: could yah be more specific? is there a bug I can look at?
[00:49] <claydoh> the installer is broken
[00:49] <claydoh> so Ill assume it is not necessarily a kubuntu  specific issue
[00:49] <claydoh> lemme dig it up
[00:50] <sgclark> claydoh: which iso please, I will need to try to reproduce to have a clue
[00:50] <claydoh> any daily kubuntu for the last 5 days at least
[00:52] <claydoh> this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1532009
[00:53] <claydoh> or better:
[00:53] <claydoh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1529450
[01:01] <sgclark> claydoh: added to trello, thanks
[01:01] <claydoh> cool, thanks!
[01:55] <DarinMiller> claydoh:  I posted a work around for the xenial install yesterday.  It's kind of a pain (takes about 15-20 minutes to fix).  Look for my comments http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/12/%23kubuntu-devel.html.
[01:56] <DarinMiller> Let me know if you have questions.
[01:56] <claydoh> DarinMiller: I know, but it is not woth the effort really, for me at least.
[01:57] <DarinMiller> Also note, the xenial install also requires the  /etc/sddm.conf update to change PLACEHOLDER to plasma.desktop
[02:08] <DarinMiller> I can send you the ubi-prepare.py file and save you the 15.10 download if you like. Uploading the 935MB squashfs file would take forever with my network connection.
[02:23] <cmakeshift> Testing 5.5 on wily. plasmashell is crashing at random intervals. Mostly when idling. Always gets back on its feet. But it is a bit annoying though.
[02:23] <cmakeshift> anyone else experiencing this?
[02:24] <cmakeshift> (I'm using intel graphics on an optimus setup)
[02:27] <DarinMiller> my optimus system is running xenial which does not have 5.5 yet and backports is only configured for wily.   I will post once xenial hits 5.5.
[02:28] <DarinMiller> On my intel gpu laptop, the plasma crashes whenever updates are ran (either manually or background) but this issue is known....
[04:51] <sandroid> Hi.. I came by looking to help with testing Plasma 5.5 PPA's for 15.10.   
[04:51] <sandroid> I already have a launchpad account, but it's unclear which of the CI/backport/beta PPA's I should use - and where I can find some test-case documentation
[04:52] <sandroid> ok, just read the whole topic :| 
[04:53] <DarinMiller> Just a tester here myself: use ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[04:54] <DarinMiller> After the update, but before rebooting, update /etc/sddm.conf and replace PLACEHOLDER with plasma.desktop
[04:55] <DarinMiller> Waring, the update will kill muon, so all ensure you know how to update from the command line.
[04:56] <sandroid> I've never participated in anything *buntu, are there typically some well defined test plans, or is it just a question of having us play around and report back "anything"?
[04:56] <sandroid> I never used muon ;)
[05:01] <DarinMiller> I have not seen any formal test plans.  Occasionally someone reports an issue (which should be reported via kde.bugs.org) and the devs will ask if others are affected.
[05:03] <DarinMiller> for instance kdeconnect does not work unless the latest version is installed (0.9g I think),  but not all packages are on in the landing ppa.
[05:07] <DarinMiller> Another noted issue is that plasma crashes during update due an issue between the update plasmoid and some other component.  But, it restarts/recovers automatically.
[05:16] <sandroid> I plan to do it on a fresh install w/just nfs-common, chrome PPA and pycharm.  I do hope Kontact works well - I took a quick look at the PPA and I think there's a mishmash of versions of KDE applications - and I don't see Kontact/kdepim/kmail etc, so we'll see if it's the "old" Kontact or not
[05:19] <DarinMiller> People have also reported trouble with PIM.  Check the daily logs here to review some of the noted issues: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/12/%23kubuntu-devel.html
[05:19] <DarinMiller> Adjust the day in url to jump to desired day.  
[05:25] <sandroid> "People have reported trouble" is quite the understatement ;) Seems it's downright broken.  I guess I'll have to use thunderbird for now.  It's my development machine at work, I like having email :)
[05:25] <DarinMiller> :)
[05:29] <DarinMiller> signing off for now...
[07:06] <nicols> morning!
[07:12] <nicols> i know its early but :) .... don't know if it is a bug or feature, but my blue breeze folder icons are different color in dolphin? they are now brighter and more cyan :)
[07:30] <soee_> nicols: yes they changed in latest frameworks i think
[07:31] <soee_> vip: what bugs you have ?
[07:32] <nicols> soee_: that bug that i have, plasma crashing, i turned out that it is old stuff, related to task manager: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342763
[07:33] <nicols> must go. bye!
[07:33] <soee_> on what version ? 
[07:34] <soee_> 5.5.3 ?
[07:44] <vip> soee_: I didn't upgrade yet
[07:44] <vip> (haven't?)
[07:45] <soee_> well for most testers all works pretty good :)
[07:58] <vip> soee: you've convinced me ;)
[08:03] <soee> vip: you ar eon Wily ?
[08:18] <vip> soee: yes
[08:21] <vip> soee: bbl
[10:07] <vip> soee: it works
[10:08] <vip> but ugly titlebars as hell :)
[10:16] <vipw> soee: still there's lag on login screen 
[10:21] <sheytan> guys, crash log: http://pastebin.com/yT52UBmL
[10:21] <sheytan> from plasma
[10:21] <sheytan> 5.5
[10:22] <valorie> sheytan: I never got that far, so cool
[10:22] <valorie> did you get dr Konqui, and did you file a bug at bugs.kde.org?
[10:24] <sheytan> valorie: sure thing
[10:25] <valorie> I was going to, but for some reason dr k said my crashes weren't informative enough
[10:25] <valorie> even though I had the dbg packages installed
[10:25] <valorie> off to be for me, though
[10:26] <sheytan> valorie: it might be wrong and the infos are helpful anyway
[10:27] <sheytan> always worth a try
[10:43] <mparillo> On Xenial this morning, I got maybe a dozen new fonts with unmet dependencies.
[10:43] <clivejo> mparillo: same here
[10:44] <mparillo> I seemed to fix them with  sudo apt-get -f install 
[10:44] <clivejo> but looks more like a ubuntu issue
[10:45] <mparillo> Because we do not care about TTF fonts?
[10:46] <mparillo> TTF fonts = True Type Fonts fonts. and KDE does not use them, and we are migrating to KDE fonts?
[10:46] <clivejo> I mean that I dont think any Kubuntu dev have been involved in that upload
[10:46] <mparillo> TY
[10:48] <clivejo> might get better support in #ubuntu+1
[10:50] <mparillo> Thanks again
[10:55] <vipw> hm, plasma crashes, even with debugging symbols the report isn't sent
[11:06] <clivejo> why everytime I drop into plasma does it load 4 kate windows?
[11:13] <soee> mamarley: http://news.softpedia.com/news/nvidia-releases-new-beta-driver-for-linux-with-support-for-new-gpus-498905.shtml
[11:13] <soee> mparillo: any idea if this one ha fix for the crashes we had in previous one ?
[11:14] <mamarley> soee: Thanks :)  (By the way, I am also in #ubuntu-x and talk about NVIDIA would be more on-topic there.)
[11:14] <soee> oki :D
[11:28] <yofel> clivejo: sorry, got distracted yesterday and ended up doing nothing productive
[11:28] <yofel> clivejo: what did you want to ask me?
[11:28] <clivejo> yofel: I packaged kdeconnect, but having issues with the version number
[11:28] <clivejo> upstream are using 0.9g
[11:29] <yofel> weird, but acceptable
[11:29] <clivejo> but 0.9+git2015.... seems to be more recent
[11:29] <yofel> yes, + >> g
[11:30] <clivejo> how do I fix that?
[11:30] <yofel> you can test such things yourself you know: dpkg --compare-versions 0.9g gt 0.9+git -> exit 1 (false)
[11:31] <yofel> now that's a good question actually :/
[11:31] <clivejo> would you have a look at it in my PPA?
[11:32] <yofel> 0.9.0g would work I guess
[11:32] <yofel> can't right now, will have to wait until evening
[11:32] <yofel> sgclark: debian renamed the git repo from discover to plasma-discover
[11:33] <yofel> thinking about it, our scripts will fail on that -.-
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:38] <vip> hi ho
[11:38] <nicols> can i have 15.12 applications in willy ?
[11:39] <yofel> come again in a week, then "maybe"
[11:39] <nicols> ok, one week sounds great :)
[11:47] <sheytan> yofel: do you know maybe, why the kmail icon isn't from breeze?
[11:47] <sheytan> that was in 5.4 and still is a bug imo in 5.5
[11:50] <yofel> depends on which one you mean. "kmail.png" is shipped with kmail, not breeze
[12:00] <sheytan> yofel: one don't simply change it, right? You have to change it in the source and recompile?
[12:02] <yofel> sheytan: the icon that's associated to the application is set in the desktop file, which in this case I assume is /usr/share/applications/kmail_view.desktop
[12:02] <yofel> that says Icon=kmail, and kmail.png is shipped in "kmail"
[12:03] <mparillo> soee: I am not sure what you mean by "any idea if this one ha fix for the crashes we had in previous one ?" Are you referring to the link you sent mamarley? If so, no, I would not have any idea.
[12:03] <yofel> sheytan: there is a view-pim-mail.png in breeze, so maybe that's used by kmail 15.12?
[12:04] <mamarley> mparillo: Yeah, I am pretty sure soee meant me.  Sorry.
[12:04] <sheytan> yofel: it says Icon=kmail. Should i change to kmail.png?
[12:04] <sheytan> or svg?
[12:05] <sheytan> or the name of the icon from breeze, cause its not called kmail as far as i remember
[12:06] <yofel> change it to view-pim-mail for a test
[12:06] <yofel> the actually used file is situation dependent
[12:10] <sheytan> yofel: no change
[12:10] <yofel> dunno then
[12:14] <sheytan> yofel: where does kmail stores the icon?
[12:31] <yofel> sheytan: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/*/apps/kmail.png
[12:38] <sheytan> yofel: well, did my best. No change. Can you report this to someone?
[12:39] <yofel> could you please file a bug about this? 
[12:39] <yofel> could also be that the new icon is shipped with apps. I won't look into this until we're done with those
[14:11] <Riddell> nice comments from someone I used to share an office with https://paste.kde.org/pe3zbscna
[14:13] <yofel> :)
[14:13] <sgclark> nice Riddell thanks for sharing
[14:14] <soee> Updates notifications - it belongs to Plasma, Apps, Frameworks or system ?
[14:14] <sgclark> yofel: ok on discover, does it still need a merge, I got distracted by KDE stuff when git was down
[14:14]  * soee wonders against what bug report should be created
[14:14] <yofel> sgclark: it does, but I can do it later if you're busy
[14:15] <yofel> soee: that's discover notifier
[14:15] <soee> yofel: ah, yeah. sorry i thought i didn't report it yet but i did: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357613
[14:17] <soee> discover needs some love, when it comes to notification, look & feel etc.
[14:19] <cmakeshift> Riddell: As biased as I may be (this is kubuntu-devel anyway), I think he's right. KDE tech has come such a long way in the last five years, and Kubuntu is the best way to experience that.
[14:20] <cmakeshift> Sincerely, thanks to all of you.
[14:21] <mamarley> I agree too.  KDE is awesome, and Kubuntu is the most awesome way to experience that awesomeness!
[14:22] <clivejo> awesome
[14:26] <BluesKaj> gawd that word is so overused....but i agree nonetheless :-)
[14:27] <Maxiride> I'm hearing a lot of people on ubuntu-it (I'm from Italy btw) blaming riddell instead. And that his departure from the project will lead Kubuntu to die soon.
[14:28] <Riddell> blaming me for kubuntu being awesome?  weird these italian people
[14:28] <Riddell> I'm in trieste next week if any of them want to blame me in person for kubuntu being awesome
[14:28] <yofel> lol
[14:28] <Maxiride> Just to inform you that there are many points of view, on my side I'm trying to help testing the new Plasma 5.5.3 also because I love KDE and Kubuntu
[14:29] <clivejo> I blame Riddell too
[14:29] <Maxiride> Riddell: ahah lol I don't think anyone of them will say it again face to face.
[14:29] <Riddell> oh I think that's unfair, there are many people who can be blamed for making kubuntu awesome
[14:29] <soee> :D
[14:30] <clivejo> Riddell conned me into packaging
[14:31] <clivejo> got me somewhat addicted
[14:31] <cmakeshift> clivejo: maybe you can con me into it too
[14:32] <cmakeshift> clivejo: is there anything specific where kubuntu is lacking manpower?
[14:32] <yofel> packaging? :D
[14:32] <clivejo> cmakeshift: LOL packaging
[14:32] <yofel> well, docs too
[14:32] <yofel> Testing was too, but more people helped test plasma than I was expecting, so that kind of worked out
[14:33] <clivejo> we need to clone yofel sgclark and Riddell, then we we sorted!
[14:34] <cmakeshift> yofel: people are looking at all the articles about plasma 5.5 and going "ooh, shiny"
[14:34] <clivejo> my 5.5 isnt shiney
[14:34] <clivejo> I want 5.6
[14:34] <clivejo> bored with 5.5 now
[14:34] <yofel> clivejo: you need to clone sitter really, although the rest of us is useful too
[14:34] <soee> btw. the lottery in USA was today or is tomorrow ?
[14:35] <cmakeshift> civejo: that must be the bane of working close to upstream
[14:35] <yofel> well, there *is* still apps if you need a broken workspace
[14:35]  * clivejo isnt liking the new icons
[14:35] <cmakeshift> clivejo* (serves me right for not using tab)
[14:36] <sgclark> our lottery we find out today
[14:36] <Maxiride> clivejo: yeah me too, the new battery icon in the system tray looks "older" in style than the 5.4.3 one
[14:36] <yofel> cmakeshift: anything software development related or distro related that you aready did or like working on or anything that interests you particulary?
[14:36] <cmakeshift> I want to get involved with the project, but it feels daunting. I doubt anyone here has the time for babysitting me but some pointers would be nice
[14:37] <clivejo> cmakeshift: yofel loves babysitting
[14:37] <yofel> well, we do babysitting too on occasion, sometimes that's the only way. 
[14:37] <cmakeshift> yofel: I have been programming with Qt for a long time now (something like 6 years)
[14:37] <clivejo> hes a bit scarey at times though
[14:37] <yofel> indeed, muahahaha
[14:38] <cmakeshift> yofel: I am about to become a mechatronics engineer fwiw (not much I'd guess)
[14:38] <clivejo> a what?
[14:38] <sgclark> oh neat
[14:39] <Maxiride> just about it, someone without any programming knowledge, how can help the project? Except reporting bugs when encountered?
[14:39]  * clivejo googles
[14:39] <yofel> cmakeshift: we don't do much programming ourselves, but we have a couple things in Qt or PyQt, and some plain python/ruby scripts. But we do lack people with C++ experience right now
[14:39] <Maxiride> cmakeshift: woah really? Me too but still a bachelor degree
[14:39] <clivejo> ah, mechanics and electronics
[14:39] <sgclark> Maxiride: documentation is always needed, no programming needed
[14:40] <yofel> it's the new mechanics title as you have a hard time finding something mechanical that doesn't have a chip in one way or another in it
[14:40] <cmakeshift> clivejo: and a surprising amount of computer science
[14:40] <Maxiride> sgclark: thanks! I'll look into it.
[14:40] <yofel> try fixing a car today without a computer, have fun
[14:40] <clivejo> use a big hammer
[14:40] <yofel> I said fix, not "fix" :P
[14:41] <cmakeshift> yofel: I think I can help with that
[14:41] <marco-parillo> If that doesn't work, it only means your hammer was not big enough.
[14:41] <sgclark> lol
[14:41] <soee> Maxiride: when it comes to docs, talk with ahoneybun
[14:41] <clivejo> cmakeshift: any good at fixing an inverter?
[14:42] <cmakeshift> clivejo: inverters are temperamental af
[14:42] <clivejo> cmakeshift: this one especially!
[14:42] <clivejo> Its breeding gremlins
[14:43] <cmakeshift> clivejo: I envision green sparks flying everywhere
[14:43] <clivejo> nope, just magic black smoke
[14:43] <clivejo> and that lovely smell of burning PCB 
[14:44] <cmakeshift> clivejo: did you try reinstalling the OS? :D
[14:44] <clivejo> OS is on the chips
[14:44] <sgclark> ahh I worked in a PCB design shop for years, I remember that smell
[14:45] <apol_> yofel: do you know how can I reproduce the bug?
[14:45] <yofel> apol_: install the plasma packages and run 'sudo apt update', should already trigger it
[14:46] <marco-parillo> clivejo: The AMC Gremlin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_Gremlin) was a notoriously unreliable car. And apol_ just pulled us back on-topic.
[14:46] <clivejo> cmakeshift: I have one of these Im "trying" to repair - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wtdi_z68RQ
[14:47] <clivejo> its a mod sine wave, not full like he says in video
[14:49] <cmakeshift> clivejo: I was very confused until I realized it's for solar applications
[14:49] <clivejo> lots of applications
[14:50] <apol_> yofel: got it, I pushed a fix
[14:50] <clivejo> DC to AC inverter
[14:50] <cmakeshift> clivejo: oh yeah, battery to household
[14:51] <soee> apol_: can you also tak a look at this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357613 ?
[14:51] <yofel> apol_: thanks, let me rebuild the package
[14:51] <cmakeshift> Getting back on topic, if there are any programming tasks for getting my feet wet, I'd be happy to work on it
[14:51] <sgclark> darn I am not a billionaire. back to work
[14:51] <clivejo> cmakeshift: can you code QT apps?
[14:52] <cmakeshift> clivejo: Yes
[14:52] <yofel> cmakeshift: if you know python / pyQt, there is something I know offhand. Otherwise I would have to look
[14:52] <clivejo> I think Rick could do with a hand
[14:52] <cmakeshift> yofel: I know python but not pyQt. Shouldn't be too hard though
[14:53] <yofel> cmakeshift: lp 1529450
[14:53] <apol_> soee: good catch, let me look into it
[14:53] <yofel> our installer is a bit delicate... :/
[14:55] <cmakeshift> yofel: would be surprising otherwise
[14:56] <cmakeshift> yofel: ok, so I have to run the daily build?
[14:57] <apol_> soee: fixed
[14:57] <yofel> cmakeshift: probably easiest to work on if you log into a daily build livesession, then fetch the source package for the frontend. 
[14:57] <yofel> I'm not quite sure where the VCS for this is right now
[14:57] <yofel> lp:ubiquity is the installer itself, but not sure if the frontends are in there
[14:58] <soee> apol_: thank you !
[14:58] <soee> yofel: can you include this fix also  ?
[14:58] <soee> *when rebuilding package
[14:58] <yofel> soee: sure, it's on the same branch
[14:58] <soee> thanks
[15:01] <cmakeshift> yofel: ok, I'm downloading daily-live/current
[15:54]  * soee just finished kebab
[15:55]  * clivejo is hungry
[15:56]  * clivejo plays in the snow
[15:56] <soee> :D
[15:59]  * nicols is going home
[16:00] <jasonwert> Hello, I'd like to help with testing.
[16:00] <soee> hi jasonwert
[16:00] <soee> yofel: do we have anything to test ^ ?
[16:01] <jasonwert> hello
[16:01] <yofel> not any more than the last couple days. And LP keeps postponing my discover builds -.-
[16:02] <soee> jasonwert: please wait till plasma-discover with fixes finish building, than Plasma 5.5.3 is for test 
[16:02] <paneves> Hi. I've upgraded Plasma packages using kubuntu-backports-landing ppa and I'm having issues with desktop widgets...
[16:02] <soee> paneves: hi, what kind of issues ?
[16:03] <paneves> Cannot resize the comic strip widget...
[16:03] <jasonwert> I need to reinstIs it prefered to upgrade from 15.10 or install 16.04?
[16:03] <soee> paneves: this might be related to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357835
[16:03] <yofel> jasonwert: upgrade, 16.04 has a broken installer right now
[16:03] <jasonwert> ok, thanks
[16:04] <soee> paneves: but for me resizing widget works pretty good
[16:05] <paneves> I was just testing on a KaOS virtual machine and the same happens
[16:05] <soee> paneves: yes probably regression in plasma-desktop as mentioned in bug report
[16:08] <paneves> Maybe. I'm wondering whether I should downgrade back to 5.4.3 or wait for a fix in 5.5...
[16:08] <soee> paneves: well if you don't do a lot resizing tahn you can stay on 5.5 :)
[16:09] <paneves> Well, I guess so... Are you using 16.04 or 15.10?
[16:10] <soee> i'm on 16.04
[16:17] <acher88> resizes OK here in wily with 5.5.3
[16:17] <acher88> What happens when you drag the resize box?
[16:19] <paneves> there's nothing I can do on the box. No handles show up...
[16:20] <acher88> on 5.5.x you have to click and hold the edge of the widget for a few secs to make them show up
[16:20] <soee> did you unlocked widgets ?
[16:21] <paneves> yes
[16:21] <soee> paneves: one more thing:right click on desktop -> Properties -> Tweaks and see if press and hold to drag option is checkked
[16:22] <paneves> That's it... Clicking for a while shows up the controls. Then I'm able to resize. Cheers...
[16:23] <acher88> If that annoys you, you can turn that of in the 'tweaks' section of the right click desktop settings
[16:24] <acher88> http://i.imgur.com/QDObN8T.png
[16:25] <acher88> ^^ as soee says.....
[16:25] <paneves> Ok. I see it...
[16:29] <yofel> "Start in 14 minutes". 20 minutes later "Start in 12 minutes". It's been a while since LP was so bad at predicting build times
[16:32] <clivejo> seems to be very busy recently
[16:37] <yofel> lots of disabled builders too, but the situation looks pretty normal
[16:37] <yofel> could be that someone uploaded a batch of high priority jobs, but I don't really see any
[16:37] <soee> kernel 4.4 ? just a shot
[16:39] <yofel> no, but it seems like someone synced all the debian php packages for example
[16:40] <soee> php7 maybe coming to ubuntu ?
[16:40] <yofel> well, php7.0 is in xenial already
[16:40] <soee> oh ?
[16:41] <yofel> !info php7.0 xenial
[16:41] <clivejo> senile is cutting edge!
[16:43] <soee> http://news.softpedia.com/news/powerful-ubuntu-tablet-is-going-on-sale-from-mj-498924.shtml
[16:51] <Sho_> apparently all of the computers at Western Washington University college run Kubuntu btw
[16:51] <yofel> \o/
[16:52] <yofel> soee: sweet, that sounds like a perfect thing to put plasma on :D
[16:53] <soee> :D
[16:54]  * yofel isn't impressed with unity's rendering performance
[16:54] <soee> someone should kick lp, so it will start doing its job
[16:54] <yofel> unless they plan to use unity8, that might do a better job
[16:55] <sgclark> ok, found my wily vm, did upgrade. reboot worked, things seem ok, but a few oxygen icons reappeared
[16:55] <soee> sint unity8 planned for 16.04 ?
[16:55] <sgclark> oh yofel, what is going on with xenial, why are we testing a backport before main?
[16:55] <yofel> well, the archive still only has 7.4
[16:56] <yofel> sgclark: because people
[16:56] <yofel> well, we're testing both really
[16:56] <sgclark> because people? I am lost haha
[16:56] <soee> i think both have the same issue / status
[16:56] <yofel> I always upload fixes to both, so there's little difference
[16:56] <sgclark> anyway off to a meeting, but will geet back to apps when I get back
[16:57] <yofel> sgclark: did you merge discover?
[16:57]  * yofel assumes no from git
[16:57] <sgclark> yofel: no, got stuck with some kde sysadmin tickets sorry, you said no hurry
[16:57] <yofel> sgclark: that's fine, I'll do it once I'm home
[16:57] <sgclark> I can after meeting though
[16:58] <sgclark> yofel: ^
[16:58] <sgclark> yes/no? 2 mins to answer
[16:58] <yofel> sgclark: I'll do it
[16:58] <sgclark> very well
[16:59] <sgclark> sorry... 
[16:59] <yofel> Quintasan: would you have time over the weekend to possibly help with uploading? We'll need a motu for the new sources.
[16:59] <Quintasan> Would Sunday be fine?
[16:59] <yofel> sgclark: np, as I said, there was no hurry. Just don't want to step on your work if you had done something
[16:59] <yofel> Quintasan: sure
[17:00] <yofel> I need to get someone to put ECM back into kubuntu-dev anyway
[17:00] <yofel> should do that tomorrow before people are gone really
[18:02] <soee> yofel: build finished from what i see, just not published yet
[18:02] <soee> yofel: ping
[18:08] <soee> yofel: if you could also rebuild plasma-desktop with this bufgix: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357835 would be perfect
[18:54] <nicols> hello!
[18:56] <soee_> hiho
[18:59] <sgclark> hiyas
[19:00] <nicols> don't have any crashes today
[19:00] <nicols> happy :)
[19:01] <soee_> yeah, also yofel added fix for discover notifier causing pasmashell crash
[19:01] <nicols> i had this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=342763 ... it is not related to 5.5.3, it is old stuff :) 
[19:05] <nicols> One question: Dialog "file already exists" in KDE 4 there was a preview for images. I don't have it on KDE 5. Is there a way to enable/fix this?
[19:06] <soee_> ?
[19:11] <sgclark> yay ktp works
[19:12] <sgclark> nicols: I am unclear on what your seeking. Did it compare two images or something?
[19:15] <nicols> sgclark and soee_: this was in kde4: http://smg.photobucket.com/user/toddrme/media/computer/dolphin/file-replace-mockup_all.png.html
[19:15] <nicols> and this is in kde5: http://s71.photobucket.com/user/nbelavic/media/file-replace-5_zps6rbn5esz.png.html?sort=3&o=0
[19:17] <soee_> might be it was not ported to kf5 
[19:17] <soee_> like video thumbnails
[19:18] <sgclark> oh wow that is cool
[19:18] <sgclark> lol
[19:18] <sgclark> unfortunately nicols that is something that needs to be reported upstream kde
[19:18] <soee_> sgclark: but we don't know how it works in apps 15.12 :)
[19:19] <nicols> ok, will do :)
[19:19] <soee_> better wait for apps 15.12, test than and report if ths feature is missing
[19:19] <sgclark> soee_:  fairly certain not implemented yet. I run on unstable most of the time and it certainly is not there
[19:20] <sgclark> unstable being kde master
[19:20] <sgclark> unless it was implemented in the last couple days hahah
[19:21] <soee_> :D
[19:21] <sgclark> I suppose anything is possible
[19:21] <soee_> sgclark: are you able to backport one patch to 5.5.3 ?
[19:22] <sgclark> soee_:  sure, but yofel has final call
[19:22] <soee_> sgclark: [19:08] <soee> yofel: if you could also rebuild plasma-desktop with this bufgix: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357835 would be perfect
[19:22] <soee_> ok than lets wait for his call
[19:23] <soee_> i think it is pretty important as users use panel in different positions
[19:23] <sgclark> yeah I have seen some talk of it in here. 
[19:23] <sgclark> great seeing all the new testers
[19:32] <BluesKaj> what about us old guys? :-) 
[19:37] <soee_> :>
[19:49] <sgclark> great seeing the old tester too lol
[19:49] <sgclark> testers*
[19:51] <BluesKaj> thanks sgclark  ;-)
[20:41] <clivejo> yofel: you home?
[20:46] <Guest60576> Hi there. Im willing to test Kubuntu 16.04 further by installing it locally on my laptop but the installer is broken with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1529450
[20:46] <Guest60576> What should I do then to install Kubuntu?
[20:47] <clivejo> install a previous version and do a distribution upgrade?
[20:57] <fryfury> someone need tester?
[20:58] <soee_> hi fryfury
[20:58] <fryfury> Hi
[20:59] <soee_> what do you want to test? Plasma 5.5.3 on Wily or Xenial ?
[20:59] <fryfury> yes, on wily
[21:00] <fryfury> Just need install from test repo and send something?
[21:00] <soee_> fryfury: ok, please add this ppa: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[21:00] <soee_> than upgrade system and report if all was fine :)
[21:02] <fryfury> Send report to...? where? :D
[21:02] <clivejo> on a postcard :P
[21:02] <soee_> tell us here, channe is logged and devs have bouncers to thay will read it
[21:03] <soee_> ah yes, and postcard to clivejo :)
[21:03] <clivejo> soee_: tell fryfury the bugs we know about!
[21:03] <soee_> well there is only one now, problem with resizng panels, but yofel probably will backport patch fr it soom
[21:04] <clivejo> is the update thing fixes and in the langing PPA?
[21:04] <soee_> clivejo: yes it is fixed
[21:04] <fryfury> I have notebook with optimus. It is very complicate to fix
[21:05] <soee_> fryfury: what is complicated to fix ?
[21:07] <fryfury> sometimes, on other distro it don't work
[21:07] <fryfury> ok, adding ppa, loading packages.
[21:07] <fryfury> wish me goodluck
[21:07] <clivejo> good luck !
[21:08] <clivejo> fingers and toes crossed
[21:08] <soee_> fryfury: what doesn't work ?
[21:08] <fryfury> screen, which connected to nvidia. It is not kde trouble
[21:09] <soee_> on multiscreen machine ?
[21:10] <fryfury> yes.
[21:10] <fryfury> Sorry for n00b question. But which repo with test packages? Don't see
[21:11] <soee_> ?
[21:11] <soee_> sudo apt-add-epository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[21:15] <soee_> uh small typo, should be:
[21:15] <soee_> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing
[21:21] <turgay> soee_:  muon does not work
[21:21] <turgay>  muon : Bağımlılıklar: libmuon (= 4:5.4.2-0ubuntu1)  
[21:21] <soee_> turgay: muon is not supported/mainteind atm.
[21:22] <soee_> discover is now replacement
[21:48] <clivejo> wb fryfury
[21:49] <fryfury> all work fine. Have some problem with plasma-systray-legacy from other repo
[21:49] <fryfury> just remove package
[21:51] <fryfury> so long wait new kde :D
[21:56] <SergioEDuran1> hello friends
[21:56] <SergioEDuran1> when Plasma 5.5.3 will land in the backports?
[21:57] <yofel> will be moved from backports-landing to backports on saturday I think
[21:58] <SergioEDuran1> On Saturday? cool
[21:59] <sandroid> hi... will that happen regardless of PIM state, or did you guys manage to make significant progress today?
[21:59] <sandroid> I tried it yesterday but I like using Kontact alot, so I need to wait :)
[21:59] <Guest8281> By the way, which version of Plasma desktop should be on the final release of 16.04? Will 5.6 be present or not enough time?
[21:59] <yofel> sandroid: pim is applications, we can release plasma without working on that
[22:00] <yofel> or waiting
[22:00] <sandroid> right... i keep forgetting about that split
[22:00] <yofel> Guest8281: not sure yet, we'll have to see. We'll try to get it in if possible
[22:01] <Guest8281> Nice, thank you very much for your effort.
[22:01] <SergioEDuran1> friends I am having the systray icon update bug so I need get plasma 5.5
[22:02] <SergioEDuran1> I will be waiting for the update :)
[22:02] <Guest8281> Me too, waiting for the Saturday update :D
[22:08] <SergioEDuran1> friends i want to share with you my desktop :) http://imgur.com/r2btJGg
[22:09] <SergioEDuran1> I hidden and them shown the network icon and I got it but obviously when I reboot my PC the icon becomes invisibe again
[22:09] <SergioEDuran1> but thre it is
[22:13] <yofel> ximion: so you made discover depend on appstream. is 0.8.4-1 enough or should that be >= 0.9?
[22:16] <ximion> yofel: 0.8.4 is enough
[22:16] <yofel> thanks
[22:16] <ximion> using it with 0.9 is of course the better idea though (some nice speed improvements and safer error handling exist in 0.9)
[22:17] <yofel> might as well put that into the ppa then
[22:18] <SergioEDuran1> friends coud you package and distribute the Evolvere light pure aurorae theme on the Kubuntu's ppa or backports ppa?
[22:20] <yofel> Send a mail to the ML, then we'll see if someone has time or is interested.
[22:20] <SergioEDuran1> wich is your mail?
[22:21] <yofel> kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[22:21] <SergioEDuran1> thank you very mutch
[22:23] <SergioEDuran1> yofel: did you saw the titlebars on my screenshot?
[22:23] <yofel> yes
[22:24] <SergioEDuran1> these are the evolvere pure light titebars
[22:24] <yofel> not too bad, although I prefer breeze myself
[22:25] <yofel> ximion: are you intentionally not installing any of the notifier files? They're not in not-installed either though
[22:25] <ximion> yofel: they should be in the -updater package
[22:25] <ximion> I compiled Discover multiple times, and there were no files discover installs but that aren't packaged
[22:26] <yofel> ximion: ah, so they are. I just messed up the merge
[22:26] <ximion> (--list-missing is nice for that)
[22:26]  * yofel isn't working on +git so stuff fell apart
[22:27] <SergioEDuran1> hahahaha I prefer light titlebars for the breeze widget style, the breeze titlebars are good but I do not feel like it fits with it's widget style
[22:27] <ximion> yofel: btw, I used a recent git snapshot of discover, obviously :P
[22:27] <yofel> yeah, I saw that from the changelog ^^
[22:27] <ximion> I plan to release it into Debian when there is some kind of release of discover
[22:28] <ximion> (with the naming change)
[22:28] <Guest8281>  Yeah, Breeze titlebars dont fit with light theme like Oxygen theme
[22:28] <yofel> 5.5.90 is ~soon, so won't be long anyway
[22:28] <yofel> well, I'll agree on the widget scheme, which is why I use breeze-dark myself
[22:29] <SergioEDuran1> hahahaha I see
[22:29] <ximion> yofel: do you know why .90 isn't on the schedule page? https://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/Plasma_5
[22:29] <yofel> ximion: oh, I meant .95
[22:29] <yofel> I'm still used to beta1 being .90 :/
[22:29] <ximion> .95 is in March - to me, that's a long time
[22:30] <SergioEDuran1> yofel: seriouly if somebody can make the package I will thank you
[22:30]  * ximion thinks about using a Git snapshot in Tanglu, to get more user feedback
[22:30] <yofel> maybe we'll do the same an xenial, but for now I'll release 5.5 as-is
[22:32] <SergioEDuran1> yofel: could you put my request on the kubuntu-devel mailing list? I do not want to get constant mails from it
[22:33] <yofel> can do
[22:33] <ximion> yofel: then take the appstream+qapt patch, so AS gets more testing
[22:34] <yofel> ximion: that's in qapt?
[22:34] <SergioEDuran1> yofel ximion: so in the saturday coud we get plasma 5.5 in the backports ppa?
[22:34] <SergioEDuran1> I will be waiting
[22:35] <ximion> yofel: do, Discover: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=discover.git&a=commitdiff&h=97f1426d5806beae0456566e1cf6653341d64afa - but not in 5.5, the naming change is also not in 5.5, so it will be annoying to package
[22:35] <yofel> thanks
[22:37] <SergioEDuran1> well I will go to the bathroom
[22:37] <SergioEDuran1> see you
[22:37] <SergioEDuran1> and please when you move plasma 5.5.3 to the backports ppa announce it at the kubuntu news blog :)
[22:40] <michelsedgh> sorry i know i shouldnt to ask it here but disabling kidle_inject could harm my device? i asked it twice in #kubuntu and nobody knew :c
[22:43] <ximion> michelsedgh: well,  your device will consume more power and will probably get warmer too
[22:43] <ximion> not bad per-se, but if you don't have a good reason to do so, I wouldn't disable it
[22:47] <michelsedgh> yeah because when i play games and it gets warm, it actually freezes the game
[22:54] <yofel> ok, discover done finally
[22:54] <yofel> now to -desktop
[23:04] <yofel> sgclark: did you put the plasma merges into kubuntu_unstable?
[23:08] <yofel> My plan was to have those uploaded together with 5.5, but they need to be in kubuntu_xenail_archive and in the PPA for that
[23:08] <yofel> not really important for the backports though
[23:09] <yofel> so maybe I can look at merging stuff tomorrow. With you having done the hard part this should be fast
[23:21] <sgclark> yofel:  yes I did, I was actually going to sit down and do a bunch of merges now. I will work in archive
[23:22] <yofel> sgclark: thanks
[23:22] <sgclark> did you do discover? can I mark that done?
[23:22] <yofel> please update staging-plasma as well
[23:22] <yofel> yes, discover is done
[23:22] <sgclark> what do you mean update?
[23:22] <sgclark> put the new packages in staging ppa?
[23:23] <yofel> upload a new package, otherwise the safety check in the archive upload script will fail
[23:23] <sgclark> or make packages and put in ppa?
[23:23] <sgclark> will do
[23:24] <yofel> sgclark: I'll do plasma-desktop btw. as I messed around in that just now
[23:24] <sgclark> yofel: ok
[23:25] <yofel> sgclark: I'll also switch the plasma status page for xenial back on. From what I saw a couple packages have changes in _unstable that won't work with 5.5
[23:26] <sgclark> yofel: ok thanks
[23:32] <nicols> i just noted one strange thing: i cannot resize widgets on desktop? that was working fine in 5.4
[23:34] <yofel> plasma-desktop merge ping-pong done
[23:36] <nicols> i switched to desktop and back to folder view mode, resizing works again ... strange :)
[23:40] <yofel> mitya57: what's a good way to add QML deps these days? Someone reported this: http://i.imgur.com/NkSXcyt.png and while I see that plasma-desktop-data is missing a dep to make the ConfigGeneral.qml work, I don't know how to properly fix the other errors