[00:00] <bigboy69> but it gives no information about that
[00:00] <bigboy69> my battery is not losing charge
[00:00] <bigboy69> it stays at around 95-98%
[00:01] <bigboy69> and the power manager detects the charger
[00:01] <yigal> bigboy69: what is the output for 'upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0' ?
[00:01] <shibboleth> Can i get 16.04 testing install media and just keep updating until launch?
[00:01] <bigboy69> should I paste it?
[00:01] <yigal> bigboy69: I suspect it won't show new info. but it's good to double check
[00:02] <yigal> bigboy69: you Ubuntu's pastebin
[00:02] <yigal> bigboy69: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[00:02] <shibboleth> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[00:02] <llldino> I know as well that Power Manager supports battery info for peripherals, maybe you have the wrong icon in your panel?
[00:02] <yigal> bigboy69: or github or what ever you're comfortable using
[00:03] <bigboy69> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14499976/
[00:05] <yigal> bigboy69: interesting so it's degraded to ~95% of it's optimal amount, which is all that is being reported
[00:05] <GeekSquid> bigboy69: my first step in fixing problems, usually, is to search the model of the laptop on ubuntuforums.com to see if others have experienced the same problems and if there might be a fix
[00:06] <yigal> bigboy69: this seems highly suspicious 19   time to empty:       46.2 hours
[00:07] <sbrtn> hello
[00:08] <jawa_> hi
[00:08] <sbrtn> can someone please comment on whether or not the following would be a hassle, or if its "totally doable"
[00:08] <Guest3109> any games like starcraft/warcraft in ubuntu?
[00:09] <sbrtn> making or taking a live USB distro, and booting up a working laptop, say, a windows laptop... then sharing that machines HD over SAMBA or something, to othe rmachines. Preferably R/W
[00:09] <bigboy69> I have done a thorough (I think) search online for a solution
[00:09] <bigboy69> but can't seem to find one
[00:09] <yigal> bigboy69: do you see anything when you query the logs: sudo journalctl | grep -i acpi ?
[00:10] <bigboy69> yes I do
[00:10] <bigboy69> shall I pastbin it?
[00:10] <GeekSquid> sbrtn: that is totally doable, boot from live, install samba, create user that matches network, share files from new user
[00:10] <yigal> bigboy69: yes, if you do
[00:10] <bigboy69> it's really long btw
[00:11] <yigal> bigboy69: well that's the goodness of pastebin :)
[00:12] <shibboleth> Are there even server isos for 16.04?
[00:12] <sbrtn> GeekSquid: what about my read+write request? does that complicate things? Keep in mind: windowsXP or win7 machine, originally
[00:12] <yigal> shibboleth: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[00:12] <GeekSquid> shibboleth: 04 means April
[00:13] <bigboy69> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14500033/
[00:13] <yigal> shibboleth: so while they exist you likely shouldn't use them :)
[00:14] <yigal> bigboy69: most of the logs appear to be addressing the kernel state when it's going into or waking up from suspension
[00:14] <shibboleth> hmmm
[00:15] <GeekSquid> sbrtn: if you create the new user and chown -R newuser:newuser /media/whatevertheshareis you will make it writable, read man mount for how to make it writable
[00:15] <sbrtn> GeekSquid: ok merci
[00:16] <user___> hi
[00:16] <bigboy69> a detail I forgot: the harddisk keep rapidly spinning up and down extremely frequently unless I issue: sudo hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda
[00:16] <user___> quit
[00:17] <yigal> bigboy69: just so we can check other services that are also affected, as this is most likely an acpi issue, what happens when you issue 'systemctl status thermald.service'
[00:18] <yigal> bigboy69: interesting, about the hd
[00:18] <bigboy69> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14500070/
[00:19] <anabain> how can I set, via qdbus (or whatever), the title of the dolphin window to the current path dolphin is at? I want to substitute the last dir name, which is what is shown by default, for the full path to that same dir. something like that but for dolphin instead of konsole: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27004924/how-can-i-automatically-set-the-window-title-in-konsole-kde-to-be-my-pwd-stri
[00:19] <yigal> bigboy69: ok, no luck there, I mean everything looks thermally good at this time
[00:19] <bigboy69> I think it may be connected to to the battery issue because as I understand it the clicking is from the HD trying to save power
[00:21] <anabain> in fact, any method that makes it possible to get the pwd for dolphin from the CLI would be OK... Any ideas?
[00:21] <yigal> bigboy69: better power management than a drive about to die :)
[00:22] <bigboy69> well, I wouldn't be overly disappointed as the laptop is still under warranty :D
[00:22] <bigboy69> although I'm pretty sure it's fine
[00:23] <yigal> bigboy69: are you using anything like cpufreq to set the power governor?
[00:23] <bigboy69> nope
[00:23] <yigal> cool, just checking as you're familiar hdparm
[00:23] <bigboy69> everything is as a fresh install would be except i installed sensors, iotop and issued the hdparm comman
[00:25] <yigal> bigboy69: have you used powertop for the laptop yet, that's one suggestion I would have if you haven't yet
[00:25] <bigboy69> no I haven't
[00:26] <bigboy69> the power management and battery life is fine
[00:26] <bigboy69> it's just this display/detection issue
[00:26] <bigboy69> in fact it's possible better than on windows
[00:26] <yigal> bigboy69: what gpu is it using?
[00:27] <bigboy69> intel integrated gpu
[00:27] <bigboy69> not sure which model
[00:27] <yigal> bigboy69: ok so from that perspective things should likely work well enough
[00:28] <yigal> bigboy69: however, there are some integrated intel gpus that have always had issues, so it's not impossible that at least for the brightness we should look at the driver to see if everything is good there
[00:29] <bigboy69> I am not using the intel proprietory driver atm
[00:29] <yigal> bigboy69: ok so it's a HD Graphics 4400
[00:30] <HackerII> prolly a 960
[00:30] <bigboy69> not sure
[00:30] <HackerII> lspci
[00:31] <bigboy69> ofc
[00:31] <bigboy69> soz
[00:31] <yigal> bigboy69: come on brotha :)
[00:32] <yigal> bigboy69: and if it is check http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2214983 for the brightness issue, I suspect this will fix it
[00:32] <bigboy69> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14500151/
[00:33] <bigboy69> it doesn't say there
[00:33] <yigal> right, not detailed enough
[00:34] <ADIGA> hi to all
[00:34] <yigal> bigboy69: but if we go by https://www.asus.com/us/2-in-1-PCs/ASUS_Transformer_Book_Flip_TP300LA/specifications/ I suspect it's the 4400
[00:36] <bigboy69> that's not it, I have an i7 5500U
[00:36] <bigboy69> but I'm looking
[00:36] <HackerII> sudo lshw -c video
[00:38] <bigboy69> doesn't sya there
[00:38] <yigal> interesting it might actually be the next generation the 5500
[00:38] <bigboy69> found it
[00:38] <bigboy69> http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-Transformer-Book-Flip-TP300LA-DW176H.143280.0.html
[00:38] <bigboy69> looks like it's got HD 5500
[00:39] <yigal> bigboy69: yes, indeed, I must agree
[00:39] <HackerII> asus makes a good lappy, i have one
[00:42] <bigboy69> I agree, the laptop is cool and it works well for the most part
[00:42] <bigboy69> but it's just this issue
[00:43] <yigal> bigboy69: not sure if it's absolutely necessary but have you followed similar instructions as the one's given http://askubuntu.com/questions/541525/upgraded-to-14-10-brightness-control-quit-working-intel-hd-4400 ?
[00:43] <yigal> bigboy69: I suspect they will likely work for this gen. as well
[00:44] <yigal> bigboy69: Option      "Backlight"  "intel_backlight"
[00:44] <bigboy69> I have done that and I should be able to revert the changes if necessary
[00:44] <bigboy69> But will this have an effect on the power management
[00:44] <bigboy69> ?
[00:44] <yigal> bigboy69: no
[00:45] <yigal> bigboy69: it's for X, the graphics display
[00:45] <bigboy69> it's really odd because the system can clearly detect the charger connected
[00:46] <yigal> bigboy69: I think it's all likely coming from the same issue, however I think you will need to attack it piecemeal
[00:46] <yigal> bigboy69: one step at a time, let's get the brightness to work properly
[00:47] <bigboy69> ok, I need to restart for that
[00:47] <bigboy69> so brb
[00:47] <adn_> jo, hace cuanto no uso un IRC :P
[00:48] <GeekSquid> !es
[00:48] <yigal> bigboy69: even though you aren't here, you don't need to restart the laptop the restart X, just 'systemctl restart lightdm.service' :)
[00:49] <bigboy69> so it didn't work
[00:50] <bigboy69> unfortunately
[00:56] <JCT500THz> Is there any way to set the Super-Key to open the Whisker menu in Xubuntu?
[00:56] <JCT500THz> It originally works in Ubuntu to open the menu-thingie, I know that, but not Xubuntu.
[00:56] <JCT500THz> On my PC, it's known as the Winkey.
[00:57] <JCT500THz> I'm just wondering if there's any way to set it to open the Whisker menu I have on my panel.
[00:57] <bigboy69> menu->setting->keyboard
[00:58] <bigboy69> under application short cuts
[00:58] <JCT500THz> Yeah... and then...
[00:58] <bigboy69> xfce-popup-whisker-menu change the key to winkey
[00:58] <JCT500THz> Cool!
[00:58] <JCT500THz> Thanks for your help! It worked! :D
[00:59] <bigboy69> no worries m8
[00:59] <JCT500THz> ^_^
[01:21] <yigal> bigboy69: I'm sorry to hear, I just got an update on a job interview I had, did better than I thought, and I had to call a few friends
[01:23] <bigboy69> yogal: no worries m8
[01:23] <FXpr0> I need a light but secured version of ubuntu.  any ideas?
[01:23] <bigboy69> did you get the job haha
[01:23] <FXpr0> lubuntu? xbuntu??
[01:24] <daftykins> lubuntu is the lightest, there's no difference in security.
[01:24] <yigal> bigboy69: yes, it seems potentially multiple offers, I don't think I've ever been in this position, anyways I'm sorry that it didn't work
[01:25] <daftykins> lets keep the support talk in here and exciting job offers can go to #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[01:26] <yigal> daftykins: ty, agreed
[01:26] <whiteghost> peppermint good too
[01:26] <bigboy69> soz
[01:30] <PrincessPeach> Hello there. What version of Ubuntu should I install today if I want as few problems as possible with upgrading when 16.04 LTS comes out? 14.04 LTS, 15.04, or 15.10? Thanks.
[01:32] <Bashing-om> PrincessPeach: I would vote for 15.10 due to systemd as the initiate system .
[01:32] <PrincessPeach> Bashing-om: I'll write that down, thanks. Hopefully some more people can come with opinions.
[01:34] <K1rk> PrincessPeach, typically the upgrade process is sequential.  It always was in the past.
[01:34] <daftykins> i'd say that rushing is a mistake
[01:34] <daftykins> do you really NEED an install today if 16.04 is the intention?
[01:34] <K1rk> PrincessPeach, so running the newest version possible would be the best choice based on previous stuff.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:35] <PrincessPeach> K1rk: 15.10 then?
[01:35] <K1rk> PrincessPeach, yeah that would be the best case I think.
[01:35] <PrincessPeach> daftykins: Three more months of Windows 10? Nightmare.
[01:35] <K1rk> PrincessPeach, in general I don't like distro upgrades, I usually redo the install lol
[01:36] <K1rk> But it's not for a very rational reason it just bothers my ocd
[01:36] <PrincessPeach> K1rk: Is there a timer that counts down the days till the 16.04 LTS release? I suck at head math.
[01:36] <daftykins> PrincessPeach: sounds like a very dramatic opinion. are you even aware of whether it'll be easy to put ubuntu on this system? what is it?
[01:37] <daftykins> it's out in April... that's as much as you need know
[01:37] <PrincessPeach> daftykins: This is a PC that I built with carefully selected parts about two years ago.
[01:37] <daftykins> i'd agree upgrades are a mess
[01:37] <PrincessPeach> daftykins: Do you mind telling me why they are a mess?
[01:38] <daftykins> i'm a regular volunteer in this support channel, i see all sorts.
[01:38] <PrincessPeach> daftykins: Share if you can. That's the information I'm really after. It could help me make a better decision.
[01:38] <daftykins> if you insist on installing a prior version soon, just be sure to make a separate /home partition so you can clean install when the time comes
[01:38] <daftykins> no, i don't see that there's any specifics i need to share to reinforce my opinion
[01:39] <PrincessPeach> Eh, okay. That's pretty weird.
[01:39] <daftykins> were it not for being off topic i'd be more inclined to hear what is so wrong with 10
[01:39] <daftykins> no, it's not really - you're trying to get me to go to lengths as to why you should accept what's been suggested
[01:40] <PrincessPeach> If you can't help, that's fine. Just don't pretend that you can. We're good.
[01:40] <daftykins> are you aware how stupid you sound right now?
[01:41] <daftykins> another option is installing 16.04 alpha
[01:41] <daftykins> or a daily
[01:41] <PrincessPeach> I'll take that as a compliment when it comes from you.
[01:41] <PrincessPeach> Relax.
[01:41] <daftykins> am i to understand i should know you?
[01:41] <PrincessPeach> No?
[01:41] <daftykins> i'm relaxed, i just think you're spouting nonsense
[01:42] <daftykins> anyone who's been near computers long enough to see upgrades knows they're a mistake
[01:42] <PrincessPeach> But since I've heard about "draftykins" before, I assume that's you. Kinda the same name. Haha.
[01:43] <daftykins> so like i said, keep a separate /home - then just clean install when the time comes
[01:43] <PrincessPeach> I'll probably do that, yes.
[01:47] <hal14450> hmm i've been using computers since ~1980 and although sometimes some upgrades can be problematic i wouldn't classify them as a mistake
[01:48] <daftykins> makes more sense to avoid any potential pitfalls when the option is available
[01:49] <RNeville> guys, what is a good circuit simulation program (i.e., pspice) that will run under linux?
[01:49] <bigboy69> SPICE is the same program at it's
[01:49] <bigboy69> core
[01:49] <bigboy69> so it doesn't really matter, the only difference is the wrapper
[01:50] <hal14450> i'll grant you that upgrading straight away isn't what i normally do. having a separate /home partition is always a good idea
[01:50] <daftykins> mmhmm
[01:51] <bigboy69> ngspice runs on ubuntu
[01:51] <RNeville> bigboy69, I don't see spice in the Ubuntu software Center ?
[01:52] <hal14450> RNeville, try using synaptic
[01:52] <bigboy69> gspiceUI
[01:52] <bigboy69> is available on the software centre
[01:52] <bigboy69> make sure you tick in the options to install ngspice as well before you click install
[02:09] <tret> does the ffmpeg hack affect chromium? if so you must update chromium too
[02:10] <tret> chromium has it's own ffmpeg lib
[02:11] <tret> i think that chromium isn't using the part that allows the hack
[02:11] <tret> we should ask someone who knows
[02:13]  * beepie beeps
[02:22] <RNeville> could someone tell me what this command basically, does: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-generic-lts-vivid
[02:22] <xangua> RNeville: it installs vivid kernel
[02:23] <RNeville> sorry, a newbie here, what basically is vivid kernel
[02:23] <xangua> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack RNeville
[02:24] <xangua> Then why do you want to do that?
[02:24] <RNeville> I can't use the exact terminolgy here but, I encrypted my boot harddrive, and now it seem I run out of space on my boot partition once I've updated a couple of times
[02:25] <RNeville> someone help me in the past, and I'm looking through log files and this command was one of the commands I used to solve my problem last time
[02:26] <SHravan> how can I brows Internet text mode on ubuntu
[02:28] <Bashing-om> RNeville: IRT kernel/disk space ; What results ' sudo apt-get auto remove ' ?
[02:30] <ChibaPet> SHravan: w3m, lynx, Emacs
[02:31] <RNeville> working on it Bashing-om
[02:32] <RNeville> can someone bot me instruction for pastebinit ?
[02:33] <Bashing-om> !pastbinit | RNeville
[02:33] <SchrodingersScat> !msgthebot | RNeville !pastebinit
[02:33] <Bashing-om> !paste | RNeville
[02:33] <SchrodingersScat> I argue his problem is really bot-usage.
[02:35] <adrian_1908> hello. I'm interested in watching TV on linux with my DVB-C tuner. The hardware is supported in the kernel, so I'm just looking for some tips on what lightweight tools there are to scan for channels. Anyone here knowledgeable or maybe know a good IRC channel for that?
[02:35] <adrian_1908> I don't trust Wikis too much, because they're often collections of outdated information.
[02:37] <fibes> ever use vlc to watch movies/videos?
[02:37] <fibes> it can also do tv tuning
[02:38] <fibes> using w_scan
[02:38] <RNeville> Bashing-om, when I run sudo apt-get auto remove I get the error message "Invalid operation auto"
[02:38] <Bashing-om> RNeville: "sudo apt-get auto remove" autoremove as one word .
[02:39] <adrian_1908> fibes: I'm using mpv and would like to stick to that, but thanks for the suggestion! I only need an extra tool to scan for channels. I just discovered the #linuxtv channel though, so I think I'll ask there since it's more topical.
[02:39] <RNeville> sorry, Bashing-om
[02:39] <Bashing-om> RNeville: Sorry bout me typo .. getting the cat out of my lap now ,
[02:40] <fibes> w_scan
[02:40] <fibes> w_scan is a small command line utility used to perform frequency scans for DVB and ATSC transmissions.
[02:41] <al2o3-cr> yeah w_scan seconded
[02:42] <RNeville> sorry, Bashing-om , ran the command "sudo apt-get autoremove" without pastebinit
[02:42] <adrian_1908> fibes: oh, ok. I misunderstood. I tought that was part of VLC.
[02:43] <Bashing-om> RNeville: And ? I t removed old kernels and you now have disk space back ? 'df -h ' tells the tale .
[02:45] <RNeville> Bashing-om http://paste.ubuntu.com/14501036/
[02:45] <RNeville> looks good to me, but again, I'm obviously a newbie !
[02:45] <erwfhjsgh>                                                 
[02:46] <Bashing-om> RNeville: Yeah .. mighty small /boot .. you will have to keep an eye on it .. and make sure you have room for a new kernel when an update becomes availabale .
[02:47] <RNeville> Bashing-om, can I now run : "sudo apt-get update" ; "sudo apt-get install" ?
[02:47] <daftykins> install isn't a command on its' own
[02:48] <RNeville> k daftykins
[02:48] <Bashing-om> RNeville: Yeah .. you have room now for ONE and only one added kernel .
[02:49] <fibes> yea it needs to know apt-get instal (what)
[02:49] <RNeville> could I run something like gparted and expand my boot partition ?
[02:49] <RNeville> k fibes
[02:49] <Bashing-om> RNeville: Not a thing for the inexperienced to attempt ... but short answer is YES .
[02:49] <RNeville> I'll google full command to update kernel
[02:50] <daftykins> better would be to ignore that /boot and put it on your / - but you use LVM
[02:50] <RNeville> Well, I won't try it then Bashing-om
[02:50] <RNeville> I am in over my head, now :)
[02:50] <Bashing-om> RNeville: Best is to keep an eye on /boot .. and keep it trimmed down .
[02:50] <sam_yan> how did lightdm start the gnome-session? where is the main files?
[02:50] <virgosun> hi all
[02:51] <virgosun> something wrong with asusx451ca uefi
[02:51] <virgosun> can anyone help
[02:51] <sruli> hi, i have a vpn kill switch script with worked fine in 14.04, i use to to block all traffic on host and VM when vpn disconnects, i now changed to 15.10 and it only blocks host traffic not VM, i am not sure if its because i changed from virtualbox to KVM or if its 14.04 > 15.10 related this is my iptables rules for kill switch paste.ubuntu.com/14501070
[02:52] <Bashing-om> sam_yan: See : /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf .
[02:52] <WeiJunLi> how can I see how long a page takes to load, there is any standard command already?
[02:53] <fibes> like from a web server?
[02:53] <sam_yan> Bashing-om: In /etc/lightdm, there is only users.conf
[02:53] <ChibaPet> WeiJunLi: curl perhaps, and time
[02:53] <sruli> can anyone help me with my iptables issue?
[02:53] <daftykins> sruli: bear in mind ##networking also
[02:53] <Bashing-om> sruli: 14.04 was upstart and 15.10 is systemd for the initiate system ; See : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers .
[02:54] <sruli> Bashing-om: the script does not auto start, so its not a upstart isse
[02:54] <sruli> any other ideas?
[02:55] <daftykins> i'd bet your interface name doesn't match
[02:56] <sruli> daftykins: i beleive it does, paste.ubuntu.com/14501070
[02:56] <daftykins> that's the same paste.
[02:56] <daftykins> nevermind
[02:56] <RNeville> Bashing-om, does this look correct in order to upgrade my machine : "sudo apt-get update"; "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:57] <daftykins> those commands are fine
[02:57] <sruli> daftykins: yes, that last line gets the correct interface name
[02:57] <RNeville> thx daftykins
[02:57] <sruli> daftykins: 1 min i'll add a rule manually to test
[02:57] <Bashing-om> RNeville: Yeah, that will do it .. 'dist-upgrade' invokes apt's smart mode to deal with dependencies and install new software (kernel) .
[02:58] <virgosun>  hi all
[02:58] <virgosun>  something wrong with asusx451ca uefi
[02:58] <virgosun>  can anyone help
[02:58] <Bashing-om> sam_yan: Also there is : /usr/share/xsessions/ubuntu.desktop to control lightdm startup .
[02:59] <sam_yan> Bashing-om: but how lightdm start the gnome-session ?
[02:59] <daftykins> virgosun: what are you trying to do?
[03:00] <RNeville> thx, again, Bashing-om
[03:01] <virgosun> daftykins , last night I installed this http://xsolutions.free.fr/home/netbookXXX/inetbook/iportable-snow-osx86-usb_assets/iPortable%20Snow%20ReadMe.pdf
[03:01] <Bashing-om> sam_yan: I "thought" that was in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf ?? Might see also what is in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/ directory .
[03:01] <sam_yan> Bashing-om: Ok I will
[03:02] <virgosun> daftykins: then all uefi entry get deleted
[03:02] <daftykins> virgosun: some kind of OS X install method? that's not ubuntu related then.
[03:02] <zykotick9> RNeville: the "newschool" version could be "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt upgrade"... but apt-get works fine ;)
[03:02] <virgosun> along side my ubuntu 16.04 gnome 3.18
[03:02] <virgosun> daftykin:
[03:02] <daftykins> 16.04 is not even final yet.
[03:03] <sruli> daftykins: i added the rule manually with correct interface name no change, when vpn disconnects, on host it blocks, on VM's it works here is how i added the rule manually, also the output of iptables -L paste.ubuntu.com/14501161
[03:03] <Mr_Cyclops> Xenial is in Alpha stage, final release in April
[03:03] <virgosun> yah my base is 15.10 the I do dist-upgrade
[03:03] <RNeville> thx zykotick9
[03:03] <virgosun> then all uefi gone
[03:03] <daftykins> virgosun: you probably have to recreate an entry with efibootmgr then, to get one back - if nothing boots right now. i can't help with that though as i've never used it
[03:03] <RNeville> I'll write this down zykotick9
[03:03] <virgosun> I have tried efibootmgr from live usb
[03:04] <daftykins> then you must not know how to use it either :)
[03:04] <sruli> daftykins: any ideas?
[03:04] <virgosun> after power on, all disappear
[03:05] <daftykins> sruli: no
[03:05] <virgosun> I use also windows bcdedit, same
[03:05] <daftykins> bcdedit is not wise
[03:05] <virgosun> power off, lost all
[03:05] <daftykins> that doesn't make any sense.
[03:06] <daftykins> i'm sure efibootmgr is the answer, so maybe just dig around a bit more online to work out how to use it effectively
[03:06] <virgosun> now only 1 entry in uefi, which is cdrom
[03:07] <virgosun> I use rEFInd http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/installing.html#linux
[03:07] <virgosun> efibootmgr -c -l \\EFI\\refind\\refind_x64.efi -L rEFInd
[03:08] <virgosun> it show entry created. but again after reboot, all gone
[03:09] <virgosun> or some thig wrong with GPT table
[03:09] <virgosun> all partition still there, gdisk said /dev/sda ok
[03:10] <CinnamonRickRoll> anybody know an alternative to xbacklight? or really anyway to get brightness controls working? (with nvidia gpu)
[03:12] <whiteghost> xrander and  something else cant remember off my head
[03:13] <daftykins> the graphics hardware doesn't really influence the backlight usage, the type of backlight does... what if any, boot parameters have you tried so far?
[03:13] <daftykins> CinnamonRickRoll: ^
[03:13] <daftykins> a common choice is acpi_backlight=vendor
[03:13] <CinnamonRickRoll> i've tried no boot parametres
[03:14] <ChibaPet> CinnamonRickRoll: Worst case, you can whip up a shell script that manipulates /sys for you.
[03:14] <Finetundra> If I wanted to install gnome from the terminal, what would the package name be?
[03:14] <ChibaPet> CinnamonRickRoll: What's wrong with xbacklight?
[03:14] <CinnamonRickRoll> nothing, i've used xbacklight on manjaro and I quite like it
[03:14] <CinnamonRickRoll> it just doesn't work
[03:14] <CinnamonRickRoll> i'm p sure its a known bug
[03:14] <ChibaPet> Hm. I'd grovel through sys then.
[03:14] <ChibaPet> Let me see if I have an example.
[03:14] <CinnamonRickRoll> I found a gui controller in the software centre
[03:15] <CinnamonRickRoll> and I'm gunna try that out, since I don't r know how to do much with terminal (yet)
[03:15] <ChibaPet> Hm, I don't see what I whipped up, but find the backlight controls in /sys and you can do something reasonable.
[03:15] <ChibaPet> ah
[03:15] <CinnamonRickRoll> yep, the gui works for now, but ideally I'd like to be able to bind it to hotkeys
[03:15] <CinnamonRickRoll> like normal brightness adjustment
[03:16] <ChibaPet> CinnamonRickRoll: Make it a project to learn to do it in a shell script. You'll be able to bind that.
[03:16] <daftykins> CinnamonRickRoll: if this is a laptop the standard function keys could likely be made to work depending on what the machine is
[03:16] <CinnamonRickRoll> its a mac book 7,1
[03:16] <daftykins> that's mid 2010 core2duo no?
[03:17] <CinnamonRickRoll> I think so, theres a page on the arch linux wiki which has all the specs, I can check if you'd like
[03:17] <daftykins> no that'll be of no use
[03:17] <CinnamonRickRoll> ok
[03:17] <daftykins> nevermind then, being a mac probably invalidates all my ideas
[03:18] <Bashing-om> !gnome | Finetundra
[03:18] <CinnamonRickRoll> yep, I like OSX, but mac hardware is a pain in the ass
[03:19] <fibes> http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/att-pursues-open-source-canonicals-ubuntu/2016-01-14
[03:21] <RNeville> trying to understand how to use ubottu Bot so I can directly ask ubottu Bot question like "how to use pastebinit" in instruction would be great
[03:21] <ChibaPet> RNeville: /query ubottu
[03:21] <ChibaPet> and talk to it
[03:21] <zykotick9> RNeville: "/msg ubottu foo" then when your already chatting with ubottu, just foo
[03:23] <virgosun> daftykins: i've taled to asus, i'll take it to asus. how do i use smb client to trnsfer my data to windows
[03:24] <daftykins> !samba
[03:24] <RNeville> okay thx zykotick9 and ChibaPet ; I think I'm being to understand
[03:24] <daftykins> virgosun: just boot a desktop session and mount the target using nautilus, then copy and paste
[03:24] <daftykins> no need for CLI usage of smbclient
[03:24] <virgosun> i do boot to live usb and install samba
[03:25] <daftykins> what's the other host running?
[03:25] <daftykins> i'd at least try to load defaults in the EFI before giving up
[03:25] <virgosun> also ubuntu 15.10
[03:26] <virgosun> daftykins: and dual boot win 10
[03:26] <daftykins> hmm. sharing a folder either from 10 or ubuntu then, you could browse to it from this asus
[03:27] <virgosun> no luck, take it to asus, I thank they'll wipe out everything
[03:27] <daftykins> i don't think you even tried that
[03:27] <daftykins> there's 0 reason to install samba on the asus anyway.
[03:28] <ChibaPet> Now, if there were -1 reason, that'd be different.
[03:28] <BradenBraden> morning all
[03:28] <virgosun> dafykins: how do I share folder in ubuntu
[03:29] <CinnamonRickRoll> which shell does ubuntu use?
[03:29] <virgosun> ah. it is downloading samba
[03:29] <sam_yan> Bashing-om: I can not find anything related with gnome-session under lightdm
[03:30] <daftykins> CinnamonRickRoll: BASH
[03:31] <CinnamonRickRoll> thanks, I thought so, just wanted to be sure
[03:31] <BradenBraden> so attempting to do a dist upgrade from Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 to Ubuntu Xenial was a great success (sarcasm)
[03:31] <BradenBraden> borked my entire setup
[03:31] <BradenBraden> lol
[03:33] <virgosun> daftykins: nautilus hang at install additional software libpam-smbpass
[03:34] <daftykins> if you're trying to share from the asus, then that's a bad approach
[03:34] <virgosun> it ask for restart
[03:34] <daftykins> as mentioned, make the asus the client
[03:34] <virgosun> I share from working host
[03:35] <virgosun> how to make asus the client, brow network, nothing
[03:35] <daftykins> ok so then nautilus just needed to browse to it, possibly no packages need installing for that one
[03:35] <RNeville> installed the program "ngspice" using the Ubuntu Software Center
[03:35] <daftykins> no you directly browse to smb://IP/share
[03:35] <RNeville> error message said error in installing ngspice but Ubuntu Software Center now says it is installed
[03:35] <CinnamonRickRoll> anybody familiar with vi?
[03:36] <virgosun> ok thanks I'try after restart
[03:36] <RNeville> yet, I can't seem to run ngspice
[03:36] <daftykins> CinnamonRickRoll: use nano if you can't drive it
[03:36] <dasboot> this is for all Christians, http://bit.ly/1TZ4P7e good loves you all.
[03:36] <daftykins> nice typo
[03:37] <RNeville> It looks like I've got to run it at the command line - thought it would have gui
[03:37] <daftykins> dasboot: unless you have an ubuntu support question, please leave.
[03:37] <daftykins> RNeville: i think someone told you a GUI package name
[03:37] <CinnamonRickRoll> thanks dafty
[03:39] <BradenBraden> daftykins, whats wrong? its nice to know that "good" loves us all xD
[03:39] <arthropododo> just a test message to check if this client works
[03:40] <virgosun> It is able to share, asus still not see the shared
[03:41] <innitrichie> is there a safe tool to migrate an ubuntu desktop to windows 10 keeping all browser settings, downloads, pictures emails, etc. in place?
[03:41] <xangua> innitrichie: backup
[03:42] <daftykins> !test | arthropododo please don't use this channel in future
[03:42] <daftykins> wow they removed the reference to #test
[03:42] <virgosun> ah it sees now
[03:42] <cfhowlett> not to be confused with !testing ...
[03:42] <virgosun> permission denied
[03:43] <innitrichie> yeah i guess i'll have to do that
[03:43] <arthropododo> oh sorry, thanks
[03:43] <innitrichie> i was hoping for a lazyboy method to suck all the data into the right places
[03:44] <BradenBraden> daftykins, i might need your help to refresh my memory. I borked my previous installation so downloaded ubuntu xenial pre-build (need the new kernel). I have wifi up and running easily and I have just installed the NVidia and Intel drivers through the Additional Drivers utility like we did before. Was there anything else that I had to do?
[03:44] <daftykins> innitrichie: that's about as far fetched as the recent news reports claiming Apple were developing a way to convert to android...
[03:44] <virgosun> daftykins: I share as allow other to create
[03:45] <cfhowlett> BradenBraden, xenial?  #ubuntu+1 for support
[03:45] <daftykins> BradenBraden: i don't remember this situation at all
[03:45] <virgosun> but the asus says permission dinied
[03:45] <daftykins> virgosun: that's not english to me
[03:45] <BradenBraden> daftykins, lol ok.
[03:45] <daftykins> but yeah, we don't help with pre-release versions
[03:46] <BradenBraden> its not an issue with pre-release. its just that optimus stuff again
[03:46] <daftykins> yeah but you're using something that isn't out, which means it *is* support for pre-release
[03:46] <BradenBraden> hmm ok
[03:47] <daftykins> as long as it pulled in nvidia-prime you might be ok
[03:47] <daftykins> but i haven't helped anyone with 16.04 since... it's not out :D
[03:47] <virgosun> daftykins: sorry for my english.   from the asus 'password requied for share'
[03:47] <BradenBraden> hehe
[03:47] <daftykins> virgosun: i have no idea what you've set on the share on the other system you hope to copy to
[03:48] <daftykins> i don't tend to share by this method, so i don't know what to say
[03:48] <virgosun> daftykins: i set "guess access"
[03:49] <virgosun> "allow other to delete and create file"
[03:49] <daftykins> guest should come up fine then
[03:50] <virgosun> "failed to mount: permission denied"
[03:51] <daftykins> that's only a result, i can't see what's done to get there
[03:51] <virgosun> do i have to install something on the client
[03:51] <acces> Hello world
[03:54] <daftykins> virgosun: maybe smbfs, if you booted the live session again
[03:56] <virgosun> it said cifs-utils would replace the obsolated smbfs
[03:58] <theweirdn8> so i have a general question about devving for ubuntu
[03:58] <theweirdn8> if im on Arch Linux Distro, if i compile something there
[03:58] <theweirdn8> does it work on ubuntu?
[03:58] <theweirdn8> or do i need ubuntu for ubuntu dev?
[03:58] <daftykins> !channels
[03:59] <daftykins> best to look for a dev channel or research online
[04:01] <bob2017> k1rk? :)
[04:01] <virgosun> i am going to boot to win 10  at host
[04:02] <virgosun> thanks anyway daftykins
[04:03] <whiteghost> ubuntu has bug reported in samba but its medium to fix
[04:03] <cfhowlett> OK ... and?
[04:04] <adrian_1908> fibes: I think it was you who recommended w_scan. I just wanted to report back that it worked flawlessly for me, so keep recommending that!
[04:04] <whiteghost> took me 2 weeks to find way to get it to work
[04:04] <andywork> theweirdn8: no you can keep your dev in arch
[04:05] <andywork> theweirdn8: but ubuntu isn't so bad is it?
[04:08] <andywork> ugh, he left
[04:11] <K1rk> bob2017,
[04:12] <bob2017> hey :)
[04:12] <K1rk> Sup
[04:12] <bob2017> so… what i did was, I reinstalled from scratch, then I chroot’ed in from the livecd, deleted nouveau and rebooted
[04:12] <K1rk> Any progress?
[04:13] <bob2017> *then* it managed to not get stuck on the nvidia card.  on every boot, it would get the screen where it says it can’t configure and its going to low graphics.  but, as soon as that window disappeared, i would get the x cursor, and it would freeze again.  i tried chrooting in again to install fglrx and build an xorg.conf, and it went back to freezing right after the bios screen
[04:13] <bob2017> oh - and *once* i was able to get in, because there was a disk error and i booted into emergency.
[04:14] <daftykins> nouveau never needs deleting
[04:18] <bob2017> k1rk: what do you think?
[04:19] <BradenBraden> what is nouveau anyway?
[04:19] <daftykins> open source grpahics driver for nvidia
[04:19] <daftykins> graphics too
[04:20] <BradenBraden> ah ok
[04:21] <whiteghost> anyone here ever get zoneminder to work properly
[04:24] <gateshwill> whiteghost: does anything ever work properly with linux? :)
[04:25] <daftykins> sure it does, you users just ask too much ^_^
[04:25] <whiteghost> lol ya not always
[04:28] <BradenBraden> seems getting things to work properly with your hardware is the biggest issue. get that sorted and mostly everything else is great
[04:29] <BradenBraden> except for wine. i've only managed to open notepad in wine. lol
[04:29] <daftykins> using wine is a mistake
[04:29] <daftykins> buying the right system to begin with is the trick
[04:30] <BradenBraden> one should have the freedom to use whatever hardware they want, bleeding edge or not.
[04:30] <whiteghost> wine ya  something more to learn
[04:30] <daftykins> BradenBraden: err, tell that to the kernel devs
[04:31] <daftykins> it's an impossibility
[04:31] <BradenBraden> daftykins, how does windows get it right?
[04:31] <whiteghost> lol
[04:32] <daftykins> i think for Windows, the manufacturers talk... but Linux is the guy everyone forgets to call
[04:32] <BradenBraden> shame
[04:33] <whiteghost> windows pays them to make sure it works better on windows
[04:33] <daftykins> doesn't make business sense to cater for the minority.
[04:33] <daftykins> whiteghost: that's a really silly statement
[04:33] <BradenBraden> *nix is growing, especially with things like SteamOS coming along
[04:34] <whiteghost> my 2 cents
[04:34] <ChibaPet> Hey, is there an Ubuntu equivalent to #debian-next, or a mailing list that serves the same purpose?
[04:34] <daftykins> they need their products to work with Windows else they don't have a customer :P
[04:34] <daftykins> anyway this is off topic for this channel :>
[04:34] <daftykins> ChibaPet: what's #debian-next ...
[04:35] <ChibaPet> daftykins: It's the place to go to discuss upcoming versions, and sometimes get support for them.
[04:35] <BradenBraden> no harm in general chit chat if there is nothing going on eh?
[04:35] <daftykins> ChibaPet: #ubuntu+1
[04:35] <ChibaPet> Freenode?
[04:35] <daftykins> BradenBraden: yes there is, go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:35] <daftykins> ChibaPet: yeah...
[04:35] <ChibaPet> ty
[04:36] <BradenBraden> ag does one really have to switch channels just to talk about their massive pimple they just popped?
[04:36] <cfhowlett> ewwww ....
[04:36] <xangua> ChibaPet: yes, please
[04:36] <daftykins> BradenBraden: yes.
[04:36] <BradenBraden> lol fine!
[04:36] <daftykins> BradenBraden: them's the rules and channel policy, if you fight it you just become an ass to be quite honest
[04:37] <ChibaPet> xangua: I don't understand...?
[04:37] <BradenBraden> im not one to be an ass :3
[04:37] <cfhowlett> good.  so it's agreed that we are now returning to the channel topic: ubuntu support.
[04:38] <whiteghost> ok bye getting to serious now
[04:38] <daftykins> excellent.
[04:38] <BradenBraden> oh my soul I swear, these graphics issues are gonna drive me up the wall
[04:39] <wahyu> hi guys
[04:41] <welovfree> Hello guys
[04:42] <welovfree> where can find all the things I installed using the 'apt-get' command?
[04:42] <daftykins> why?
[04:42] <welovfree> daftykins: to get rid of some of them
[04:43] <daftykins> there's not really anything that tells you "since install, you added these"
[04:43] <daftykins> so you'll have to be a bit more specific
[04:43] <welovfree> daftykins: I don't remember all of them by names I used when I installed them
[04:44] <daftykins> right, so maybe by use
[04:44] <welovfree> daftykins: I installed some desktop environments
[04:44] <cfhowlett> welovfree, there is a command sequence to read your logs sorted by date.  everything after your initial installation would be either updates or manually selected.  sadly, I don't have the exact command handy
[04:45] <daftykins> you're being way too vague.
[04:45] <welovfree> daftykins: why vague?
[04:45] <daftykins> wow are you serious
[04:45] <daftykins> maybe "history | grep install" will help.
[04:45] <ChibaPet> welovfree: dpkg -l
[04:45] <Guest81696> Hi, i have a question regading ssh .. if some provide me  " ~$ rasp-ssh code-staging2 " then how can i connect with him
[04:46] <cfhowlett> daftykins, what ... whoa!  nice one!  I'll have to read more on this comand
[04:46] <nareshnk> Hi, i have a question regading ssh .. if some provide me  " ~$ rasp-ssh code-staging2 " then how can i connect with him
[04:47] <welovfree> daftykins: thank you that was all I needed!
[04:47] <daftykins> nareshnk: that's useless
[04:47] <nareshnk> means.. What i need from him ?
[04:47] <nareshnk> he is saying "  you should be able to ssh in to view files and database "
[04:47] <daftykins> a hostname, a port number, a username and a password.
[04:47] <nareshnk> daftykins, he is saying " you should be able to ssh in to view files and database "
[04:48] <daftykins> you didn't need to repeat that.
[04:48] <barkinelf> welovfree: dpkg -l
[04:48] <barkinelf> er
[04:48] <barkinelf> heh
[04:48] <daftykins> barkinelf: useless if you followed the users request.
[04:48] <nareshnk> ok .. so tthat's useless so i need  a hostname, a port number, a username and a password
[04:49] <bob2017> k1rk: any other ideas?  I’m about to try to install the server version, and hope that switching to desktop isn’t too bad once its running
[04:50] <daftykins> nareshnk: is there a reason you repeat everything you are told?
[04:50] <nareshnk> no just for confirmation
[04:51] <chicken_noodle_s> Hello.
[04:52] <chicken_noodle_s> hello.
[04:52] <welovfree> to uninstall I can use "sudo apt-get remove package_name" this command should do the job?
[04:53] <daftykins> yes.
[04:57] <welovfree> daftykins: thank you for your time
[04:57] <welovfree> daftykins: :)
[05:03] <BradenBraden> should one always aim to have the latest nvidia drivers installed or is there merit in going with an older version?
[05:09] <K1rk> BradenBraden, generally I try to stay cutting edge with updates, but updates can also introduce bugs.
[05:11] <K1rk> BradenBraden, I would think staying bleeding edge with nVidia drivers is most important for gamers not as much so for casual users.
[05:12] <BradenBraden> right. not so much into the gaming on *nix though. thats why I have dual-boot setup
[05:12] <K1rk> BradenBraden, in general on Linux I've had many issues with drivers fixed by updates, and I have had far less experiences with new bugs in that area, personally.
[05:13] <BradenBraden> by default, additional drivers offer me 352 but they dont seem to work properly. wondering if I should try something else instead
[05:13] <K1rk> How exactly aren't they working?
[05:13] <daftykins> there's newer and older, but it depends what's going on
[05:13] <K1rk> BradenBraden, on this machine I'm running 346.72
[05:14] <beepie> !dpkg
[05:14] <BradenBraden> when the nvidia card is selected, the login screen is just black. i have to run prime-select intel when in recovery mode to get my UI back
[05:15] <daftykins> one of my fellow volunteers says 352 does that, best to go for 346 if possible
[05:16] <BradenBraden> ok. and i just do that with apt-get purge nvidia* && apt-get install nvidia-prime nvidia-346  right?
[05:16] <K1rk> 346 been very stable for me
[05:16] <daftykins> only if -346 exists
[05:16] <daftykins> which is best to confirm before throwing commands around
[05:17] <BradenBraden> I saw commands just like that for 331
[05:17] <daftykins> yes but the package has to exist
[05:17] <BradenBraden> yes. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:17] <daftykins> i think you're missing the point :)
[05:17] <BradenBraden> oh?
[05:18] <beepie> BradenBraden, maybe you should disable kms (it's a common problem with nvidia)
[05:18] <daftykins> no, this is optimus
[05:20] <BradenBraden> is running "apt install" the same as "apt-get install" ?
[05:20] <daftykins> close enough to not matter
[05:20] <BradenBraden> if i had known, i could have saved myself 4 keystrokes for years now lol
[05:20] <daftykins> it's a recent thing.
[05:21] <BradenBraden> oh ok
[05:22] <BradenBraden> brb, gotta drop the kids off at the pool
[05:23] <daftykins> that was inappropriate
[05:34] <tuonik> hi, i encrypted my whole computer and i cant remember the passphrase (stupid me) is there any way to open it or maybe install a new operating system? thanks.
[05:34] <K1rk> tuonik, if you just want to erase everything you could just use DD to write 0's to the drive lol
[05:34] <K1rk> What did you encrypt it with?  LUKS?
[05:35] <tuonik> yes
[05:35] <tuonik> i did it a while back an i hacent used it after that
[05:36] <daftykins> so does any data matter?
[05:36] <K1rk> tuonik, I doubt you can recover it without the passphrase.  That's kind of the point.
[05:36] <tuonik> no. i would just like to use it.
[05:36] <daftykins> yeah so just wipe it and start again as K1rk said
[05:36] <K1rk> tuonik, if the data doesn't matter just do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX" where /dev/sdX is the block device.
[05:36] <K1rk> That will write all 0's to the drive
[05:36] <K1rk> Then you can partition it again and start over:)
[05:37] <daftykins> that should've had a bs=2M on the end at least
[05:37] <daftykins> else it'd take forever
[05:37] <tuonik> well im not a wizard with the computers so how can i do that :)
[05:38] <K1rk> tuonik, boot into a live CD or something, run the command from a terminal.
[05:38] <ChibaPet> tuonik: You should be able to simply reinstall without wiping the drive first.
[05:38] <ChibaPet> Wiping the drive will serve little purpose but will take a very long time.
[05:38] <XATRIX> Hi guys, i have a trouble. As long as i see my sysctl commands, which are in /etc/sysctl.conf doesn't want to be applied on boot.
[05:38] <daftykins> yeah wiping serves no purpose here
[05:39] <XATRIX> net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1
[05:39] <XATRIX> net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6 = 1
[05:39] <tuonik> that simple... okay i will try that. thanks guys.
[05:39] <XATRIX> After the system start i see some IPv6 traffic, and interface options on
[05:39] <XATRIX> If i do sysctl -p then IPv6 gets disabled
[05:40] <tuonik> k1rk: can u tell me the command to erase the whole PC?
[05:40] <daftykins> you were told it
[05:40] <bob2017> k1rk? :)
[05:40] <ChibaPet> tuonik: You don't need to erase the whole PC, at all.
[05:40] <K1rk> Hi bob2017
[05:40] <ChibaPet> tuonik: Just run the installer again.
[05:41] <tuonik> ok. :)
[05:41] <bob2017> k1rk: i just tried ubuntu server cd - exactly the same result.  no change at all.
[05:41] <K1rk> bob2017, wow the ubuntu server cd is having graphics driver issues on your machine???
[05:41] <ChibaPet> bob2017: Can you describe your issue again?
[05:42] <bob2017> k1rk: the cd itself runs fine, but on boot the machine freezes at the same time every time.  we’ve inferred that its graphics driver, and part of it was definitely graphics driver, but we’re not 100% confident of that
[05:42] <K1rk> bob2017, have you tried nox2apic?
[05:43] <K1rk> bob2017, I am starting to think this may not be a driver issue with the graphics.
[05:43] <BradenBraden> back.
[05:43] <K1rk> bob2017, do you remember how to add kernel options to your GRUB?
[05:44] <K1rk> bob2017, this is reminding me of an issue on my ThinkPad w520 where the system would not consistently boot after install.  I fixed it by adding "nox2apic" to my kernel parameters.
[05:44] <bob2017> chibapet: I am not able to boot into either GUI or CLI, ever. livecd works fine.  One the first boot after install, I get a “low graphics mode” dialog but its never able to launch a terminal or any graphics mode.  On subsequent boots, after the bios screen, i get a black screen with a few very thing purple verticle stripes, and it always freezes there.  the machine has two video cards, an nvidia and an amd.  examination of logs 
[05:44] <bob2017> can boot into mac os on the same machine) showed that it kept trying ot use the nvidia card even though all the monitors are on the amd.  in one experiment, chrooting in from livecd, i was able to remove nouveau and remake initrd.  then, it would give me the low graphics mode screen on every bood.  fbcon=map:1 will give me some text display during boot.
[05:45] <bob2017> k1rk: i’m not using grub.  its a mac os x dual boot, with rEFInd
[05:45] <K1rk> bob2017, oh no matter do you know how to add kernel parameters? :)
[05:45] <bob2017> k1rk: well we know *part* of it was video, or at least something with the nouveau driver was a symptom of something deeper, but yeah
[05:46] <bob2017> k1rk: yes, however they seem to be ignored.  i’ve tried parameters text, single, emergency, gfxpayload=text, etc.   the only one that seemed to even be noticed was fbcon=map:1
[05:46] <K1rk> bob2017, it's really a shot in the dark but I would like you to try nox2apic kernel parameter.
[05:46] <K1rk> bob2017, please reference my thread from 2012:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2044699
[05:47] <bob2017> yeah i’m googling about it… but i want to see if there are any other ideas
[05:47] <bob2017> maybe folks want to see the log?
[05:47] <ChibaPet> bob2017: Hm. Tricky having the two cards. Something to consider would be trying to tell X (through xorg.conf possibly) to use a particular card. I'm not sure how to specify that off the top of my head.
[05:47] <bob2017> k1rk: i’m not saying i won’t try it, i just want to collect a bunch of options to try together
[05:47] <K1rk> bob2017, I'm really quite shocked I didn't think about this last night because it is exactly the same problem.  I guess I had forgotten about it.
[05:48] <K1rk> bob2017, it might also be worth trying the kernel parameter "noacpi"
[05:49] <K1rk> bob2017, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Common_Kernel_Options
[05:49] <bob2017> chibapet: yes i tried that by chrooting in.  first i disabled nouveau and rebuilt initrd.  this was k1rk’s idea.  it allowed the boot to progress further and the log showed the right card was being selected. to try to get it even furhter, i chrooted in and tried switching the graphics driver and building an xorg.conf with amdinit (or whatever its called).
[05:49] <K1rk> On that list I see "noapic".  I am not sure the distinction between noapic and nox2apic.
[05:49] <bob2017> k1rk: i’m looking at that discussion and that’s describing what’s definitely a different issue
[05:49] <bob2017> that’s a blinking cursor or purple screen
[05:49] <bob2017> i don’t even get a blinking curser
[05:49] <bob2017> and the screen never manages to get purple
[05:50] <K1rk> bob2017, I thought you got to a cursor last night?
[05:50] <bob2017> k1rk: when i got a cursor, it wouldn’t even blink though
[05:50] <K1rk> bob2017, this was also 3 years ago, stuff might have changed in the boot process in that time.  In fact, since it's systemd now, I guarantee you stuff changed.
[05:50] <K1rk> Doesn't mean it's not the same problem
[05:51] <K1rk> bob2017, I had to carry my "nox2apic" fix in to Linux Mint Debian as well to keep my laptop working.
[05:51] <bob2017> k1rk: sure, but the other system there was a freeze at starting udevd.  mine always gets past that - i see it in the log.  when i’ve seen log during boot, i also see udevd go up.  but usually even though it starts, i don’t *see* it start because there’s nothing on the monitor
[05:52] <bob2017> any thoughts?  anyone?  :(
[05:53] <yetitwo> hey all
[05:53] <bob2017> isn’t there supposed to be “official support” for the server install?
[05:53] <K1rk> heh
[05:53] <yetitwo> does anyone have experience with mount.cifs troubleshooting?
[05:53] <beepie> bob2017, that sounds sudo^canonical
[05:53] <ChibaPet> bob2017: I'd hop on a mailing list and ask there. Decent chance a Canonical employee will see and answer, especially given the level of detail you're providing.
[05:54] <bob2017> i shouldn’t use the “technical answer system”? i hate asking on mailing lists…
[05:55] <bob2017> not the forum even, the mailing list?
[05:57] <daftykins> ah it's a mac, yep nope
[05:57] <bob2017> daftykins: huh?
[05:58] <bob2017> chibapet: where is this mysterious mailing list anyway?
[05:58] <daftykins> this system is a mac?
[05:58] <bob2017> beepie:  is there an efficient way of getting to them?
[05:58] <bob2017> dafty: yes.
[05:58] <bob2017> mostly.
[05:58] <daftykins> what does that mean...
[05:58] <bob2017> i guess the motherboard is still apple
[05:58] <BradenBraden> well, nvidia-346 did the same thing. only intel seems to work.
[05:58] <ChibaPet> bob2017: There's a link somewhere off of www.ubuntu.com
[05:59] <daftykins> their EFI does quirky things with hardware, if you install from DVD on some, it causes their BIOS emulation to run (i think) which behaves differently
[05:59] <bob2017> i mean its got two non-apple video cards, 24 GB of RAM, a bunch of non-apple SSD’s, an internal secondary power supply to power the second graphics card, so what’s left of the apple-ness?
[05:59] <bob2017> firmware i guess
[06:00] <daftykins> well we only know what you tell us, so now you've mentioned it's some kind of frankenmacstein - even less likely for things to be working right
[06:00] <BradenBraden> wait... it says I am using 352.. but i purged all of it and explicitly said 346.
[06:00] <daftykins> i think they removed 346 and pointed those package names to 352
[06:01] <bob2017> daftykins: i think i was pretty clear about that the whole time… anyway ubuntu should run on a mac pro 2008.  i
[06:01] <BradenBraden> well aint that just dandy
[06:01] <beepie> BradenBraden, told you 45 minutes ago to "disable kms"
[06:01] <beepie> BradenBraden, :)
[06:01] <daftykins> bob2017: maybe to whoever was around whenever this started, but you can't expect me to immediately know the entire history of your messages on here
[06:01] <BradenBraden> beepie, and where do I find this kms?
[06:01] <beepie> BradenBraden, it's a pita -- intel kms conflicts with nvidia
[06:02] <beepie> BradenBraden, it's a common issue
[06:02] <beepie> !kms
[06:02] <daftykins> beepie: you realise this setup is optimus, right?
[06:02] <beepie> dunno he said 'nvidia' so i immediately asusmed the same
[06:02] <daftykins> newp.
[06:02] <beepie> supposedly as long as intel kms is there -- i'd disable it anyways
[06:02] <daftykins> optimus is the intel+nvidia at the same time hybrid tech
[06:03] <daftykins> i think that's just going to trash more.
[06:03] <BradenBraden> daftykins, well technically its not at the same time. its one or the other with the option to switch. bumblebee is at the same time
[06:03] <daftykins> i'm talking about the hardware, not the specific software implementation you're trying to use
[06:03] <daftykins> i'm typing from an optimus laptop so i kinda know...
[06:03] <BradenBraden> right
[06:03] <BradenBraden> i believe you
[06:04] <beepie> laptops usually don't come with two gfx chips
[06:04] <BradenBraden> the new ones too
[06:04] <BradenBraden> *do
[06:04] <daftykins> beepie: this has been happening for years...
[06:04] <daftykins> please don't give advice when you're unfamiliar
[06:04] <FXpr0> whats the command to mount a usb stick please?
[06:05] <daftykins> depends on the filesystem
[06:05] <FXpr0> debian
[06:05] <daftykins> that's a distro not a filesystem for a flash drive
[06:05] <daftykins> but if you're running debian you shouldn't be in here.
[06:06] <FXpr0> oh.  fat32
[06:06] <FXpr0> ubuntu is based on debian.
[06:06] <beepie> BradenBraden, i also see soemthing about modesetting workarounds over here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus
[06:06] <daftykins> FXpr0: yes, and debian is supported in #debian - cya
[06:06] <FXpr0> and I am about to test an ubuntu distro
[06:07] <BradenBraden> beepie, been to this page before. didnt help much last time
[06:07] <FXpr0> I need to put the thing on a stick and that requires mounting the usb stick for live test
[06:07] <BradenBraden> im just looking at how to downgrade the gfx drivers
[06:08] <daftykins> FXpr0: you don't mount a drive to put an ISO on it
[06:08] <FXpr0> ummm, I am using yumi to do it.  its not a problem in windows.
[06:09] <daftykins> use dd.
[06:09] <FXpr0> what is dd?
[06:09] <daftykins> an image writing program
[06:09] <FXpr0> the YUMI utility you can put multiple distros for testing
[06:09] <daftykins> amongst other things
[06:09] <daftykins> yes i know, i've used it from Windows
[06:10] <FXpr0> for just a single image I use rufus
[06:10] <adiga88> hi every one i am new here and i had some troubleshoot to do
[06:10] <BradenBraden> is there a way I can get Additional Drivers to give me a longer list of options?
[06:10] <daftykins> only by adding a source with more drivers
[06:11] <FXpr0> hmmm, ok so I gonna reboot into windows then and do the image.
[06:16] <BradenBraden> so all these articles talk about xorg.conf but its no longer needed apparently.
[06:18] <ChibaPet> BradenBraden: You can still use it if you need custom config. Like, multimodes for an nVidia card.
[06:18] <BradenBraden> so it appears nvidia 346 is not supported by Wily or Xenial. Only 352 is (and thats probably why I cant install the other ones?)
[06:19] <BradenBraden> or i just need to add the Vernet sources to my list?
[06:22] <BradenBraden> so, found this which has all the drivers in.. cant find the ppa string though.  https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[06:23] <BradenBraden> ah found it
[06:23] <daftykins> yeah under the green link
[06:25] <BradenBraden> I see there is a 361 driver coming soon
[06:27] <BradenBraden> hmm ok, i have a couple more drivers to choose from but they are versions higher than 352 (355 & 361) but they are marked as open source.
[06:28] <hateball> BradenBraden: Is there a reason you are looking for a driver newer than 352?
[06:28] <BradenBraden> hateball, i was actually looking for something older
[06:28] <hateball> Ah
[06:29] <hateball> Well the PPA has 340, which supports old-gen things that were dropped in 346+
[06:29] <BradenBraden> not having much success downgrading though (yet)
[06:30] <BradenBraden> 340 doesnt show up in the list of additional drivers though. i guess i should just do it via cli
[06:31] <hateball> BradenBraden: yes, if you use the PPA you'll need to do that
[06:31] <daftykins> it's for optimus
[06:31] <BradenBraden> hateball, dont know if I need support for old gen things though. not much is "old" in this laptop lol
[06:31] <daftykins> too old and optimus isn't supported
[06:31] <BradenBraden> yea thats what I thought
[06:32] <hateball> So... 352 should work then no?
[06:32] <BradenBraden> having issues with it.. wanna try 346 and see
[06:32] <hateball> 355 is discontinued, but it's what I am using and it's fine. 361 should be fine once 361.18 is packaged
[06:33] <BradenBraden> 340 should be new enough to support optimus?
[06:34] <BradenBraden> hateball, and by 355, you mean the open source version?
[06:35] <hateball> BradenBraden: No, I mean the blob available in the PPA
[06:36] <BradenBraden> not seeing this "blob"
[06:37] <hateball> BradenBraden: apt-get install nvidia-355
[06:37] <hateball> or whatever version you want
[06:38] <BradenBraden> confirm though, that would be the same as going via the additional drivers dialog?
[06:38] <hateball> Yes
[06:38] <bob2017> FYI:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2309975&p=13423382#post13423382
[06:39] <BradenBraden> hateball, right. and I have 355 listed in the add driv dialog but it has (open source) next to it instead of (proprietory)
[06:40] <hateball> BradenBraden: That's odd. To be fair I don't know how that GUI is coded. Maybe it goes crazy when you add the PPA with more drivers than are just in official repos
[06:40] <hateball> If you do it via cli you're at least sure what you're getting
[06:41] <BradenBraden> ok. and you say 361 should be fine onces 361.18 is packaged, but I see it already in the list
[06:42] <daftykins> because it's an early drivers PPA
[06:42] <daftykins> i think you're asking too much and not just getting on with the task
[06:42] <daftykins> which is a simple one
[06:42] <hateball> If you read the page you will see that 352 is the only stable driver there, the rest are beta stuff
[06:42] <BradenBraden> sorry, just learning here lol
[06:42] <adiga88> hi all
[06:42] <adiga88> the load time of all my app take too much about 1-5 minutes depending on the app
[06:43] <adiga88> my system, ubuntu 14.0.4 up to date kernel 3.16.0-57-generic , ram 6 GB , cpu AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 , hard disk 500 GB WD blue , UI Gnome , home folder encryption: yes harddisk encryption: yes
[06:43] <BradenBraden> i am busy running updates on the laptop while i speak though
[06:43] <daftykins> adiga88: 3.16 is the old utopic kernel, as it happens
[06:43] <LegendThinker_> Hey... I flushed my iptables... but now i wanna turn it back to default. how to do sa
[06:43] <daftykins> you have an outdated HWE stack on there
[06:44] <daftykins> iptables has no rules as default
[06:44] <daftykins> encryption, mmm must be a bad setup
[06:45] <LegendThinker_> one app is behaving wierd from that night. cant remember if i did anything else than altering iptables
[06:45] <adiga88> daftykins i didn't understand extract what you mean
[06:46] <adiga88> daftykins yes it was bad choice
[06:47] <daftykins> !hwe
[06:47] <daftykins> 14.04 comes with the 3.13 kernel, but can have a HWE stack which provides the utopic (14.10) kernel v3.16, or the vivid (15.04) kernel v3.19
[06:48] <adiga88> daftykins my system not so new like build it on 2012 and all updates installed
[06:50] <BradenBraden> right so just rebooted after installing the 340 drivers and just before the login screen after showing the splash screen, it shows a black screen with the text:  fsck from util-linux 2.27.1  \n /dev/sda5: clean, ###/### files, ###/### blocks (where ## are numbers)... and it just sits here
[06:50] <daftykins> adiga88: it was just an aside - anyway i'm sure the encryption is to blame
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: ubuntu version and card chipset plz?
[06:51] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: it's your fave optimus :>
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: tnx for the headsup
[06:52] <BradenBraden> lotuspsychje, its a GeForce 950M. running (and here's where im a little out of place... :3) Ubuntu 16.04 (i really needed the new kernel to get my touchpad working but doing a disk upgrade borked my 15.10 install last night)
[06:52] <daftykins> oh you never told me that part
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: can you file a bug in #ubuntu+1 please?
[06:52] <daftykins> you're not supposed to ask in here for 16.04 help you idiot =|
[06:53] <daftykins> i'm sure that has been made clear prior also.
[06:53] <adiga88> daftykins: the kernel upgraded with system update many times but still same slow, and no special upgrade had done
[06:53] <daftykins> adiga88: yeah it was more of an 'aside' comment, i'm not saying it's the reason.
[06:53] <BradenBraden> but this isnt specific to 16.04. Optimus was an issue before too
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: continue in #ubuntu+1 for now please
[06:55] <BradenBraden> its very quiet in there
[06:55] <daftykins> BradenBraden: this channel however, is specific to released versions only - don't try this trick again.
[06:55] <daftykins> being dishonest will bring bad advice
[06:56] <BradenBraden> sorry :3
[06:57] <beepie> daftykins, i think calling other people names is not the way to promote help. I think the idiot is rather you.
[06:58] <daftykins> beepie: try that the next time someone lies to you in order to get help
[06:58] <daftykins> beepie: appreciate you keeping your opinions to yourself in future since you don't know i've been speaking to this one before...
[06:58] <beepie> daftykins, more healthy to not call names though
[06:58] <beepie> daftykins, cuse you sure ain't no 'einstein' either
[06:58] <daftykins> shut up beepie
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> beepie: move on please
[06:58] <BradenBraden> technically i never lied. only been talking about nvidia and ubuntu.
[06:59] <beepie> rude
[06:59] <BradenBraden> but yea, not an excuse
[06:59] <beepie> carry on
[07:00] <adiga88> daftykins: i think the encryption has major impact on the slow down, but i cant verifies it
[07:00] <daftykins> i don't know anything about encrypted setups, so can't help you there
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> !encrypt | adiga88 can this help?
[07:01] <adiga88> daftykins: ok thanks
[07:01] <BradenBraden> encrypting the drives during install has in the past given me such headaches, never again. (unless I join Anonymous or something)
[07:02] <adiga88> ubottu: my problem in system slow down and i suspect in the encryption
[07:02] <adiga88> ubottu: :)
[07:07] <jackcom> how can i install brew in ubuntu?
[07:07] <CinnamonRickRoll> is Chibapet (i think thats the right name) around?
[07:08] <BradenBraden> what you need brew for? brew only makes mac have "apt" (in a sense)
[07:08] <BradenBraden> i presume you talking about homebrew
[07:09] <jackcom> yeah
[07:09] <nikolam> Hi, Anyone using Pidgin with Gmail.com ? Is your certificate (Tools>Certificates) how this key certificate and how to check it against issuer? : 6f:d4:95:c1:5e:81:d0:80:44:e3:a4:0d:a6:16:6e:f1:f0:b6:25:b2
[07:09] <nikolam> now
[07:09] <jackcom> i want install  imagemagick
[07:09] <jackcom> brad[]:
[07:09] <jackcom> BradenBraden:
[07:09] <jackcom> how can i do?
[07:10] <ChibaPet> CinnamonRickRoll: Hi, yes. Normally I wouldn't be now, but I am being bad.
[07:10] <BradenBraden> sudo apt install image-magick
[07:10] <BradenBraden> most likely
[07:10] <jackcom> oh
[07:10] <jackcom> thanks
[07:10] <nikolam> jackcom, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:10] <CinnamonRickRoll> Chiba, was it you who suggested I make a projecting of learning shell script?
[07:10] <ChibaPet> CinnamonRickRoll: For your backlight. Yes.
[07:10] <jackcom> thanks nikolam
[07:10] <CinnamonRickRoll> Thanks! Its been really fun
[07:11] <ChibaPet> Programming can be quite a lot of fun. I'm glad you're trying it.
[07:11] <CinnamonRickRoll> but also, what sorta command should I be using in the script in order to do things with the back light?
[07:11] <jackcom> BradenBraden:  Unable to locate package image-magick
[07:11] <jackcom> how can i do?
[07:11] <jackcom> :(
[07:11] <CinnamonRickRoll> I've played around with code a bit before, but I'm picking it up much easier this time
[07:12] <ChibaPet> CinnamonRickRoll: Um, you'll want to read in backlight values, so cat. You'll want expr to do math on it.
[07:12] <BradenBraden> jackcom, imagemagick
[07:12] <CinnamonRickRoll> ah, ok, thanks
[07:12] <jackcom> yes imagemagick
[07:12] <BradenBraden> yes, imagemagick
[07:12] <BradenBraden> apt install
[07:13] <BradenBraden> double press tab to get a list of packages and autocomplete
[07:13] <jackcom> sudo apt install image-magick
[07:13] <CinnamonRickRoll> I was wondering if it'd be done with setpci, since i did something with that earlier and my screen went all weird so i had to force shut down
[07:13] <ChibaPet> CinnamonRickRoll: When I did it, I found the right /sys bits, read them in, did math to map the range to 1..100, and took a percentage number from the person running the script.
[07:13] <jackcom> sudo apt install image-magick  BradenBraden
[07:13] <ChibaPet> Just cat and math will do it.
[07:13] <CinnamonRickRoll> alright, cool, thanks a tonne
[07:13] <BradenBraden> jackcom, no -
[07:13] <jackcom> then?
[07:13] <BradenBraden> imagemagick!!
[07:13] <BradenBraden> lol
[07:14] <nikolam> I am looking for a way to chain-load GRUB1 on second disk, form GRUB2 on where I installed Xubuntu. When I start newly recognized Windows instalaltion on second disk,during  installgrub, it boots but pops up error and not starting windows. So I want to chainload GRUB1 on second disk from This first disk where Ubuntu instalaltion is.
[07:14] <jackcom> member:identifier:bradenbraden
[07:14] <jackcom> :
[07:14] <jackcom> sudo apt install image-magick
[07:15] <CinnamonRickRoll> isn't it "apt-get install"
[07:15] <CinnamonRickRoll> :)
[07:15] <ChibaPet> apt works too
[07:15] <CinnamonRickRoll> ah, good to know
[07:15] <BradenBraden> oh boy
[07:16] <BradenBraden> jackcom, "sudo apt-get install imagemagic"  (without the quotes.. and this text in the brackets)
[07:16] <BradenBraden> jackcom, "sudo apt-get install imagemagick"  (without the quotes.. and this text in the brackets) (and with the missing k)
[07:16] <nikolam> I tries adding menu item for chanload in /etc/grub.d/40_custom but won't work
[07:17] <shinigami> hi
[07:17] <jackcom> lol
[07:17] <CinnamonRickRoll> kira...
[07:17] <jackcom> always changed when you write
[07:17] <jackcom> BradenBraden:
[07:17] <shinigami> jackom:agent k
[07:18] <OerHeks> apt install works, but apt autoremove not :-)
[07:19] <shinigami> hi guys i have set LD_LIBRARY_PATH in one of the file and is unble to locate it
[07:19] <OerHeks> nikolam, did you perform sudo update-grub after that???
[07:19] <jackcom> sudo gem install gruff   <—— i can’t do it. BradenBraden
[07:19] <BradenBraden> jackcom, told your about the tab auto-complete. nikolam gave you the link to the packages for ubuntu. you had all you needed to get the right spelling
[07:20] <CinnamonRickRoll> perhaps write it out in full so they can copy/paste?
[07:20] <nikolam> OerHeks, yeah and it won't boot that way when I select windows. Presumably because I have another dual-boot with GRUB1 and 2 partitions on that second disk
[07:20] <jackcom> :(
[07:20] <nikolam> So betterw ould be to chain-load that Grub1 from second disk instead
[07:21] <OerHeks> nikolam, oh, grub 1 and grub 2, chainloading? not my piece of cake
[07:21] <nikolam> well, booting form one, then choosing another and boot from another. Chainload is what Windows boot from Grub2 does to boot windows,anyway.
[07:25] <CinnamonRickRoll> I'm no expert (far from it actually), but I was playing around with grub2 for a while, and although I wasn't looking for them, I'm pretty sure I saw some guides online that might help solve your problem
[07:25] <CinnamonRickRoll> but, as I said, I know very little about the issue
[07:26] <nikolam> OerHeks, probably if I do "repair" in windows, I would loose boot loader for linux and maybe that Grub1 loader on secon disk too and I will need to repair dual boot from Ubuntu liveDvd and that I will be able to dual-boot. But I need to triple-boot with that system on second partition on second drive that requires Grub1 on second drive.
[07:27] <nikolam> ok, will search further I probably have not set right disk designation fro chainload
[07:28] <OerHeks> grub1 is so old, it must be an other linux than ubuntu, no?
[07:31] <CinnamonRickRoll> earlier niko said it was xubuntu (I think)
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> sounds like someone needs a fresh install
[07:31] <elg0d0> Hello
[07:31] <elg0d0> I'm a nigger
[07:33] <hexhaxtron> What do you think of selling copies of Ubuntu in the streets? Holding a card like: Linux Ubuntu £10 + Free Support
[07:33] <hexhaxtron> Is this a good idea?
[07:34] <OerHeks> hexhaxtron, yeah, you push them to us for support and keep the money?
[07:34] <hexhaxtron> OerHeks, exactly!
[07:35] <OerHeks> you are allowed to ask a fee for burning a dvd/usb, but 10 is a bit much, isn't it?
[07:35] <hexhaxtron> I think I could sell it for £5.
[07:35] <OerHeks> print at least the ubuntu manual then.
[07:35] <OerHeks> !manual
[07:35] <Ben64> pretty sure you need authorization from canonical to sell ubuntu
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah i wouldnt sell 'free' Os neither
[07:37] <OerHeks> go bing on selling the iso, there are companies that do that for $0.75 :-D
[07:41] <CinnamonRickRoll> lol wow
[07:47] <CinnamonRickRoll> how to find bashrc?
[07:49] <poutine> I've yet to find a person who loves bash who doesn't like zsh better after using it
[07:51] <lleweldyn> so this flexihub thing is interesting use using this http://www.noobslab.com/2016/01/flexihub-access-and-manage-remote-usb.html
[07:51] <PowerKiller> I like BASH better
[07:51] <PowerKiller> ZSH is like incomplete to me
[07:51] <PowerKiller> CinnamonRickRoll: BASHRC is ~/.bashrc
[07:52] <CinnamonRickRoll> thanks!
[07:52] <CinnamonRickRoll> much appreciated
[07:59] <lleweldyn> so just curious how many of you are using btrfs
[08:03] <BradenBraden> so im trying to install LTS now on my laptop. Wifi doesnt work cos of a Hard Block so have my phone connected and tethered but in the setup screen, it only wants me to select a wifi network. how can i tell it to use the "wired connection"?
[08:05] <Ben64> BradenBraden: you don't need internet to install
[08:06] <BradenBraden> I know but I was recommended to have it to have ubuntu get the right drivers and such straight up
[08:07] <BradenBraden> never mind
[08:07] <Ben64> not sure if you can tether for internet like that, or maybe use "try ubuntu" to set that up, then run the installer
[08:07] <BradenBraden> i skipped wifi and it shows connected anyway
[08:09] <BradenBraden> ohboy
[08:09] <BradenBraden> you know when you put in your name it generates a computer name for you?
[08:10] <CinnamonRickRoll> yeah?
[08:10] <hateball> BradenBraden: restricted drivers arent installed during install anyhow
[08:10] <BradenBraden> mine put in "braden-SMBIOS-implementations-newer-than-version-2-8-are-not-fully-supported-by-this-version-of-dmidecode-K501UK"
[08:10] <Ben64> hateball: yes they are
[08:10] <CinnamonRickRoll> lol
[08:11] <BradenBraden> wtf does that mean?? lol
[08:11] <hateball> Ben64: Is that so? I don't recall that being the case for me. Perhaps that's changed since last I did a clean install then
[08:11] <hateball> iirc it only offers to pull in language packs and various media codecs etc
[08:11] <CinnamonRickRoll> it stands for: laughing out loud, I was using it to acknowledge the humourous aspect of your story
[08:11] <BradenBraden> no man, what does all that dmidecode stuff mean lol
[08:12] <Ben64> hateball: when i installed 14.04, it installed nvidia for me, was nice
[08:12] <hateball> Ben64: I see, good to know
[08:12] <CinnamonRickRoll> lol ah, my bad :)
[08:13] <wyhwyh> Are there some one
[08:13] <CinnamonRickRoll> anybody know how to get Linux Dialogue Utility on ubuntu?
[08:14] <CinnamonRickRoll> all good, i got it
[08:18] <topi`> any old hats who still remember how to debug the upstart in Trusty?
[08:18] <topi`> I'm having a lot of problems trying to get my custom daemon to start via a .conf file and no idea *why* it doesn't start at boot but starts via manual means
[08:19] <topi`> oh, and the same .conf file works in another Trusty setup which is very similar
[08:23] <wyhwyh> how to use Chinese input method?
[08:37] <BradenBraden> from a fresh install, can upgrading the kernel manually end in catastrophe?
[08:38] <OerHeks> BradenBraden, you are on .. 16.04 ?
[08:38] <BradenBraden> no. busy installing LTS
[08:39] <BradenBraden> 8th install of nix this week
[08:40] <BradenBraden> just taking ages cos ubuntu feels like downloading the entire chinese language first
[08:40] <OerHeks> you can upgrade the kernel from mainline, but note: The mainline kernels builds are produced for debugging purposes and therefore come with no support. Use them at your own risk.
[08:40] <BradenBraden> sure. but mainline are considered stable right?
[08:41] <OerHeks> no.
[08:41] <BradenBraden> oh. thought that was what was meant by the "main" line lol
[08:42] <BradenBraden> theoretically though, 14.04 should be able to run on, say, kernel 4.3?
[08:43] <rww> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[08:43] <rww> (first paragraph)
[08:44] <BradenBraden> yea im on that page and have read that. i just dont know how else to get 4.3 (its the only version so far that has allowed my touchpad to work)
[08:44] <DJJeff> lol syslog Denial of Service..... EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:44] <DJJeff> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/234223560/JournalErrors.txt
[08:45] <DJJeff> that would probley keep going until disk is full
[08:45] <DJJeff> lucky I killed network-manager
[08:45] <DJJeff> lol fail is fail is fail is fail
[08:45] <DJJeff> lennart and systemd strike again and again and again and again
[08:46] <DJJeff> was filling up logs at the rate of 1MB per second
[08:48] <omnik5569> Hello to all! We have interesting situation with int8. Look here: http://pastebin.com/Lyh22dur Is anyone can explain why this happens?
[08:48] <DJJeff> bug filled https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dnsmasq/+bug/1534501
[08:48] <omnik5569> oh, sorry, wrong channel :)
[08:49] <Kardos> ;)
[08:52] <llldino> DJJeff, Have you done an apt-get update /upgrade recently? Debian pushed one either today or yesterday that had something to do with dnsmasq
[08:52] <DJJeff> I am all up2date
[08:52] <DJJeff> its probley the latest update that CAUSED this not SOLVED it
[08:53] <llldino> Perhaps
[08:53] <DJJeff> as I only noticed the problem after I just rebooted about 1 hour ago
[08:54] <DJJeff> still funny to watch syslogs fill up at 1MB per second with dnsmasq errors
[08:54] <DJJeff> so lolsy
[08:54] <llldino> Hope your /var is on it's own partition
[08:54] <DJJeff> hello rate limiting please.......... 1 of the same error messages per hour 2 tops
[08:55] <DJJeff> not lets just fill up this poor idiots syslogs till his disk is full
[08:55] <DJJeff> thats like so fail it deserves to be put on defcons fail panel
[08:56] <DJJeff> ubuntu DDoS its own users by not rate limiting the number of errors 1 package can put per hour
[08:56] <llldino> You're joking right?
[08:57] <Dirkos> Is this size big enough?
[08:57] <Dirkos>  /dev/sdc2       237M  160M   65M  72% /boot
[08:57] <Dirkos> Since everytime i cannot install updates on my ubuntu system due to the fact my disk is full again
[08:57] <llldino> That's why it's advised that you mount /var on it's own partition, to avoid filling your disk as a result of bugs
[08:57] <DJJeff> # ls -alh /var/log/syslog
[08:57] <DJJeff> -rw-r----- 1 syslog adm 340M Jan 15 00:52 /var/log/syslog
[08:58] <llldino> Also, I found this:First, make sure that /etc/resolv.conf is still a symbolic link to ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf. edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf and comment out the line "dns=dnsmasq". Third, reboot."
[08:58] <DJJeff> that was ~50M after boot
[08:58] <OerHeks> Dirkos, remove some old kernels > sudo apt-get autoremove
[08:58] <Dirkos> OerHeks: it doesnt remove anything
[08:58] <DJJeff> llldino: please state your source of that information please
[08:59] <llldino> DJJeff, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1048430
[08:59] <OerHeks> Dirkos, oh? what error do you get then?
[08:59] <Dirkos> Wait let me paste something
[08:59] <OerHeks> !paste
[08:59] <DJJeff> llldino: that bug was reported back in 2012? how is it relevant here
[08:59] <llldino> DJJeff, Same type of error
[09:00] <OerHeks> Sebastien, turn off that script, please
[09:00] <DJJeff> sad sad thats just sad
[09:00] <llldino> Did you even read the first post? It looks exactly like your syslog
[09:00] <Dirkos> OerHeks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14503387/
[09:01] <Dirkos> All steps i tried etc
[09:02] <JimWang> hello
[09:02] <DJJeff> regardless of the bug nothing should fill up syslogs at a rate of 1MB/sec with repeated information thats just shooting yourself in the foot
[09:03] <DJJeff> and super funny to boot
[09:03] <OerHeks> Dirkos, not sure how to fix that :-(
[09:03] <Dirkos> Someone else who does? Seems it has dependecy problems with old kernels that are not running
[09:04] <llldino> Just make a symlink from syslog to /dev/null ;D
[09:05] <DJJeff> ok that fixes my machine but what about joe blow down the street
[09:05] <DJJeff> I would need to fix his too in the same manor
[09:05] <llldino> Have you restarted your computer at all since this has been happening?
[09:06] <DJJeff> fuck it I am done
[09:06] <DJJeff> already said that it started happening AFTER I rebooted and not before
[09:06] <llldino> Did you try rebooting again?
[09:06] <llldino> Did you read or do anything in that bug report I sent you?
[09:07] <llldino> Instead of complaining about it, why not try taking steps to actually fix the problem instead of whining about how Ubuntu is DDoSing your syslog
[09:08] <DJJeff> my point is......... even with the fact that its broken it should NOT be filling up syslogs at an alarming rate of 1MB/sec
[09:08] <DJJeff> with the same messages repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over again
[09:09] <DJJeff> I could not give a fuck that its broken thats fine I like fixing things but filling up syslogs in this manor is just fucked up
[09:09] <DJJeff> end rant
[09:10] <wyhwyh> reinstall system
[09:10] <BrazenBraden> Switch to Knoppix
[09:11] <OerHeks> no use to post that here, BrazenBraden
[09:11] <BrazenBraden> twas making a joke :/
[09:12] <BrazenBraden> i have nothing left to do but make jokes while I reinstall for the 9th time
[09:13] <wyhwyh> I have reinstalled for 6 times in one day
[09:13] <wyhwyh> and try to install other distributions
[09:15] <gateshwill> wyhwyh: try windows 10 it just works all the time
[09:15] <OerHeks> If you have no support question, move the chit chat to #ubuntu-offtopic, thanks
[09:17] <CinnamonRickRoll> anybody fluent in shell scripts?
[09:17] <CinnamonRickRoll> (thats willing to look at a thing and tell me why its not working)
[09:17] <llldino> CinnamonRickRoll, All the guys in #bash usually are
[09:18] <CinnamonRickRoll> thanks, I'll go check that out then
[09:19] <BrazenBraden> well, clearly upgrading to a mainline kernel is a good way to freeze up everything.
[09:19]  * BrazenBraden finds an old rusty blade
[09:25] <ashleyhindle> Hi - is there a time limit in Ubuntu 14.04 for TCP connections without data? I'm opening a connection to a server on port 11960, then not sending it data for 6 hours - but once I do it should be received, but currently it's not
[09:25] <ashleyhindle> I think the problem lies with the server provider, and not our app or Ubuntu
[09:32] <topi`> is dnsmasq still broken in newer Ubuntus? at least in Trusty it is unusable
[09:40] <nitesh`> Hello All
[09:41] <nitesh`> How do I find the right repo link for a particular ubuntu version?
[09:41] <nitesh`> so that apt-get install works seemeless
[09:41] <OerHeks> for what ubuntu version?
[09:41] <ubuntu770> I am trying out on 1604
[09:42] <OerHeks> ubuntu770, join #ubuntu+1 for 16.04 untill release
[09:43] <Muh2> Hi, is there a tool for doing Ubuntu translation offline?
[09:43] <nitesh`> OerHeks: Thnx
[09:48] <BrazenBraden> good news, updating from kernel 4.2 to 4.3 on 15.10 worked like a charm
[09:50] <rilleh> Anyone had any experience installing HP SPP through apt-get?
[09:50] <rilleh> I know that some hp software is available in the upstream kernel, but that doesn't seem to be the case with the SPP
[09:52] <nitesh`> where is the repo list in ubuntu? My  /etc/apt/sources.list seems to be empty
[09:53] <TJ-> nitesh`: that's the main list for the Ubuntu sources; 3rd-party sources are usually installed under /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[09:53] <caitlinb> Hi everyone, I’m trying to get an install up with btrfs and whole disk encryption. honestly I don’t understand where lvm would or would not fit into that picture. Is there a recent guide anyone can point me at? I’m struggling.
[09:54] <TJ-> caitlinb: encrpytion and LVM are orthoganol; not related.
[09:55] <nitesh`> TJ: My ubuntu 1604 does not have apt directory in /etc
[09:56] <OerHeks> nitesh`, you can only see the content as root
[09:57] <nitesh`> OerHeks: I am the root
[09:57] <caitlinb> TJ, I suppose I mean to say that i don’t automagically require lvm to feature
[09:57] <TJ-> nitesh`: Then something is very wrong with the installation
[09:57] <nitesh`> [root@localhost etc]# ls apt
[09:57] <nitesh`> ls: cannot access apt: No such file or directory
[09:58] <TJ-> caitlinb: well, creating a LUKS/dm_crypt protected block-device container is as simple as "cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdXY" (or /dev/VG/LV if using LVM) :)
[09:59] <TJ-> nitesh`: how about "ls /etc/apt/"
[09:59] <caitlinb> so i should be able to install an lvm ext4 vanilla install, pivot it to btrfs and then luks it?
[10:00] <TJ-> caitlinb: I have separately encrypted /boot/ and VG block-devices; in my case, the raw disk partitions themselves rather than btrfs sub-volumes or whatever
[10:01] <TJ-> caitlinb: not sure about the pivot; it'd be easier to manually prepare it during the installation phase and then point the installer at the unlocked file-systems, and then post-install fix-up the /etc/crypttab so it auto-unlocks at boot time
[10:01] <nitesh`> TJ: [root@localhost /]# ls /etc/apt/
[10:01] <nitesh`> ls: cannot access /etc/apt/: No such file or directory
[10:02] <TJ-> nitesh`: how did you install 16.04 on that system? It's very broken if /etc/apt/ is missing
[10:02] <nitesh`> TJ: Oh. This means the installation is broken
[10:05] <EriC^^> type cat /etc/issue
[10:05] <EriC^^> nitesh`:
[10:05] <nitesh`> ok
[10:06] <Moonchild> Hallo
[10:07] <Moonchild> Kann mir bitte jemand bei der installation von ubuntu 14.04.2 auf powermac helfen
[10:08] <EriC^^> !germany
[10:10] <nitesh`> I restarted the guest, and can see now /etc/apt/ .  Kind of weird..
[10:11] <Moonchild> Danke
[10:17] <nitesh`> TJ: I need to update my repo list i.e.  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ but for xenial(UBuntu1604). So I asked on #ubuntu+1 and got a reply stating to just copy the repo list from other UBuntu and replace that ubuntu's version name with xenial. However I dont have any other ubuntu system to copy paste from. Any way to get it then?
[10:18] <rory> nitesh`: http://rory.sh/sources.list this is for 14.04
[10:21] <TJ-> nitesh`: there's always an example sources.list, it's at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[10:21] <PowerKiller> can I integrate a PPAPI Flash player that I found with Chromium
[10:22] <crispy_beef> Hey, got an issue with boot... it's  "raid > encrypted > lvm" on 15.10 with btrfs root filesystem, I can chroot into the env from a live CD, this used to work, but on boot cannot. /boot is on it's own unencrypted drive. Am sure I am 99% there but getting root cannot be found after grub.
[10:32] <TJ-> crispy_beef: that suggests the initial ramdisk is missing some support
[10:33] <pepie34> I've got a lot fo problem with key authentication since yesterday ssh update
[10:36] <crispy_beef> TJ-: added -v to update-initramfs when in the chroot, all the modules seem to get added, but there is one issue that makes me think it is the problem with the recovery... "cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab"
[10:37] <TJ-> crispy_beef: right, so cryptsetup doesn't get installed
[10:37] <crispy_beef> Which makes sense as it's a chroot and the volumes in fstab won't match
[10:39] <TJ-> crispy_beef: the fstab entries should use UUIDs of the file-systems
[10:41] <crispy_beef> TJ-: Yeah they were the mapper entries, gonna switch the to UUIDs now and try again
[10:42] <angel_> exit
[10:42] <crispy_beef> TJ-: Any idea if I should use the main UUID or the btrfs subvolume one?
[10:42] <TJ-> crispy_beef: when you update-intramfs -v ... you need to see /sbin/cryptsetup copied *and* a generated conf/conf.d/cryptroot. You can use "lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-<VERSION>" to check content
[10:43] <TJ-> crispy_beef: UUID of the sub-volume file-system I believe
[10:53] <crispy_beef> TJ-: looks like some crypto stuff in there but not what you mentioned...   http://pastebin.com/HgEhcysV
[10:55] <TJ-> crispy_beef: correct; it's not correct yet. The key is to ensure the /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab can be linked up by /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot (which is responsible for installing the cryptsetup parts into the initrd.img if required)
[10:56] <theRVman> Is there any way to install microsoft onenote on ubuntu? I tried wine but it doesn't work smoothly...any alternatives?
[10:56] <ikonia> theRVman: not really
[10:57] <theRVman> @ikonia are there any alternates to onenote then?
[10:57] <crispy_beef> TJ-: ok cool. I know the crypttab should be correct as it hasn't change from the working install. Will update the fstab now and try update-initramfs again...
[10:58] <ikonia> nothing thats like for like
[10:58] <OerHeks> theRVman, see here http://askubuntu.com/questions/19230/microsoft-onenote-alternative
[10:58] <ikonia> there are note packages like tomboy for example but thats quite distant
[10:59] <TJ-> crispy_beef: I suspect your issue is in the way you've got btrfs involved; maybe the cryproot hook isn't coded to handle btrfs. I can't recall if it is or not right now.
[10:59] <ikonia> actually that link raises a good point, office 365
[11:05] <crispy_beef> TJ-: this is what I see from "blkid" for my root:  /dev/mapper/xpc-root: UUID="c5ae903a-f3a7-4311-a7d3-beebc5a3bafa" UUID_SUB="cef43bd4-ce1e-44b6-a87c-67cdcd1f437f" TYPE="btrfs"
[11:06] <throoze> hi!
[11:06] <crispy_beef> TJ-: it did work, this whole mess came about from update-initramfs and grub freezing on an update due to a card reader in my Dell screen. :-/
[11:06] <throoze> is it possible to create a symbolic link pointing to file in a  read only partition in ubuntu?
[11:06] <kozukumi> hi, is there a way to totally disable things like dash plugins from showing up in the dash? they are annoying the hell out of me? i just want the dash to show me applications, NOTHING MORE!
[11:07] <crispy_beef> Was a clean 15.04 install, but the mess started with the upgrade to 15.10
[11:10] <TJ-> crispy_beef: the key to the cryptsetup parts is that hook script. In these cases I manually edit it, adding "set -x" (which echos all lines before executing them) as the first line after the !shebang, and then use "update-initramfs -vu |& tee /tmp/initrd.log" to capture the output and be able to review the /tmp/initrd.log file
[11:10] <adithyan>  hlo  can I get some help to create some Free Culture for 16.04 (Ubuntu)
[11:10] <OerHeks> kozukumi, install synaptic, and search for 'scope'
[11:10] <kozukumi> thanks OerHeks will do
[11:10] <OerHeks> and uninstall them
[11:10] <OerHeks> !paste
[11:11] <IceBot3000> The time on my server is incorrect by ~2 hours. Is there a way to set the correct time, so it gradually adjusts over a day or so rather than instant?
[11:12] <throoze> is it possible to create a symbolic link pointing to file in a  read only partition in ubuntu?
[11:14] <g0g0boy> Hey All, have an issue with updating kernel
[11:14] <g0g0boy> I have got the output of my issues saved on pastebin to minimise questions relating to the issue.
[11:15] <kozukumi> thank you OerHeks !
[11:15] <kozukumi> worked perfectly
[11:15] <TJ-> g0g0boy: give us the link
[11:15] <g0g0boy> http://pastebin.com/1NQRhyPQ
[11:16] <g0g0boy> all previouse kernals have been removed using dpkg --remove command
[11:17] <TJ-> g0g0boy: right, lovely mess :)
[11:17] <adithyan>  can I get some help to create some Free Culture for 16.04 (Ubuntu)
[11:17] <TJ-> g0g0boy: do "dpkg -l 'linux-image*' | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:18] <throoze> adithyan, what's Free Culture?
[11:19] <crispy_beef> TJ-: thanks for the help btw, this is with set -x in cryptroot   http://pastebin.com/1eer22ib
[11:19] <adithyan> The free culture movement is a social movement that promotes the freedom to distribute and modify creative works in the form of free content.
[11:19] <OerHeks> adithyan, ask in #ubuntu+1, for 16.04 support until release
[11:19] <adithyan> ok sir thanks
[11:19] <g0g0boy> TJ- done: http://termbin.com/4mp6
[11:20] <crispy_beef> TJ-: that was with the btrfs sub-volume UUID
[11:21] <TJ-> g0g0boy: now let's find out what's in /boot/ with "ls -latr /boot/ | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:21] <kozukumi> can i install a deb with dpkg and have it automatically install dependencies?
[11:21] <kozukumi> like how the software centre does?
[11:22] <TJ-> crispy_beef: so it gets so far in identifying it, but at line 34-37 it goes wrong, by the look of that
[11:22] <g0g0boy> TJ-: it says use netcat  :)
[11:23] <TJ-> g0g0boy: did it do that for the last command!?
[11:23] <crispy_beef> TJ-: will try with the main volume UUID and see if htat is any different.
[11:24] <TJ-> crispy_beef: Yes; if the LUKS/dm_crypt is wrapping the entire thing that might be needed. It gets complicated :)
[11:25] <g0g0boy> TJ-: insists netcat
[11:25] <g0g0boy> I have pasted on pastebin:  http://pastebin.com/ERWQMq92
[11:29] <NOS> anyone one
[11:29] <NOS> on
[11:30] <OerHeks> 1852 are
[11:31] <TJ-> g0g0boy: Right, manually remove some of those images: "sudo rm /boot/{vmlinuz,initrd.img,config,System.map,abi}-{3.19.0-31,4.2.0-16,4.2.0-17,4.2.0-18}* "
[11:32] <g0g0boy> TJ- done
[11:32] <TJ-> g0g0boy: now check "df | boot" and you should see plenty of free space
[11:32] <TJ-> g0g0boy: if so, now redo "sudo apt-get -f install"
[11:33] <TJ-> g0g0boy: at that point, if it is successful, you can finally do "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[11:34] <odroid> hi
[11:36] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:36] <crispy_beef> TJ-: same error, but some differences in output, it shows /dev/dm-1 which is a link of the UUID in /dev  http://pastebin.com/HviMtKbx
[11:37] <crispy_beef> But still no root found, which I think kinda makes sense? As root is in an LVM volume inside that?
[11:40] <g0g0boy> TJ-: you know what your talking about  :)
[11:42] <crispy_beef> TJ-: the layout is "(raid) /dev/md2 > (crypt) /dev/dm-1 > (lvm/btrfs) /dev/mapper/xpc-root"
[11:45] <TJ-> crispy_beef: cripes!
[11:50] <ala> uuu
[11:50] <Rider40> hi
[11:50] <kuliza> SMTPException: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server.
[11:51] <ala> hi
[11:51] <kuliza> hi
[11:51] <kuliza> plz solve the error
[11:51] <ala> ok
[11:51] <blackflow> kuliza: the error appears on your side? unsupported AUTH?
[11:51] <kuliza> yes
[11:51] <ala> yes
[11:51] <ala> no
[12:01] <blackflow> kuliza: so what is there to fix? what software is that? what auth method is attempted?
[12:03] <MonkeyDust> kuliza  and what ubuntu version
[12:05] <kuliza> SMTPException: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server.
[12:05] <k1l> !details | kuliza
[12:05] <kuliza> help me with this
[12:06] <k1l> kuliza: which program, which ubuntu, what command brings you that, what is the rest of the output?
[12:07] <kuliza> m tryin to send email via gmail smtp
[12:08] <blackflow> kuliza: how? using what program?
[12:08] <kuliza>  EMAIL_BACKEND = 'django.core.mail.backends.smtp.EmailBackend'
[12:08] <kuliza>     EMAIL_HOST = 'smtp.gmail.com'
[12:08] <kuliza>     EMAIL_PORT = 587
[12:08] <kuliza>     EMAIL_HOST_USER = 'ankitjain01129@gmail.com'
[12:08] <kuliza>     EMAIL_HOST_PASSWORD = 'kuliza123'
[12:08] <kuliza>     EMAIL_USE_TLS = False
[12:10] <k1l> !paste | kuliza
[12:10] <k1l> kuliza: and you still didnt answer what ubuntu version exactly, what program etc.
[12:12] <kuliza> I am really sorry please ignore this i shall post in #django chanel
[12:12] <kuliza> am new to irc thing
[12:12] <labsy> hi all. is there any way to get all packages (a list of all) as json?
[12:12] <labsy> is there something in json format like the Package.gz you will find in a repository.
[12:13] <labsy> or I could jsonify it myself if there is a resource from which I could get a whole list.
[12:13] <labsy> basically I want to search for packages. I made a gui for apt-cache so far. but it executes apt-cache search $SEARCHTERM$ everytime.
[12:14] <labsy> and I want to avoid that (also time consuming) by having just a file with all packages in it. parsing a file is faster than querying a remote repository.
[12:20] <TJ-> labsy: if you're searching just for package *names* then "apt-cache search -n <term>" would be much faster/better
[12:24] <TJ-> labsy: is this a local service, or networked? If networked, you might find the launchpad API services useful
[12:35] <BrazenBraden> gosh darn optimus. installed the intel and nvidia driver(352) from software update. prime is installed. when i open nvidia-settings, there is no option to choose a prime profile -.- running prime-select query in the term shows that nvidia is selected but if i try with that or intel (by manually changing it via prime-select) i get a black screen where the login screen should be
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> BrazenBraden: try a lower version mate
[12:37] <BrazenBraden> ive removed nvidia and am now trying the 361 drivers after adding the graphics-drivers ppa. will see what that does but this slow internet is killing me slowly
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> braderhart: 352 has issues on many users
[12:38] <BrazenBraden> i only get higher versions than 352. looking in the ppa, the version below that are not supported by wily
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> BrazenBraden: wich ubuntu version are you on now?
[12:39] <BrazenBraden> 15.10
[12:39] <BrazenBraden> tried LTS
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> BrazenBraden: no luck on trusty?
[12:39] <BrazenBraden> all went to the toilet lol
[12:39] <BrazenBraden> kernel is way too old for this hardware
[12:40] <ropo_> hello whenver i start vi editor i get automatic indentation like this ---> http://imgur.com/AobwsBT
[12:40] <ropo_> who can fix it?
[12:40] <charlesW> i have a Samsung Galaxy 4 S Mini and I run Ubuntu 14.04 on my computer. When I connect the mini to a usb connected to the computer, The computer does not find it? Any ideas on how-to fix this?
[12:40] <MonkeyDust> ropo_  what are we supposed to see on the screenshot?
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> ropo_: maybe the #vim guys know?
[12:41] <OerHeks> ropo what is wrong with that?
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> charlesW: got dev mode enabled on the samsung?
[12:41] <ropo_> MonkeyDust, OerHeks zoom into the terminal, u can see that it's automatically indented.
[12:41] <effgeee> grr, something in my home directory is causing my xsession to constantly use 25 -30% cpu, a new profile does no such thing. Does anyone know  a technique to determine the derp?
[12:42] <charlesW> Hi lotuspsychje: I have the usb connect on and it searches, but does not find
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> charlesW: do you have developer mode enabled on the samsung?
[12:45] <charlesW> I dont know. probably not. i was unaware of that mode.
[12:45] <charlesW> I will check into that after work today.
[12:46] <BrazenBraden> driver 361 finished installing. still no PRIME profiles option available in nvidia-settings
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> BrazenBraden: and you installed nvidia-prime right?
[12:47] <BrazenBraden> yes
[12:47] <BrazenBraden> i will double check
[12:47] <BrazenBraden> yup
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> BrazenBraden: ok you tested alot already, time to investigate your syslog and dmesg?
[12:48] <BrazenBraden> please tell me i havent broken this.... i manually upgraded my kernel from 4.2 to 4.3 (the one in which my multi-touch touchpad works). could that be the reason?
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> BrazenBraden: didnt you test graphics 'before' you upgraded kernel?
[12:50] <charlesW> what is umode +R?
[12:50] <BrazenBraden> no because the kernel guide said to remove any "off tree" software like fxlr (or something) and other things. so in order to prevent the new kernel not working, i installed nothing
[12:51] <ceibal> Hola
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> !es | ceibal
[12:51] <ceibal> Hello
[12:53] <lotuspsychje> BrazenBraden: can you re-ask your issue togheter with syslog and dmesg pastebin once in a while, thatl make it easier for us to troubleshoot
[12:54] <BrazenBraden> anything in particular i should be calling on dmesg?
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> BrazenBraden: share bot full logs please
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> both
[12:56] <BrazenBraden> lotuspsychje, let me just to a restart since I havent yet since installing the new drivers
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> ok
[12:56] <BrazenBraden> brb
[12:57] <ceibal> Somebody speaks spanish?
[12:57] <hateball> !es | ceibal
[12:58] <necrophcodr> great issue here with apache. so running apache with the usual default setup, and a bunch of vhosts in /etc/apache/sites-enabled, some with SSL, some without, how do you avoid getting an invalid certificate for sites that don't have an SSL certificate, but are accessed through https://site.tld ?
[12:58] <necrophcodr> so i want to be able to access https://example1.com and go to https://example1.com. it has SSL enabled.
[12:59] <necrophcodr> but when i access https://example2.com i need to go to http://example2.com, as no SSL certificate exists for this domain.
[12:59] <TJ-> necrophcodr: the default HTTPS site will answer for those
[12:59] <necrophcodr> TJ-: thanks man, i'll look into that
[13:00] <necrophcodr> TJ-: how do i determine which site is the default HTTPS site?
[13:00] <necrophcodr> and is there any way to redirect *before* the handshake? i mean i suppose not, from what i read, but that is not an acceptable solution it would appear.
[13:01] <TJ-> necrophcodr: I'm not too sure you can do much about that; you can't prevent the client requesting the HTTPS site, and the hostname is translated to IP address to make the connection. At that point, if you have multiple HTTPS VHosts on the same IP address you rely on SNI (Server Name Indication).
[13:02] <necrophcodr> TJ-: i gathered as much. however, the certificate being pushed is the server default (quite naturally), but the domain is loaded correctly even though there's no <VirtualHost ip:443> configuration for it.
[13:02] <necrophcodr> i also gathered it would be impossible, but i'm afraid our clients are not happy about that. if it really is, then that's just that.
[13:03] <TJ-> you mean the default VHost *:443 server certificate is being presented to the client, but after that, the expected domain.tld content is served with that certificate?
[13:03] <necrophcodr> exactly
[13:03] <necrophcodr> well no, hold on
[13:03] <TJ-> simplest solution is install a server certificate for the domain.tld
[13:04] <necrophcodr> yes, that's correct
[13:04] <necrophcodr> i would if that were possible, but we do not yet offer that option
[13:04] <TJ-> you can always force that to redirect to pure HTTP if you really don't want to serve over HTTPS
[13:04] <necrophcodr> TJ-: how would i do this? is there a way to do this globally?
[13:05] <necrophcodr> i mean for all Vhosts
[13:05] <b3543> left something resting on my keyboard and now my desktop covered in those yellow stickynotes !!  how do i disable or better still uninstall ? i think they are plasma widgets
[13:05] <TJ-> if you're using name-based virtual hosts for HTTPS you're relying on the clients always using SNI - some still don't so they'll only ever get the default site
[13:06] <BradenBraden> ok im back (on my fedora machine with the laptop next to me)
[13:06] <nchambers> oh hey.. I actually understood most of that
[13:07] <BradenBraden> i cant get back into ubuntu after restart. will have to remove the nvidia drivers first. tried loading up with the 4.2 kernel as well but it just hangs at "Loading initial ramdisk..."
[13:07] <TJ-> necrophcodr: I can't imagine *not* serving a site over HTTPS these days
[13:07] <LegendThinker> hey there i am using wifi chipset  rtl8723be and OS as 14.04... After many many days of trying to resolve wifi drops i finally got to know that it is caused by this... but still not able to resolve it
[13:08] <TJ-> BradenBraden: that suggests the kernel didn't get started if you saw nothing more. "Loading initial ramdisk..." is a GRUB message
[13:08] <necrophcodr> TJ-: that is what i told our clients, but business is business, and they want HTTP default, and HTTPS when needed. so we need to default everything to HTTP, since they're not paying for any additional certificates.
[13:08] <necrophcodr> maybe in the future we'll use letsencrypt, but not today
[13:08] <BradenBraden> TJ-, yea
[13:09] <TJ-> necrophcodr: I'd ignore the client! Get a letsencrypt cert installed so SNI works, then set up a redirect to the HTTP side if you want to up-sell them later
[13:09] <ropo_> tab is not auto completing the file name but instead it is auto completing the command name
[13:09] <ropo_> help
[13:09] <necrophcodr> TJ-: yeah maybe. i'll look into it. it seems to be quite a problematic setup.
[13:11] <TJ-> necrophcodr: it is if you're hosting multiple domains on a single IP. You need IP based vhosts for what you're doing
[13:12] <LegendThinker> hey there i am using wifi chipset  rtl8723be and OS as 14.04... After many many days of trying to resolve wifi drops i finally got to know that it is caused by this... but still not able to resolve it
[13:12] <BradenBraden> right, lotuspsychje, i have the output from dmesg (note that i have no nvidia drivers install atm):  http://paste.ubuntu.com/14504515/
[13:12] <OerHeks> ropo_, if the folder of the filename is not in your %path% then autocomplete does not work, afaik
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: lets c
[13:13] <BradenBraden> how do i get the syslog stuff? just cat syslog.log into pastebinit?
[13:13] <LegendThinker> Some body please help
[13:13] <LegendThinker> I will loose the project of my life coz of this
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> !pastebinit | BradenBraden
[13:14] <OerHeks> LegendThinker, known issue > http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-trusty-realtek.html
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: nothing usefull there, but might be a skylake issue...
[13:15] <BradenBraden> lotuspsychje, syslog:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/14504541
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: not sure howto solve this
[13:15] <OerHeks> LegendThinker, try the "more difficult solution" to build the driver
[13:15] <BradenBraden> jeepers, 24000 lines o.O
[13:16] <BradenBraden> lotuspsychje, yea i read that kernel 4.3 introducted some intel skylake something
[13:16] <LegendThinker> simpler one gave options: command not found
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: we had some skylake users with issue here recently
[13:17] <BradenBraden> a specific type of chip i take it. presume mine is not such a one. but just because it now supports skylake doesnt mean its forgone the other intel chips
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: please also mention skylake when you re-ask your question ok
[13:17] <BradenBraden> but i have nothing to do with skylake O.o
[13:18] <BradenBraden> do i?
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[13:19] <MonkeyDust> LegendThinker  type oe and then hit tab to autocomplete the nickname
[13:20] <OerHeks> LegendThinker, ???
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: 277 0.102728] Performance Events: PEBS fmt3+, 32-deep LBR, Skylake events, full-width counters, Intel PMU driver.
[13:20] <LegendThinker> :D thanks..
[13:20] <BradenBraden> lotuspsychje, so you saying my chip IS a skylake one?
[13:20] <OerHeks> LegendThinker, "simpler one gave options" is not a command
[13:21] <LegendThinker> OerHeks, options rtl8723be fwlps=N ips=N
[13:21] <LegendThinker> options: command not found
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> LegendThinker  what are you doing
[13:22] <TJ-> LegendThinker: which kernel version is that 14.04 instal using?
[13:22] <OerHeks> LegendThinker, i told you: try the "more difficult solution" to build the driver
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: if logs mentioning it...ask ##hardware if you wanna be sure
[13:22] <BradenBraden> lotuspsychje, ok.. with the double #?
[13:23] <sruli> hi, I have a problem with my iptables rule (vpn kill switch), it worked fine in 14.04 with virtualbox VM's i am now trying it in 15.10 with KVM VM's and its not working properly the iptables rules i use is http://paste.ubuntu.com/14501070/ the output of iptables -L is http://paste.ubuntu.com/14501161/ this woks only for host, VM's still work after VPN disconnect, i tried a different set of rules with this script paste.ubuntu.com/14504570 the iptables -L  output
[13:23] <TJ-> OerHeks: from that article "...the problem does not manifest in the newer Netrunner 15, which is built on Utopic..." suggests simply installing an LTSE would solve it
[13:23] <sruli> i am really desperate to get this working i will pay $50 to whoever solves this for me
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: you also have tons of ureadahead lines in logs...
[13:24] <BradenBraden> lotuspsychje, apologies but I do not know what a ureadahead line is
[13:24] <savrus> ciao a tutti
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> !it | savrus
[13:24] <OerHeks> TJ-, i helped someone before where building the driver works..
[13:25] <TJ-> OerHeks: right, but I'm suggesting its easier to just install the latest 14.04 HWE kernels
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: ureadahead  (über-readahead)  is  used  during  boot  to  read files in
[13:25] <lotuspsychje>        advance of when they are needed such that they are already in the  page
[13:25] <lotuspsychje>        cache, improving boot performance.
[13:26] <LegendThinker> I dont know. I am using ubuntu from 20 days only
[13:26] <LegendThinker> TJ, That too coz of a project
[13:26] <BradenBraden> ah i see. is that a bad thing?
[13:26] <TJ-> sruli: what is it you are trying to do, precisely? prevent openvpn connections, or allow them?
[13:26] <TJ-> LegendThinker: what does "uname -r" tell you?
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: well when its spamming logs with lines it cant be good
[13:26] <BradenBraden> right
[13:26] <BradenBraden> sorry for that
[13:27] <sruli> TJ-: i am trying drop all traffic when VPN disconnects
[13:28] <TJ-> sruli: from the VMs, or the host itself?
[13:28] <sruli> both
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> BradenBraden: so back to the grafix issue, re-ask here once in a while with all details you got: ubuntu version,card chipset,cpu version,driver version failed,kernel version, and your log pastes
[13:28] <TJ-> sruli: well, for the VMs, the DROP rule will need to be in the FORWARD chain. For the host itself, in the OUTPUT chain
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> BrazenBraden: also join #gamingonlinux if someone has the same card as you, working  for gaming
[13:30] <TJ-> sruli: something like "iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s !lo -j DROP" and "iptables -I FORWARD 1 -j DROP"
[13:30] <BrazenBraden> lotuspsychje, cool, will ask around. thank you for your time :)
[13:31] <binaryplease> Hi, Where can I find ubuntu server images for arm (odroid xu4)?
[13:31] <lotuspsychje> !arm | binaryplease can this help?
[13:33] <TJ-> sruli: you may also need the same rules for IPv6 using ip6tables
[13:34] <k1l> binaryplease: ubuntu server is basically a ubuntu wihtout a desktop. but for arm you need special isos made for your device. so the general server.iso might not work.
[13:34] <TJ-> sruli: alternatively, you could use policy-based routing tables, and put the VM interfaces in a separate routing table with no default route, etc
[13:34] <binaryplease> lotuspsychje: The Odroid Xu4 isnt listed at the officially supported devices, is there any image I can use for that anyway?
[13:35] <lahaugen87> http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=95&t=15261
[13:35] <sruli> TJ-: ipv6 is disabled, is this the rules i should use? http://paste.ubuntu.com/14504644/
[13:35] <k1l> binaryplease: see odroid if they ship a proper image
[13:36] <lahaugen87> There is one in my link :)
[13:37] <lahaugen87> With others if you find it wont fit your need. Like Minimal Debian Jessie http://odroid.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=en:odroid-xu4
[13:37] <TJ-> sruli: on the face of it. But, can you show the output of "iptables -nvL" - just '-L' doesn't show the interface names, which is rather critical with what you are doing
[13:38] <sruli> ok, 2 min
[13:38] <binaryplease> k1l: http://odroid.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=en:xu3_release_linux_ubuntu the official ones are desktop images only
[13:38] <k1l> binaryplease: then install openssh-server, remove the desktop packages and you got a server
[13:39] <k1l> binaryplease: ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server share the same base install, same repos and same packages.
[13:39] <MonkeyDust> binaryplease  did you visit #ubuntu-arm
[13:41] <LegendThinker> OerHeks, anuj@anuj-HP-15-Notebook-PC:~/rtl8723be$ make clean
[13:41] <LegendThinker> make: *** No rule to make target `clean'.  Stop.
[13:41] <LegendThinker> anuj@anuj-HP-15-Notebook-PC:~/rtl8723be$ sudo make clean
[13:41] <LegendThinker> make: *** No rule to make target `clean'.  Stop.
[13:41] <binaryplease> k1l: okay, i'll try that. I though there might be a server image without the clutter
[13:43] <lahaugen87> binaryplease. There is in the forum thread i posted you. Direct link to the ftp here http://odroid.in/ubuntu_14.04lts/
[13:44] <sruli> TJ-: when trying to add "iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -s !lo -j DROP" i get error host/network `!lo' not found
[13:46] <TJ-> sruli: hang on, maybe it needs a space
[13:46] <TJ-> sruli: ahh yes, my mistake. instead of "-s !lo" it should be "! -s lo"
[13:47] <TJ-> sruli: those rules are saying DROP everything *but* traffic on the lo (loopback) interface
[13:48] <sruli> TJ-: same error
[13:49] <binaryplease> lahaugen87: Thank you. I just noticed the creator of the thread is 'odroid' so I'll assume that is a official and well supported image..
[13:50] <TJ-> sruli: oh darn! sorry, not "-s" at all (that is source address) but "-o" (output interface)
[13:50] <TJ-> sruli: you may want to block incoming too; in which case another 2 rules using "-i" (input interface)
[13:52] <sruli> TJ-: so "iptables -I OUTPUT 1 ! -o lo -j DROP"  ?
[13:52] <TJ-> sruli: yes. The "!" inverts the meaning of "-o lo" so every interface *except* lo is affected
[13:54] <fdsfadf> Hello everyone
[13:55] <fdsfadf> Can I change ubuntu(unity) to ubuntu(gnome)?
[13:55] <fdsfadf> I don't like Mir
[13:55] <cfhowlett> fdsfadf, no.  but you can INSTALL gnome and use it instead.
[13:55] <k1l> fdsfadf: it doesnt use MIR at all
[13:55] <fdsfadf> I want disable Mir
[13:56] <k1l> fdsfadf: dont believe the FUD.
[13:56] <k1l> fdsfadf: it uses xorg like gnome or kde or or or
[13:56] <fdsfadf> But I use it by vnc.
[13:56] <sruli> TJ-: with that rule i get no connection at all, cant even connect to VPN
[13:56] <fdsfadf> I can't connect it now by gnome and vnc
[13:57] <sruli> TJ-: output of iptables -nvL with those rules paste.ubuntu.com/14504740
[13:57] <TJ-> sruli: right. You said you wanted to drop ALL traffic. That's what it does.
[13:57] <sruli> TJ-: but i want to allow VPN
[13:59] <TJ-> sruli: if you want to allow the VPN traffic, then you can amend those rules so that instead of being INSERTed at the head of the chain (position 1) you APPEND instead. so "-I INPUT 1" becomes "-A INPUT" (no number now) - the rule will then be the *LAST* rule in the chain, so your VPN ACCEPT rules will match first.
[13:59] <TJ-> sruli: "iptables -D INPUT 1" and "iptables -D FORWARD 1" should remove those incorrect rules
[14:00] <fdsfadf> X11 over ssh . gedit
[14:00] <fdsfadf> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[14:00] <fdsfadf> ** (gedit:42506): WARNING **: Could not open X display
[14:00] <fdsfadf> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[14:00] <fdsfadf> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[14:00] <fdsfadf> X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.
[14:00] <cfhowlett> fdsfadf, learn to paste.
[14:00] <cfhowlett> !paste
[14:01] <fdsfadf> OK
[14:08] <sruli> TJ-: i amended the rules, still the same host drops traffic VM not, here are thr rules i used and the output of iptables -nvL paste.ubuntu.com/14504791
[14:08] <nodedfree> hi, i disabled network during ubuntu server installation.. how can i enable it again?
[14:09] <Umeaboy> Hi! If I use 15.10 and I want to run a shell script and see all the things that it do, what do I type?
[14:09] <Umeaboy> bash -xv ?
[14:09] <TJ-> sruli: how is the VM connected to the host network?
[14:09] <TJ-> sruli: NAT, routing, bridged?
[14:10] <sruli> TJ-: KVM NAT
[14:12] <sruli> TJ-: my kvm network config paste.ubuntu.com/14504807
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Umeaboy, man bash in the terminal
[14:14] <TJ-> sruli: OK, so with NAT everything will pass through the 'nat' table, not 'filter' !
[14:14] <TJ-> sruli: I assumed from your examples you were configured for routing
[14:15] <TJ-> sruli: "iptables -t nat -nvL" will help us for NAT
[14:16] <sruli> TJ-: paste.ubuntu.com/14504832
[14:16] <Glorfindel> my mouse is dead
[14:17] <Glorfindel> on 14.04
[14:17] <Glorfindel> is there any way to fix other than rebooting?
[14:17] <MonkeyDust> Glorfindel  wireless mouse?
[14:17] <cfhowlett> Glorfindel, check your batteries
[14:17] <cfhowlett> clean the lens
[14:17] <Glorfindel> no
[14:17] <Glorfindel> wired
[14:18] <MonkeyDust> Glorfindel  usb, other?
[14:18] <Glorfindel> the scroll wheel doesn't work at all either
[14:18] <Glorfindel> usb
[14:18] <Glorfindel> er, no
[14:18] <Glorfindel> ps2
[14:18] <hateball> Glorfindel: reload the psmouse module
[14:18] <cfhowlett> Glorfindel, sounds like it's time to replace it.  they are cheap, you know
[14:18] <Glorfindel> hateball: how do I do that?
[14:18] <Glorfindel> cfhowlett: I don't replace stuff until it disintegrates
[14:18] <hateball> Glorfindel: sudo modprobe -r psmouse && sudo modprobe psmouse
[14:19] <huwjr> lol ps2
[14:19] <huwjr> for fuck sake
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> use your mouse to copy-paste that line
[14:19] <MonkeyDust> huwjr  mind you language
[14:20] <Glorfindel> MonkeyDust: no can do ;P
[14:20] <Glorfindel> hateball: it didn't work
[14:20] <Glorfindel> was it supposed to print anything?
[14:20] <huwjr> if you’re using PS2 still you’re old enough to hear a swear word
[14:20] <Glorfindel> huwjr: that's irrelevant
[14:21] <MonkeyDust> huwjr  ok, but keep this channel family friendly
[14:21] <hateball> Glorfindel: It's not supposed to print anything no, assuming it exits ok
[14:21] <Glorfindel> hateball: ok,mouse is still dead
[14:21] <huwjr> rgr that
[14:21] <sruli> TJ-: any ideas?
[14:22] <Glorfindel> ok, I'll do the majik reboot, brb
[14:24] <Glorfindel> it didn't work :o
[14:25] <TJ-> sruli: yes :) I was just trying to find you a good diagram to understand the paths packets can take through the kernel's netfilter layers. try this: http://blogs.longwin.com.tw/lifetype/nfk-traversal.png
[14:27] <Peaceful> Can i add repo of 15.10 to 14.04?
[14:27] <MonkeyDust> Peaceful  there's !backports
[14:27] <cfhowlett> Peaceful, mixing repos breaks things
[14:28] <TJ-> sruli: from that diagram you should be able to see that the 'nat' table POSTROUTING is the last thing done before the packets leave the system. To prevent the packets from the VM moving through the netfilter layers, you have to block them earlier. DROP rules in the 'filter' table FORWARD or INPUT chains should block them (if they match the interface)
[14:28] <sruli> TJ-: will take me sometime to understand that, i have to go now will u be able to help me set the routing on sunday? (i'll pay u $50 to help me resolve)
[14:28] <Peaceful> What is bacckports?
[14:28] <cfhowlett> !backports > Peaceful
[14:29] <Peaceful> ok
[14:29] <Peaceful> so backports has latest apps?
[14:29] <TJ-> sruli: you're not far off it now. We need to capture some packets to understand what is happening
[14:29] <cfhowlett> Peaceful, no.  only the selected packages that have been backported
[14:29] <TJ-> sruli: ping me when you're next around for this issue
[14:30] <sruli> TJ-: i have to leave now, (doctor appointment) will be back tomorrow night, thanks
[14:34] <TJ-> sruli: I'd guess you could block the NAT sub-net, with "iptables -A OUTPUT -s 192.168.100.0/24 -j DROP"
[14:36] <mtilhan> Hi, I just changed hardware at one of my computers which had Ubuntu 14.04, now it gives something like "could not insert module ./pax......" etc. at tty7 and switches to tty1 automaticaly. Is there anyway to remove and apply new packages to adjust my OS to new hardware? If there is how can I find which packages to purge and which packages to install?
[14:51] <BottomNotch> I'm trying to compile glshim but it won't  work: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14505024/ any ideas?
[14:57] <linuxhp> frnds i want to create hotspot in ubuntu 14.04 .iam using leoxsys wifi ADAPTER. what to do
[14:57] <cfhowlett> !ics | linuxhp
[14:59] <linuxhp> ohh thanks i try...
[15:06] <anabain> does gnome use d-bus?
[15:07] <k1l> yes
[15:08] <decru> Hello, I'm trying to get ubuntu to use 3 monitors with 2 connected to the GPU and one to the IGP, anyone know anything about this? more details: http://pastebin.com/7S7K7w7L
[15:14] <RedDunce> hi guys. i am having a very strange issue where my notifications panel is completely missing ... no clock, wireless network, etc.
[15:14] <RedDunce> ubuntu 14.04
[15:16] <anabain> ok, kll, next one: is there a qdbus property to get the pwd of the nautilus app?
[15:17] <MonkeyDust> RedDunce  in unity-tweak-tool, start with   Panel > restore defaults
[15:23] <TJ-> anabain: I doubt a Gnome application is using the Qt Dbus application interface
[15:25] <anabain> TJ-, I doubt it too, that's why I was asking.
[15:26] <TJ-> anabain: when in doubt, check the source-code
[15:26] <anabain> TJ-, anyway, I'm using kubuntu, and I'm interested in qdbus on dolphin.
[15:28] <metame> this command keeps hanging `tar -xzgf maldetect-current.tar.gz` - any ideas what's wrong?
[15:28] <anabain> TJ-, I wonder why there's no qdbus property to get the current dir dolphin is at, sort of pwd
[15:29] <metame> the right click context menu 'extract here' works without a problem as does archive mgr
[15:29] <k1l> anabain: you can click and copy the on the path in nautils. that will print the pwd on paste
[15:30] <anabain> I need that info to use it in a bash script
[15:30] <ubuntu-mate> llo
[15:30] <bithon> hey. i see a lot of "blocked" logs in my syslog by ufw. mainly it says src=192.168.1.1 (my default gateway) dst=224.0.0.1
[15:30] <TJ-> anabain: looks like it only offers 3 'launch' interfaces
[15:31] <bithon> my server was also down last night. what could that mean ?
[15:32] <TJ-> bithon: 224.0.0.1 is the multicast All Hosts address
[15:32] <bithon> ah. well my server was unaccesable (it's just a home server) for like 12 hours
[15:33] <anabain> TJ-, I want to identify dolphin instances that are at nfs mounts in order to kill them from a script run at the server side through ssh. This operation will be performed at the server shutdown in order to avoid client hanging.
[15:33] <bithon> i suspect it was perhaps ddos. how do i verify that? i looked at auth log and syslog
[15:33] <bithon> none of which told me much
[15:34] <bithon> ddos-ed *
[15:34] <anabain> TJ-, and I find it quite strange that, for instance, you can get the whole path of a file used in okular, and not the dolphin's pwd...
[15:36] <smellsLikeGoatSp> hello everyon, I found a like that seems to explain how to create a live usb with linux OS. I would like to install Ubuntu 10.04. Do you reckon that would work? also anyone knows of a software to use to do this with Ubuntu instead that using Windows?https://heshambahram.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/live-usb-with-ubuntu-10-04-lts/
[15:37] <TJ-> anabain: I guess the expectation is that if you're using Dbus, you launched the process, so should know the pwd
[15:37] <MonkeyDust> smellsLikeGoatSp  10.04 is dead, use 14.04 instead
[15:38] <MonkeyDust> use/install*
[15:38] <smellsLikeGoatSp> MonkeyDust, I need kernel 2.x . would it work regardless of the support?
[15:39] <MonkeyDust> smellsLikeGoatSp  can't say, you'd be using a corpse
[15:39] <smellsLikeGoatSp> MonkeyDust, if it is a corpse I need
[15:40] <MonkeyDust> smellsLikeGoatSp  good luck then, but you can't ask for help or support here
[15:41] <smellsLikeGoatSp> MonkeyDust, I would imagine the same questions hold though. like, what program can I use on Ubuntu 14.04 to prepare a live usb?
[15:42] <MonkeyDust> smellsLikeGoatSp  14.04 has unetbootin and disk creator, but i'm not sure if 10.04 has those
[15:42] <TJ-> smellsLikeGoatSp: our ISO images are hybrid bootable so simply doing a raw copy of the .iso file to the USB device is all that is required - generally using 'dd' or 'cp'
[15:44] <smellsLikeGoatSp> TJ-, super! thank you! I know how to use 'dd' . cheers
[15:44] <smellsLikeGoatSp> MonkeyDust, I am using 14.04 to prepare the pen drive. all sorted now anyway. thanks
[15:45] <MonkeyDust> smellsLikeGoatSp  glad you did find advice here afterall ... linux = more than 1 solution for anything
[15:47] <Bomber4Chats> question
[15:47] <Bomber4Chats> If my personal computer is a ubuntu machine, can I run a local docker container without messing with my local system?
[15:47] <Bomber4Chats> all web guides talk about installing and running dockers on remote machines
[15:47] <Bomber4Chats> (remote/cloud machines)
[15:47] <k1l> Bomber4Chats: docker on own machine is fine.
[15:48] <Bomber4Chats> k
[15:48] <MonkeyDust> Bomber4Chats  this my irssi is running inside an lxc container (for fun, on my local machine)
[15:48] <Bomber4Chats> and you can step out of it if you wanted to?
[15:49] <MonkeyDust> Bomber4Chats  yeah sure, depending on how i connected ... now it's whith ssh, i end the session with ctrl-d
[15:49] <Bomber4Chats> right
[15:49] <Bomber4Chats> all I want to make sure is that my docker doesn't take over my system ^_^
[15:50] <MonkeyDust> "what are you doing dave?"
[15:50] <chrustler> Trying to test out Ubuntu Touch on a x86 tablet... but not finding what I "think" is a proper live-iso (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/)
[15:50] <ash_workz> does anyone have any thoughts on commenting out linux kernel lines in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove ?
[15:50] <ash_workz> like, bad idea?
[15:51] <ash_workz> actually, does apt-get autoremove clear kernels for anyone in here?
[15:51] <doomwhisp> Are "WebUpd8 PPA" and "Medibuntu" trustable additional repos for Ubuntu?
[15:51] <ash_workz> unused linux kernels that is
[15:53] <TJ-> ash_workz: yes, autoremove will remove kernels that are no longer the subject of a Depends: declaration in some meta package
[15:53] <ash_workz> cause if it does, can you do me a favor and check /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove to see if "linux-image" is present under VersionedKernelPackages ?
[15:53] <TJ-> ash_workz: it should be; it's a versioned package
[15:57] <aq2> is there an easy way to upgrade to 4.x kernel on my ubuntu mate 14.04?
[15:59] <k1l> aq2: there is a 4.x kernel (the backports from 15.10) in the repos already. its the test-kernel for the hardware enablement stack that will be published when 14.04.4 will be released
[15:59] <aq2> k1l: how can i install it?
[15:59] <k1l> aq2: install the kernel package from the repo
[16:00] <aq2> also, i'd like a kernel thats not something i need to upgrade again soon
[16:00] <aq2> do i need to install a software manager or can i apt-get install something?
[16:00] <lahaugen87> If that the only reason you get 16.04 LTS soon, soming with Kernel 4.4
[16:01] <lahaugen87> I'd just stick with current stable if unless you have a specific reason to change
[16:01] <aq2> i will get that when the mate version is released
[16:01] <k1l> aq2: its in the official ubuntu repos already. so every program that works with the official repos can install that
[16:02] <aq2> k1l: can you tell me the name of the package? also, can i just choose advanced options in grub to go back to the old kernel?
[16:04] <k1l> aq2: linux-generic-lts-wily
[16:04] <metame> any ideas on why tar isn't working?
[16:04] <aq2> nice thanks :)
[16:04] <aq2> how about loading the old kernel with grub?
[16:05] <k1l> aq2: yes
[16:05] <aq2> nice :)
[16:06] <ash_workz> TJ-: and that group ignores such packages?
[16:06] <k1l> Bomber4Chats: see https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desktop/
[16:07] <ash_workz> TJ-: I mean, anything listed under VersionedKernelPackages {} will be ignored by apt-get autoremove?
[16:07] <Bomber4Chats> k1l: thanks, looking now
[16:07] <ash_workz> TJ-: or it will *only* be ignored if the package has dependencies?
[16:07] <lahaugen87> metame, what do you mean?
[16:07] <Bomber4Chats> ohhhh
[16:07] <Bomber4Chats> irrsi, cool
[16:07] <Bomber4Chats> MonkeyDust: should I use irssi instead of quassel?
[16:08] <ash_workz> TJ-: and if /that's/ the case, then does that mean the reason why apt-get autoremove doesn't remove my old kernels is because there are dependencies on it?
[16:08] <k1l> Bomber4Chats: that is more a matter of workflow and own taste
[16:08] <ash_workz> TJ-: do you not have an issue with this too?
[16:08] <aq2> ahright time to reboot and see how the new kernel works :)
[16:08] <aq2> alright
[16:09] <metame> posted q earlier: `tar -xvgf file.tar.gz` is just hanging for me
[16:09] <metame> I can extract by other means but not cli command
[16:09] <metame> lahaugen87: ^
[16:09] <FedoraUser> my dlm has wrong init script and is trying to use wrong device path (/dev/misc/dlm-control instead of /dev/dlm-control)
[16:10] <Bomber4Chats> k1l: so, my system hasn't gone crazy yet, so I'm OK with docker :)
[16:10] <Bomber4Chats> and thanks for the links! I'll know what to search for in the future :)
[16:10] <metame> ah... figured it out.  didn't need the g
[16:16] <ash_workz> can anyone confirm or deny my previous questions?
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> ash_workz: better re-ask your issue here once in a while
[16:16] <ubuntu293> Hello i am trying to update openssh but i have errors any one know how to fix them ? http://pastebin.com/xAtyMj5A
[16:17] <TJ-> ash_workz: no, I think you misunderstand. "NeverAutoRemove" is the stanza that *protects* packages from removal. The list of protected versioned packages is in "01autoremove-kernels" which is re-generated after each kernel install by the script /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu293: have you added ppa's of any kind?
[16:17] <ubuntu293> lotuspsychje: i don't thing so
[16:17] <ubuntu293> is there a way to check ?
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> !sources | ubuntu293 check here
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu293: wich ubuntu version you havin?
[16:19] <ubuntu293> i am having a server editon
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu293: wich version please
[16:19] <ubuntu293> okay let me check just need to find the command that will show me
[16:19] <bramgn> ubuntu293: lsb_release -r or cat /etc/issue
[16:20] <ubuntu293> Release:        14.04
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> !info openssh-server trusty
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu293: seems like right version you having
[16:21] <OerHeks> why dpkg manually?
[16:21] <ubuntu293> hmm
[16:21] <TJ-> ubuntu293: "Operation not permitted" suggests you've got file attributes set. do "getfacl /usr/sbin/sshd"
[16:21] <ubuntu293> okay
[16:21] <ubuntu293> let me install getfacl
[16:21] <ash_workz> TJ-: I'm afraid you're right and I still don't fully understand. I'm going to re-read what you said though
[16:22] <TJ-> ubuntu293: it could be you've got the Immutable bit set: "lsattr /usr/sbin/sshd"
[16:23] <ash_workz> TJ-: okay... so this is regenerated to protect your previous kernels... do people typically modify /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal to only keep 1 or 2 kernel backups?
[16:23] <TJ-> ubuntu293: if you see 'i' that is the immutable bit flag
[16:24] <ash_workz> TJ-: or rather, should I modify it so that my boot partition doesn't fill in a snap?
[16:24] <ubuntu293> TJ-: here is the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[16:25] <TJ-> ash_workz: that script is designed to do that; via the variables "running_version", "latest_version" and "previous_version"
[16:25] <TJ-> ubuntu293: you need to give the full URL :)
[16:25] <ubuntu293> oh sorry :D
[16:25] <gecko_x2> hi
[16:26] <ubuntu293> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14505777/
[16:26] <ubuntu293> both outputs are here
[16:27] <gecko_x2> i have a fresh install of ubuntu-14.04.3-server-amd64 in KVM, KVM host syslog is flooded with "No balloon device has been activated'
[16:27] <gecko_x2> in qemu i mean*
[16:27] <TJ-> ash_workz: those files set the protected packages; to remove them you still need to do "apt-get autoremove"
[16:28] <ubuntu293> TJ-: does that i mean that "immutable bit flag" is on ?
[16:28] <gecko_x2> found and old bug entry from 2010, but nothing else: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/579723
[16:28] <ash_workz> TJ-: it sounds like what you're saying is that, that script updates the 01autoremove-kernels file to protect at most 3 kernels from apt-get autoremove
[16:29] <TJ-> ubuntu293: yes, you can see it is set. "sudo chattr -i /usr/sbin/sshd" will unset it so you can complete the package upgrade, then maybe you want to re-apply it with "sudo chattr +i /usr/sbin/sshd"
[16:29] <ash_workz> TJ-: but the generated file has 26 lines
[16:29] <TJ-> ash_workz: correct. The 'latest' should be protected by virtue of being a Depends: of "linux-image-generic" / "linux-headers-generic"
[16:30] <TJ-> ash_workz: yes, that's about correct
[16:30] <ubuntu293> TJ-: that i thing is that something that ubuntu sets on per defaut ?
[16:31] <TJ-> ubuntu293: not that I've noticed since it'd break upgrades as you've seen; It has been set manually or by some other tool
[16:31] <ubuntu293> okay
[16:31] <TJ-> ubuntu293: making it immutable is a protection of sorts against the file being infected by malicious code
[16:31] <ubuntu293> ahh very smart
[16:32] <ash_workz> TJ-: oh, when I take a closer look, it would seem that there are only really 2 version of each line [image, headers, image-extra, signed-image, etc]
[16:32] <TJ-> ash_workz: yes, it's covering all the variations
[16:34] <ash_workz> TJ-: so then if there are only two images listed (v...33 and v...39) then why doesn't apt-get autoremove take out the 4 images older than v...33 ?
[16:35] <ash_workz> (which would be 26, 28, 30 and 31)
[16:36] <TJ-> ash_workz: because something else depends on them? "apt-cache rdepends linux-image-<version>" to check what those may be, then "dpkg -l <package>" to check if it is installed
[16:36] <ash_workz> TJ-: btw, thanks for helping me; you can't get this stuff from forums. I've read all kinds of crap that makes me pause and say, "I don't think that's a good idea" but when I talk to you, you really give me good insight to the intended purpose behind much of the built-in linux functionality
[16:37] <TJ-> you're welcome
[16:38] <TJ-> ash_workz: generally, the way it is supposed to work is we install "linux-generic". if you "apt-cache depends linux-generic" you'll see it depends on 2 other meta-packages. Check the 'depends' of those and you'd see *versioned* image/headers packages.
[16:39] <TJ-> ash_workz: When new kernels are released all we need do is alter the versioned dependencies declared in linux-{image,headers}-generic. A dist-upgrade will then pull in the *new* kernel versions. At that point the older kernel versions should no longer have packages depending on them, so become candidates for autoremove.
[16:40] <ash_workz> TJ-: okay (I don't understand, but before that...) I don't understand the output of `apt-cache rdepends linux-image-3.19.0-26-generic`. It shows itself under reverse depends as well as the signed and extra versions of the image.
[16:40] <ash_workz> brb
[16:40] <TJ-> ash_workz: So, to protect the immediately preceeding kernel we use the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels protection since we cannot guarantee the new kernel is going to work
[16:41] <TJ-> ash_workz: shows a Conflict: for the same package *of a different architecture* - you cannot have the same version of a 64-bit (amd64) and 32-bit (i386) architecture kernel installed at the same time
[16:43] <ash_workz> TJ-: wow; if I knew 1/2 as much as you did about linux, I would benefit much more immensely for your tutelage
[16:44] <ash_workz> okay so yeah, it's a different arch, but what is the relevance of the statement "you can't have ... at the same time" ?
[16:45] <acer> hi ia new
[16:46] <ash_workz> btw
[16:46] <TJ-> ash_workz: if the system has the 64-bit kernel package installed, it contains some files at the same path as the i386 path, but those files have different content, hence they Conflict. So in the debian package 'control' file we simply declare a "Conflict: <packagename>:<architecture>" which is what apt-cache depends showed you
[16:47] <ash_workz> can anyone tell me why a user pistoriz from this channel is trying to bash me via political discussion? does anyone know if that's a bot or something?
[16:47] <TJ-> ash_workz: e.g. linux-image-<version>-generic for each architecture installs the same kernel files to /lib/modules/<version>/kernel/..."  but they have different content
[16:47] <ash_workz> TJ-: I don't get it... if they they conflict, they are dependent on each other?
[16:50] <TJ-> no, there is no depends. It's a "Conflicts:" - the output of "apt-cache depends" shows "Depends:", "Conflicts:", "Recommends:", "Suggests:" etc. (all of those declared in the package's debian/control file
[16:50] <ash_workz> TJ-: like, this seems like what I would have imagined it to be http://g.jk.gs/su.png
[16:50] <ash_workz> TJ-:
[16:50] <ash_workz> oh
[16:51] <ash_workz> TJ-: so, if there are any Depends, Conflicts, etc, then those packages are exempt from autoremove?
[16:52] <TJ-> ash_workz: so in practice 'apt-get autoremove' should leave behind the last 2 or 3 kernels (depending on what is running when the latest kernel is installed). Some folks may have the system set to boot a specific kernel version no matter what the 'latest' is
[16:52] <ash_workz> TJ-: that makes sense
[16:52] <ash_workz> TJ-: (as far as I can understand it anyway)
[16:52] <TJ-> ash_workz: if package A "Depends: B"  then B cannot be autoremoved unless A is removed (or changes its Depends: declaration) first.
[16:52] <ash_workz> TJ-: but like... what do I need to do to resolve this conflict?
[16:53] <TJ-> ash_workz: you need to identify what is causing "apt-get autoremove" to not touch those older kernel packages.
[16:53] <TJ-> ash_workz: first step is to enable debugging output
[16:53] <ash_workz> TJ-: did we not discover that the cause was an i386 conflict?
[16:54] <TJ-> ash_workz: no, that's a standard declaration on every system
[16:55] <TJ-> ash_workz: try this "sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes autoremove" - see if it gives you some insight into what its doing
[16:55] <ash_workz> TJ-: so the apt-cache rdepends command did not really disclose the cause
[16:55] <TJ-> ash_workz: correct. I was using that to show you one of the steps to learn about what *may* cause the packages to stay around
[16:55] <ash_workz> TJ-: I see... no wonder I was confused
[16:56] <ash_workz> TJ-: the Debug command didn't yield different  results from a normal apt-get autoremove
[16:56] <TJ-> ash ... package management is extremely complex under the hood. Debian/Ubuntu does a great job of hiding that from users most of the time
[16:56] <TJ-> ash_workz: OK, let me check for additional Debug options
[16:57] <mekhami> this may be a long shot, but I'd like to be able to use my keyboard controls to control my spotify install. they don't seem to work by default. anyone have a clue how to take care of that?
[16:57] <TJ-> ash_workz: try this "sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgAutoRemove=yes autoremove"
[16:57] <aq2> mekhami: i have a keyboard with audio controlling buttons, it's one way
[16:57] <ash_workz> TJ-: a ton of info now
[16:58] <mekhami> aq2: my F keys have audo controls on them, which made me think they could be used for that
[16:58] <TJ-> ash_workz: yay :)
[16:58] <aq2> mekhami: do they have next/previous things?
[16:58] <mekhami> aq2 yeah
[16:58] <ash_workz> TJ-: can I tee this output?
[16:58] <aq2> do they work?
[16:59] <ash_workz> TJ-: to try and find relevant info?
[16:59] <mekhami> aq2 no, that's what i'm referring to
[16:59] <aq2> my sound icon in the system tray has good spotify integration
[16:59] <TJ-> ash_workz: try this "sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgAutoRemove=yes autoremove | pastebinit" can send it to the pastebin automatically
[16:59] <aq2> it has prev/next buttons too
[16:59] <decru> Hey guys so my computer stopped booting suddenly so I'm in the grub bash like command prompt with grub> I looked up some stuff and found the HD with /boot/ but when I try to ls into /boot/ it sends me a weird msg saying set - e case "$1",
[16:59] <mekhami> aq2 ah i don't have a sy stem tray heh
[16:59] <ash_workz> TJ-: wow, that's neat; I probably need that package though
[16:59] <k1l_> mekhami: does it work with the volume keys?
[16:59] <decru> In configure
[17:00] <TJ-> ash_workz: yes "apt-get install pastebinit"
[17:00] <ash_workz> TJ-: right now it's running through the command (hopefully) tee-ing it
[17:00] <mekhami> k1l_: volume keys don't seem tod o anything either
[17:00] <mekhami> and to be clear
[17:00] <mekhami> i'm referring to my F keys having sub-markings on them
[17:00] <mekhami> for audio controls
[17:00] <ash_workz> TJ-: oh
[17:00] <ash_workz> it didn't take the output
[17:00] <ash_workz> erm
[17:01] <k1l_> mekhami: make sure its choosen the right audio output in the advanced sound settings
[17:01] <ash_workz> I guess, like it went through a different ... whatever you call those things... file-something
[17:01] <ash_workz> pointer?
[17:01] <ash_workz> um
[17:01] <ash_workz> I don't remember
[17:01] <ash_workz> I read a whole thing on it
[17:01] <ash_workz> if only i could remember everything I read
[17:01] <k1l_> mekhami: and you could test if xev(?) if the keys actually do something at all
[17:02] <mekhami> k1l_ any idea how i would do that? also I use i3wm so that might be more c omplex than it sounds
[17:02] <eelstrebor> Microsoft is porting ChakraCore to Ubuntu Linux
[17:02] <mekhami> f1l_ they do something, they are my normal F keys, so they do something that just might not be tied to my audio controls
[17:03] <ash_workz> file descriptors
[17:05] <ash_workz> TJ-: is there any sensitive info that I would not want in a public pastebin with this debug info?
[17:06] <TJ-> ash_workz: I can't think of any, it'll just be the packages it is considering
[17:07] <ash_workz> TJ-: I wonder if it'll work.
[17:07] <ash_workz> TJ-: does it just give you a link at the end?
[17:07] <ash_workz> yes it does
[17:07] <EriC^^> TJ-: i think something else considers the packages, as when you install something it or update it usually says "packages no longer needed run autoremove to remove them"
[17:07] <ash_workz> TJ-: as I thought
[17:07] <EriC^^> so they should show up without running autoremove
[17:07] <ash_workz> TJ-: the debug info is not pasted
[17:07] <ubuntu-mate> nm
[17:07] <ash_workz> TJ-: its a different FD I think
[17:08] <TJ-> ash_workz: ok, use |& as the pipe to capture stderr too
[17:08] <ash_workz> TJ-: YOU CAN DO THAT?! OMG
[17:08] <ash_workz> running
[17:09] <ash_workz> ugh
[17:09] <ash_workz> is there an ubuntu equiv to windows taskmgr > process > kill ?
[17:10] <EriC^^> TJ-: i think there's a script that gets the unneeded kernels and it's called i guess whenever you install anything
[17:10] <ash_workz> EriC^^: TJ- did a very good job of describing the process earlier
[17:10] <EriC^^> cause if autoremove is what got those info, then we'd never see them, cause when we type autoremove it would remove them
[17:10] <EriC^^> ash_workz: ^
[17:11] <TJ-> ash_workz: Ctrl+C ?
[17:11] <ash_workz> TJ-: no, I mean when I launch an application that's freezing
[17:11] <TJ-> EriC^^: that's not the problem; the issue is that autoremove isn't removing kernels it is expected to, so we need to see what it is considering, and discarding
[17:11] <decru> http://m.imgur.com/kssmFJg anyone know wtf this means?
[17:12] <EriC^^> TJ-: is it making the list?
[17:12] <TJ-> ash_workz: generally I use "ps -efly | grep <some name fragment>" to find the process; then "kill -KILL XXX" with the PID of that process
[17:13] <TJ-> EriC^^: the NeverRemove list is fine; it seems something may be depending on older kernels
[17:13] <MrFastDie> What about kill -9 <PID>
[17:13] <MrFastDie> Or pkill -9 <name of process>
[17:13] <bramgn> ash_workz: alternatively if you want to just kill a frozen screen, xkill will allow you to do just that
[17:13] <ash_workz> I heard you need to be careful for some reason with kill and pkill
[17:14] <TJ-> MrFastDie: -9 is -KILL
[17:14] <MrFastDie> TJ- -9 is much shorter :D
[17:14] <TJ-> MrFastDie: because pkill may kill more than 1 process; e.g. if it were 'bash'
[17:14] <TJ-> MrFastDie: -KILL is self-explanatory when teaching users
[17:14] <MrFastDie> Didn't see the whole conversation :D
[17:15] <TJ-> ash_workz: did you get that to work yet? "sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgAutoRemove=yes autoremove |& pastebinit"
[17:18] <ash_workz> TJ-: it's running
[17:19] <tranquilo> which skype version should i choose lubuntu 14.04.3? ubuntu 12.04, dynamic, debian, fedora, else?
[17:19] <ash_workz> TJ-: I looked at the log file locally (it's pastebin-ing now) and ctrl+f only found 1 line containing linux-image-3.19
[17:19] <ash_workz> TJ-: there was a timeout error
[17:19] <ash_workz> for the pastebin
[17:19] <ash_workz> maybe it was too large
[17:19] <artois> tranquilo: latest you can get easily, what else
[17:20] <TJ-> ash_workz: that's been an issue with the ubuntu pastebin server for a while now
[17:20] <ash_workz> TJ-: try again, or just let you know info of the local doc?
[17:20] <TJ-> ash_workz: if you saved to a file, you can also do "pastebinit /path/to/file"
[17:21] <ash_workz> TJ-: waiting
[17:22] <TJ-> ash_workz: if that fails do "cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999"
[17:22] <ash_workz> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14506349/
[17:24] <as2016> hi. i just installed ubuntu14lts. in installation i've chosen "encrypt-home" option. after installation i've updated ubuntu but in new boot swap doesn't get mounted due to the encryption.
[17:24] <artois> as2016: swap's never mounted
[17:24] <artois> as2016: you getting an error?
[17:24] <TJ-> as2016: that's a known bug; it overwrites the UUID of the swap. It's easy to fix
[17:24] <GeekSquid> as2016: swap doesn't get encrypted
[17:25] <as2016> i've resolved that by removing cryption using " cryptsetup remove /dev/mapper/cryptswap1"
[17:25] <TJ-> GeekSquid: yes, it does
[17:25] <artois> swap can get encrypted
[17:25] <as2016> i couldn't get correct uuid from fdisk -l
[17:25] <artois> but it's not mounted
[17:25] <artois> better to just say the error rather than guess
[17:26] <TJ-> as2016: if you want to continue without encrypted swap device, use "mkswap /dev/sdXY" and then "blkid /dev/sdXY" and copy the UUID into /etc/fstab for the swap entry
[17:26] <as2016> TJ-, ok.
[17:27] <as2016> TJ-, i love to my system be good (like fresh one :D). is your way make that wrong? i mean freshy :D
[17:27] <as2016> ?
[17:27] <TJ-> as2016: the reason for encrypting swap is to protect the virtual memory image if the device is suspended
[17:28] <masterjail> juacado
[17:28] <masterjail> sorry :D
[17:30] <howdy> hello
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> howdy
[17:31] <ash_workz> TJ-: did you glean anything from that pastebin?
[17:32] <juacado> I was wondering which is the most used git GUI on Ubuntu, any idea?
[17:32] <howdy> quit
[17:33] <artois> juacado: probably git's own
[17:33] <artois> but you should really learn to use git without a GUI
[17:33] <TJ-> ash_workz: yes; 3.19.0-39 is help due to "linux-image-generic-lts-vivid" . there are some others there to read through
[17:33] <artois> getting a graphical tree view or diff is one thing
[17:33] <artois> but in general you should just use git in a term
[17:33] <artois> be far more efficient
[17:33] <Dro> Hello, I'm going to install ubuntu in my new HDD , do you recommand 14.04 or 15.10 ?
[17:33] <artois> also: #git
[17:34] <artois> Dro: I'd always go with latest you can get
[17:34] <ash_workz> TJ-: "is help" ?
[17:35] <Ady> can someone tell me how to enable ssh on port 22 ?
[17:35] <scootero> how do i get a listof channels on this irc server
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> Ady: maybe the #openssh guys can sort you out?
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> !alis | scootero
[17:36] <Dro> artois: 15.10 is stable enough to be used as a main system ?
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> scootero: channels list is too big to list all
[17:36] <artois> Ady: should be the default
[17:36] <Ady> lotuspsychje : ty
[17:36] <TJ-> ash_workz: I see also "linux-image-3.19.0-31-generic" ... those are the only linux images packages known to the package manager.
[17:36] <TJ-> ash_workz: sorry, "is help" should be "is held"
[17:36] <artois> Dro: Ubuntu has no stable branch, so you're bound to get more stable (tested) software with the latest version always
[17:36] <aq2> TJ-: what are you trying to do?
[17:36] <artois> Dro: all the software that's both in 14 and 15 will be more mature in 15
[17:36] <TJ-> ash_workz: show us "ls -latr /boot/ | pastebinit" please.
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> Dro: also for real stable choose an LTS version
[17:37] <artois> lts hasn't to do with stability
[17:37] <artois> it's just a license to be lazy
[17:37] <artois> you should update far more frequently than people who use LTS encourage
[17:37] <artois> far, far, /far/ more frequently
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | artois
[17:38] <artois> !yourdiscussion | lotuspsychje
[17:38] <artois> ubottu: upgrade yo factoids :p
[17:38] <scootero> anyone know of a good channel for newbies of ubjntu and unix for that matter?
[17:38] <artois> no chance there =)
[17:38] <artois> scootero: here, ##linux
[17:38] <scootero> thank you so much
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> !manual | scootero also handy
[17:38] <artois> tweren't nothin'
[17:39] <niklas_e> is there any bug with mesa drivers for 14.04? someone I know get some problem hanging.  on a graphics chip I think called i965
[17:39] <scootero> thabk you...   you have all been super helpful...  ill get out of the service channel now
[17:40] <ash_workz> is there a package that automatically copies the output of a command?
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> !pastebinit | ash_workz
[17:40] <zykotick9> ash_workz: you might want to check out "script"
[17:40] <nbusrone> hi anyone using clonezilla ? what is the different between device-image and device-device option ?
[17:40] <niklas_e> How do you check which xdriver ubuntu are useing?
[17:41] <artois> nbusrone: an image is probably saving to a file
[17:41] <ash_workz> lotuspsychje: but the output doesn't drop in the copy buffer, right?
[17:41] <artois> nbusrone: and device-device probably from one device to another (drive to drive)
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> niklas_e: sudo lshw -C video behind driver=
[17:41] <artois> nbusrone: what're you up to?
[17:41] <niklas_e> thanks
[17:41] <TJ-> ash_workz: "command |& tee /tmp/command.log"
[17:42] <ash_workz> TJ-: /tmp/command.log is the copy buffer?
[17:42] <TJ-> ash_workz: it captures stdout and stderr yes
[17:43] <nbusrone> artois : clone an old ubuntu 10.10 version and able to access the file.Something like .iso without compressing
[17:43] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: nice trick +1
[17:43] <TJ-> ash_workz: if you want to put it in the X clipboard itself "command |& xclip"
[17:43] <artois> nbusrone: you only want to access the files/data, and not run it as the same system again?
[17:44] <juacado> artois thanks for the tip about git
[17:44] <ash_workz> Expected a command name, got token of type “Run job in background” (pointer at ampersand)
[17:44] <nbusrone> artois : clone an old ubuntu 10.10 version and also in an iso , I can convert it into virtualbox and run it virtually guest ?
[17:44] <ash_workz> TJ-: ^
[17:45] <ash_workz> TJ-: and removing the ampersand doesn't change the copy buffer
[17:45] <nbusrone> artois : Migrating old unsupported 10.10 out from old hard disk and run on virtualbox in future if I need to access my files.
[17:45] <TJ-> ash_workz: what did you type? did you include a space?
[17:45] <kirill> привет
[17:45] <nbusrone> artois : problem is , I am beginner which really confuse with 1st time clonezilla user . :(
[17:45] <kirill> как дела
[17:45] <artois> nbusrone: yes you can manage that in various ways
[17:45] <TJ-> ash_workz: there is no space in |&  ...  otherwise the & would be interpretted by the shell as te 'background job' operator
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> !ru | kirill
[17:45] <artois> nbusrone: it's pretty unlikely you'll need the entire OS to run, IMO, though
[17:46] <ash_workz> TJ-: echo hello |& tee /tmp/command.log
[17:46] <nbusrone> artois : does the application clonezilla able to clone drive into ISO ?
[17:46] <artois> if it were me, I'd probably just backup the files/data, so I could use it for reference
[17:46] <artois> and not worry about running the OS again
[17:46] <ash_workz> TJ-: results in an error
[17:46] <artois> nbusrone: I'm sure it is, yes
[17:46] <artois> nbusrone: you can also just use dd; just be careful of your of= value if you do
[17:46] <TJ-> ash_workz: what shell are you using "echo $SHELL" ?
[17:46] <kirill> Црфе
[17:47] <kirill> каперн
[17:47] <ash_workz> TJ-: I was using fish, but I tried it in bash too
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> !english | kirill
[17:47] <TJ-> ash_workz: bash is fine, as is dash/sh
[17:47] <ash_workz> but it didn't work in bash
[17:48] <ash_workz> actually
[17:48] <ash_workz> in bash
[17:48] <TJ-> ash_workz: Yes, it does. see http://paste.ubuntu.com/14506569/
[17:48] <artois> if you're going to !spam, why not at least send him the annoying one about his specific language/channel
[17:48] <ash_workz> it doesn't throw an error anymore
[17:48] <ash_workz> Oh
[17:48] <ash_workz> but that's not the copy buffer?.... or ... I am trying to get the output in ctrl+v
[17:48] <nbusrone> artois : still need more reading on clonezilla option , guess will tried out on a virtually before on an OS.
[17:49] <artois> nbusrone: try what, cloing?
[17:49] <artois> cloning*
[17:49] <artois> nbusrone: you don't need to do that, and clonezilla is more complicated than you need to make it
[17:50] <artois> nbusrone: try something like sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/some/path/some/file.dd bs=1024M status=progress
[17:50] <hmuller> Does equivs not work with library packages (i.e. libfoo, etc)
[17:50] <artois> nbusrone: just be very sure the of= value is not something already existing that you don't want to lose
[17:51] <ash_workz> I thought ctrl+v was the copy buffer, but I guess not
[17:51] <ash_workz> anyway
[17:51] <anabain> TJ-, back to the qdbus and dolphin issue, if there's no way to get its pwd via qdbus, can it be done using another method?
[17:52] <ash_workz> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14506507/
[17:53] <mtilhan> hey for some reason birdie from ppa has some gui problems and i can't see the birdie settings etc., so i decided to combile source code and install it from there. however after i create the build dir and try "cmake .. -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr" at there, it gives some error
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> mtilhan: we dont support ppa's mate
[17:53] <czwolf> Hi :) is there some way possible to run 2 x Mono at one pc? One for testing purposes or another project - with different settings/version
[17:53] <nbusrone> artois : dd is a compressing method ? bs=1024M ? why does block size matter ?
[17:53] <artois> I wonder why Ubuntu has PPAs, then :p
[17:53] <artois> nbusrone: no, dd only copies data
[17:53] <mtilhan> lotuspsychje: thats why i am writing, i purged ppa app and trying to compile the source code.
[17:54] <TJ-> ash_workz: that looks correct to me; it looks like you've got the previous, latest, and running versions
[17:54] <artois> nbusrone: it'll go faster if you specify it
[17:54] <mtilhan> lotuspsychje: it gave error like this ; "CMake Error: The source directory "/home/talha/Birdie/birdie" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.Specify --help for usage, or press the help button on the CMake GUI."
[17:54] <artois> nbusrone: there are various approaches, 1024M is an okay starting point
[17:55] <TJ-> anabain: depends what you mean by 'pwd' - you can get the current working directory for any process using readlink -e /proc/$$/cwd" where $$ is the process ID
[17:55] <ash_workz> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14506638/
[17:55] <anabain> TJ-, for example, as for the nfs processes, lsof -N identifies them and then they can be properly handled, but after that the script should be dealing with the nfs dirs at dolphin.
[17:55]  * artois goes to be productive
[17:55] <TJ-> ash_workz: right, so everything looks fine there
[17:56] <ash_workz> TJ-: so those images *should* be on the system? The /boot/ dir get's filled up right away though
[17:56] <ash_workz> TJ-: rather, /all/ those images
[17:56] <TJ-> ash_workz: how much space is in use there right now? what does "df | grep boot" report?
[17:57] <TJ-> ash_workz: totting up it only looks like theres about 150MB or so
[17:57] <ash_workz> sda2 68%; sda1 1% (boot/efi)
[17:57] <ash_workz> so is boot too small?
[17:57] <TJ-> ash_workz: so 68% of how much total?
[17:58] <nbusrone> artois : thanks will do all the reading on dd . Does dd able to get convert into virtualbox or P2V ? Actually I am reading using the guide here http://www.linux.org/threads/physical-to-virtual-p2v-using-virtualbox.7248/
[17:58] <ash_workz> TJ-: 237M
[17:59] <ash_workz> also, what about all those that are labeled "rc" (versions < ...30) ?
[18:00] <TJ-> ash_workz: so 161MB in-use, and about 50MB per kernel version required. Some of that looks to be because you've got -signed kernels installed. Are you using SecureBoot?
[18:00] <ash_workz> TJ-: yeah
[18:00] <ash_workz> I think
[18:01] <TJ-> ash_workz: 'r' = removed 'c' = conf files remain (not purged)
[18:01] <ash_workz> right
[18:01] <anabain> TJ-, this command: readlink -e /proc/20684/cwd , where 20684 is the output of pgrep dolphin, yields /home/user, and my dolphin is not there
[18:01] <ash_workz> TJ-: erm; I don't remember what I did last time, but I was able to get rid of the rc ones which apparently freed up enough space for updates necessary at the time
[18:03] <TJ-> ash_workz: you could remove the "linux-image-generic" and just keep the "linux-signed-image-generic", that might save about 7MB per version.
[18:04] <ash_workz> TJ-: is the partition simply too small?
[18:04] <TJ-> ash_workz: 'rc' isn't using space; it's just some config files under /etc/
[18:04] <TJ-> ash_workz: it could be bigger, yes. I use 768MB
[18:04] <wyrm_77> Ok I am a newby and need some help anyone ready to help
[18:04] <ash_workz> TJ-: how do you check if you're using secure boot? (I don't know for a fact that I am_
[18:04] <ash_workz> !ask
[18:04] <TJ-> ash_workz: how about "uname -a"
[18:05] <ash_workz> !ask wyrm_77
[18:05] <ash_workz> how do you direct a bot response to someone again?
[18:05] <eelstrebor> should i change /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf option from dns=dnsmasq to dns=none when using dnscrypt?
[18:06] <ash_workz> TJ-: what part of the output of that command would indicate secureboot?
[18:06] <TJ-> ash_workz: pipe it :)
[18:06] <TJ-> ash_workz: does it have the 'signed' word in it?
[18:06] <ash_workz> TJ-: no
[18:06] <ash_workz> just generic
[18:07] <TJ-> ash_workz: "cat /proc/cmdline" check the name of the kernel image
[18:07] <eelstrebor> (Ubuntu 14.04)
[18:08] <Dro> I just bought a new 500GB HDD & going to install ubuntu 14.04, any recommendations about partitions?
[18:08] <ash_workz> TJ-: that *does* say signed
[18:08] <TJ-> ash_workz: OK, so yes, SecureBoot :)
[18:09] <wyrm_77> ok 20 or so years ago I had an irc channnel and had a lot of fun but It has beeen a long time and I hardly remember anythig=ng but will catch on fast
[18:09] <ash_workz> TJ-: okay, so did the fact that I removed those even older images (rc -- configuration files I guess)  in the past spell problems for the future?
[18:09] <TJ-> Dro: use LVM then you can be flexible about space allocated to file-systems, and change it later with ease
[18:10] <TJ-> ash_workz: No, "apt-get remove" leaves conf-files in-place, in case the package is ever reinstalled. "apt-get purge" removes the conf-files too.
[18:11] <aq2> theres a command for automatically purging removed apps' configs
[18:12] <ash_workz> TJ-: I see... so if I for some reason needed to reinstall the old version that i removed, would those conf files be regenerated (with defaults?)
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> wyrm_77: you joined an ubuntu support channel to ask issues, welcome
[18:13] <anabain> TJ-, it's funny, firefox, konsole, dolphin, yield /home/user, but audacious does actually give the full path of the file being played...
[18:14] <wyrm_77> thnks is there some place I can get the basics
[18:14] <TJ-> anabain: it depends where the program is started from.
[18:14] <ash_workz> TJ-: so all in all, I should probably up the space on /boot/ ?
[18:14] <TJ-> ash_workz: if you're suffering, then yes
[18:15] <wyrm_77> I used to have a lot of things done automaticly but for got how
[18:15] <ash_workz> TJ-: that depends on your definition of suffering. 326MB of updates pending
[18:15] <ash_workz> TJ-: unless you have a better idea
[18:15] <TJ-> ash_workz: but those aren't headed for /boot/
[18:15] <TJ-> ash_workz: only kernel images and the associated generated initial ramdisk images are in /boot/
[18:16] <ash_workz> erm.. well I often get a "insufficient space" for updates
[18:16] <TJ-> ash_workz: is that due to another file-system running out of space, or only when kernel upgrades are being done?
[18:17] <ash_workz> TJ-: I dont remember, I have been putting off updates until I resolved this issue because of the same problem popping up again about 2 weeks ago
[18:17] <ash_workz> yeah, it says downloading generic
[18:17] <ash_workz> 43
[18:17] <ash_workz> so I will bet it triggers an insufficient space error
[18:17] <TJ-> ash_workz: do "apt-get update" first; that will not install additional kernels
[18:17] <TJ-> ash_workz: sorry, "apt-get upgrade"
[18:18] <ash_workz> I'll wait for the software updater to throw first
[18:18] <TJ-> ash_workz: then you'll be left with just 'new' packages, for which you need to do "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:18] <downbeam> hello
[18:18] <downbeam> hello
[18:19] <ash_workz> apt-get dist-upgrade won't push me onto a new base release of linux right? like 14.05 or something
[18:19] <anabain> TJ-, then that method can only give the starting dir for the process, not its actual dir, right? For pwd I meant the following: if dolphin currently is at /home/media/music dir, this is the dir that should be given using a CLI command.
[18:20] <TJ-> anabain: correct
[18:20] <ash_workz> !ask | downbeam
[18:20] <downbeam> i need to download autoCad but transmission wont show to download
[18:21] <ash_workz> that was more me just testing the pipe :P
[18:21] <TJ-> downbeam: autocad is proprietary Windows-based software
[18:22] <BPTtone> Hello all
[18:22] <wyrm_77> gona leave for a bit thanks
[18:22] <downbeam> i have wine TJ-
[18:22] <TJ-> downbeam: right; but we don't support pirating proprietary licensed software here
[18:23] <anabain> TJ-, and as for what I need, is there any way to do it?
[18:23] <BPTtone> I have a quick question. I am running ubuntu 12.04LTS with cinnamon DE. Is it normal for cinnamon --replace to be constantly running as a background process?
[18:23] <TJ-> anabain: not without modifying the program. best to ask the dolphon developers
[18:23] <TJ-> BPTtone: that's the command-line it was started with
[18:23] <anabain> ok, thanks, TJ-
[18:24] <BPTtone> OK, so nothing to worry about then... good
[18:24] <Glorfindel_> using ubuntu 15.10 if I let my laptop suspend while locked, it wakes up to a lockscreen with "light display manager"
[18:24] <Wunderhacker> Hello, i was just playing around wit ubuntu arm and for some reason it is not configuring the network. Thoughts?
[18:24] <Glorfindel_> none of my passwords work for this screen
[18:24] <Glorfindel_> how can I disable it?
[18:25] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: lightdm is the default display manager; do you mean you don't see the regular lockscreen greeter?
[18:25] <Glorfindel_> yes
[18:25] <Glorfindel_> I'm using lxde for a de
[18:25] <Glorfindel_> and usually the lock screen for that comes up
[18:25] <Daghdha> I ran sudo update-initramfs -u -k all
[18:25] <BPTtone> I was having an issue with videos freezing (in browser or stand alone video apps) and thought the desktop constantly calling cinnamon --replace might be the cause...
[18:26] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: sounds like the X server failed in some way; might be worth looking for logs "ls -latr /var/log/Xorg.*"  ... possibly there's an 'old' there for the failed session
[18:26] <Daghdha> Now it's updating a ton of boot images. I was wondering, why do i have so many and how can i remove some
[18:26] <TJ-> BPTtone: that sounds like the process is crashing and being auto-restarted
[18:26] <Wunderhacker> i'm having a probelm where my network is just not configuring on my new user
[18:26] <ash_workz> TJ-: is it hard to resize the space between partitions?
[18:26] <TJ-> ash_workz: if they're in use, yes
[18:27] <Wunderhacker> just booting to a live usb
[18:27] <TJ-> ash_workz: if there's spare space after the /boot/ partition, then it should be simple to extend into it
[18:27] <ash_workz> TJ-: so I have to do it at boot-time?
[18:27] <BPTtone> damn... is it safe to upgrade to the newest stable kernel on 12.04? or.... maybe that won't fix anything?
[18:27] <SaintMoriarty> Hello
[18:27] <Daghdha> i have 3.13.0- 35 36 37  39 40 43 44 45 46 48 49 52 53 54 55 57 58 61 62 63 65 66
[18:27] <TJ-> BPTtone: sounds like you may be seeing a compositor problem
[18:27] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: there are 6 files, half of which have .old appended
[18:28] <SaintMoriarty> when I run  service SERVICENAME stop I get "Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)....", I am running Trusty. Is this a known issue or is there a fix?
[18:28] <Daghdha> and 3.2.0-67
[18:28] <BPTtone> oh, man.... I'm scared to disable compiz though. don't want to break something
[18:28] <lerner> what do I have to do first? format to ext4 or encrypt to luks?
[18:29] <ioria> Glorfindel_, did you install Lubuntu or Ubuntu with lxde ?
[18:29] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: try to identify the two most recently touched by their timestamps, and check those. the current Xorg.0.log is likely the current, working, X server, so possibly Xorg.0.log.old might be the one, but use the timestamp to be sure
[18:29] <Glorfindel_> ioria: ubuntu with lxde
[18:29] <ash_workz> is there a rule of thumb for how large the swap space should be?
[18:29] <ioria> Glorfindel_,  how did tou install it  apt-get install lubuntu-desktop ?or install lxde ?
[18:30] <TJ-> SaintMoriarty: possibly SERVICENAME only has a /etc/init.d/ script ?
[18:30] <SaintMoriarty> yes its possible
[18:30] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: ok, most recent ones are Xorg.0.log and Xorg.1.log
[18:30] <SaintMoriarty> yes it does
[18:30] <Glorfindel_> ioria: lubuntu-desktop
[18:30] <SaintMoriarty> just checked
[18:30] <TJ-> ash_workz: if you want to support hibernation, 1.2 x RAM is a good guess. otherwise, its hand-wavy
[18:31] <ioria> Glorfindel_,  ok.... and it doesn't work ?
[18:31] <TJ-> SaintMoriarty: so possibly its just some weirdness in the code that thinks because the sysvinit script is being executed you didn't start from 'service'
[18:32] <BPTtone> disable compositing in compiz and launch compton? I have the default compton config file and everything....just never tried it
[18:32] <Glorfindel_> ioria: what doesn't work? lxde? It usually works, but if I have the screen locked and then close the lid (putting it to sleep) it shows a different lock screen and no passwords work
[18:32] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: the .0 .1 are X server numbers, which suggests you may have 2 X servers started
[18:32] <ash_workz> TJ-: I have seen that term thrown around... hibernation as in a form of "suspend" for the actual computer?
[18:32] <ioria> Glorfindel_,  ah, suspend issue, then
[18:33] <it_> ml
[18:33] <SaintMoriarty> TJ-, what do you recommend to fix it?
[18:33] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: when you resume and get that, Ctrl+Alt+F1 to a TTY, log-in, and do "ps -efly | grep X" and see if there are multiple X servers running
[18:33] <Glorfindel_> ioria: yes
[18:34] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: I am having that issue right now, and talking from tty 4 ;) I'll check right away
[18:34] <ioria> Glorfindel_,  ok , 14.04 or 15.10 ?
[18:34] <Glorfindel_> 15.20
[18:34] <Glorfindel_> er, .10
[18:34] <ioria> ok
[18:34] <BPTtone> Well, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I'm gonna try messing with compositing options
[18:35] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: looks like it, yes
[18:36] <Glorfindel_> I see four, tty7 tty8 tty1 and there is a ? where the ttyx were on teh others
[18:37] <Glorfindel_> I do have four ttys open, not counting the lock screen
[18:37] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: four instances of X ?!?!
[18:37] <Glorfindel_> I think so
[18:37] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: the command-path on the right side will start something like "/usr/bin/X :0 ..."
[18:38] <Glorfindel_> ahh, ok
[18:38] <Glorfindel_> two then
[18:38] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: that'll be tty7 and tty8 then
[18:38] <TJ-> so, try Alt+F7 to switch to what I think will be the 'original' X server; see what's there.
[18:38] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: does it have to start with /user though?
[18:39] <Glorfindel_> the font is large and it is hard to see where the lines break
[18:39] <ash_workz> TJ-: is the concept that everything in RAM gets written to swap prior to hibernation?
[18:39] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: no; that's the path to the exectuable; doesn't always have to show
[18:39] <TJ-> ash_workz: Yes, because power will be removed
[18:39] <ash_workz> I see
[18:40] <ash_workz> well, I have a little more than the amount of ram
[18:40] <ash_workz> I don't think I've run into problems suspending
[18:40] <ash_workz> erm
[18:40] <ash_workz> hibernating
[18:40] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: there are five paths I see, should I only count the ones that start with /usr/?
[18:40] <ash_workz> but I guess I could up it when I change the boot space
[18:41] <qqqqq> I just changed the path of the datadir of my mysql installation to: /home/ich/Database/mysql/ and then tried to restart the server, but now I am getting a socket error? How do I have to set the permissions correctly? database is a sub-dir but I don't want everybody to have access to my home.  chown -R mysql:mysql /home/ich/Database/mysql && chmod -R +755 /home/ich/Database/mysql does not work. I still get a socket error
[18:41] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: on tty7 is the lock screen that I can't get past
[18:42] <qqqqq> Any idea?
[18:42] <ash_workz> are you supposed to change partitions after the system is fully loaded?
[18:42] <GeekSquid> qqqqq: look at sql users google it, giving access to databases uses mysql's users not the local user
[18:43] <ash_workz> this tut I'm looking at says to unmount /boot/ but like... isn't boot in use right now?
[18:43] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: OK, try Ctrl+Alt+F8 and see if you get the expected greeter there
[18:44] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: I get the same screen, with one difference
[18:44] <Glorfindel_> on tty7 it shows a "this session is locked" black screen
[18:44] <downbeam> If i download a .tar where do i put it to make it executeable
[18:44] <qqqqq> GeekSquid: but I gave mysq:mysql access, see command I posted
[18:44] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: hmmm. Not sure what is going on. you might have to restart the X server to get in, which doesn't help if you left applications/documents open
[18:44] <Glorfindel_> and you have to wait several seconds to try to login, but tty8 is instant
[18:45] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: I don't care about the programs I have up
[18:45] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: but "sudo service lightdm restart" will restart things (or, it should)
[18:45] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: which release of ubuntu is it?
[18:45] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: if 15.04+ you may want "sudo systemctl restart lightdm.service"
[18:45] <Glorfindel_> on a slightly related note, I have the option to sleep on lid close set to off :|
[18:45] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: 15.10
[18:46] <MonkeyDust> Glorfindel_  cat /etc/issue
[18:46] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: so, the latter (systemd) command then
[18:46] <GeekSquid> qqqqq: you did a not-best-practices move, I'd revert to the old configruation and learn mysql some more, or ask in #mysql
[18:46] <Glorfindel_> ok
[18:46] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: there may be clues as to what is going wrong in the logs under /var/log/lightdm/ too, as well as the main Xorg.X.log files
[18:47] <Glorfindel_> ok, that worked
[18:48] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: what should I look for?
[18:48] <TJ-> Glorfindel_: indications of failures in the session/greeter. Hard to be precise.
[18:48] <TheRinger> Unity keeps locking up and throwing me out, here is the dmesg http://hastebin.com/xonajalitu.sm
[18:49] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: 'k
[18:50] <spoken> bruh
[18:50] <GeekSquid> TheRinger: how much ram do you have?
[18:50] <TheRinger> 8gb
[18:50] <spoken> 8 either
[18:51] <TheRinger> ?
[18:52] <GeekSquid> strange, the last line shows it ran out of memory, something is causing the memory to fill up, perhaps run top for a while and keep an eye on what is using all the memory.
[18:52] <TheRinger> it's using high amount of ram also, and only thing I am running atm is chrome and hexchat
[18:53] <GeekSquid> TheRinger: Chrome tends to do that sometimes, are you opening a lot of tabs
[18:53] <TheRinger> not really, 10 at most at one time
[18:54] <TheRinger> when I look at top and htop etc, I cannot see what could cause me to use 5.4 gb ram just running chrome and unity
[18:56] <GeekSquid> TheRinger: you have apt-get update and apt-get upgrade??
[18:56] <MonkeyDust> TheRinger  install 'preload', it may be useful
[18:56] <TheRinger> yah, do that regularly, this has been happening for about 3 weeks
[18:56] <TheRinger> MonkeyDust:, will try that
[18:59] <GeekSquid> TheRinger: also clear your browser cache and cookies
[19:01] <Wunderhacker> stange ubuntu problem the net work is not auto configuring help?
[19:02] <GeekSquid> !ask
[19:04] <Glorfindel_> TJ-: I'm not sure what I'm looking for, but I didn't see anything that looked bad to me...
[19:04] <Glorfindel_> you have enough time, and want to look at them?
[19:07] <TJ-> TheRinger needs to set "vm.overcommit_memory 2" and probably set the overcommit_ratio to something between 50 and 100
[19:08] <downbeam> How do i navigate to transmission?
[19:10] <u1x6b0> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 14.04 on a UEFI computer using an USB drive, using "Erase disk and install", but it fails with "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in SCSI5 (0,1,0), partition #2 (sda) at / failed"
[19:10] <downbeam> How do i navigate to transmission?
[19:10] <BluesKaj> downbeam, /usr/bin
[19:11] <MonkeyDust> downbeam  in a terminal, type   which transmission
[19:18] <ucarion> Hi all, I have a brand-new version of Ubuntu 14.04 and I'm trying to upgrade to 15.04, but everything freezes whenever I try to do this
[19:19] <ucarion> By freeze, I mean the keyboard doesn't do anything, the mouse doesn't do anything; I have to press the power button
[19:20] <BluesKaj> ucarion, best to do a clean install since trying to skip over 14,10 breaks the upgrade
[19:20] <MonkeyDust> ucarion  15.04 will soon be dead
[19:20] <MonkeyDust> next week or so
[19:20] <Drip> afternoon alll
[19:20] <ucarion> Alright, I'll try that
[19:21] <MonkeyDust> ucarion  and 16.
[19:21] <MonkeyDust> ucarion  and 16.04 will be released in april
[19:22] <hexagonSun_> hello ubuntu community, I'm using ubuntu 14.04 LTS and a nvidia graphic card, the thing is i'm using a TV as a monitor through the HDMI connection, so everytime I start my system I have to do an underscan using the NVIDIA X Server Settings, how can I make it so my system 'remembers' that underscan so I don't have to do it every single time I turn my system on? thank you in advantage.
[19:22] <ucarion> Well I'm trying to use a newer version of Ubuntu in the hope that Wi-Fi will work
[19:23] <MonkeyDust> ucarion  and what if it doesnt? go back to 14.04?
[19:23] <JinBaba> how to make crazy big sized file in linux/ubuntu using native utilities?
[19:24] <ucarion> MonkeyDust: IDK what I'd do if it doesn't work. Debugging Wi-Fi is not why I installed Ubuntu.
[19:24] <MonkeyDust> JinBaba  create a huge .iso
[19:24] <MonkeyDust> !wifi | ucarion start here
[19:25] <Drip> hello,  I am using Ubuntu 14.04. I am trying to set it so i can close the laptop and it not go into saver mode, I just want it to act like the screen was never shut. I have tried every setting I can find and nothing seems to work.
[19:27] <JinBaba> MonkeyDust, I don't want any working data in it.
[19:28] <JinBaba> I want it empty or whatever like somehow using /dev/null .. idk
[19:28] <MonkeyDust> JinBaba  there's also /dev/random
[19:29] <JinBaba> but idk how to use them for this purpose
[19:30] <SorcerousFox> Drip: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-to-do-nothing-when-i-close-my-laptop-lid
[19:30] <ucarion> MonkeyDust: I'll try to debug my network stuff later, since Ubuntu tends to freeze when I try some of that stuff
[19:31] <genii> JinBaba: fallocate
[19:31] <jannis> Hi, any idea why when I use Ubuntu 14.04 i got alot more batterytime on my laptop rather when i try mint 17.2?
[19:31] <LTCD> Hey. Where can I get a desktop theme like this, and the stuff on the right (CPU speed etc...). http://slackware.linuxfreedom.com/images/SlackwareDesktop1.jpg
[19:32] <nomic> zz.z
[19:33] <MonkeyDust> JinBaba  try dd if=/dev/zero of=myfile count=26214400
[19:34] <bhalash> LTCD: Looks like Conky or more likely a skin for gkrellm
[19:34] <bhalash> LTCD: Conky: https://github.com/brndnmtthws/conky GKrellM: http://gkrellm.srcbox.net/
[19:35] <LTCD> bhalash Technically I'm on Mint right now, but most likely will work.
[19:36] <JinBaba> genii, I tried 'fallocate -l 1G file', it returns fallocate failed: operation not supported
[19:36] <bhalash> LTCD: Mint is Ubuntu with some desktop bling tacked on. Same difference from my CLI viewpoint :)
[19:37] <bhalash> LTCD: By that I mean it is entirely the same backend. Mint == Ubuntu
[19:38] <LTCD> bhalash What I thought thanks.
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> bhalash  not entirely ... if Mint were the same as Ubuntu, there wouldnt be a differnet name
[19:38] <MonkeyDust> !mint
[19:41] <u1x6b0> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 14.04 on a UEFI computer using an USB drive, using "Erase disk and install", but it fails with "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in SCSI5 (0,1,0), partition #2 (sda) at / failed."
[19:41] <theminer1802> is anyone online
[19:41] <MonkeyDust> theminer1802  type /names
[19:41] <theminer1802> k
[19:45] <JinBaba> MonkeyDust, thanks that worked!
[19:46] <texla> I have 2 units hard wired to the same router both units running  ubuntu 14.04 I am trying  to set up network printer to both units..Unit 1 works just fine unit 2 has error  processing-waiting for printer to become available both units were set up with the same wording  This is a hp printer  Check lsusb unit 1 list HP  unit 2 does not  What is the problem and how to fix!!!!!
[19:46] <JinBaba> but I have a question however, it creates the file half size of what I specifies in the count, why is that so?
[19:47] <MonkeyDust> JinBaba  there's a limit to the max size, on my old laptop it's 25G
[19:48] <JinBaba> MonkeyDust, that could be the limit of your filesystem in use.
[19:49] <JinBaba> but that still doesn't answers my question
[19:49] <JinBaba>  it creates the file half size of what I specifies in the count, why is that so?
[19:49] <Abe> skype only provides verions of Ubuntu up to 12.04. where can I find the most recent version?
[19:50] <MonkeyDust> Abe  activate the partner repo, sudo apt update, sudo apt install skype, done
[19:50] <Abe> I have this one installed is this the most recent version?
[19:51] <MonkeyDust> !info skype
[19:51] <MonkeyDust> hm
[19:51] <Abe> I use trusty
[19:52] <MonkeyDust> Abe  me too... skype 4.3.0.37 here
[19:52] <Abe> I mean that version is ok, but I was hoping for an update one day
[19:53] <Abe> yes I have the same version
[19:55] <alessio> we
[19:55] <alessio> yo
[19:57] <Sadegh> Hello, I am sadegh and a new friend in ubuntu social. I have a big problem about installation ubuntu server 14.04 on my home server. I think this problem is about motherboard raid1(mirror)
[19:57] <zaggynl> hi, how do I setup a connection to an smb share with dolphin? smb://ip/mount doesn't seem to work
[19:57] <Sadegh> Could you help me?
[19:57] <lerner> hi, how do I return from root to regular user?
[19:58] <MonkeyDust> lerner  exit
[19:58] <Sadegh> I asked about this problem in below link, but nobody help me. http://askubuntu.com/questions/720824/after-installation-ubuntu-server-14-04-show-blank-screen-and-cant-login-proble
[19:58] <lerner> thanx MonkeyDust
[19:59] <django_> hey all wahts a good free windows VM?
[20:00] <BluesKaj> none
[20:00] <MonkeyDust> django_  this is ubuntu support
[20:00] <django_> lol
[20:00] <django_> err i meant ubuntu VM
[20:00] <django_> my bad
[20:00] <django_> like a windows VM I can use on my ubuntu machine
[20:00] <MonkeyDust> django_  i use vmware player for W10
[20:01] <django_> ok thanks
[20:02] <BluesKaj> I had W10 dual boot setup , but i never used W10 so i dumped it.
[20:03] <BluesKaj> it was useless to me
[20:08] <texla> I have 2 units hard wired to the same router both units running  ubuntu 14.04 I am trying  to set up network printer to both units..Unit 1 works just fine unit 2 has error  processing-waiting for printer to become available both units were set up with the same wording  This is a hp printer  Check lsusb unit 1 list HP  unit 2 does not  What is the problem and how to fix!!!!
[20:08] <anticore> DigitalPimpS0n
[20:09] <TJ-> texla: you just told us yourself - it's a network printer, but you've connected it via USB to unit 1
[20:12] <Sadegh> could you help me about this problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2310040&p=13423681#post13423681
[20:16] <bahax> Hi, I'm trying to boot xubuntu 10.4 on an old desktop (1 giga ram) and it's giving me an authentication error on tty1 to tty6, any idea?
[20:18] <bahax> wow, I tried again and it booted, although I've tried many times before but had 2 HDDs connected, thanks anyway :)
[20:20] <aq2> bahax: you may need to update grub to make it load other operating systems from other drives too.
[20:21] <sergio__> hola
[20:21] <aq2> xfce, lxde and mate will probably be lighter desktop environments though :) mate is pretty full-featured too
[20:21] <sergio__> alguien de habla hispana
[20:21] <u1x6b0> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 14.04 on a UEFI computer using an USB drive, using "Erase disk and install", but it fails with "The attempt to mount a file system with type ext4 in SCSI5 (0,1,0), partition #2 (sda) at / failed."
[20:21] <Abe> can you access a simcard and save the contacts in linux?
[20:21] <aq2> u1x6b0: boot to windows, disable fast boot, try again.
[20:21] <Abe> SIM Card
[20:22] <sergio__> some body, can help me
[20:22] <compdoc> whats a good directory to use for temp files for a program?
[20:22] <u1x6b0> aq2: it doesn't have windows installed
[20:22] <aq2> Ok
[20:22] <aq2> then that's not the problem.
[20:22] <aq2> i dont know how to help you :(
[20:22] <u1x6b0> :( thanks for trying though
[20:22] <aq2> !es sergio__
[20:22] <sergio__> yes, i have installed ubuntu mate
[20:23] <aq2> !es | sergio__
[20:23] <sergio__> but i can use the keyboard with some letters
[20:24] <sergio__> I CAN NOT USE SOME WORDS OF MY KEYBOARD
[20:25] <sergio__> gracias ubottu, soy nuevo en esto
[20:25] <ioria> u1x6b0, what you had on that pc ?
[20:26] <SchrodingersScat> !info cardpeek | Abe I've never used this, so idk what you can pull with it, I don't even know what you need to read a SIM card, but it mentions sim cards in apt-cache show cardpeek , found with apt-cache search sim.card or apt-cache search sim.*card for me.
[20:26] <sergio__> I hava a LG
[20:26] <sergio__> laptop
[20:26] <ioria> u1x6b0, may be a partition table problem
[20:27] <u1x6b0> ioria: I had windows 7 on a separate drive, which I removed
[20:27] <u1x6b0> ioria: I selected "Erase disk and install" though, shouldn't that also set up a new partition table?
[20:28] <ioria> u1x6b0, in theory ...  yes :þ
[20:30] <u1x6b0> If I take out the drive and put it in another PC and install there, it works, so I think it might be something with my PC
[20:32] <ioria> u1x6b0, your pc is 64 -bit  , isn't it ?
[20:33] <u1x6b0> yes
[20:33] <ioria> u1x6b0, it work from live ? i mean,  "try ubuntu"
[20:33] <ioria> *s
[20:35] <u1x6b0> Yes, I can load it and it works
[20:35] <ioria> u1x6b0, can you paste  sudo parted -l   ?
[20:37] <Dro> I just installed ubuntu 14.04 , I added a swap partition, but when i check top / free -m swap is 0 , why?
[20:37] <ioria> u1x6b0, and are using usb2 or usb3 port ?
[20:39] <aq2> Dro: because everything fits into your ram just fine.
[20:40] <Dro> aq2: why it don't show the size of swap ?
[20:40] <aq2> i dont know
[20:40] <Dro> in free -m i see : swap total: 0 used : 0 free : 0
[20:40] <peaceful> Hi
[20:43] <doomwhisp> Are "WebUpd8 PPA" and "Medibuntu" trustable additional repos for Ubuntu?
[20:44] <SchrodingersScat> !ppa
[20:44] <ioria> i don't know if Medibuntu is still alive ...  i think not
[20:45] <EriC^^> does anybody know how i can use a html file as a background wallpaper?
[20:45] <ioria> you take a screenshot
[20:46] <aq2> i think he wants to get all the links etc too
[20:46] <EriC^^> no i mean an actual html file, like if you click on a link it'll open etc
[20:46] <aq2> rigth
[20:46] <aq2> right
[20:46] <EriC^^> i want to make a desktop with stuff from the web and a nice search bar etc.
[20:46] <ioria> i see
[20:46] <EriC^^> tried gdesklets , it sucks, also tried devilspie with firefox but i can't remove the tabs
[20:46] <doomwhisp> ubottu, ioria , my goal is to install the latest version of Callegro. Is there any other way to do that?
[20:47] <u1x6b0> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/14510095/ (There's also a warning about GPT signatures on the usb drive that contains the live OS, but that's a different device)
[20:47] <u1x6b0> The usb drive is in a USB 3 port
[20:47] <django_> hey all
[20:47] <ioria> u1x6b0, try 2
[20:47] <django_> having trouble with linux screen: http://imgur.com/gqr47xM
[20:48] <SchrodingersScat> django_: screen -d -r 1112
[20:49] <ioria> u1x6b0,  have you tried to remove those partition with gparted ?
[20:49] <Spec> or screen -x 1112
[20:49] <django_> grr
[20:49] <django_> ty
[20:49] <ioria> EriC^^, have you seen this http://superuser.com/questions/419195/set-an-html-page-as-the-wallpaper-on-linux ?
[20:50] <acces> Hello
[20:50] <Gator> Hi
[20:51] <acces> je crois j y comprendrai jamais rien a ubuntu....
[20:51] <EriC^^> ioria: no, thanks
[20:51] <lahaugen87> English, acces
[20:51] <EriC^^> does anybody know of a very lightweight browser, that can look without tabs etc. without going into fullscreen mode?
[20:52] <EriC^^> i could use that with devilspie to remove the window decoration and put it behind everything
[20:52] <Surendil> EriC^^,  links2?
[20:52] <EriC^^> Surendil: something gui
[20:52] <bigboy69> lynx?
[20:52] <ioria> EriC^^   links,  g-links, midori ... uxbl
[20:52] <EriC^^> no i mean lightweight but still gui
[20:53] <ioria> EriC^^   uzbl
[20:53] <ioria> !info uzbl
[20:53] <EriC^^> thanks
[20:53] <Surendil> EriC^^, links2 has gui too
[20:53] <ioria> yesd g-link
[20:54] <acces> my ass is full ! idiot here on ubuntu,fuck material away lag,i remove paquet,fuck loose network.....i install another os,fuck loose first boot.....oh fuk computer lag for simple order....omygad to rude ubuntu for me
[20:54] <EriC^^> ioria: uzbl seems perfect, except for that tiny tab at the bottom i wonder if it can removed?
[20:54] <SchrodingersScat> !language | acces
[20:54] <EriC^^> Surendil: it does?
[20:55] <SchrodingersScat> links2 -g
[20:55] <ioria> EriC^^   oh yes ... but i don't know how ... you can try link in graphical mode
[20:55] <acces> uais la,nguage....np i move.....
[20:55] <EriC^^> wow it cant render to save its life
[20:56] <EriC^^> ioria: uzbl seems great
[20:56] <ioria> EriC^^   ok
[20:57] <EriC^^> thanks ioria
[20:58] <ioria> EriC^^   np
[20:58] <Surendil> EriC^^, i've installed link2 and i got the GUI version too
[20:58] <EriC^^> it wouldn't render google.com at all for me Surendil
[20:58] <EriC^^> just came out a bunch of text next to eachother, no image etc
[20:59] <SchrodingersScat> Weird, I get the google logo, etc.
[20:59] <u1x6b0> ioria: I rebooted from USB 2, with the same error. I opened gparted, but it now displays the disk as "unallocated", and parted -l says "unrecognised disk label".
[21:00] <SchrodingersScat> EriC^^: http://i.imgur.com/YEIssC9.png
[21:00] <ioria> u1x6b0,  it's ok,  start the installer on the desktop
[21:01] <ioria> links2 -g    to start it
[21:01] <EriC^^> SchrodingersScat: nice
[21:01] <EriC^^> i'm typing links2 -g google.com
[21:02] <EriC^^> same thing with links2 -g
[21:02] <erwyn> Hello Guys, I have a stupid question. Why use a firewall instead of simply not open ports? I mean, as long as the ports are not open on your machine/server you are not "really" at risk, and the port you want to open (ssh for instance) you will open them on the firewall too.
[21:02] <aq2> erwyn: right, thats why you don't really need the firewall.
[21:02] <ChibaPet> erwyn: Defense against listeners being opened without your knowledge.
[21:02] <aq2> i prefer to turn it on anyway just because it doesn't hurt though :)
[21:02] <aq2> but thats just me
[21:03] <u1x6b0> ioria: Okay, started
[21:03] <ioria> u1x6b0,  if the automatic partition fails, you can try 'Something else' and set a  boot Efi partition and a root one
[21:04] <erwyn> okay, thanks for the answer. I was fighting myself in my head. Now, I will activate it just in case. It is just that I wanted to be sure to fully understand the implications
[21:04] <erwyn> so, iptables for the server or something else?
[21:05] <aq2> i think ufw just controls iptables
[21:05] <ioria> u1x6b0,  i don't know if you have this option in your bios "enable IOMMU support in the UEFI BIOS" ... but seems to causes some troubles
[21:06] <erwyn> aq2: ah, that's what I was thinking too. So I will probably stick with this. Thanks for the tip!
[21:07] <jmadero> is there a way to fix this error without the sudo apt-get -f install?  libstdc++6 : Breaks: libkolabxml1 (<= 1.1.0-3) but 1.0.1-0ubuntu3 is installed
[21:07] <jmadero> if I force the install it's going to break my system...so I'd prefer "undoing" the attempt
[21:07] <peaceful> How can i upgrade to 16.04?
[21:07] <aq2> erwyn: you're welcome
[21:07] <jmadero> peaceful: it's not released yet
[21:07] <jmadero> you'd be installing a pre-release that isn't stable
[21:07] <ioria> EriC^^   weird, no problem here
[21:08] <aq2> there we go :)
[21:08] <jmadero> peaceful: there is no way that I know of to "upgrade" from a stable release to an alpha LTS - you'd have to download the ISO and install from scratch - and it is most definitely an alpha stage right now
[21:08] <peaceful> jmadero, i know
[21:09] <peaceful> jmadero, wrong
[21:09] <jmadero> peaceful: wrong what
[21:09] <jmadero> I've used it...it's an alpha release
[21:09] <peaceful> you can upgrade to 16.04
[21:09] <jmadero> you can hack a fake upgrade by updating your sources.list
[21:09] <jmadero> that's not the same as an upgrade
[21:09] <peaceful> i dont need to hack
[21:10] <ChibaPet> peaceful: Is there a method other than modifying sources.list and dist-upgrading?
[21:10] <peaceful> update-manager -d
[21:10] <ChibaPet> I had assumed that was simply how you'd want to do it. Now I'm curious.
[21:10] <ChibaPet> Hm, unfamiliar with it. I'll read about it.
[21:11] <jmadero> peaceful: that works for alpha releases?
[21:11] <jmadero> I didn't think they pushed the packages for update-manager until after final release
[21:11] <peaceful> jmadero, ChibaPet: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upgrades
[21:11] <jmadero> yes I know about that
[21:11] <jmadero> I've done an upgrade before (although I almost always do fresh installs)
[21:11] <peaceful> Scroll to "Upgrading to development releases"
[21:12] <jmadero> peaceful: so that's working for you right now?
[21:12]  * jmadero isn't going to try as I don't want alpha software on my stable machine
[21:12] <ChibaPet> Oh, more surprises. I didn't know Ubuntu used aptitude officially.
[21:12] <peaceful> jmadero, yes its wokring
[21:12] <jmadero> interesting, thanks for teaching me something
[21:13] <jmadero> now I'll avoid update-manager -d at all costs :-b
[21:13] <jmadero> would hate to get alpha level software into my machine
[21:13] <peaceful> jmadero, you dont get alpha level software
[21:13] <peaceful> you get latest apps
[21:13] <jmadero> it's an alpha stage
[21:13] <jmadero> thus alpha level
[21:13] <peaceful> but apps arent alpha
[21:13] <jmadero> some of them clearly are
[21:13] <peaceful> which ones?
[21:13] <jmadero> well Unity is going to be
[21:14] <peaceful> ah unity
[21:14] <jmadero> anything created by Canonical
[21:14] <peaceful> yes
[21:14] <peaceful> i dont care about that
[21:14] <jmadero> which is going to be a lot of packages....
[21:14] <jmadero> the crash manager that Canonical created and uses
[21:14] <peaceful> For example development tools - you get latest
[21:14] <peaceful> i use my machine to tinker around so i dont care about security or stability
[21:15] <jmadero> then you're probably set ;)
[21:15] <jmadero> I use mine for daily work....
[21:16] <jmadero> although announcing in a public chat you don't care about security is an interesting choice :-b
[21:16] <peaceful> jmadero, keep in mind ubuntu team are exaggerating with stability and security :)
[21:17] <jmadero> it just means that they'll backport fixes in LTS builds as they become available
[21:17] <jmadero> which they do
[21:17] <peaceful> jmadero, im in good Hands
[21:17] <peaceful> I have God firewall
[21:17] <jmadero> I actually use a fork of 14.04 so I don't keep up to date with Ubuntu releases/packages per say
[21:18] <peaceful> jmadero, i like everything latest :)
[21:18] <peaceful> specially development tools
[21:18] <jmadero> peaceful: I was like that for the first 2-4 years of using Linux, then stability became more important
[21:18] <jmadero> as for individual packages, I just go hunt them out and install them individually if I want latest and greatest
[21:19] <peaceful> jmadero, maybe i should become hunter as well
[21:19] <peaceful> but im lazy
[21:19] <jmadero> peaceful: and then you risk breaking everything still :-b I'm fighting that because I build LibreOffice and cpp update just borked other parts of my system....but if you like to tinker than it seems fine what yo udo
[21:20] <peaceful> jmadero, yeah
[21:20] <peaceful> jmadero, im using ubuntu MATE
[21:20] <jmadero> peaceful: nice, I use Bodhi Linux generally
[21:21] <TJ-> jmadero: you should do those things in a container, or chroot, to isolate it from the running system
[21:21] <jmadero> TJ-: yes I know :-/ laziness
[21:21] <jmadero> TJ-: usually it works....this time it didn't lol
[21:22] <wahyu> I want to ask ya, his password before I OFF , nah but why after I ON again , the selection keys Locknya so it does not exist? Then log in to dekstopnya can not pke password , log in and then discharged ( no password ) the time has entered the desktop , type the password keyring order ..
[21:22] <wahyu> Now I ask :
[21:22] <wahyu> 1. How do I restore the original sprti ? ( Log in to desktop use passwords , keys Lock option it did not disappear )
[21:22] <wahyu> 2. How hilangin keyring way after we log in ? Though it was never told sebelum2 enter the keyring password after logging in
[21:22] <wahyu> I'm waiting for an answer from this group 🙂 . Thank you..
[21:24] <TJ-> !id | wahyu your English is very hard to understand, you may find better help in
[21:25] <peaceful> that's cool bot
[21:25] <JFlash> hi, please someone help me, I can only access some websites in my home wifi connection such as facebook and anything from google
[21:25] <JFlash> evrything else times out
[21:25] <TJ-> JFlash: IPv6 again?
[21:25] <jmadero> JFlash:  that's not going to be a ubuntu issue
[21:25] <JFlash> hey TJ- , nice to see you
[21:26] <JFlash> i eventually lost contact yesterday, can you help me fix it?
[21:26] <JFlash> TJ-, i has not improved since
[21:26] <JFlash> it*
[21:27] <JFlash> btw, I downloaded chrome on macosx and I had the same problems that I have using safari
[21:27] <JFlash> anything from google plus youtube plus facebook work
[21:27] <wahyu> sorry speaking english me not good
[21:28] <TJ-> JFlash: as I said last time we covered this; the issue is that your network DNS caching server/relay is not falling back to IPv4 if IPv6 records don't exist in the target domain
[21:29] <JFlash> TJ-, dammit, so how do I  get rid of it?
[21:29] <TJ-> JFlash: so you can reach hosts that serve on IPv6, but not those that only have DNS IPv4 host records.
[21:29] <JFlash> and where is this "dns cache server"
[21:29] <TJ-> JFlash: its affecting multiple systems inside your local network, yes?
[21:30] <TJ-> JFlash: as I recall, an Ubuntu PC and an Apple Mac ?
[21:30] <JFlash> well probably , but i'm only sure about my two computers
[21:30] <JFlash> exactly
[21:30] <TJ-> JFlash: as it affects 2 different OSes the problem is 90% likely to be in the gateway/router device, and how it is handling local DNS look-ups.
[21:31] <JFlash> goddamit, and how do I fix it?
[21:31] <JFlash> it's not mine btw, it's shared
[21:31] <TJ-> JFlash: check on both PCs as to what DNS nameservers they're given by DHCP. If it is the address of the gateway/router then that is where the problem is.
[21:31] <JFlash> what's the command to list this information on ubuntu?
[21:31] <TJ-> JFlash: if however your PCs get the public nameserver addresses of the ISP, then its an ISP issue
[21:32] <wahyu> I want to ask her password before I OFF , but why after I ON again , the selection keys Locknya be lost ? Then log in to the password dekstopnya can not , then depleted log in ( no password ) the time has entered the desktop , type the password keyring order
[21:32] <TJ-> JFlash: you should be able to find it with "grep nameserver /var/log/syslog"
[21:33] <TJ-> JFlash: you'll see something like "... NetworkManager[1358]: <info>    nameserver '10.254.1.254'  "
[21:34] <cdoty> so I am running into a small issue at a new job.  A member of the board requires that all systems use authentication from our main windows system.  does anyone have a recomendation for what activedirectory way works the best.
[21:34] <TJ-> JFlash: in my case 10.x.y.z is a private address range, being part of my LAN, and is the gateway
[21:34] <Surendil> cdoty, ldap
[21:34] <bekks> cdoty: auth against LDAP.
[21:34] <TJ-> cdoty: you can use pam_ldap
[21:34] <JFlash> TJ-, http://pastie.org/private/btmbak99a0gphqfmrvmrq
[21:35] <wahyu> please help me guys
[21:35] <cdoty> thanks. i was looking on the help.ubuntu and they called out a few options
[21:35] <TJ-> !info libpam-ldap | cdoty
[21:35] <bob2017> can someone tell me how i can disable the radeon driver and force ubuntu to try to use vesa?
[21:36] <cdoty> thank you everyone
[21:36] <ChibaPet> Hey all. I've got a newish laptop with a Realtek RTL8402 (r8169 driver) where after sleep, the ethernet port is unrespondive until I unload and reload the r8169 driver. Is this report-worthy?
[21:36] <TJ-> JFlash: You can see the 1st DNS server is 89.248.164.59, and the 2nd 8.8.8.8 (that is Google)
[21:36] <ChibaPet> wahyu: Your English was difficult to understand. Could you please rephrase your question? We were unable to grasp what you were asking, unfortunately.
[21:37] <JFlash> TJ-, so what it all means? Does it mean I will be stuck the whole weekend wihtout internet access?
[21:37] <ChibaPet> unresponsive*
[21:37] <ChibaPet> Oh, FWIW, I'm on 14.04 with Linux 3.19.0-43
[21:38] <bob2017> chibapet- any idea about how to disable radeon and force the use of the vesa driver?
[21:38] <TJ-> JFlash: the first is "indohosting.info" and doesn't response, and has a bad reverse-lookup record in DNS too
[21:38] <ChibaPet> bob2017: Let me look. My first thought is still xorg.conf but give me a moment.
[21:38] <TJ-> JFlash: have you added those 2 nameserver addresses manually to your wifi connection settings?
[21:38] <bob2017> chibapet: i want to pull the driver out entirely so there’s no way the kernel can load it
[21:38] <ChibaPet> bob2017: Worst case, you could render the Radeon drivers unavailable one way or another.
[21:39] <ChibaPet> That. Heh.
[21:39] <JFlash> TJ-, I doubt I have added anything manually
[21:39] <ChibaPet> So, assuming it's not built in, you could always see how you fare moving it out of /lib/modules/...
[21:39] <TJ-> JFlash: I ask because that log shows it was using 192.18.0.254 earlier in the day
[21:39] <bob2017> chibapet: well actually that’s what i want to do… how would i do that?
[21:40] <TJ-> bob2017: ChibaPet use an /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist entry
[21:40] <JFlash> TJ-,  this is the firest time I turn on the computer today, i was out all day
[21:40] <ChibaPet> bob2017: What TJ- is suggesting is probably the safer method as upgrades won't put it back behind your back.
[21:41] <TJ-> JFlash: oh, yesterday then, look at the timstamps
[21:41] <JFlash> yesterday I may have taken the computer to work
[21:41] <wahyu> how to log in to the desktop is missing option lock user admin
[21:41] <bob2017> chibapet & tj- : ok do you know what the blacklist entries would be?
[21:41] <JFlash> yes, I think I did
[21:42] <ChibaPet> bob2017: Um you'd want to note the Radeon driver in question. It ought to be noted in /var/log/Xorg.0.log I believe.
[21:42] <TJ-> bob2017: "echo 'blacklist radeon' | sudo tee -a of=/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-radeon.conf"
[21:42] <JFlash> TJ-, anything with timestamp later than 9 am and earlier than 7 pm should be office wifi
[21:42] <TJ-> bob2017: sorry, typo there
[21:42] <bob2017> tj- so its just “radeon”?
[21:42] <TJ-> bob2017: that's better! "echo 'blacklist radeon' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-radeon.conf"
[21:43] <ChibaPet> I'm just going to shut up as TJ- consistently provides more detailed and better answers. :P
[21:43] <bob2017> tk- and i should put it in blacklist-radeon not just blacklist.conf?
[21:43] <bob2017> chibapet - but you have been helpful and i thank you for that
[21:43] <ChibaPet> bob2017: Cleaner if it's in its own file.
[21:43] <TJ-> bob2017: having a separate file makes it easy to track/remove/etc
[21:43] <bob2017> is there a way to remove the driver with, as they say, Extreme Prejudice?
[21:43] <TJ-> bob2017: yes, but every kernel upgrade will install a new one
[21:44] <ChibaPet> bob2017: I could be utterly confused, but make sure you have ".conf" in the filename, as I have this recollection that that matters for this.
[21:44] <bob2017> chibapet: yes i was using shorthand
[21:44] <ChibaPet> kk
[21:44] <TJ-> bob2017: ChibaPet is correct; file must end in .conf
[21:44] <bob2017> tj- i would happily give up upgrading the kernel.
[21:44] <TJ-> bob2017: what problem are you solving with this ?
[21:44] <ChibaPet> FWIW, "extreme prejudice" might involve chattr, but what TJ- recommends is the cleanest option.
[21:44] <bob2017> if something is in blacklist, can you force-load it manually?
[21:44] <TJ-> bob2017: Yes
[21:45] <bob2017> tj-:  This is a descriptio of what’s going on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2309975
[21:45] <bob2017> i’ll give you a chance to read that and then give disabling radeon a try
[21:46] <JFlash> TJ-, thanks for finding out what it is. what can I do to not be stuck without internet all weekend?
[21:47] <ChibaPet> bob2017: Oh, right, the Mac. FWIW, I might be trying an install on a macbook11,1 this weekend.
[21:47] <wahyu> how to ward off attacks from mdk3 or tuxcut guys?
[21:47] <bob2017> chibapet: i’m pretty sure this is because of the two video cards from different vendors, which is just a weirdness of my configuration, and frankly wasn’t even intended
[21:47] <TJ-> JFlash: manually configure the DNS server addresses in the Wifi Connection Settings, under the IPv4 or IPv6 tabs
[21:47] <bob2017> wahyu: have you tried updog?
[21:48] <TJ-> bob2017: Oh, is that all that is wrong. Then on the 2nd boot my bet would be a custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf was created that tries to use that nvidia GPU as well as the AMD, and gets confused.
[21:48] <TJ-> bob2017: are you on that system right now?
[21:48] <JFlash> TJ-, but what should I "manually configure" it to?
[21:49] <bob2017> tj- yeah, at one point that was happening, but even after completing wipuing out nouveau, i was able to confirm in the logs that it wasn’t trying nvidia.  it did boot further, but not all the way
[21:49] <TJ-> JFlash: start with 8.8.8.8 only, you should only need the one
[21:49] <bob2017> tj- yeah i’m logged in through mac os x now
[21:49] <TJ-> bob2017: can you do "pastebinit <( lspci -nnk )"
[21:50] <bob2017> tj- mac doesn’t have lspci
[21:50] <JFlash> TJ-, any google links?
[21:50] <bob2017> hold on let me find the command you want
[21:50] <JFlash> ah.. cannot load google results. sucs
[21:50] <JFlash> sucks*
[21:50] <wahyu> bob2017 : What do you mean?
[21:50] <ChibaPet> bob2017: Ooh, so, this might be an opportunity for evil. Erase xorg.conf, see if a boot works. If it does, copy it, see if what's there second boot is different.
[21:51] <ChibaPet> bob2017: If it *is* different, until you find and correct the root cause, you could always chattr the working version of xorg.conf.
[21:51] <TJ-> JFlash: open the network manager applet's Connection Editor, choose the Wifi connection, go to the IPv4 tab, choose method "automatic (addresses only)", then in the nameserver text edits add 8.8.8.8 then save and reconnect
[21:51] <ChibaPet> bob2017: Lastly, if the working version ends up being "autoconfigured, there was no xorg.conf" you might make an empty one immutable.
[21:52] <bob2017> dammit it looks like installing lspci is going to be a pain
[21:52] <bob2017> tj- if there’s a more specific question, i can answer it from system info without lspci
[21:52] <ChibaPet> bob2017: Explore the xorg.conf ideas.
[21:52] <TJ-> bob2017: I wanted to see the exact Linux messages including IDs and loaded drivers
[21:52] <bob2017> chibapet: i havd tried deleting xorg.conf and forcing it to rebuild
[21:53] <bob2017> tj- oh well i have to reboot for that because i’m in mac os now
[21:53] <TJ-> bob2017: but, if you've got it dual-booting, and have access to the Linux file-system, than pastebin the /var/log/kern.log will be an alternative
[21:53] <TJ-> bob2017: from the linux root file-system, not from the Mac!
[21:53] <ChibaPet> bob2017: Oh, I just re-read your thing. First boot isn't magical/working.
[21:54] <bob2017> tj- yeah i found it, but its a 470k file.  how do you want it?
[21:54] <ucarion> !wifi
[21:54] <TJ-> bob2017: can you pipe it through 'tail -n 500' ?
[21:54] <bob2017> tj you mean last 500 lines? sure i’ll pastebin if
[21:54] <bob2017> it
[21:54] <TJ-> bob2017: yes please
[21:55] <bob2017> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14511542/
[21:57] <sergio__> hola
[21:57] <sergio__> he instalado ubuntu MATE y algunas teclas no me funciona alguien puede ayudarme ???
[21:58] <JFlash_> I'm back \o/
[21:58] <bob2017> tj- that was like last few hundred lines.  This:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/14511559/  is the result of searching the log for AMD, nouveau, and radeon
[21:58] <JFlash_> TJ-, ERR_SOCKET_NOT_CONNECTED
[21:58] <bob2017> tj- note that this log is from a system where i had not disabled nouveau (an experiment with ubuntu server)
[21:58] <JFlash_> TJ-, still the same thing for me :(
[22:02] <JFlash> TJ-, don't abandon me in this moment of pain :'(
[22:03] <hwbh> the big question is, is mint the best linux distribution,... or is there a better one ?
[22:03] <TJ-> bob2017: I've generated a raw list of the devices to begin with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14511620/
[22:03] <ChibaPet> JFlash: Can you summarize the issue for me?
[22:03] <bob2017> tj- what should i do with that list?
[22:04] <TJ-> JFlash: check in syslog that 8.8.8.8 is the only one being used now, with "grep nameserver /var/log/syslog" and look at the last line
[22:04] <TJ-> bob2017: nothing as yet; I'm keeping you up-to-date on progress of reconstructing the lspci output, manually :)
[22:05] <bob2017> tj- lol thank you… is this a good time for me to try rebooting and forcing vesa? will probably take me 20 min to get back
[22:05] <yzT> does anyone else have extremely slow download speed today? Installed Ubuntu earlier today, average download speed around 60KB/s. Thought that was a temporary issue and forgot about it. Now I'm trying again, still downloading pretty slow, 150KB/s max. I've tried default repos for Spain as well as Main repos
[22:05] <JFlash> ChibaPet, can only access some websites such as google and facebook. TJ- has asked me to run ping, ping6, traceroute and he things it's a IPV6 server cache problem
[22:05] <JFlash> I will repaste what he said
 JFlash: as I said last time we covered this; the issue is that your network DNS caching server/relay is not falling back to IPv4 if IPv6 records don't exist in the target domain
[22:06] <ChibaPet> JFlash: In a pastebin would be best. Anyway, if you can access some sites, that makes me think your local machine is probably okay, unless there's reason to believe otherwise.
[22:06] <ChibaPet> JFlash: bpaste.net or similar please
[22:07] <JFlash> I'm done
[22:07] <bob2017> tj- oh one thing… before i reboot, when i’m in livecd i should probably make a list of what drivers are in use.  is that lspci?  any other diagnostics i should collect data from while I’m in through livecd and everything is actually up and running?
[22:07] <ChibaPet> JFlash: So, I believe he suggested that you manually pop in 8.8.8.8 as a known-good DNS server, for testing.
[22:07] <scootero> hello there!
[22:07] <Surendil> JFlash, wouldn't be better to change DNS servers on the router instead?
[22:07] <ChibaPet> JFlash: Did you do that and verify that it's being used?
[22:08] <Surendil> ChibaPet, 8.8.8.8 is google DNS server
[22:08] <scootero> can someone tell me the default path of the ssh.conf file
[22:08] <ChibaPet> Surendil: I believe it was suggested for troubleshooting porpoises only.
[22:08] <ChibaPet> scootero: /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[22:08] <ChibaPet> scootero: Alternately, ~/.ssh/config
[22:09] <JFlash> http://pastie.org/private/xtwrchltcmzfpm5wskfag
[22:09] <scootero> thank you so much....   i think i deleted it by accident
[22:09] <JFlash> ChibaPet, I dont see it in the last line
[22:10] <hwbh> can anyone tell me what a 'rag head' is please ?
[22:10] <ChibaPet> JFlash: NetworkManager is a special thing. How did you specify the nameserver?
[22:10] <bob2017> hwbh: its a derogatory term for arab, referring to the headwhatever that saudi’s wear
[22:10] <hwbh> oh right, thank you bob2017... i had no idea.
[22:11] <JFlash> ChibaPet, what I did is follow TJs instruction of going to wifi settings, ipv4 tab, set it to adresses only and add 8.8.8.8 as the dns name server and  save and than restart, reconnect
[22:12] <ChibaPet> JFlash: you specified it as manual?
[22:12] <JFlash> no
[22:12] <Surendil> JFlash, wouldn't be easier to change resolv.conf?
[22:12] <JFlash> as DHCP (adresses only)
[22:12] <ChibaPet> Surendil: if he's using dhcp it'll get nuked
[22:12] <bob2017> ok i guess i’ll try it now
[22:12] <bob2017> tj- back in 20 min or so!
[22:13] <ChibaPet> JFlash: specify it as manual
[22:13] <JFlash> what about ipv6 tab?
[22:13] <Surendil> ChibaPet, oh, thanks
[22:13] <JFlash> also in the ipv4 tab has a checkbox require ipv4 addressing for this conn to complete
[22:14] <ChibaPet> Hrm. I seem not to have anything with NetworkManager handy to use as a reference and my memory is hazy. JFlash: you could always try what Surendil suggests and manually edit /etc/resolv.conf with the notion being that it'll change back on its own, just to test.
[22:14] <JFlash> ChibaPet, if I set it to manual the save button is grayed out
[22:14] <ChibaPet> JFlash: It'll require you to pop in values first I believe. Trying to remember the fields...
[22:15] <ChibaPet> JFlash: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2321/what-is-the-proper-way-to-change-the-dns-ip
[22:16] <JFlash> page wont load
[22:16] <ChibaPet> oh, hah, yes
[22:16] <ChibaPet> um
[22:16] <JFlash> np :)
[22:17] <JFlash> so I'm stil stuck with the grayed out button
[22:17] <scootero> im looking to make my ssh service run on port 443 and port 22....   can this be done by editing the ssh_conf file and just having both port 22 and a new line with port 443 added to it?
[22:18] <ChibaPet> scootero: That's be sshd_config, the Port option. I believe you'd have one line per port declaration.
[22:19] <ChibaPet> scootero: man sshd_config
[22:19] <scootero> thank you!
[22:19] <ChibaPet> That'd*
[22:19] <JFlash> ChibaPet, ?
[22:20] <ChibaPet> JFlash: Do you know how to edit files as root? If so, I'd try changing /etc/resolv.conf. It'll change back unless you do something, but you can verify 8.8.8.8 working. I do not know much about IPv6, as a caveat, so there might be some obvious issue I'm missing.
[22:21] <ChibaPet> JFlash: Also, please copy down that Ask Ubuntu address I noted, and if you can, go somewhere (public library maybe) with a reasonable Internet connection where you can read it, save a copy as a PDF, etc.
[22:22] <JFlash> ChibaPet, cat tells me the file is just one line and it says nameserver 127.0.1.1
[22:23] <ChibaPet> JFlash: Edit it to say 8.8.8.8
[22:23] <JFlash> okey
[22:23] <ikonia> do not do that
[22:23] <ChibaPet> well, "nameserver 8.8.8.8"
[22:23] <JFlash> what
[22:23] <ikonia> as dnsmasq will overwrite it
[22:23] <ChibaPet> ikonia: Already noted that to him. This is triage still.
[22:23] <JFlash> umpf
[22:24] <ChibaPet> ikonia: Don't countermand my advice unless you're willing to see him through to a successful resolution.
[22:24] <ikonia> I may well be, I'm just catching up
[22:24] <JFlash> yeah
[22:24] <JFlash> yeah, catch up!
[22:26] <ChibaPet> Alright, well. Paid work awaits. JFlash: Good luck. I suspect you're not too far from everything working.
[22:27] <ikonia> JFlash: have you actually tried to query the dns server you are currently using for one of the broken domains
[22:27] <ikonia> and by query it I mean resolve the addresses, rather than trying to open the website ?
[22:27] <JFlash> thanks, ChibaPet
[22:27] <Surendil> ChibaPet, see ya!
[22:27] <JFlash> btw, what should I set ipv6 tab to ?
[22:27] <JFlash> "Ignore"  ?
[22:28] <JFlash> ikonia, it's not a few sites. is almost anything i try
[22:28] <ikonia> JFlash: ok, have you tried to resolve the address against the dns server you currently have set ?
[22:29] <JFlash> ikonia, not sure what you mean by that, sorry
[22:29] <ikonia> JFlash: nslookup/dig/host used any of those commands ?
[22:29] <JFlash> ikonia, I ran some pings and traceroutes and the problem seemed to be ipv6 related
 JFlash: as I said last time we covered this; the issue is that your network DNS caching server/relay is not falling back to IPv4 if IPv6 records don't exist in the target domain
[22:30] <ikonia> JFlash: can you give me an example of one of the domains that is failing please.
[22:30] <JFlash> cnn.com,  askubuntu.com
[22:30] <JFlash> anything that is not facebook or google
[22:31] <ikonia> JFlash: if you do "nslookup askubuntu.com" in a terminal, could you paste the output please.
[22:31] <ikonia> (pastebin sorry)
[22:31] <JFlash> pastie.com works, for some reason
[22:31] <ikonia> that will do
[22:31] <JFlash> sure
[22:31] <TJ-> bob2017 ChibaPet sorry it took so long; here's the collection so we know what we're dealing with http://paste.ubuntu.com/14511809/
[22:33] <JFlash> TJ-, ChibaPet has waved goodbye
[22:34] <TJ-> ahhh well, I'll wait for bob2017 to get back
[22:34] <Surendil> JFlash, did you change resolv.conf yet?
[22:34] <JFlash> dammit pastie.com is giving me 522 timout responses from CloudFlare and pastebin doesnt load
[22:35] <JFlash> ikonia, http://pastie.org/10691585
[22:35] <ubuntu818> hi
[22:35] <JFlash> no i will change it now
[22:35] <ubuntu818> hi
[22:36] <ikonia> JFlash: so that looks good, that looks like dns for askubuntu.com is being returned with valid IPV4 addresses
[22:36] <ikonia> JFlash: if you visit 104.16.111.188 in a browser, what do you get ?
[22:36] <ikonia> (thats one of the ask ubuntu ip's)
[22:36] <ikonia> it won't load the site but what do you get
[22:37] <JFlash> I just changed resolv.conf
[22:37] <JFlash> what should I do to test it?
[22:37] <JFlash> do I have to reconnect?
[22:37] <ubuntu818>  someone knows how to speak Spanish?
[22:38] <ikonia> I asked you not to do that
[22:38] <ikonia> !es | ubuntu818
[22:38] <Surendil> ubuntu818, try #ubuntu-es and i do speak spanish
[22:38] <JFlash> ubuntu818, I do but I cannot help because I'm a newbie :)
[22:38] <ubuntu818> in private, if possible
[22:39] <ubuntu818> Surendil:  that is godd
[22:39] <JFlash> ikonia, i think i tried ips adressses before and was still getting timeouts
[22:39] <ikonia> I wanted you to do specific tests
[22:39] <JFlash> ip or domain name dont seem to make a diff
[22:40] <ikonia> if you're hitting IP's directly and it's failing, that is not a dns problem
[22:40] <ikonia> then that's not a dns issue
[22:40] <JFlash> ikonia, i get the same thing... keeps loading forever
[22:40] <ikonia> then DNS is not your problem
[22:41]  * JFlash is said because he has been here for 1 hour and is no closer to a solution than before :(
[22:42] <ikonia> JFlash: what is currently in resolv.conf
[22:42] <JFlash> sad*
[22:42] <TJ-> JFlash: I said the other day when you first started on this, your gateway may not be providing a full dual-stack for IPv6/IPv4, we did tests where your ping6 worked but ping didn't for sites with both IPv6/IPv4 responders
[22:43] <TJ-> the syslog also showed you were getting a non-operational nameserver set (89.248.164.59)
[22:43] <TJ-> ikonia: this was earlier: http://pastie.org/private/btmbak99a0gphqfmrvmrq
[22:44] <ikonia> thank you
[22:44] <ubuntu818> Surendil:  Have you seen the private?
[22:44] <head8debian> Hey, quick question. Is livestreamer in the ubuntu 14.04 repos?
[22:44] <ikonia> have a look
[22:44] <wadadli> apt-cache show or search not sure
[22:44] <wadadli> maybe both
[22:45] <head8debian> Im not in ubuntu ATM. ;)
[22:45] <ikonia> packages.ubuntu.com
[22:45] <head8debian> Long story...
[22:45] <ikonia> in a browser
[22:45] <head8debian> Oh.
[22:45] <TJ-> ikonia: I recommended JFlash reconfigure the Wifi connection settings in the NM applet, to Method: automatic (addresses only) and set a single DNS server as 8.8.8.8
[22:45] <wadadli> short
[22:45] <head8debian> Thanks. :)
[22:45] <ikonia> TJ-: it appears it's turned into a dns server fixation
[22:45] <ikonia> when actually dns is working (whatever it was set to when I saw it)
[22:46] <TJ-> ikonia: there's at least 2 parts to this from what I've been able to tell. the routing issue is from the gateway (2 PCs are affected - 1 Ubuntu, 1 Mac OSX)
[22:46] <ikonia> TJ-: that would make more sense from what is being shown
[22:46] <TJ-> JFlash: does "ping -nc 5 8.8.8.8" reply ?
[22:51] <JFlash> sorry , I'm back
[22:52] <JFlash> TJ-, unkonw host 8.8.8.8
[22:52] <JFlash> sorry
[22:52] <JFlash> typo
[22:52] <JFlash> TJ-,  20% packet loss
[22:52] <windows98> hi
[22:52] <TJ-> JFlash: that was the other issue you were having wasn't it? large packet loss?
[22:53] <JFlash> yes
[22:53] <TJ-> JFlash: basically, I think the local router/gateway/Wifi device is messed up/broken
[22:53] <TJ-> JFlash: it is also possible the Wifi side is being interfered with by other devices close by
[22:53] <JFlash> TJ-, closer to the modem i got 100% good
[22:54] <TJ-> JFlash: that tends to confirm the interference hypothesis then
[22:54] <windows98> what is the minimum RAM for ubuntu 32 bit? with unity?
[22:54] <JFlash> well but then sites still dont load
[22:54] <JFlash> it's my first time close to the modem but still the same problem
[22:54] <TJ-> JFlash: right, it's not the cause of the routing failure. There's something about the way the gateway has been configured
[22:55] <TJ-> JFlash: you've got good IPv6, but all your problems are with IPv4
[22:55] <JFlash> ok but how do I get rid of the problem?
[22:55] <TJ-> JFlash: whilst close to the modem try web-browsing to, what was it, washingtonpost.com that failed last time?
[22:56] <JFlash> same thing
[22:56] <JFlash> should I reset my configuration
[22:56] <TJ-> JFlash: right, and that site doesn't have an IPv6 address.
[22:56] <windows98> what is the minimum RAM for ubuntu 32 bit? with unity?
[22:56] <JFlash> I chagned those tabs you asked me to and also changed resolv.conf
[22:57] <TJ-> JFlash: leave the IPv4 settings, but you need to fix up that /etc/resolv.conf - is it still a link? "ls -l /etc/resolv.conf"
[22:57] <TJ-> JFlash: if it's a link it'll point to ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[22:58] <JFlash> rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 29 Fev  4  2015 /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[22:58]  * windows98 wonders if my messages are even being sent to the channel!
[22:58] <TJ-> JFlash: good, so just disconnecting and reconnecting the Wifi interface will fix that up
[22:58] <JFlash> content is nameserver 8.8.8.8
[22:58] <ikonia> windows98: they are
[22:58] <JFlash> okey
[22:58] <k1l_> windows98: use 64bit
[22:58] <windows98> oh good
[22:59] <windows98> k11_: i don't need 64 because i don't have that much ram
[22:59] <k1l_> windows98: that got nothing to do with 32bit
[22:59] <windows98> that was not my question
[22:59] <k1l_> windows98: if your hardware is 64bit, use 64bit
[22:59]  * windows98 is determined to use 32 bit
[22:59] <ikonia> windows98: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[22:59] <bramgn> windows98: using comic chat?
[22:59] <windows98> My hardware is NOT 64 bit
[22:59] <windows98> no XCHAT
[23:00] <k1l_> officially its 512mb ram, but i doubt you will have fun with that
[23:00] <k1l_> i think i would go for at least 2GB ram. if its less use Lubuntu
[23:01] <k1l_> but dont go for 32bit if your cpu can run 64bit.
[23:01] <windows98> thanks guys
[23:01] <windows98> k11_ what are the disadvantages of 32 bit?
[23:01] <k1l_> windows98: everything
[23:01] <windows98> like what?
[23:02] <TJ-> if you want to run 32-bit but take advantage of a 64-bit capable processor, use the x32 architecture
[23:02] <Seveas> windows98: more limited instruction set, supports less memory (though the latter seems to be irrelevant for you)
[23:02] <windows98> oh what is the limited instruction set all about?
[23:02] <JFlash> TJ-, I disabled networking and reconnected. resolv.conf is still 8.8.8.8
[23:02] <k1l_> think about a highway with 32lanes or 64lanes. of course one truck is not faster because of 64lanes. but you got a lot more than one truck running on a system.
[23:02] <TJ-> windows98: basically, 64-bit CPUs have double-width registers and more of them, but the downside (for low-memory systems) is some opcodes and data structures are twice as wide
[23:03] <windows98> oh
[23:03] <TJ-> JFlash: that should have been re-written by Network Manager's resolvconf hooks
[23:03] <JFlash> but it hasnt
[23:04] <k1l_> windows98: first linux distributions start to drop 32bit kernels. because only very old or very slow cpus are 32bit only.
[23:04] <JFlash> and why have i not lost connection to freenode
[23:04] <JFlash> weird
[23:04] <TJ-> JFlash: no, so manually change it back to "nameserver 127.0.1.1" as it was
[23:04] <TJ-> JFlash: if you reconnect quickly the sockets might not notice :)
[23:05] <Jordan_U> windows98: There have also been new instructions added that make specific operations, like encryption or video encoding/decoding, faster which are only available as 64 bit instructions.
[23:05] <windows98> inch arresting
[23:05] <JFlash> ok, will change it back
[23:06]  * zykotick9 notes Google is stopping support for 32bit with Chrome in a month or two...
[23:08] <JFlash> TJ-, so I guess the bottom line is that it's just not possible to fix it by myself right?
[23:08] <sheap> so I'm using 12.04 and apt is giving me Hash Sum mismatch errors for a single reprepro repo binary-i386 Packages file
[23:08] <sheap> has anyone fixed this?
[23:08] <sheap> I've seen threads where this is an issue in 14.04 as well
[23:08] <k1l_> sheap: what repo?
[23:08] <sheap> I'm hosting a repo with reprepro
[23:09] <k1l_> sheap: most times its due to a not synced server
[23:09] <sheap> it seems like a client error, since apt writes all zero's in the corresponding /var/lib/apt/lists/partial
[23:09] <sheap> sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't with no update to the server
[23:09] <TJ-> JFlash: it's looking that way; lots of weirdness going on
[23:09] <k1l_> so either wait some time. or clear the client lists
[23:09] <sheap> I did, many times
[23:10] <sheap> it's not a mirror, it's local packages that I have made
[23:10] <JFlash> TJ-, can't I just do something with the router?
[23:10] <JFlash> TJ-, like acess it remotely and reset it's cache or something?
[23:10] <TJ-> JFlash: if you administer it, possibly, but every device is different and there's no way to be clear what is going on
[23:10] <sheap> if it was a server sync issue wouldn't the list file just be old, not entirely zeroed out?
[23:10] <JFlash> TJ-, btw, I just confirmed evrybody else on the network is having the same problem as me
[23:11] <TJ-> JFlash: right. gateway or ISP problem
[23:11] <TJ-> JFlash: has anyone tried just turning the router off, then on again a minute later?
[23:12] <JFlash> TJ-, i did it a few times and I suppose most ppl may have tried the same thing
[23:12] <Rich83> Hi not sure of the process of getting support here do i just go ahead and ask?
[23:12] <TJ-> JFlash: so, back to being misconfigured, or an ISP issue
[23:12] <TJ-> !ask | Rich83
[23:12] <TJ-> !paste | Rich83  also ...
[23:13] <protn> hey folks
[23:13] <protn> which gui ftp software supports login with encrypted key?
[23:14] <Gallomimia> doesn't filezilla?
[23:14] <Gallomimia> i've not tried keys yet
[23:14] <protn> it does not
[23:14] <Gallomimia> that is too bad :(
[23:14] <protn> it converts key into unprotected format
[23:14] <Gallomimia> !
[23:14] <Gallomimia> and leaves it where?
[23:15] <protn> that I havent even checked
[23:15] <protn> :)
[23:15] <protn> since I prefer to use it encrypted
[23:15] <lerner> whats the home directory of transmission?
[23:15] <Rich83> I have an encrypted home directory that keeps randomly locking itself down I cannot pin it down to any specific action I make.
[23:15] <k1l_> lerner: the users home and then .transmission?
[23:15] <TJ-> Rich83: in what way does it lock?
[23:16] <Rich83> as if I were accessing it from another user account
[23:16] <lerner> k1l_, I dont find it
[23:17] <k1l_> lerner: you can set it in the settings menu
[23:17] <wadadli> is there something I'm missing with vbox on buntu?
[23:17] <k1l_> lerner: its .config/transmission   in your users home
[23:17] <protn> someone here probably knows
[23:17] <protn> folks
[23:17] <protn> its simple question :D
[23:17] <teward> wadadli: I'm sorry?  (Incomplete question is incomplete?)
[23:18] <Rich83> two files in the home directory one a shortcut to a terminal where you enter your password and another with a readme on how to manually unlock it
[23:18] <JFlash> TJ-, what if I run a ethernet cable from the router to my laptop, bypassing the wifi?
[23:18] <TJ-> JFlash: always worth a try, that would rule in/out Wifi effects
[23:18] <lerner> thx t1
[23:18] <wadadli> lol just puzzled at the fact that this is the first time in my life virtualbox has given me an error to create a vm
[23:18] <lerner> thx k1l_
[23:19] <TJ-> Rich83: the encrypted home directory has its unlock passphrase sync-ed to your user password. If you change that password in some manual ways, you lose the sync, and then the encrypted home directory cannot be unlocked
[23:19] <wadadli> well not really virtualbox
[23:19] <wadadli> windows
[23:19] <wadadli> hmm I think I know what the problem is now
[23:20] <wadadli> http://imgur.com/dFeG8BW
[23:21] <wadadli> oh and I am using ubuntu now once again :D
[23:21] <wadadli> usually on debian, fedora I can spin up a vm without this error
[23:22] <Rich83> TJ: I have never changed either the passphrase or even my own user password, it is being unlocked on boot and the home directory is auto mounted everything works as it should and then it just at different intervals locks up
[23:22] <pinnerup> Hi there – a quick question. I'm puzzled that 'apt-cache show <packagename>' gives a fuller and longer description of the package than 'aptitude show <packagename>' does. Is there any way to get the longer description with aptitude as well? (Using 'aptitude show -vvv <packagename>' doesn't do it.)
[23:23] <TJ-> Rich83: what are you doing when it 'locks up' ?
[23:23] <wadadli> pinnerup: check man
[23:23] <Rich83> i can click the access-your-private-data.desktop link enter my logon password and it unlocks again
[23:23] <TJ-> Rich83:  when you log-in the encrypted side is mounted to /home/$USER/ and when you log-out it is unmounted
[23:24] <TJ-> Rich83: that sounds like something is causing an unmount; check the /var/log/kern.log for clues for things liek disk I/O errors, or corruption
[23:25] <Rich83> TJ: well like now I signed into this chat with the home directory fine while chatting here it just locked itself it doesnt happen when i open or do somthing it seems purely random
[23:25] <TJ-> Rich83: something is failing then, corruption or something else causing a crash possibly
[23:27] <pinnerup> wadadli: I already did. I did't find it in there.
[23:28] <Rich83> TJ: No I/O Errors in the kern.log file for the last hour only three lines from apparmour
[23:32] <Rich83>  TJ: Just found this ...   EXT4-fs (sdb1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[23:32] <JFlash_> TJ-, I dont have an ethernet cable but I dont think it would matter anyway.
[23:32] <JFlash_> TJ-, do you know any other channel I might be able to get a second opinion?
[23:37] <JFlash_> TJ-, when I google for my problem I can see ppl with the same problem
[23:37] <JFlash_> https://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjE7a3__azKAhUGTJAKHQv-Ch4QFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fanswers%2Fid-2176175%2Finternet-connected-loads-google-websites.html&usg=AFQjCNEkvkO6e1EhnGrlcBKMJoxJ5LXqzQ&sig2=TJoVhjgNegG5KZOdA6e0Xw&bvm=bv.112064104,d.Y2I
[23:37] <JFlash_> TJ-, too bad I can't follow any links!!
[23:38] <Surendil> JFlash_, still having problems with DNS?
[23:38] <JFlash_> TJ-, do you happen to have a list of sites that support ipv6?
[23:38] <Guest50185> ola
[23:38] <JFlash_> Surendil, yes, since tuesday, actually
[23:39] <Surendil> !es Guest50185
[23:39] <JFlash_> Surendil, kinda desperate here :(
[23:39] <Guest50185> alguem brasileiro?
[23:39] <k1l_> !br | Guest50185
[23:39] <JFlash_> Guest50185,   sim, mas nao manjo de linux
[23:41] <Surendil> JFlash_, i figured you already tried everything they told you to do, right?
[23:42] <JFlash_> Surendil, most likely yes
[23:42] <Surendil> JFlash_, just wondering, have you tried changing DNS servers on your router?
[23:43] <Rich83> TJ- : thank you for your help im going to look into that error
[23:43] <wadadli> pinnerup: it's gotta be in there m8
[23:44] <JFlash_> Surendil, I'm not sure I can , I'm not the router admin?
[23:45] <JFlash_> Surendil, it's a shared router
[23:45] <JFlash_> Surendil, I wonder if this is really related to ipv6 or something else such as SSL
[23:46] <JFlash_> Surendil, should I not be able to acesss http://ipv6.cybernode.com/ ??
[23:46] <TJ-> JFlash_: you can ping6 IPv6 hosts but not ping IPv4 hosts; that's a protocol/routing issue
[23:47] <TJ-> JFlash_: what does this report? "dig +short -t AAAA squoo.sh "
[23:48] <JFlash_> TJ-, 2a01:7e00:e000:151:0:1:1:2
[23:49] <TJ-> JFlash_: good, that is correct. Now try ping-ing it: "ping6 -c 5 squoo.sh"
[23:50] <JFlash_> ooooo
[23:50] <JFlash_> 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4032ms
[23:51] <jackcom> how can i know ubuntu version?
[23:51] <Surendil> lsb_release -a
[23:52] <TJ-> JFlash_: that should have received replies.
[23:52] <jackcom> thanks Surendil
[23:52] <jackcom> :)
[23:52] <jackcom> 14.04 is latest?
[23:54] <k1l_> jackcom: latest LTS
[23:54] <jackcom> oh thanks k1l_ :)
[23:55] <Bashing-om> !15.10 | jackcom
[23:57] <SchrodingersScat> What's the best way to troubleshoot connection problems between two ubuntu machines?  I suspect that either a local card or line is failing, I get random "Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 50837" , sporadically killing the connection several times an hour.
[23:58] <bekks> SchrodingersScat: Define "connection problems".