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clivejoyofel: you still doing mergers?00:11
yofelno, that's not me00:11
yofelthat was the daily auto-merge I think00:11
clivejooh thought I seen some SCM rebuilds00:13
yofelwell, I'm working on stuff, but not explicitely on merges00:13
yofelhm, 31 packages that failed in the archive test rebuild :/00:47
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bshahhumble poke about master -> kubuntu_unstable merge of plasma-discover :)03:47
nicolsplease help: apt stuck :( ... http://pastebin.com/564iJWX604:24
sgclarkbshah: hmm yofel said he did that. and nicols you need to wait for yofel to wake as he was working on discover. I don't expect that to be anytime soon.04:30
bshahsgclark: I see it was merged in kubntu_xenial_archive but not kubuntu_unstable..04:32
sgclarkahh sorry you need to wait for him.04:33
bshahokay, np.. :)04:37
soee_74 MB font related file fonts-noto-cjk all 1:1.004+repack1-1 [74,4 MB] ?06:17
soee_doing updates i had this: fonts-noto-cjk all 1:1.004+repack1-1 [74,4 MB]06:24
soee_/var/cache/apt/archives/kwin-common_4%3a5.5.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_amd64.deb06:24
soee_E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)06:24
soee_bud apt-get -f install fixed it06:24
nicolssoee: http://pastebin.com/564iJWX6 .... someone said to me to wait for yofel :)06:27
soeeyep better do :) i have no problems with discover though06:28
soeeanyone on Plasma 5.5.3 who can test one thing for me ?06:57
nicolsyofel: are you here? i need your help :)10:20
yofelif you mean your paste, I saw it. Will take a bit until I get to it though10:21
soeei need someone on 5.5.3 to verify 2 bugs for me :)10:27
clivejowhy does my panel keep moving on every boot and also why do 4 kate windows automatically load every session?10:34
sittersgclark: if you changelog in unstable you are causing merge conflicts if someone logs changelogs outside of unstable http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_plasma-nm/511/console10:35
nicolsyofel: tnx10:38
nicolsclivejo: i had 4 kate windows on every session start, now i have four11:11
nicolsi noticed that when you close kate, process is still running (you can see it with ps aux | grep kate)11:11
nicolsyofel: do yo need some additional info for that plasma discover dependencies problem? if i can be of any help, just let me konw :)11:14
yofelnicols: no, it's just a file overwrite error, easy to fix. I just don't have time to do an upload right now11:14
nicolsyofel: can i remove this file (/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.kde.muon.repo.policy) manually, and do apt full-upgrade -f  after that? :)11:18
yofelnicols: you can "sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-discover-updater_5.5.3a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa4_amd64.deb"11:24
nicolsplasma-discover-updater depends on libdiscovercommon (= 5.5.3a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa4); however:11:27
nicols  Package libdiscovercommon is not installed.11:27
BluesKajHiyas all11:36
markcis anyone aware of any simple kf5 or qt5 image editor? I just want something to annotate screen snapshots.11:52
soeekrita, mypaint, gimp11:56
sitterkolourpaint!11:56
soeekde4 right ?11:57
sitterprobably11:57
markcboth krita and kolourpaint depend on libqtcore4... may as well install gimp and put up with it's dependencies11:58
sitternot sure what it matters11:59
sitterkolourpaint is simpler to use than gimp though11:59
markcnever heard of mypaint before, but it's gtk/python based by the looks of apt show mypaint11:59
yofelnicols: apt install -f should fix that now that the other error is gone12:06
nicolsyofel: yes. i did that, it's ok now12:07
nicolswhat is the problem with kate? is it plasma related or bug in application?12:13
yofelnicols: you also have kate starting at session start?12:20
yofelor do you mean the does-not-quit12:20
yofelI do remember there being an upstream discussion how the app quitting process was broken in Qt5 which make session restore not work properly12:23
yofelso maybe they over-fixed something?12:23
michelsedghyofel: i have that, i wondered why my kate is opened at startup i have nevery used kate 12:25
michelsedghbut it opened some of my last session apps12:26
yofelit shouldn't start if you never used it. But if you used it once, session restore is on and it never quits you will get it again on the next login12:26
michelsedghhm, weird maybe i have wrongly opened it i dont remember. is there any fix yet?12:27
yofelnot that I know of. You'll have to check upstream12:27
michelsedghok thanks :)12:28
michelsedghand yofel something weird happend, i closed my laptop lid and it went to sleep but after 5-10 seconds it came back from sleep. i understood from the fan sound starting. i tried many times to put it to sleep but no success i had to shut down12:29
yofelnow that's something I saw myself on 16.04 this week. Which release are you on?12:29
michelsedgh16.0412:30
michelsedghi had that before on my old laptop running debian and i thought its my sensors not working well12:30
sheytanyofel: heyo! So, i upgraded to 5.5 as you know and wanted to install muon (pkg manager). It installs and works, but right after the install is finished plasma crashes. Plus, each time i wan to install something else or update, it shows me that moun will be removed.12:36
michelsedghsheytan: anything i build even from the konsole or the built in installer, plasma crashes.12:37
yofelsheytan: until Rick hacks together a muon release that doesn't conflict with discover that won't change. Upstream officially removed 'muon'12:37
yofelthe plasma crash on *update* should be gone though with the latest discover update12:38
michelsedghnot on update, apt-get install or dpkg12:38
clivejoits gone in xenial :/12:38
yofelthat might still trigger a package DB update internally, which is what causes the crash12:38
sheytanyofel: ah, ok. Removed from the main install but they didn't kill the project. Did they?12:38
yofelsheytan: they killed the project (well the *package* manager part, only the app installer is supported). Rick said that he wants to keep it alive as maintainer, but he's been sick and very busy lately so he probably got nothing done on the discover-coinstallability side12:40
michelsedghyofel: http://askubuntu.com/questions/144932/why-does-my-laptop-resume-immediately-after-suspend look at the second comment 12:40
yofelmichelsedgh: what "second comment"? In which answer?12:41
yofelsheytan: you're not the only one that wants to use muon, so we'll try to get it fixed, but it might take a while as it's kind of low-prio12:41
michelsedghsecond answer, adding the two comments on /etc/rc.local12:42
* soee needs better upload speed :<<12:43
yofelmichelsedgh: good if it works for you. Still a bug somewhere if you have to use that. Dunno if kernel or systemd or something else though12:44
nicolsyofel: if open few kate windows and close them normaly, after reboot they are back on session start :)12:45
michelsedghyofel: i havent tried it yet, my konversation will exit so will try later :)12:45
clivejoyeah, Im seeing that too nicols12:45
sheytanyofel: well, actually im using muon onlye because discover doesn't display technical packages as they call it in Ubuntu Software Center12:45
sheytanand i didn't find that checkbox to display those12:45
soeenicols: check System Settings -> Startup & Shutdown if there are any extra entries12:46
nicolsyofel: when i close them, processes don't exit. i can see them eith ps. if i do killall kate, then they don't start on new session12:46
yofelright, file upstream bug. I can't help with that12:46
clivejohummm "last checked 453milliseconds ago"12:46
nicolssoee: no, nothing there12:46
clivejonow thats up to date12:46
yofelsorry if I sound a bit rude. I'm at work and have no time for lenthy discussions right now.12:46
clivejonicols: sounds like a problem with kate no closing correctly#12:47
nicolsclivejo: yes. but i didn't have that problem in 5.412:47
clivejobut it is odd that it suddenly appeared in plasma 5.512:48
soeeguys 2 bugs to confirm on Plasma 5.5.3: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358018 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35800912:48
ubottuKDE bug 358018 in notifier "Updates icon stays visible in systray when all updates were installed" [Normal,Unconfirmed]12:48
ubottuKDE bug 358009 in Task Manager "Task Manager has problems with rendering its items when placed on a panel in different screen adges" [Normal,Unconfirmed]12:48
soeeif you could check and confirm would be cool12:49
yofelas I said, there was a discussion about app quitting behavior recently. So they might have messed with that for 5.512:49
yofelor in FW 5.18 for that matter12:49
clivejonicols: want to add yourself here - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35801913:00
ubottuKDE bug 358019 in Task Manager "Some application wont exit properly" [Normal,Unconfirmed]13:00
sneleclivejo: nicols: I am using manjaro atm (plasma 5.5.3, apps 12.1, frameworks 5.18) and I cannot confirm the bug. kate process is terminated on exit as expected13:30
soeemaybe it has been fixed in apps 15.12.x13:31
nicolsclivejo: i have added a comment on bug 35801913:36
ubottubug 358019 in Ubuntu "After update today sound has stopped working" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35801913:36
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sitterRiddell, shadeslayer, bshah, yofel: ci-tooling has just been imported into pangea-tooling, I'll remove the repo from git.debian when that comes back. it eventually should move to kde or something14:35
yofelsitter: why the import?14:35
sitterbecause git.debian.org is a piece of shit and not reachable half the time14:36
sitterand when it is reachable is slow as fuck14:36
sitterso I am done with it14:36
clivejonicols: installing kate 15.12.0 seems to solve the exiting problem14:38
clivejocan you confirm?14:38
mamarleySpeaking of applications 15.12, the lack of Okular 15.12 and Okular 15.08's dependency on libqca2v5 is blocking all sorts of upgrades.14:40
sitteryofel: jenkins updated and restarting once running builds are done (or so I hope)14:43
clivejowhy is debian git so unreliable of late?14:46
acher88I've tried to clone a few things from debian git in last few months, and half the time it times out and gives up14:49
shadeslayersitter: ack15:06
yofelsitter: well, I am seriously considering moving our stuff to LP. That even seems to have basic webhook support now. Lets see how much longer my fuse holds15:36
ScottKOdd.  I almost never have problems pulling git stuff from alioth.15:53
yofelfor a long time I didn't have either. But esp. recently "git clone" likes to hang for up to a minute before it actually starts cloning. Happens during pulling as well.15:57
yofelIt usually works in the end, but the waits are long enough to be really annoying after a while15:57
* clivejo nods15:59
clivejowhere is alioth localted?15:59
clivejocould it be a cross Atlantic issue?15:59
yofelclivejo: look up moszumanska.debian.org16:03
yofelbritain if I read the traceroute right..16:04
clivejoYork, England Bytemark Limited16:04
clivejobut Ive also noticed LP is slow too16:07
BluesKajhttp://www.ip-tracker.org/locator/ip-lookup.php?ip=moszumanska.debian.org16:08
yofelstill more reliable than moszumanska. But it depends on the data center load, right..16:10
ScottKThey are both on the same island, so that could affect things too.16:27
ScottK(since you aren't)16:27
sgclarksitter: fwiw I have just as many problems with kde git16:33
sgclarkScottK: it has only really been the last week. it it is quite disruptive to workflow as these are quite long outages16:34
ScottKsgclark: IIRC kde git is also in the Canonical data center.16:34
sgclarkah16:34
ScottKThere have been some outages recently.16:35
sgclarkyeah I get several failed jobs from git failure on my ci. so moving there is conunterproductive16:35
sgclarkcounter*16:35
* sgclark goes back to restarting said jobs16:36
_Groo_hi/2 all17:34
lordievadero/17:43
soee_https://stikonas.eu/wordpress/2016/01/15/kde-partition-manager-2-0-0/17:45
_Groo_so im creating a new custom grub2 / plymouth to have some consistency with plasmas 5.5 for kubuntu 16.0419:33
_Groo_i already create a preliminar grub2 : https://goo.gl/photos/mT1u51ZfQyaemTUz919:33
_Groo_and im creating a plymouth theme that shoukld match the start breeze theme from kde19:33
_Groo_never mind the ubuntu logo in the photo, i didnt changed it to kubuntu yet19:34
_Groo_i would like some feedback from you guys19:34
_Groo_would it be hard to make this the default grub theme for kubuntu? does it have to pass through ubuntu core team?19:36
_Groo_same for plymouth19:36
sgclark_Groo_: need to wait and talk to yofel. He is probably still at work20:05
soee_the question is: kubuntu always tried to provide what KDE provides20:18
yofelsgclark: just safely managed to drive home through a snow storm.20:18
soee_and i think next Plasma release will have own plymouth20:18
yofelbut I'm dead tired and have a headache, so won't be doing much20:18
soee_sgclark: can you check one thing for me on Xenial ?20:19
yofel_Groo_: the theme packages are controlled by us, so as long as we don't do this post-feature-freeze, we should be able to upload whatever we want20:19
yofelwill it?20:19
yofelRiddell: any rumors about that? ^20:19
soee_yofel: i think Jonathan prepared it last days20:20
soee_it has KDE logo white20:20
soee_with glowing effect20:21
yofelsoee_: for neon, not sure if that was for the public release. But sharing the base theme with some easy branding options would be nice20:21
soee_ah, ok20:21
yofeland it seems like 2016 is the year of the return of the partitionmanager? ^^20:22
soee_:)20:22
soee_are there any plans to use https://calamares.io/ ?20:23
yofelno20:24
soee_last question can we get plasma-desktop fixed in kubuntu-ci ?20:24
yofelit is a really nice installer, but for us, cost / benefit doesn't match up20:25
soee_i think KaOs orManjaro uses it20:25
yofelas does neon and tanglu. But we already have an installer that's integrated into the distro20:25
yofelwhat's broken with plasma-desktop?20:26
soee_Missing build dependencies: kscreenlocker-dev (>= 5.5.1~), kwin-dev (>= 4:5.5.1~), plasma-workspace-dev (>= 4:5.5.1.1~)20:26
yofelnot me then, if build-deps are missing then that might require fixing a dozen other things20:27
soee_:-)20:27
soee_ok, i wanted to test it with plasma-framework to see if (as suggested here https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358009)it fixes my issue20:28
ubottuKDE bug 358009 in Task Manager "Task Manager has problems with rendering its items when placed on a panel in different screen adges" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme]20:28
sgclarksoee_: which ci? I am afraid I have to work on fixing these merges and things will be bumpy for a few more hours.20:31
* sgclark curses shadeslayer for starting me on the unstable branch for merges lol20:31
sgclarkyofel: do we have a running list of game breaking bugs that need attention for a successul LTS launch?20:32
yofelyes, all Launchpad bugs tagged 'kubuntu' and targeted to a xenial milestone20:33
yofelthat list is linked from qa.kubuntu.co.uk20:34
sgclarkok so to add bugs I just add the target release?20:36
yofelno, in the status bar, at the right end select "Ubuntu ubuntu-16.04" as milestone20:37
yofelit doesn't care what release the bug task belongs to. As bugs without release are by default for the dev release20:37
sgclarkhmm onlu xenial-updates available, guess we missed the window20:39
sgclarkok thanks for the help yofel20:39
yofelo.O20:39
yofelsgclark: what bug?20:39
_Groo_question: can i use just the K for kubuntu in the plymouth theme im creating, or the kubuntu brand is the entire word?20:40
_Groo_i mean,not the K20:40
_Groo_the round thingy in blue similar to ubuntu20:41
yofel_Groo_: the trademark is the whole word, K isn't really much telling - except if you use it with the blue, geared ubuntu logo20:41
sgclarkyofel #145172820:41
yofellp 145172820:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1451728 in ktp-accounts-kcm (Ubuntu Wily) "[master] kde-config-telepathy-accounts package install error" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145172820:41
sgclarkthanks20:41
_Groo_thats the one, can i just use it?20:41
_Groo_instead of the word?20:41
sgclark3 releases now and it is breaking desktops around the world20:41
_Groo_btw20:41
_Groo_sddm kcm is broken in 5.5.3 in landings20:41
yofelsgclark: remilestoned20:41
yofelweird that they don't show up for you20:42
_Groo_the first tab, which has the theme rendering, doesnt render, goes black20:42
yofel_Groo_: as branding? sure20:42
_Groo_if you resize the window, it does show up but you cant interact with that tab20:42
_Groo_so we fix it or remove it from 5.5.320:42
yofelyeah, I've seen that. works fine if start it with kcmshell520:42
yofel*if you20:43
yofelthanks for the reminder20:43
_Groo_yofel: yeah it does, but not inside systemsettings :(20:44
_Groo_yofel: it doesnt render actually, you can trigger the rendering by resizing the systemsettings window, but its defintely broken20:44
_Groo_so can i pursue the plymouth theme? you guys liked the idea of a unified theme across kubuntu? grub2 > plymouth > sddm20:45
_Groo_for sddm, i dont think we need to change anything20:45
yofelnah, that should be a kcm thing20:46
yofelhaven't yet checked if there's an upstream bug20:46
* sgclark screams in frustation20:52
Riddellyofel: I submitted a review for a simple theme but it21:10
Riddellit's getting tangled up in vdg people wanting to make a complex theme (too link to forum on that review)21:10
_Groo_just out of curiosity, did anyone used my zanshin 0.3.1 package for xenial?21:26
_Groo_i just uploaded the package for wily too21:28
_Groo_same ppa21:28
_Groo_https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/peppa/21:28
valorie_Groo_: unless you call for testers, how will people know about it?21:31
valorie_Groo_: have they finally released the kf5 port of zanshin?21:31
_Groo_valorie: no, its 4.x21:31
_Groo_and it was asked in the kubuntu mailing list21:32
_Groo_and i added an entry in trello21:32
_Groo_and i announced it here21:32
_Groo_did i missed anything? :D21:32
_Groo_i moved the card to review now21:35
_Groo_who should i add to the card? i added sgclark originally21:35
_Groo_who takes care of MOTU?21:35
sgclark_Groo_:  we are minus a MOTU person atm, but yofel is lead release manager21:37
_Groo_sgclark: i added yofel and he removed himself from the card, quoting: Removing myself from this for now. This is a MOTU matter as we don't support zanshin ourselves.21:39
* _Groo_ confused21:39
sgclarkoh?21:39
sgclarkwell yeah that would confuse me too. yofel, what needs to be done in the above situation ^^ we somehow need to get these packages in. And we certainly need the help.21:40
_Groo_sgclark: Riddell was the one who asked for packages in the kubuntu ML21:40
sgclark_Groo_: yeah I saw that, and really appreciate you stepping up to do it.21:41
sgclarknow we need to sort out how to proceed..21:41
_Groo_sgclark: well its done, both versions... 21:41
sgclarkok ty21:41
_Groo_sgclark: im in the process of start contributing with backports and the like, but im still struggling with the build stuff21:42
_Groo_sgclark: to be of any use for now21:42
soee_i think Quintasan will help with uploads21:42
_Groo_sgclark: and in parallel im doing the theme stuff21:42
sgclarkcool21:42
_Groo_sgclark: not important i now, but a lot of fun21:42
_Groo_know*21:42
sgclarkI am forever batteling with debian merges21:42
sgclarkwhich is no fun at all21:43
_Groo_sgclark: we are all masochists 21:43
sgclarklol21:44
_Groo_sgclark: my contribution will slow down a little next month because of work *cough cough* lies, its xcom2 release *cough cough*21:46
sgclarklol21:46
_Groo_sgclark: but i expect to at least learn the basics to start fixing broken packages in the pipeline21:46
_Groo_sgclark: im good at that :D21:46
sgclarkcool, all help is appreciated!21:48
soee_http://news.softpedia.com/news/excellent-music-player-clementine-is-getting-a-massive-update-no-indication-of-launch-date-498989.shtml21:48
_Groo_btw, now the plasma-discover-updater doesnt crash plasmashell anymore, but it also doesnt warn of new packages, lol21:48
_Groo_just sits there looking pretty21:48
soee__Groo_: you might want to comment here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35801821:49
ubottuKDE bug 358018 in notifier "Updates icon stays visible in systray when all updates were installed" [Normal,Unconfirmed]21:49
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pierre_Hello everyone, I've read somewhere you need testers for Plasma 5.5.3 on Kubuntu Wily?22:33
sgclarkpierre_: add ppa kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing for wily but a warning that most are gone/leaving for the evening so may not get much help if things go wrong. :)22:39
clivejoeveryone out partying?22:54
sgclarknot that I am aware of, yofel had a headache though so I hope he is resting. I am heading out because I need a break >.<22:59
* sgclark grumbles at ci23:00
valoriepierre_: good to have you testing23:10
valorieI had a good experience so far with 5.5.323:10
valorieexcept that plasma crashes23:10
valoriebut for me it always restarts instantly23:11
pierre_i'll install it tomorrow on my laptop. Is it automatic or are there any manual steps to take (updating from plasma5.4.something)23:13
sgclarkadd-apt-repository -> update -> upgrade23:14
valorieI did have to run sudo apt install -f a few times23:16
valoriethen all was cool, except for those plasma crashes23:16
valorieand I've filed a bug report about that23:17
sgclarkoh yeah right there is an issue with tt fonts23:18
sgclarkvalorie: bug number? I am getting those crashes too in wily23:18
sgclarkquite annoying23:18
valorieoh, let me look23:33
valorie!md523:33
ubottuTo verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows23:33
valoriehttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35800323:38
ubottuKDE bug 358003 in discover "Plasma crashes multiple times when apt is used in the commandline in Kubuntu since plasma 5.5.3" [Crash,Confirmed]23:38
valorieactually, it looks like I didn't file one for the random crashes23:39
valorieI will next time it randomly crashes23:39
valoriesgclark: somewhat offtopic, but I don't think I'll be able to come to SCALE23:40
valoriethis stuff with my dad has escalated23:40
sgclarkok, hope things get better for you /hugs23:45
sgclarkvalorie: ^23:45
valoriethank you23:45
valoriehe's forgetting how to swallow, so his decline is increasing23:46
sgclark:(23:46
valoriewe've called in hospice, so I hope he will be somewhat more comfortable 23:46
valoriehe's 89, which is a good long life, and he's lonely, so I don't think he really wants to stick around23:47
valoriebut somehow that doesn't make it easier23:47
sgclarkyeah I know, just went through that with my aunt23:47
sgclarkvery hard23:48
valorieso weird that both David Bowie and Alan Rickman just died, both of cancer, both 6923:48
valorieand my dad just ticks along at 8923:49
sgclarkyeah, not a good time for celebs :(23:49
valoriefor sure23:49
valoriewhile I was on bko, I closed 3 of my old bug reports23:57
valorieI swear I remember filing more bugs23:57

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