[09:28] <SouravRavish> hi
[13:54] <knome> MatthewAllen, replied to you with another wall of text in the task...
[13:54] <knome> the 1000 character limitation is just silly :P
[13:55] <MatthewAllen> knome, so your thinking for the submission form a sort of button that follows up and down the page on the right hand side that slides out when clicked?
[13:56] <knome> well i was imagining it as a 100% tall panel
[13:56] <knome> which would be, say 50px wide when hidden
[13:56] <knome> and when you open it, it would open the whole form
[13:56] <knome> whether it should overlap data or not, i'm not sure
[13:59] <knome> also, we start to approach the territory where you'd more or less need to see stuff in action to know how well it works :)
[14:00] <knome> btw, how are you creating those mockups ATM? do you have some HTML which you are styling with CSS, or are you just working with an image editing software?
[14:00] <MatthewAllen> knome, photoshop atm
[14:00] <MatthewAllen> I have decent experience with HTML and CSS so it shouldn't be a huge issue to try implementing some stuff
[14:00] <knome> right, then it's not a completely trivial task to make that a "live" mockup
[14:01] <knome> mhm, and if you run into problems, i can help with that too
[14:01] <MatthewAllen> knome, would something such as this be right for the tab? http://i.imgur.com/MOwGWQy.png
[14:01] <knome> yeah, something like that
[14:03] <MatthewAllen> knome, just wondering where this task ends? When you're happy with the mockup? Or when stuffs actually getting implemented?
[14:03] <knome> i still don't know exactly what balloons had in mind, but as he said: "when the mockup is ready to be implemented"
[14:03] <knome> so i guess he would like to see how the different parts would look like
[14:03] <knome> for the text spacing issue, i'm fine now
[14:04] <knome> for the menu, well, you could do one more attempt
[14:04] <MatthewAllen> knome, with the results table would implementing it across the full height of the page not leave a bunch of whitespace?
[14:04] <knome> not if it was overlaid on top of the other content
[14:05] <knome> (technically, position: fixed;)
[14:11] <knome> coffee break now, i'm back after that and free for more discussion :)
[14:19] <MatthewAllen> How do you feel about something like this? http://i.imgur.com/vQHg3FC.png
[14:56] <MatthewAllen> knome, ^
[15:02] <MatthewAllen> knome, also tried to address your Navigation comments - see here http://i.imgur.com/DxeMAwQ.png
[15:19] <knome> MatthewAllen, i think the first solution is a bit weird... how would the dialog extend from that position?
[15:20] <MatthewAllen> as in extending from the side of the page?
[15:21] <MatthewAllen> not exactly sure :/
[15:21] <knome> re: navigation, that's better :)
[15:21] <knome> i'll do a quick and dirty HTML mockup for you for the panel i was thinking about...
[15:22] <MatthewAllen> ok, cheers :)
[15:32] <knome> MatthewAllen, so as i said, quick and dirty... http://temp.knome.fi/googlecodein/panel-mockup/
[15:33] <MatthewAllen> knome, oohhh - I understand now
[15:33] <MatthewAllen> I was a bit confused before as you clearly worked out
[15:33] <knome> well, i probably could have been more clear ;)
[15:33] <knome> so this both won't take space when not open
[15:34] <knome> but also follows the user, so regardless where they are in the page, they can quickly access the panel
[15:34] <knome> in the final implementation one can also make sure this appears at the top of the page if no JS is enabled
[15:34] <knome> so it's not obtrusive either
[15:35] <MatthewAllen> mmk, will change my mock up to be in the fashion and let you have another look
[15:35] <knome> sure :)
[15:35] <knome> and fwiw, i think a working draft like mine there is something balloons is looking for in the next task :)
[15:35] <knome> (it doesn't need to be perfect either)
[15:35] <MatthewAllen> are you thinking the side bar should simply have little arrow markers like yours, or actually have text so it's clear for the user?
[15:36] <knome> that's up to you
[15:36] <knome> this was just the easiest thing i could think of in the 5 minutes i set that up
[15:36] <knome> or 10, it looks
[15:38] <knome> and of course, in the final implementation, you'd need to make sure if the panel won't fit in the window vertically, you'll need to add some scrollbars
[15:38] <knome> my mockup isn't doing anything like that, neither is it making sure the arrow and text on the panel look good when the window isn't tall
[15:38] <knome> (they don't)
[15:38] <MatthewAllen> I'm sure when the final implementation occurs you'll be having a look along the way, to make sure it's being done propely :)
[15:39] <knome> mhm, at least considering i have the time
[15:39] <knome> but i should have at least some time...
[15:39] <knome> and this is not something i imagine we'll have ready for production before the contest ends anyway
[15:39] <MatthewAllen> I'd very much doubt that
[15:40] <MatthewAllen> I intend to keep working especially with the QA-Website after the competition ends anyway
[15:40] <knome> with 10 highly trained code monkeys and same amount of UI monkeys working full time on this... maybe ;)
[15:40] <knome> great!
[15:40] <knome> nice to see people getting involved not just for the contest period :)
[15:41] <MatthewAllen> only thing is once school goes back I'll have a lot less time free
[15:41] <knome> you know, "$other_thing is taking my time" is quite normal in FOSS development :D
[15:42] <MatthewAllen> that's the luck I've had for this competition, I've had school holidays the entire time
[15:42] <knome> ...unless you are paid to do it, in which case you are still probably swamped with work on different tasks
[15:42] <MatthewAllen> Australian school holidays line up really will with Google CodeIn
[15:42] <knome> mhm, it's unfortunate that canonical holidays did too
[15:42] <McIntireEvan> Haha yeah, I have exams over this week and I've had school most of the competition, my school times suck with GCI, but eh, it's life
[15:43] <McIntireEvan> Next year if I'm a mentor my college break times should match up super well though, which is good
[15:43] <MatthewAllen> guess it all depends on country, you in the US or somewhere else?
[15:43] <McIntireEvan> Yup, US
[15:43] <MatthewAllen> ahh, only issue for me is the time zones
[15:43] <knome> MatthewAllen, btw, if you potentially have some "free time" for more tasks before the contest ends, i might have one for you
[15:44] <knome> MatthewAllen, or at least, one that might be of interest for you
[15:44] <knome> but it's not published yet
[15:44] <MatthewAllen> knome, feel free to tell me - I've been spending a bunch of free time fixing some QA-Tracker bugs
[15:44] <knome> MatthewAllen, basically i've created this wordpress theme for ubuntu community teams to use -> https://github.com/knomepasi/ubuntu-community-wordpress-theme/
[15:44] <knome> MatthewAllen, i don't know exactly what the task would be, but it would be something along the lines of "test, try to break it, give feedback, and file bugs"
[15:45] <knome> and obviously it would involve setting up a wordpress installation somewhere :)
[15:45] <MatthewAllen> I'd be keen to check that out :)
[15:45] <knome> (and regardless of whether it will be a task or not, all feedback and help with the theme is welcome9
[15:45] <MatthewAllen> From playing around I feel having text in the sidebar looks  a bit stupid, so I'd implement it similarly to yours - http://i.imgur.com/cndaOUL.png
[15:46] <knome> yeah, maybe one could add a link in the content area that said "Report ..."
[15:46] <knome> which would then open the panel
[15:46] <knome> and the panel could totally have a tooltip too
[15:47] <MatthewAllen> I could probally put it in the Notice Board sectio, or in the nav bar under testing tracker
[15:47] <knome> for that, we'd likely need feedback from people who will end up using the tracker
[15:47] <knome> as i see it, since that's the number one thing we want people to do on that page, it could be on a few places
[15:47] <knome> for example, above bugs to look for and below the test reports
[15:48] <knome> but i would say that's more or less minutiae - people who use the tracker will tell where they would look for that link
[15:49] <MatthewAllen> I guess once they've used it once though, and know of the changes it wont be a huge issue anymore
[15:50] <knome> we still have to account for new testers, it has to be intuitive and easy for them as well
[15:53] <MatthewAllen> I've added it under the notice board section and at the bottom of the reported bugs section - http://i.imgur.com/UJ2kxF5.png
[15:55] <knome> mm, putting it on the table is not a bad idea at all
[15:55] <MatthewAllen> it's pretty hard to miss
[15:55] <knome> maybe that needs some tweaking (i always feel the ubuntu orange all over the place is too much)
[15:56] <knome> but yeah, i can see where this is going, and i'm happy with that
[15:56] <MatthewAllen> I'd probally agree with that, any ideas?
[15:56] <knome> http://design.ubuntu.com/brand/colour-palette
[15:56] <knome> see for "Tints"
[15:56] <knome> could use something like 40%
[15:57] <knome> and i would probably argue that the button should be printed with a different color from the table header
[15:57] <knome> but again, that's minutiae
[15:57] <MatthewAllen> so where are you saying I should use the 40% as opossed to the full?
[15:58] <knome> using that instead of the 100% color in all of the table headers etc. would totally make the page easier on the eyes
[15:58] <MatthewAllen> will have a look at that now
[15:58] <knome> but would still stand out enough
[15:59] <knome> and you can try the page with the warm greys they list on the page too
[15:59] <knome> i'm personally a huge fan of the background color (too dark for me), but others might disagree
[16:00] <MatthewAllen> as in the background on the tables? or the page itself?
[16:00] <knome> the whole page
[16:00] <MatthewAllen> do you have an issue with it being a gradient, or just want it to be lighter?
[16:00] <knome> when you change the page background, you likely have to tweak the tables too
[16:00] <knome> gradient is not a problem
[16:01] <knome> the top just feels too dark
[16:02] <MatthewAllen> http://i.imgur.com/L2VnPDr.png
[16:03] <MatthewAllen> Should I leave the nav and sidebar as Ubuntu Orange, or fade them aswell?
[16:03] <MatthewAllen> Also - background ok? Lighterned it up
[16:05] <knome> nav and panel are ok (though you'll likely want to make sure the panel bg isn't that bright when there's text on it)
[16:05] <knome> the bg is also better, but as i guessed, the tables look a bit dark related to that now (and the light hue of the orange too)
[16:06] <MatthewAllen> that's what I was thinking, going to lighten them up with the color pallete you linked me
[16:06] <knome> yup
[16:06] <knome> as you probably see, the balance of the whole page is slowly getting there too
[16:08] <MatthewAllen> thanks for the help in getting in improved :)
[16:08] <knome> no problem
[16:08] <MatthewAllen> http://i.imgur.com/2TQkftu.png
[16:09] <knome> yeah, much better
[16:09] <knome> though the checkered look is a bit weird
[16:09] <knome> at the product column
[16:09] <MatthewAllen> hmm, that's because I'm using 2 colors on opposites
[16:10] <MatthewAllen> Would you rather have 4 diffrent?
[16:10] <MatthewAllen> so there's no checker
[16:10] <knome> i think it would be simply fine to drop the special handling for the last column
[16:10] <knome> just have two colors for the alternate rows
[16:10] <MatthewAllen> mmk
[16:11] <knome> i don't know if this is too little contrast for those who might have problems with eyesight
[16:13] <knome> off again, will be back later
[16:14] <MatthewAllen> knome, beyond that is there anything else major that I need to change? Or just implement the add a bug form?
[16:15] <knome> hmm, from my point of view, i think we are pretty close for being ready for this task
[16:15] <knome> i would ask balloons if he has anything
[16:15] <knome> (and i guess i just did... ;))
[16:15] <MatthewAllen> I talked to him before, and he's pretty much saying it's up to you
[16:15] <knome> aha
[16:15] <knome> then once you're done tweaking, send the latest mockup to the task again, and i'll look at it once more, and most likely approve
[16:16] <knome> thanks!
[16:16] <MatthewAllen> awesome, thankyou very much
[16:16] <knome> but now, actually off ->
[23:44] <fazer> elopio, can you approve my task on GCI please?
[23:46] <elopio> fazer: done. Thank you.
[23:46] <fazer> No problem. Thank you.
[23:47] <elopio> I've increased the count on the task so we can get more work to get to full coverage.
[23:47] <elopio> fazer: a low hanging fruit would be to do the same to cover the the bzr line.
[23:48] <fazer> elopio, yeah I was going to do that. But it won't let me reclaim the task. Can you change something on your side so I can do it multiple times?
[23:49] <fazer> what do you mean you've increased the count on the task?
[23:50] <elopio> fazer: I don't know what to do to let you reclaim it.
[23:51] <fazer> hmmm.. ok. balloons, any idea? ^^
[23:51] <elopio> maybe this is not how it works, and I should add a new task.
[23:52] <fazer> No, I've seen some tasks that can be claimed as many times as they want by the same person.