[00:11] <clivejo> yofel: you still doing mergers?
[00:11] <yofel> no, that's not me
[00:11] <yofel> that was the daily auto-merge I think
[00:13] <clivejo> oh thought I seen some SCM rebuilds
[00:13] <yofel> well, I'm working on stuff, but not explicitely on merges
[00:47] <yofel> hm, 31 packages that failed in the archive test rebuild :/
[03:47] <bshah> humble poke about master -> kubuntu_unstable merge of plasma-discover :)
[04:24] <nicols> please help: apt stuck :( ... http://pastebin.com/564iJWX6
[04:30] <sgclark> bshah: hmm yofel said he did that. and nicols you need to wait for yofel to wake as he was working on discover. I don't expect that to be anytime soon.
[04:32] <bshah> sgclark: I see it was merged in kubntu_xenial_archive but not kubuntu_unstable..
[04:33] <sgclark> ahh sorry you need to wait for him.
[04:37] <bshah> okay, np.. :)
[06:17] <soee_> 74 MB font related file fonts-noto-cjk all 1:1.004+repack1-1 [74,4 MB] ?
[06:24] <soee_> doing updates i had this: fonts-noto-cjk all 1:1.004+repack1-1 [74,4 MB]
[06:24] <soee_> /var/cache/apt/archives/kwin-common_4%3a5.5.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_amd64.deb
[06:24] <soee_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:24] <soee_> bud apt-get -f install fixed it
[06:27] <nicols> soee: http://pastebin.com/564iJWX6 .... someone said to me to wait for yofel :)
[06:28] <soee> yep better do :) i have no problems with discover though
[06:57] <soee> anyone on Plasma 5.5.3 who can test one thing for me ?
[10:20] <nicols> yofel: are you here? i need your help :)
[10:21] <yofel> if you mean your paste, I saw it. Will take a bit until I get to it though
[10:27] <soee> i need someone on 5.5.3 to verify 2 bugs for me :)
[10:34] <clivejo> why does my panel keep moving on every boot and also why do 4 kate windows automatically load every session?
[10:35] <sitter> sgclark: if you changelog in unstable you are causing merge conflicts if someone logs changelogs outside of unstable http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_plasma-nm/511/console
[10:38] <nicols> yofel: tnx
[11:11] <nicols> clivejo: i had 4 kate windows on every session start, now i have four
[11:11] <nicols> i noticed that when you close kate, process is still running (you can see it with ps aux | grep kate)
[11:14] <nicols> yofel: do yo need some additional info for that plasma discover dependencies problem? if i can be of any help, just let me konw :)
[11:14] <yofel> nicols: no, it's just a file overwrite error, easy to fix. I just don't have time to do an upload right now
[11:18] <nicols> yofel: can i remove this file (/usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.kde.muon.repo.policy) manually, and do apt full-upgrade -f  after that? :)
[11:24] <yofel> nicols: you can "sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-discover-updater_5.5.3a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa4_amd64.deb"
[11:27] <nicols> plasma-discover-updater depends on libdiscovercommon (= 5.5.3a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa4); however:
[11:27] <nicols>   Package libdiscovercommon is not installed.
[11:36] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:52] <markc> is anyone aware of any simple kf5 or qt5 image editor? I just want something to annotate screen snapshots.
[11:56] <soee> krita, mypaint, gimp
[11:56] <sitter> kolourpaint!
[11:57] <soee> kde4 right ?
[11:57] <sitter> probably
[11:58] <markc> both krita and kolourpaint depend on libqtcore4... may as well install gimp and put up with it's dependencies
[11:59] <sitter> not sure what it matters
[11:59] <sitter> kolourpaint is simpler to use than gimp though
[11:59] <markc> never heard of mypaint before, but it's gtk/python based by the looks of apt show mypaint
[12:06] <yofel> nicols: apt install -f should fix that now that the other error is gone
[12:07] <nicols> yofel: yes. i did that, it's ok now
[12:13] <nicols> what is the problem with kate? is it plasma related or bug in application?
[12:20] <yofel> nicols: you also have kate starting at session start?
[12:20] <yofel> or do you mean the does-not-quit
[12:23] <yofel> I do remember there being an upstream discussion how the app quitting process was broken in Qt5 which make session restore not work properly
[12:23] <yofel> so maybe they over-fixed something?
[12:25] <michelsedgh> yofel: i have that, i wondered why my kate is opened at startup i have nevery used kate 
[12:26] <michelsedgh> but it opened some of my last session apps
[12:26] <yofel> it shouldn't start if you never used it. But if you used it once, session restore is on and it never quits you will get it again on the next login
[12:27] <michelsedgh> hm, weird maybe i have wrongly opened it i dont remember. is there any fix yet?
[12:27] <yofel> not that I know of. You'll have to check upstream
[12:28] <michelsedgh> ok thanks :)
[12:29] <michelsedgh> and yofel something weird happend, i closed my laptop lid and it went to sleep but after 5-10 seconds it came back from sleep. i understood from the fan sound starting. i tried many times to put it to sleep but no success i had to shut down
[12:29] <yofel> now that's something I saw myself on 16.04 this week. Which release are you on?
[12:30] <michelsedgh> 16.04
[12:30] <michelsedgh> i had that before on my old laptop running debian and i thought its my sensors not working well
[12:36] <sheytan> yofel: heyo! So, i upgraded to 5.5 as you know and wanted to install muon (pkg manager). It installs and works, but right after the install is finished plasma crashes. Plus, each time i wan to install something else or update, it shows me that moun will be removed.
[12:37] <michelsedgh> sheytan: anything i build even from the konsole or the built in installer, plasma crashes.
[12:37] <yofel> sheytan: until Rick hacks together a muon release that doesn't conflict with discover that won't change. Upstream officially removed 'muon'
[12:38] <yofel> the plasma crash on *update* should be gone though with the latest discover update
[12:38] <michelsedgh> not on update, apt-get install or dpkg
[12:38] <clivejo> its gone in xenial :/
[12:38] <yofel> that might still trigger a package DB update internally, which is what causes the crash
[12:38] <sheytan> yofel: ah, ok. Removed from the main install but they didn't kill the project. Did they?
[12:40] <yofel> sheytan: they killed the project (well the *package* manager part, only the app installer is supported). Rick said that he wants to keep it alive as maintainer, but he's been sick and very busy lately so he probably got nothing done on the discover-coinstallability side
[12:40] <michelsedgh> yofel: http://askubuntu.com/questions/144932/why-does-my-laptop-resume-immediately-after-suspend look at the second comment 
[12:41] <yofel> michelsedgh: what "second comment"? In which answer?
[12:41] <yofel> sheytan: you're not the only one that wants to use muon, so we'll try to get it fixed, but it might take a while as it's kind of low-prio
[12:42] <michelsedgh> second answer, adding the two comments on /etc/rc.local
[12:43]  * soee needs better upload speed :<<
[12:44] <yofel> michelsedgh: good if it works for you. Still a bug somewhere if you have to use that. Dunno if kernel or systemd or something else though
[12:45] <nicols> yofel: if open few kate windows and close them normaly, after reboot they are back on session start :)
[12:45] <michelsedgh> yofel: i havent tried it yet, my konversation will exit so will try later :)
[12:45] <clivejo> yeah, Im seeing that too nicols
[12:45] <sheytan> yofel: well, actually im using muon onlye because discover doesn't display technical packages as they call it in Ubuntu Software Center
[12:45] <sheytan> and i didn't find that checkbox to display those
[12:46] <soee> nicols: check System Settings -> Startup & Shutdown if there are any extra entries
[12:46] <nicols> yofel: when i close them, processes don't exit. i can see them eith ps. if i do killall kate, then they don't start on new session
[12:46] <yofel> right, file upstream bug. I can't help with that
[12:46] <clivejo> hummm "last checked 453milliseconds ago"
[12:46] <nicols> soee: no, nothing there
[12:46] <clivejo> now thats up to date
[12:46] <yofel> sorry if I sound a bit rude. I'm at work and have no time for lenthy discussions right now.
[12:47] <clivejo> nicols: sounds like a problem with kate no closing correctly#
[12:47] <nicols> clivejo: yes. but i didn't have that problem in 5.4
[12:48] <clivejo> but it is odd that it suddenly appeared in plasma 5.5
[12:48] <soee> guys 2 bugs to confirm on Plasma 5.5.3: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358018 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358009
[12:49] <soee> if you could check and confirm would be cool
[12:49] <yofel> as I said, there was a discussion about app quitting behavior recently. So they might have messed with that for 5.5
[12:49] <yofel> or in FW 5.18 for that matter
[13:00] <clivejo> nicols: want to add yourself here - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358019
[13:30] <snele> clivejo: nicols: I am using manjaro atm (plasma 5.5.3, apps 12.1, frameworks 5.18) and I cannot confirm the bug. kate process is terminated on exit as expected
[13:31] <soee> maybe it has been fixed in apps 15.12.x
[13:36] <nicols> clivejo: i have added a comment on bug 358019
[14:35] <sitter> Riddell, shadeslayer, bshah, yofel: ci-tooling has just been imported into pangea-tooling, I'll remove the repo from git.debian when that comes back. it eventually should move to kde or something
[14:35] <yofel> sitter: why the import?
[14:36] <sitter> because git.debian.org is a piece of shit and not reachable half the time
[14:36] <sitter> and when it is reachable is slow as fuck
[14:36] <sitter> so I am done with it
[14:38] <clivejo> nicols: installing kate 15.12.0 seems to solve the exiting problem
[14:38] <clivejo> can you confirm?
[14:40] <mamarley> Speaking of applications 15.12, the lack of Okular 15.12 and Okular 15.08's dependency on libqca2v5 is blocking all sorts of upgrades.
[14:43] <sitter> yofel: jenkins updated and restarting once running builds are done (or so I hope)
[14:46] <clivejo> why is debian git so unreliable of late?
[14:49] <acher88> I've tried to clone a few things from debian git in last few months, and half the time it times out and gives up
[15:06] <shadeslayer> sitter: ack
[15:36] <yofel> sitter: well, I am seriously considering moving our stuff to LP. That even seems to have basic webhook support now. Lets see how much longer my fuse holds
[15:53] <ScottK> Odd.  I almost never have problems pulling git stuff from alioth.
[15:57] <yofel> for a long time I didn't have either. But esp. recently "git clone" likes to hang for up to a minute before it actually starts cloning. Happens during pulling as well.
[15:57] <yofel> It usually works in the end, but the waits are long enough to be really annoying after a while
[15:59]  * clivejo nods
[15:59] <clivejo> where is alioth localted?
[15:59] <clivejo> could it be a cross Atlantic issue?
[16:03] <yofel> clivejo: look up moszumanska.debian.org
[16:04] <yofel> britain if I read the traceroute right..
[16:04] <clivejo> York, England Bytemark Limited
[16:07] <clivejo> but Ive also noticed LP is slow too
[16:08] <BluesKaj> http://www.ip-tracker.org/locator/ip-lookup.php?ip=moszumanska.debian.org
[16:10] <yofel> still more reliable than moszumanska. But it depends on the data center load, right..
[16:27] <ScottK> They are both on the same island, so that could affect things too.
[16:27] <ScottK> (since you aren't)
[16:33] <sgclark> sitter: fwiw I have just as many problems with kde git
[16:34] <sgclark> ScottK: it has only really been the last week. it it is quite disruptive to workflow as these are quite long outages
[16:34] <ScottK> sgclark: IIRC kde git is also in the Canonical data center.
[16:34] <sgclark> ah
[16:35] <ScottK> There have been some outages recently.
[16:35] <sgclark> yeah I get several failed jobs from git failure on my ci. so moving there is conunterproductive
[16:35] <sgclark> counter*
[16:36]  * sgclark goes back to restarting said jobs
[17:34] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[17:43] <lordievader> o/
[17:45] <soee_> https://stikonas.eu/wordpress/2016/01/15/kde-partition-manager-2-0-0/
[19:33] <_Groo_> so im creating a new custom grub2 / plymouth to have some consistency with plasmas 5.5 for kubuntu 16.04
[19:33] <_Groo_> i already create a preliminar grub2 : https://goo.gl/photos/mT1u51ZfQyaemTUz9
[19:33] <_Groo_> and im creating a plymouth theme that shoukld match the start breeze theme from kde
[19:34] <_Groo_> never mind the ubuntu logo in the photo, i didnt changed it to kubuntu yet
[19:34] <_Groo_> i would like some feedback from you guys
[19:36] <_Groo_> would it be hard to make this the default grub theme for kubuntu? does it have to pass through ubuntu core team?
[19:36] <_Groo_> same for plymouth
[20:05] <sgclark> _Groo_: need to wait and talk to yofel. He is probably still at work
[20:18] <soee_> the question is: kubuntu always tried to provide what KDE provides
[20:18] <yofel> sgclark: just safely managed to drive home through a snow storm.
[20:18] <soee_> and i think next Plasma release will have own plymouth
[20:18] <yofel> but I'm dead tired and have a headache, so won't be doing much
[20:19] <soee_> sgclark: can you check one thing for me on Xenial ?
[20:19] <yofel> _Groo_: the theme packages are controlled by us, so as long as we don't do this post-feature-freeze, we should be able to upload whatever we want
[20:19] <yofel> will it?
[20:19] <yofel> Riddell: any rumors about that? ^
[20:20] <soee_> yofel: i think Jonathan prepared it last days
[20:20] <soee_> it has KDE logo white
[20:21] <soee_> with glowing effect
[20:21] <yofel> soee_: for neon, not sure if that was for the public release. But sharing the base theme with some easy branding options would be nice
[20:21] <soee_> ah, ok
[20:22] <yofel> and it seems like 2016 is the year of the return of the partitionmanager? ^^
[20:22] <soee_> :)
[20:23] <soee_> are there any plans to use https://calamares.io/ ?
[20:24] <yofel> no
[20:24] <soee_> last question can we get plasma-desktop fixed in kubuntu-ci ?
[20:25] <yofel> it is a really nice installer, but for us, cost / benefit doesn't match up
[20:25] <soee_> i think KaOs orManjaro uses it
[20:25] <yofel> as does neon and tanglu. But we already have an installer that's integrated into the distro
[20:26] <yofel> what's broken with plasma-desktop?
[20:26] <soee_> Missing build dependencies: kscreenlocker-dev (>= 5.5.1~), kwin-dev (>= 4:5.5.1~), plasma-workspace-dev (>= 4:5.5.1.1~)
[20:27] <yofel> not me then, if build-deps are missing then that might require fixing a dozen other things
[20:27] <soee_> :-)
[20:28] <soee_> ok, i wanted to test it with plasma-framework to see if (as suggested here https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358009)it fixes my issue
[20:31] <sgclark> soee_: which ci? I am afraid I have to work on fixing these merges and things will be bumpy for a few more hours.
[20:31]  * sgclark curses shadeslayer for starting me on the unstable branch for merges lol
[20:32] <sgclark> yofel: do we have a running list of game breaking bugs that need attention for a successul LTS launch?
[20:33] <yofel> yes, all Launchpad bugs tagged 'kubuntu' and targeted to a xenial milestone
[20:34] <yofel> that list is linked from qa.kubuntu.co.uk
[20:36] <sgclark> ok so to add bugs I just add the target release?
[20:37] <yofel> no, in the status bar, at the right end select "Ubuntu ubuntu-16.04" as milestone
[20:37] <yofel> it doesn't care what release the bug task belongs to. As bugs without release are by default for the dev release
[20:39] <sgclark> hmm onlu xenial-updates available, guess we missed the window
[20:39] <sgclark> ok thanks for the help yofel
[20:39] <yofel> o.O
[20:39] <yofel> sgclark: what bug?
[20:40] <_Groo_> question: can i use just the K for kubuntu in the plymouth theme im creating, or the kubuntu brand is the entire word?
[20:40] <_Groo_> i mean,not the K
[20:41] <_Groo_> the round thingy in blue similar to ubuntu
[20:41] <yofel> _Groo_: the trademark is the whole word, K isn't really much telling - except if you use it with the blue, geared ubuntu logo
[20:41] <sgclark> yofel #1451728
[20:41] <yofel> lp 1451728
[20:41] <sgclark> thanks
[20:41] <_Groo_> thats the one, can i just use it?
[20:41] <_Groo_> instead of the word?
[20:41] <sgclark> 3 releases now and it is breaking desktops around the world
[20:41] <_Groo_> btw
[20:41] <_Groo_> sddm kcm is broken in 5.5.3 in landings
[20:41] <yofel> sgclark: remilestoned
[20:42] <yofel> weird that they don't show up for you
[20:42] <_Groo_> the first tab, which has the theme rendering, doesnt render, goes black
[20:42] <yofel> _Groo_: as branding? sure
[20:42] <_Groo_> if you resize the window, it does show up but you cant interact with that tab
[20:42] <_Groo_> so we fix it or remove it from 5.5.3
[20:42] <yofel> yeah, I've seen that. works fine if start it with kcmshell5
[20:43] <yofel> *if you
[20:43] <yofel> thanks for the reminder
[20:44] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah it does, but not inside systemsettings :(
[20:44] <_Groo_> yofel: it doesnt render actually, you can trigger the rendering by resizing the systemsettings window, but its defintely broken
[20:45] <_Groo_> so can i pursue the plymouth theme? you guys liked the idea of a unified theme across kubuntu? grub2 > plymouth > sddm
[20:45] <_Groo_> for sddm, i dont think we need to change anything
[20:46] <yofel> nah, that should be a kcm thing
[20:46] <yofel> haven't yet checked if there's an upstream bug
[20:52]  * sgclark screams in frustation
[21:10] <Riddell> yofel: I submitted a review for a simple theme but it
[21:10] <Riddell> it's getting tangled up in vdg people wanting to make a complex theme (too link to forum on that review)
[21:26] <_Groo_> just out of curiosity, did anyone used my zanshin 0.3.1 package for xenial?
[21:28] <_Groo_> i just uploaded the package for wily too
[21:28] <_Groo_> same ppa
[21:28] <_Groo_> https://launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+archive/ubuntu/peppa/
[21:31] <valorie> _Groo_: unless you call for testers, how will people know about it?
[21:31] <valorie> _Groo_: have they finally released the kf5 port of zanshin?
[21:31] <_Groo_> valorie: no, its 4.x
[21:32] <_Groo_> and it was asked in the kubuntu mailing list
[21:32] <_Groo_> and i added an entry in trello
[21:32] <_Groo_> and i announced it here
[21:32] <_Groo_> did i missed anything? :D
[21:35] <_Groo_> i moved the card to review now
[21:35] <_Groo_> who should i add to the card? i added sgclark originally
[21:35] <_Groo_> who takes care of MOTU?
[21:37] <sgclark> _Groo_:  we are minus a MOTU person atm, but yofel is lead release manager
[21:39] <_Groo_> sgclark: i added yofel and he removed himself from the card, quoting: Removing myself from this for now. This is a MOTU matter as we don't support zanshin ourselves.
[21:39]  * _Groo_ confused
[21:39] <sgclark> oh?
[21:40] <sgclark> well yeah that would confuse me too. yofel, what needs to be done in the above situation ^^ we somehow need to get these packages in. And we certainly need the help.
[21:40] <_Groo_> sgclark: Riddell was the one who asked for packages in the kubuntu ML
[21:41] <sgclark> _Groo_: yeah I saw that, and really appreciate you stepping up to do it.
[21:41] <sgclark> now we need to sort out how to proceed..
[21:41] <_Groo_> sgclark: well its done, both versions... 
[21:41] <sgclark> ok ty
[21:42] <_Groo_> sgclark: im in the process of start contributing with backports and the like, but im still struggling with the build stuff
[21:42] <_Groo_> sgclark: to be of any use for now
[21:42] <soee_> i think Quintasan will help with uploads
[21:42] <_Groo_> sgclark: and in parallel im doing the theme stuff
[21:42] <sgclark> cool
[21:42] <_Groo_> sgclark: not important i now, but a lot of fun
[21:42] <_Groo_> know*
[21:42] <sgclark> I am forever batteling with debian merges
[21:43] <sgclark> which is no fun at all
[21:43] <_Groo_> sgclark: we are all masochists 
[21:44] <sgclark> lol
[21:46] <_Groo_> sgclark: my contribution will slow down a little next month because of work *cough cough* lies, its xcom2 release *cough cough*
[21:46] <sgclark> lol
[21:46] <_Groo_> sgclark: but i expect to at least learn the basics to start fixing broken packages in the pipeline
[21:46] <_Groo_> sgclark: im good at that :D
[21:48] <sgclark> cool, all help is appreciated!
[21:48] <soee_> http://news.softpedia.com/news/excellent-music-player-clementine-is-getting-a-massive-update-no-indication-of-launch-date-498989.shtml
[21:48] <_Groo_> btw, now the plasma-discover-updater doesnt crash plasmashell anymore, but it also doesnt warn of new packages, lol
[21:48] <_Groo_> just sits there looking pretty
[21:49] <soee_> _Groo_: you might want to comment here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358018
[22:33] <pierre_> Hello everyone, I've read somewhere you need testers for Plasma 5.5.3 on Kubuntu Wily?
[22:39] <sgclark> pierre_: add ppa kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing for wily but a warning that most are gone/leaving for the evening so may not get much help if things go wrong. :)
[22:54] <clivejo> everyone out partying?
[22:59] <sgclark> not that I am aware of, yofel had a headache though so I hope he is resting. I am heading out because I need a break >.<
[23:00]  * sgclark grumbles at ci
[23:10] <valorie> pierre_: good to have you testing
[23:10] <valorie> I had a good experience so far with 5.5.3
[23:10] <valorie> except that plasma crashes
[23:11] <valorie> but for me it always restarts instantly
[23:13] <pierre_> i'll install it tomorrow on my laptop. Is it automatic or are there any manual steps to take (updating from plasma5.4.something)
[23:14] <sgclark> add-apt-repository -> update -> upgrade
[23:16] <valorie> I did have to run sudo apt install -f a few times
[23:16] <valorie> then all was cool, except for those plasma crashes
[23:17] <valorie> and I've filed a bug report about that
[23:18] <sgclark> oh yeah right there is an issue with tt fonts
[23:18] <sgclark> valorie: bug number? I am getting those crashes too in wily
[23:18] <sgclark> quite annoying
[23:33] <valorie> oh, let me look
[23:33] <valorie> !md5
[23:38] <valorie> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358003
[23:39] <valorie> actually, it looks like I didn't file one for the random crashes
[23:39] <valorie> I will next time it randomly crashes
[23:40] <valorie> sgclark: somewhat offtopic, but I don't think I'll be able to come to SCALE
[23:40] <valorie> this stuff with my dad has escalated
[23:45] <sgclark> ok, hope things get better for you /hugs
[23:45] <sgclark> valorie: ^
[23:45] <valorie> thank you
[23:46] <valorie> he's forgetting how to swallow, so his decline is increasing
[23:46] <sgclark> :(
[23:46] <valorie> we've called in hospice, so I hope he will be somewhat more comfortable 
[23:47] <valorie> he's 89, which is a good long life, and he's lonely, so I don't think he really wants to stick around
[23:47] <valorie> but somehow that doesn't make it easier
[23:47] <sgclark> yeah I know, just went through that with my aunt
[23:48] <sgclark> very hard
[23:48] <valorie> so weird that both David Bowie and Alan Rickman just died, both of cancer, both 69
[23:49] <valorie> and my dad just ticks along at 89
[23:49] <sgclark> yeah, not a good time for celebs :(
[23:49] <valorie> for sure
[23:57] <valorie> while I was on bko, I closed 3 of my old bug reports
[23:57] <valorie> I swear I remember filing more bugs