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SouravRavishhi09:28
knomeMatthewAllen, replied to you with another wall of text in the task...13:54
knomethe 1000 character limitation is just silly :P13:54
MatthewAllenknome, so your thinking for the submission form a sort of button that follows up and down the page on the right hand side that slides out when clicked?13:55
knomewell i was imagining it as a 100% tall panel13:56
knomewhich would be, say 50px wide when hidden13:56
knomeand when you open it, it would open the whole form13:56
knomewhether it should overlap data or not, i'm not sure13:56
knomealso, we start to approach the territory where you'd more or less need to see stuff in action to know how well it works :)13:59
knomebtw, how are you creating those mockups ATM? do you have some HTML which you are styling with CSS, or are you just working with an image editing software?14:00
MatthewAllenknome, photoshop atm14:00
MatthewAllenI have decent experience with HTML and CSS so it shouldn't be a huge issue to try implementing some stuff14:00
knomeright, then it's not a completely trivial task to make that a "live" mockup14:00
knomemhm, and if you run into problems, i can help with that too14:01
MatthewAllenknome, would something such as this be right for the tab? http://i.imgur.com/MOwGWQy.png14:01
knomeyeah, something like that14:01
MatthewAllenknome, just wondering where this task ends? When you're happy with the mockup? Or when stuffs actually getting implemented?14:03
knomei still don't know exactly what balloons had in mind, but as he said: "when the mockup is ready to be implemented"14:03
knomeso i guess he would like to see how the different parts would look like14:03
knomefor the text spacing issue, i'm fine now14:03
knomefor the menu, well, you could do one more attempt14:04
MatthewAllenknome, with the results table would implementing it across the full height of the page not leave a bunch of whitespace?14:04
knomenot if it was overlaid on top of the other content14:04
knome(technically, position: fixed;)14:05
knomecoffee break now, i'm back after that and free for more discussion :)14:11
MatthewAllenHow do you feel about something like this? http://i.imgur.com/vQHg3FC.png14:19
MatthewAllenknome, ^14:56
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MatthewAllenknome, also tried to address your Navigation comments - see here http://i.imgur.com/DxeMAwQ.png15:02
knomeMatthewAllen, i think the first solution is a bit weird... how would the dialog extend from that position?15:19
MatthewAllenas in extending from the side of the page?15:20
MatthewAllennot exactly sure :/15:21
knomere: navigation, that's better :)15:21
knomei'll do a quick and dirty HTML mockup for you for the panel i was thinking about...15:21
MatthewAllenok, cheers :)15:22
knomeMatthewAllen, so as i said, quick and dirty... http://temp.knome.fi/googlecodein/panel-mockup/15:32
MatthewAllenknome, oohhh - I understand now15:33
MatthewAllenI was a bit confused before as you clearly worked out15:33
knomewell, i probably could have been more clear ;)15:33
knomeso this both won't take space when not open15:33
knomebut also follows the user, so regardless where they are in the page, they can quickly access the panel15:34
knomein the final implementation one can also make sure this appears at the top of the page if no JS is enabled15:34
knomeso it's not obtrusive either15:34
MatthewAllenmmk, will change my mock up to be in the fashion and let you have another look15:35
knomesure :)15:35
knomeand fwiw, i think a working draft like mine there is something balloons is looking for in the next task :)15:35
knome(it doesn't need to be perfect either)15:35
MatthewAllenare you thinking the side bar should simply have little arrow markers like yours, or actually have text so it's clear for the user?15:35
knomethat's up to you15:36
knomethis was just the easiest thing i could think of in the 5 minutes i set that up15:36
knomeor 10, it looks15:36
knomeand of course, in the final implementation, you'd need to make sure if the panel won't fit in the window vertically, you'll need to add some scrollbars15:38
knomemy mockup isn't doing anything like that, neither is it making sure the arrow and text on the panel look good when the window isn't tall15:38
knome(they don't)15:38
MatthewAllenI'm sure when the final implementation occurs you'll be having a look along the way, to make sure it's being done propely :)15:38
knomemhm, at least considering i have the time15:39
knomebut i should have at least some time...15:39
knomeand this is not something i imagine we'll have ready for production before the contest ends anyway15:39
MatthewAllenI'd very much doubt that15:39
MatthewAllenI intend to keep working especially with the QA-Website after the competition ends anyway15:40
knomewith 10 highly trained code monkeys and same amount of UI monkeys working full time on this... maybe ;)15:40
knomegreat!15:40
knomenice to see people getting involved not just for the contest period :)15:40
MatthewAllenonly thing is once school goes back I'll have a lot less time free15:41
knomeyou know, "$other_thing is taking my time" is quite normal in FOSS development :D15:41
MatthewAllenthat's the luck I've had for this competition, I've had school holidays the entire time15:42
knome...unless you are paid to do it, in which case you are still probably swamped with work on different tasks15:42
MatthewAllenAustralian school holidays line up really will with Google CodeIn15:42
knomemhm, it's unfortunate that canonical holidays did too15:42
McIntireEvanHaha yeah, I have exams over this week and I've had school most of the competition, my school times suck with GCI, but eh, it's life15:42
McIntireEvanNext year if I'm a mentor my college break times should match up super well though, which is good15:43
MatthewAllenguess it all depends on country, you in the US or somewhere else?15:43
McIntireEvanYup, US15:43
MatthewAllenahh, only issue for me is the time zones15:43
knomeMatthewAllen, btw, if you potentially have some "free time" for more tasks before the contest ends, i might have one for you15:43
knomeMatthewAllen, or at least, one that might be of interest for you15:44
knomebut it's not published yet15:44
MatthewAllenknome, feel free to tell me - I've been spending a bunch of free time fixing some QA-Tracker bugs15:44
knomeMatthewAllen, basically i've created this wordpress theme for ubuntu community teams to use -> https://github.com/knomepasi/ubuntu-community-wordpress-theme/15:44
knomeMatthewAllen, i don't know exactly what the task would be, but it would be something along the lines of "test, try to break it, give feedback, and file bugs"15:44
knomeand obviously it would involve setting up a wordpress installation somewhere :)15:45
MatthewAllenI'd be keen to check that out :)15:45
knome(and regardless of whether it will be a task or not, all feedback and help with the theme is welcome915:45
MatthewAllenFrom playing around I feel having text in the sidebar looks  a bit stupid, so I'd implement it similarly to yours - http://i.imgur.com/cndaOUL.png15:45
knomeyeah, maybe one could add a link in the content area that said "Report ..."15:46
knomewhich would then open the panel15:46
knomeand the panel could totally have a tooltip too15:46
MatthewAllenI could probally put it in the Notice Board sectio, or in the nav bar under testing tracker15:47
knomefor that, we'd likely need feedback from people who will end up using the tracker15:47
knomeas i see it, since that's the number one thing we want people to do on that page, it could be on a few places15:47
knomefor example, above bugs to look for and below the test reports15:47
knomebut i would say that's more or less minutiae - people who use the tracker will tell where they would look for that link15:48
MatthewAllenI guess once they've used it once though, and know of the changes it wont be a huge issue anymore15:49
knomewe still have to account for new testers, it has to be intuitive and easy for them as well15:50
MatthewAllenI've added it under the notice board section and at the bottom of the reported bugs section - http://i.imgur.com/UJ2kxF5.png15:53
knomemm, putting it on the table is not a bad idea at all15:55
MatthewAllenit's pretty hard to miss15:55
knomemaybe that needs some tweaking (i always feel the ubuntu orange all over the place is too much)15:55
knomebut yeah, i can see where this is going, and i'm happy with that15:56
MatthewAllenI'd probally agree with that, any ideas?15:56
knomehttp://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette15:56
knomesee for "Tints"15:56
knomecould use something like 40%15:56
knomeand i would probably argue that the button should be printed with a different color from the table header15:57
knomebut again, that's minutiae15:57
MatthewAllenso where are you saying I should use the 40% as opossed to the full?15:57
knomeusing that instead of the 100% color in all of the table headers etc. would totally make the page easier on the eyes15:58
MatthewAllenwill have a look at that now15:58
knomebut would still stand out enough15:58
knomeand you can try the page with the warm greys they list on the page too15:59
knomei'm personally a huge fan of the background color (too dark for me), but others might disagree15:59
MatthewAllenas in the background on the tables? or the page itself?16:00
knomethe whole page16:00
MatthewAllendo you have an issue with it being a gradient, or just want it to be lighter?16:00
knomewhen you change the page background, you likely have to tweak the tables too16:00
knomegradient is not a problem16:00
knomethe top just feels too dark16:01
MatthewAllenhttp://i.imgur.com/L2VnPDr.png16:02
MatthewAllenShould I leave the nav and sidebar as Ubuntu Orange, or fade them aswell?16:03
MatthewAllenAlso - background ok? Lighterned it up16:03
knomenav and panel are ok (though you'll likely want to make sure the panel bg isn't that bright when there's text on it)16:05
knomethe bg is also better, but as i guessed, the tables look a bit dark related to that now (and the light hue of the orange too)16:05
MatthewAllenthat's what I was thinking, going to lighten them up with the color pallete you linked me16:06
knomeyup16:06
knomeas you probably see, the balance of the whole page is slowly getting there too16:06
MatthewAllenthanks for the help in getting in improved :)16:08
knomeno problem16:08
MatthewAllenhttp://i.imgur.com/2TQkftu.png16:08
knomeyeah, much better16:09
knomethough the checkered look is a bit weird16:09
knomeat the product column16:09
MatthewAllenhmm, that's because I'm using 2 colors on opposites16:09
MatthewAllenWould you rather have 4 diffrent?16:10
MatthewAllenso there's no checker16:10
knomei think it would be simply fine to drop the special handling for the last column16:10
knomejust have two colors for the alternate rows16:10
MatthewAllenmmk16:10
knomei don't know if this is too little contrast for those who might have problems with eyesight16:11
knomeoff again, will be back later16:13
MatthewAllenknome, beyond that is there anything else major that I need to change? Or just implement the add a bug form?16:14
knomehmm, from my point of view, i think we are pretty close for being ready for this task16:15
knomei would ask balloons if he has anything16:15
knome(and i guess i just did... ;))16:15
MatthewAllenI talked to him before, and he's pretty much saying it's up to you16:15
knomeaha16:15
knomethen once you're done tweaking, send the latest mockup to the task again, and i'll look at it once more, and most likely approve16:15
knomethanks!16:16
MatthewAllenawesome, thankyou very much16:16
knomebut now, actually off ->16:16
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fazerelopio, can you approve my task on GCI please?23:44
elopiofazer: done. Thank you.23:46
fazerNo problem. Thank you.23:46
elopioI've increased the count on the task so we can get more work to get to full coverage.23:47
elopiofazer: a low hanging fruit would be to do the same to cover the the bzr line.23:47
fazerelopio, yeah I was going to do that. But it won't let me reclaim the task. Can you change something on your side so I can do it multiple times?23:48
fazerwhat do you mean you've increased the count on the task?23:49
elopiofazer: I don't know what to do to let you reclaim it.23:50
fazerhmmm.. ok. balloons, any idea? ^^23:51
elopiomaybe this is not how it works, and I should add a new task.23:51
fazerNo, I've seen some tasks that can be claimed as many times as they want by the same person.23:52

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