[05:13] <bruybenj> hi some one know how can i put a limit ex. 1gb of data plan and the cellular data stop ?
[06:29]  * lpotter yawns
[09:45] <Nycticebuscoucan> hi, could you tell me how to turn off the camera sound?
[09:46] <jibel> Nycticebuscoucan, on stable you cannot. On OTA9 or current rc-proposed there is an option in the camera app to disable the shutter sound.
[09:48] <Nycticebuscoucan> is it advisable to install the rc and if yes how do I do it? I am completely new to ubuntu touch and though using ubuntu on my pc for over 5 years now I am not a programmer ;)
[09:49] <ogra_> you can just wait til rc-proposed becomes stable with OTA9
[09:52] <robin-hero> Nycticebuscoucan, If I'm right OTA-9 will be release on 27th, so just a few more days.
[09:53] <Nycticebuscoucan> ok that sounds good to me I am going to wait at least till the 27th
[09:53] <Nycticebuscoucan> thanks to all!
[10:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Hat Day! 😃  🎩
[10:33] <Nycticebuscoucan> How can I mount the aquaris 4.5 in ubuntu? I just want to copy some files.
[10:34] <Nycticebuscoucan> ubuntu shows it as mounted but i cant see any folders in it
[10:39] <davmor2> Nycticebuscoucan: did you unlock the device?
[10:40] <Nycticebuscoucan> probably not
[10:40] <davmor2> Nycticebuscoucan: mtp only works if the phone screen is unlocked to stop people stealing your data by plugging it into a pc
[10:41] <Nycticebuscoucan> thats smart!
[10:41] <Nycticebuscoucan> indeed it works
[10:42] <Nycticebuscoucan> i musst admit that i was a bit disappointed when i got the device but now i am beginning to like it :)
[10:43] <Nycticebuscoucan> thank you for your help davmor2
[10:43] <davmor2> Nycticebuscoucan: pleasure
[10:50] <robin-hero> davmor2, I have an idea. I know a lot of people confuse because this behaviour. Will it be difficult to implement a notification, when somebody plug a phone to a computer at the first time? And this notification tells him to he needs to open the phone first to access the content. And should be a button to "I got it, neves show this message again." What do you think?
[10:51] <davmor2> robin-hero: no idea I'm not a dev
[10:51] <davmor2> robin-hero: I think that there was a bug filed along those lines though
[13:23] <conkey3> is there any way to turn OFF auto focus?
[13:46] <davmor2> conkey3: for the camera app?
[13:46] <ogra_> conkey3, auto-focus ?
[13:46] <ogra_> ah
[13:47]  * ogra_ was thinking about window focus :) 
[13:47] <davmor2> ogra_: it was the only auto focus I could think off that you would want to turn off
[13:48] <ogra_> yeah
[13:48]  * ogra_ didnt think that far :P
[13:51] <conkey3> davmor2, yep the camera app
[13:52] <davmor2> conkey3: I don't think you can turn it off but if you tap on the bit you want to focus on it will focus there instead
[13:53] <conkey3> davmor2, i need to turn it off for recordings, it auto changes the focus while recording  :'(
[13:53] <conkey3> pff
[13:54] <ogra_> file a bug in any case so kaleo (the app dev) gets aware of it
[13:56] <conkey3> ogra_, reported a while ago :> but the bug is marked as wishlist aka will probably never happen or priority = -999999999
[13:56] <chrisluck> My nexus4 on newest rc-proposed keeps crashing at night, but only when i set an alarm clock. Is this a known bug?
[14:14] <pmcgowan> conkey3, wishlist just means its a feature not low priority, but if thats affecting recording sounds like a bug instead
[14:18] <conkey3> pmcgowan, i agree. it's more of a bug than a feature https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1511074
[14:19] <conkey3> pmcgowan, to better understand this bug try recording the laptop screen while moving/opening windows etc
[14:19] <pmcgowan> conkey3, is that when shoting any video
[14:19] <pmcgowan> or some special usecase
[14:21] <conkey3> pmcgowan, when recording any screens
[14:22] <conkey3> pmcgowan,  the window movement or something triggers a refocus and makes the video unfocused blurry
[14:22] <conkey3> i'm using the mx4 but it's probably the same with bq
[14:23] <pmcgowan> conkey3, yep, so thats a tad more specific, in any event I will make sure its on backlog
[14:24] <pmcgowan> chrisluck, I dont think that has been reported
[14:26] <chrisluck> This bug exists since forever and it happened at least 10 times to me. The phone is charging and the alarm clock is set. When i wake up in the morning, the alarm didnt ring and I have to long-press the power button to get the phone rebooted.
[14:27] <conkey3> pmcgowan, thanks!  :D here's a recorded video (with meizu mx4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zdpp7mZEQs
[14:28] <pmcgowan> conkey3, yeah thats unfortunate
[14:28] <pmcgowan> conkey3, I can put that in the bug as an example
[14:29] <conkey3> pmcgowan, yep, that will help the devs understand better what this bug it's all about :D
[14:31] <pmcgowan> chrisluck, is there an existing bug open
[14:31] <pmcgowan> and do you see any crash files?
[14:32] <chrisluck> I dont know. Which files am i looking for? I can check next time
[14:33] <pmcgowan> chrisluck, look in /var/crash, I will check for an existing bug
[14:35] <pmcgowan> chrisluck, so your phone is locked up in the am? unresponsive?
[14:36] <pmcgowan> there is a media-hub crash that prevents alarms from sounding
[14:36] <chrisluck> exactly, sceen is not turning on and i have to long-press the powerbutton to boot/reboot it
[14:37] <pmcgowan> thats a different symptom to the bug I found
[14:37] <pmcgowan> chrisluck, would be interesting to see what crash files are there if any
[14:40] <pmcgowan> chrisluck, this is your bug but no one reported it for a long time https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1417188
[14:40] <pmcgowan> we can reopen it if we can get some info
[14:41] <chrisluck> that one is different i think. In my case the alarm doesnt ring and the screen also doesnt turn on
[14:41] <pmcgowan> his screen didnt either
[14:41] <pmcgowan> but yeah alarm sounded
[14:42] <chrisluck> he says, that ther was a "greeter" on the screen. So his screen turned on but was unresponsive
[14:43] <pmcgowan> right
[15:28] <gQuigs> are we going to push for QT5.6 for xenial?   If so is there any testing to be done (don't find a 5.6 ppa here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting)
[15:34] <myrmidon> Is there going to be a setting to allow programs to run in the background anytime soon?
[15:35] <myrmidon> Without making the fs r/w?
[15:36] <myrmidon> or the ability to use apt to download terminal programs?
[15:44] <matv1> myrmidon you are aware that there have some been massive discussions about background processing in the mailinglist already?
[15:46] <k1l> background processes were in the discussion too.
[15:46] <k1l> i mean multitask
[15:59] <ogra_> k1l, no, you mean background processing ;)
[16:00] <ogra_> the system is already multitasking, it is the UI that doesnt allow bg processing
[16:00] <matv1> right
[16:00] <k1l> i will refer to it as the black magic that runs processes in the background, from now on :)
[16:00] <ogra_> haha
[16:03] <matv1> I do however that somewhere in that discussion, someone from canonical hinted that allowing/not allowing active processsing out of focus would be device specific. That when running it on a desktop (or even a craddled phone), that choice would be automatically disabled
[16:03] <matv1> i think it was tvoss
[16:04] <matv1> has any progress been made on that?
[16:04] <ogra_> well, i doubt we will ever allow apps themselves to ship bg processes ...
[16:04]  * tathhu is back on ubuntu phone.. AGAIN. 
[16:04] <tathhu> :d
[16:04] <ogra_> the system isd simply lacking apis
[16:04] <ogra_> in the future there should be background processing for apps, but only through secured system services
[16:05] <ogra_> via the app API
[16:05] <chrustler> Trying to try out Ubuntu on my x86 tablet - is there a live-iso to use? Or a recommended one more-so...
[16:05] <matv1> i think that was not what was said in the Sturmflut discusion a while back
[16:05] <ogra_> well, i only know the master plan :=
[16:05] <ogra_> :)
[16:06] <matv1> ogra_ IS the master plan
[16:06] <ogra_> the master plan is world dominance via snappy skynet indeed :P
[16:08] <matv1> you accomplished that already. I read an article in Forbes the other day that said so
[16:08] <ogra_> lol
[16:11] <matv1> ah found it: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg15887.html
[16:11] <ogra_> yeah, that was a rather gigantic thread
[16:12] <ogra_> (and not the first one on the topic)
[16:12] <matv1> I know yes :)
[16:13] <matv1> but i mean thomas´s comment on lifecycle management being device specific in the future
[16:13] <tvoss> matv1, the lifecycle policy will be adjusted depending on the device/scenario, yes
[16:13] <ogra_> right, that doesnt matter much for phone-only
[16:14] <tvoss> matv1, we collected quite some use-cases and I have a task to write up next steps on my list
[16:14] <tvoss> matv1, so stay tuned
[16:16] <matv1> tvoss awsum. I believe getting to a point where U8 continues to run apps when out of focus will take a lot of the hurt out of not being to bgprocess on a phone
[16:17] <matv1> and i am ofcourse staying tuned :)
[16:18] <matv1> And i wish everyone an a great weekend now. Adios Amigos!
[17:51] <Niju____> So if I'm understanding correctly, 'out of focus' will allow background processing....without background processing?
[18:00] <Niju____> What about installing terminal programs?  If we can't use apt as a normal user, how can we install the thousands of useful terminal programs?
[18:02] <popey> Niju____, someone could package them up and put them in the store.
[18:02] <Niju____> How hard is that to do?
[18:02] <popey> Depends on the app
[18:03] <Niju____> I much prefer Sailfish's useage as that's more Linux like
[18:03] <Niju____> repo's
[18:04] <popey> Not sure I get what "more linux like" means, but okay
[18:06] <Niju____> Ubuntu Phone almost seems crippled by not allowing apt-get, i understand why it was done but on my Jolla, I can just add the openrepo's, and install nmap etc from the terminal
[18:06] <Niju____> I can't do that on UT without either r/w my fs
[18:06] <Niju____> Maybe UT should be more like desktop Ubuntu in that regard
[18:07] <popey> if someone threw nmap in the store, you could install that too
[18:07] <Niju____> I understand that, but it's a bit more convoluted than just adding a repo and installing myself
[18:07] <popey> sure.
[18:07] <Niju____> Probably the only thing that annoys me about UT
[18:08] <popey> not a typical use case for "normals" though
[18:08] <popey> But I understand
[18:08] <Niju____> Hopefully it changes.  I noticed a recent fitness tracker app the other day, but it couldn't be used with the screen off...wtf
[18:09] <dobey> what are you trying to do?
[18:09] <Niju____> due to the background process thing
[18:09] <dobey> you can create a chroot if you want to install random debian packages to play with
[18:09] <Niju____> I have considered this, but it shouldn't really be necessary
[18:10] <Niju____> I'm not dissing UT, I love it, but it is the main gripe I have
[18:10] <dobey> well, you are allowed to break your phone if you want, but you get to keep all the shards that fall out :)
[18:10] <Niju____> haha
[18:10] <Niju____> :D
[18:10] <dobey> but there's really only so much you can allow when you need to build a system that is secure, reliable, and supportable
[18:11] <Niju____> actually on that note, if I was to r/w the filesystem and installed nmap for example, if I THEN make the filesystem read only again, can OTA's be used?
[18:11] <dobey> adding arbitrary PPAs and installing random junk in /, breaks those concepts
[18:11] <Niju____> dobey, again I refer to Sailfish's implementation
[18:11] <dobey> well this isn't #sailfish
[18:11] <Niju____> very true
[18:12] <Niju____> would my example work with enabling r/w then disabling after installing a program?
[18:12] <dobey> if Jolla wants to build a system that's less secure and lets you install arbitrary things in / with apt, that's their choice. and it's not relevant to ubuntu :)
[18:13] <dobey> yes and no
[18:13] <popey> Niju____, I'd just put anything you want to use in ~/bin
[18:13] <popey> thats what i do, then it's automagically in the path
[18:15] <Niju____> how would that work exactly?
[18:16] <popey> you put the nmap binary in ~/bin
[18:16] <popey> open terminal, run stuff
[18:17] <Niju____> is this without r/w being enabled?
[18:17] <popey> yes
[18:17] <popey> your home directory is writable
[18:17] <Niju____> oh yes I misread the ~
[18:17] <popey> I usually ssh into the phone and wget what I want into it
[18:18] <Niju____> why didn't I think of that :P
[18:18] <Niju____> That pretty much fixes my gripes then
[18:19] <Niju____> How does that work though with sudo actions? Example, nmap again, some scans require sudo access?
[18:19] <dobey> run sudo nmap?
[18:19] <Niju> there are some scans which require it
[18:19] <Niju> OS id for example
[18:19] <dobey> yes, so why not run "sudo nmap" ?
[18:20] <Niju> and that would work?
[18:20] <dobey> sudo works, otherwise you wouldn't be able to remount / as rw either
[18:20] <dobey> well assuming nmap is in your path, yes
[18:20] <dobey> if it's not, then "sudo ~/wherever/you/put/nmap"
[18:20] <Niju> everyday is a school day. :)
[18:21] <Niju> that pretty much solves all my problems then, great job, keep it up! Lol :D
[18:21] <Niju> thanks dobey
[18:23] <popey> Oh, excellent news.
[18:23] <dobey> but really, a chroot is the way to go, as you can then just run apt-get inside the chroot to install things, and they can be kept updated by doing apt-get upgrade on occasion
[18:25] <Niju> I saw chroot instructions for UT somewhere but not sure how valid they are now
[18:25] <Niju> I've never done chroot before
[18:25] <popey> the ones dobey is about to link to work
[18:25] <Niju> :D
[18:25] <popey> I've jinxed it now
[18:26] <Niju> lol
[18:26] <dobey> lol
[18:26] <dobey> https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[18:26] <popey> good lad
[18:27] <dobey> i wrote them, so they must be valid
[18:27] <Niju> pretty sure that's the one I saw :)
[18:27] <Niju> Even better
[18:27] <Niju> Good thing I got that 32gb sd card
[18:30] <Niju> Cheers guys :)
[18:51] <Niju> ok, first problem, following that guide, on sudo chroot . I get 'failed to run /bin/bash, permission denied'
[18:58] <Niju> made the vivid-chroot directory on my sd card
[19:03] <tathhu> wat, ureadit isn't in store anymore? :( mhall119
[19:04] <mhall119> what?
[19:04] <mhall119> tathhu: ureadit or ureadit-dev?
[19:06] <mhall119> oh, it's using a newer framework version that the stable releases
[19:06] <mhall119> tathhu: it should be available again after the next OTA
[19:07] <tathhu> both :(
[19:07] <tathhu> ahh
[19:08] <mhall119> yeah, both are using ubuntu-sdk-15.04.3
[19:08] <mhall119> tathhu: I'll check later today to see if I can use a lower framework version
[19:22] <dobey> Niju: oh yeah, the terminal app can't do chroot. you can do it when you ssh/adb to the phone though
[19:26] <Niju> dobey, so I still can't run apps on the actual device then?
[19:28] <dobey> Niju: i don't know how to get around terminal app not being able to get into the chroot at the moment, but you can install some apps in the chroot, and still run them from terminal app without switching into the chroot
[19:54] <Niju> maybe I'm not understanding chrooting properly, I thought chroot sort of put me in a 'mode' where anything I did was contained in the chroot 'virtual' environement?
[19:55] <dobey> when you run the chroot command, yes
[19:55] <dobey> but "a chroot" on disk is just a directory that contains an installation of the OS within it.
[19:56] <dobey> so if it's the same OS as the host, and the thing you installed doesn't depend on things not available on the host OS install, you can run it without chrooting into the chroot
[19:58] <Niju> ah, I think I get you now
[19:59] <Niju> so if I download say the nmap binary, run it, it'll use the OS files from the chroot?
[19:59] <Niju> which is writable
[19:59] <dobey> if you are chrooted in the chroot when you run it, yes
[20:00] <Niju> That seems to be my issue just now then as when I go into my chroot directory and run sudo chroot . it gives me the permission denied error
[20:00] <dobey> if you just run "~/chroot/usr/bin/nmap" from the host, then anything it needs in the OS, it will expect to be in appropriate locations in the host
[20:03] <dobey> jdstrand: ^^ is there some way we can fix it so that "sudo chroot ." in the Terminal app will work?
[20:06] <jdstrand> can someone file a bug against apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu with the denial?
[20:07] <dobey> sure
[20:10] <Niju> Is this a relatively easy fix?
[20:11] <dobey> i don't know. if i knew the fix, i would have submitted an MP already :)
[20:11] <dobey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/+bug/1534807
[20:12] <dobey> jdstrand: ^^ there you go :)
[20:16] <Niju> confirmed it affects me :)
[20:46] <jdstrand> ok, I need feedback from balloons