[02:02] <michelsedgh> hey guys im using the test, shouldnt my kinfocenter say im on 16.04???
[02:04] <michelsedgh> test version*
[02:05] <mparillo> Mine does, but I started with the daily images (from back before they broke). Did you maybe start with Wily and apply  kubuntu-ppa/backports-landing 
[02:06] <michelsedgh> yeah i did that
[02:07] <michelsedgh> thanks mparillo :)
[02:10] <mparillo> But it does show you upgraded your plasma?
[02:12] <michelsedgh> its 5.5.3
[02:13] <mparillo> Excellent. You successfully upgraded.
[02:14] <michelsedgh> it should show 5.5 cause i upgraded right now...
[02:14] <mparillo> You may get plasma crashes (I did, but I thnk they are all fixed), and you may have to delete your favorite icons in the kickoff menu and re-add them, but I found it pretty trouble-free
[02:14] <michelsedgh> yeah the apt-get update crash is gone :)
[02:15] <michelsedgh> and no need to readd favorite icons ^^
[02:15] <mparillo> That hit me often, as Xenial gets update not just from our team, but base Ubuntu several times a day.
[02:15] <mparillo> Good
[02:15] <michelsedgh> yeah :) thanks to the team, they work hard
[02:16] <mparillo> Yup. They do, and they are all volunteers
[02:16] <michelsedgh> i know :) they have their job, their life and still work on Kde. I really apperciate their work :)
[02:17] <mparillo> Anyway, goodnight from me, and thanks for helping to test.
[02:17] <michelsedgh> good knight :) yw. 
[07:08] <soee_> there are some calligra confilcts in updates
[07:31] <vip> hola
[07:38] <soee_> hihoh
[07:55] <nicols> morning!
[07:56] <soee_> hiho
[08:07] <soee_> clivejo: you have been working on calligra ?
[09:04] <yofel> moin
[09:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:39] <yofel> sgclark: for reference, the procedure for getting something uploaded that you cannot upload yourself is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[09:40] <bshah> yofel: morning
[09:40] <yofel> bshah: moin
[09:41] <yofel> oh right, there was the discover thing
[09:41] <bshah> ;)
[09:41] <yofel> let me try to figure out how to merge that into unstable without breaking unstable
[09:41] <bshah> thx :)
[09:43] <bshah> (later, I want to learn to do that myself.)
[09:43] <bshah> especially I couldn't figure out what to do with changelog entries.
[09:43] <yofel> bshah: in this case it's a bit tricky, as you master with my compatibility fixes in _archive, but without my 5.5 changes in _archive
[09:44] <yofel> bshah: you don't add any in the CI branches. End.
[09:44] <yofel> for debian merges in general, there's a git config that invokes dpkg-mergechangelogs
[09:45] <yofel> and who broke kdemultimedia in the archive :S
[09:49] <soee> uhm, plasmashell does not start on enial
[09:49] <soee> plasmashell: error while loading shared libraries: libKF5Screen.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:49] <yofel> wtf
[09:50] <yofel> soee: does dpkg -L libkf5screen6 list the file?
[09:50] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14515466/
[09:51] <yofel> wtf?!?
[09:51] <yofel> soee: apt-cache policy libkf5screen6 ?
[09:52] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14515476/
[09:52] <soee> english: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14515481/
[09:53] <soee> maybe i shoudlnt mix staging and landing ppas
[09:54] <yofel> noo well, something's just plain broken here. But as I keep saying. Don't use staging ^^
[09:54] <yofel> we break stuff in there
[09:55] <soee> hmm, i was using my system thi smorning just fine
[09:55] <soee> and i did not run any updates because of broken calligra packages
[09:55] <yofel> I'll take a look once I'm done with discover
[09:56] <soee> tan i jumped to windows for a while and when i moved back to kbuntu this happend :D
[09:56] <yofel> well, plasma won't crash just because an update removes the lib. It just won't start again once it quits
[09:56] <soee> windows broke my system :<
[09:56] <yofel> heh
[09:58] <soee> brb
[09:59] <bshah> you know, linux have feelings.. you just can't leave linux for windows :p
[09:59] <soee> ok i have my plasma back
[09:59] <soee> i have reinstalled this package
[09:59] <soee> libkf5screen6 from landing ppa
[10:02] <yofel> well, at least the status page shows that libkscreen is broken. 
[10:03] <soee> i thought all was green
[10:04] <soee> why we has so many problems with discover ?
[10:05] <yofel> the merges were done inappropriately. So we need to do those now
[10:05] <yofel> which breaks stuff
[10:06] <yofel> discover is partly because what was released in 5.5 was horribly incomplete
[10:06] <yofel> and now we have packaging that is really meant for 5.6, but is hacked together to work with 5.5
[10:07] <yofel> maybe I should just upload a git snapshot after all...
[10:08] <soee> ha :)
[10:08] <mparillo> But we cannot go straight to 5.6 because their final release is too close to ours in April?
[10:09] <soee> we should, 5.5.3 has to many annoying bugs :)
[10:09] <yofel> mparillo: I hope to get that in. But we have lots of changes in our 5.5 packages that I want to have in the archive RIGHT NOW
[10:09] <soee> and picking commits one by one isn't solution here
[10:09] <yofel> so lets get this out, then we can look at 5.6
[10:10] <yofel> we could possibly upload a 5.5.70 snapshot or so before feature freeze
[10:10] <yofel> to get something tested in beta1, as plasma 5.5.95 will be after our beta1
[10:11] <yofel> and just one week before UI freeze, which would make for one hell of a week
[10:11] <yofel> bshah: discover pushed, but I'll probably have to fix a couple other things more
[10:13] <yofel> now to review plasma in general
[10:14] <bshah> lets build discover and see.. :)
[10:14] <acher88> latest update removed okular
[10:14] <bshah> debian/patches/upstream_prevent_misleading_notification.dif needs to be removed...
[10:14] <yofel> oops
[10:14] <yofel> both will
[10:15] <bshah> yofel: I can do that.. :) (patch removal)
[10:15] <yofel> bshah: git rm -r debian/patches
[10:15] <bshah> yeah
[10:15] <bshah> :)
[10:15] <yofel> thanks
[10:15] <yofel> other than that it should mostly just be inaccurate install files I think
[10:16] <acher88> tried to re-install it and followed dep chain and got http://i.imgur.com/nIut7fA.png 
[10:16] <bshah> done with patches
[10:17] <acher88> that's on xenial
[10:17] <yofel> looks like an incomplete transition migrated to -release
[10:17] <yofel> or do you have any ppas with okular in it?
[10:18] <yofel> I'm fairly certain everything in the archive was rebuilt for QCA
[10:19] <acher88> ah. no. It's trying to get it from the main archive
[10:20] <yofel> will have to test later, currently I can't even install any updates:
[10:20] <yofel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:20] <yofel>  kdemultimedia-kio-plugins : Depends: kio-audiocd but it is not going to be installed
[10:23] <yofel> sgclark: I'm just looking at merges. Please don't keep duplicate UNRELEASED changelog entries. dpkg-mergechangelogs likes doing that when you merge _unstable into _archive
[10:23] <acher88> update bumped libqca2-plugins (2.1.0-0ubuntu10 => 2.1.1-2ubuntu1)
[10:23] <acher88> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14515584/
[10:24] <bshah> blargh... mobile CI is broken....
[10:24] <bshah> :!
[10:25] <soee> (:
[10:25] <bshah> 10:25:03 cannot stat ‘debian/tmp/usr/share/kxmlgui5/muonupdater/’
[10:25] <bshah> 10:25:03 : No such file or directory
[10:25] <bshah> 10:25:03 dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/share/kxmlgui5/muonupdater/ debian/plasma-discover-updater//usr/share/kxmlgui5/ returned exit code 1
[10:25] <bshah> uhuh
[10:25] <bshah> :(
[10:26] <bshah> okay, I can fix teh
[10:26] <yofel> right, I didn't get all file paths right
[10:26] <yofel> actually
[10:26] <yofel> you can look in the master branch for the mostly correct paths
[10:26] <yofel> assuming nothing changed in the last couple days
[10:27] <bshah> yeah
[10:29] <yofel> sgclark: also, any package that has debian/tests/ needs to have "XS-Testsuite: autopkgtest" in the control file
[10:29] <yofel> otherwise ubuntu jenkins won't run the tests
[10:32] <yofel> sgclark: If I understand the git behavior right, it looks like the debian folks removed that line by hand in some packages if they took changes from us. So you need to check every time if its there or not as git will just auto-remove it in the merge
[10:37] <acher88> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qca2/2.1.1-2ubuntu1
[10:37] <acher88> 12 hrs ago
[11:10] <yofel> sgclark: actually nvm the testsuite part, I forgot that's for older dpkg versions
[11:18] <michelsedgh> hey, when i logout i get a black screen. i even restart sddm and i cant use VT anymore after that! i have to reboot pressing power button. is it a known bug??
[11:22] <yofel> not that I know of
[11:23] <michelsedgh> hm. its annoying.
[11:24] <michelsedgh> and yofel that sleep thing didnt happen again :)
[11:26] <yofel> michelsedgh: regarding that, yesterday systemd didn't even allow me to shutdown.
[11:26] <yofel> said something like "Aborting action. Action would be destructive"
[11:26] <michelsedgh> wow, never happend to me
[11:27] <michelsedgh> and one thing when i reboot my screen rendering backend automatically goes to Xrender but i never changed to that i always used opengl 3.1!
[11:27] <yofel> :/
[11:28] <michelsedgh> i didnt mention it until yesterday, i saw many of my effects didnt work but i didnt know it changed backend!
[11:29] <yofel> no idea what would cause that. Your best bet is asking mgraesslin during weekdays
[11:30] <michelsedgh> ok thanks :) and another thanks for your work :) 
[11:30] <michelsedgh> "hard work"*
[11:54] <yofel> Package: plasma-pa
[11:54] <yofel> Conflict: kmix
[11:54] <yofel> no wonder kmix isn't getting removed
[12:10] <mamarley> I want to keep kmix installed for now because plasma-pa still doesn't let you select the default audio device.
[12:12] <yofel> mamarley: agreed, I just removed the field
[12:12] <mamarley> Thanks :)
[12:17] <soee> yofel: we package calligra or it comes from ubuntu ?
[12:17] <yofel> we do
[12:17] <soee> can you revert the broken upload ?
[12:18] <yofel> which one?
[12:18] <soee> well there are some problems with calligra http://paste.ubuntu.com/14516127/
[12:18] <soee> and it happend tonight
[12:20] <yofel> soee: the upload from yesterday says "  * No-change rebuild against libqca2"
[12:20] <soee> more detailed report: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14516137/
[12:20] <yofel> so that looks like more QCA fallout
[12:20] <yofel> that won't be trivial to fix
[12:20] <soee> what is QCA ?
[12:21] <yofel> some encryption thing
[12:21] <yofel> libqca2...
[12:21] <soee> uhm
[12:22] <soee> ok i will uninstall this suite for now
[12:22] <mamarley> The libqca2 thing in combination with the failed okular build is also blocking a bunch of other updates.
[12:26] <soee> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Wayland-DnD-Actions
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:54] <soee_> hiho
[13:05] <yofel> sgclark: I just finished the plasma merges. Thanks for working out most of them!
[13:05] <soee_> yofel: so you think we are ready to release 5.5.3 to backports ?
[13:05] <yofel> I'll review frameworks later
[13:06] <yofel> soee_: give me a bit to think about that. But I think we are
[13:06] <soee_> ok, would be cool - a lot of users waits for it :)
[13:06] <soee_> *wait
[13:15] <yofel> hm, there was the sddm session thing I wanted to debug
[13:15] <yofel> but I think it's "good enough"
[13:18] <sgclark> yofel: awesome!
[13:24] <yofel> oh meh, we have our own kde4libs build in ppa-landing which depends on wrong libqca
[13:24] <yofel> fixing
[13:25] <soee_> ;)
[13:39] <mamarley> It is probably worth mentioning here too that the NVIDIA 361-series drivers appear to fix the long-standing bug where Konsole would spin the CPU upon quitting.  361.18 was just copied to ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa. :)
[13:42] <acher88> good. have that bug on main PC with nvidia
[13:43] <BluesKaj> mamarley, for which nvidia series is the 351 driver intended?
[13:45] <mamarley> BluesKaj: 361 will work for all the same cards as 352, 355, and 358, plus a few new ones.
[13:45] <soee_> and 361 works nice here :)
[13:45] <acher88> supported ones are listed here I think http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/361.18/README/supportedchips.html
[13:46] <soee_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_WdEJVxRD0
[13:50] <acher88> mamarley: 361.18 also fixes the kde apps segfault bug you reported on the nvidia forum?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> mamarley, ok , misread your post, my gpu is the low end  8400gs /gt218 which shows on the nvidia site as supported up the 340 driver only ...not having any graphics issues atm, but I was just curious since the 340 is approaching legacy status.
[13:54]  * yofel was still on 355. An update is in order
[13:59] <acher88> I don't like the result of that kdelibs rebuild http://paste.ubuntu.com/14516934/
[14:00] <soee_> yup :)
[14:01] <yofel> I had to fix something in plasma-desktop too. I'll debug again once that's published
[14:02] <yofel> I also just pushed the merge result out to the world, where the p-d breakage came from
[14:02] <acher88> I hadn't noticed plasma hadn't been published in the ppa yet
[14:03] <acher88> shall retry once it is
[14:06] <BluesKaj> I'm getting this error after upgrading from the landing and ci/stable ppas 
[14:06] <BluesKaj> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:06] <BluesKaj>  libpam-kwallet5 : Conflicts: pam-kwallet5 (< 4:5.5) but 4:5.4.3+git20151211.1302+16.04-0 is to be installed
[14:06] <BluesKaj>                    Breaks: pam-kwallet5 (< 4:5.5) but 4:5.4.3+git20151211.1302+16.04-0 is to be installed
[14:07] <yofel> give it a couple minutes
[14:07] <BluesKaj> looks like it's trying to install the older 5.4.3 version
[14:07] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:10] <yofel> try now
[14:11] <yofel> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[14:11] <yofel>   kdeartwork-style libqca2v5 plasma-desktopthemes-artwork plasma-widget-kimpanel
[14:11] <yofel> that's ~ok
[14:11] <soee_> obsolate?
[14:11] <acher88> still much breakage in xenial http://paste.ubuntu.com/14517058/
[14:12] <yofel> well, kdeartwork is apps. We'll fix that later
[14:12] <yofel> kimpanel otoh..
[14:12] <yofel> acher88: -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=true please
[14:13] <yofel> I don't get that here
[14:13] <yofel> ah, those kdeartwork packages are from kde4 times
[14:14] <yofel> but only debian added the breaks for those
[14:14] <acher88> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14517107/
[14:14] <yofel> ah, kimpanel is indeed obsolete
[14:15] <yofel> yay, wall of text
[14:16] <acher88> not pretty
[14:17] <acher88> lol E: Unable to locate package please
[14:18] <acher88> copied too much of your apt line first time
[14:19] <nicols> finnaly here. anything i can help?
[14:19]  * yofel has to go to town for a bit
[14:20] <yofel> acher88: I'll look into this later unless sgclark or someone else isn't faster
[14:20] <yofel> bbl
[14:20] <nicols> i tried to add few widgets via "get new widgets", they install but when i try to place them on desktop i get this; 
[14:21] <nicols> Error loading QML file: file:///home/nicols/.local/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.weatherWidget/contents/ui/main.qml:108:5: Type YrNo unavailable
[14:21] <nicols> file:///home/nicols/.local/share/plasma/plasmoids/org.kde.weatherWidget/contents/ui/providers/YrNo.qml:18:1: module "QtQuick.XmlListModel" is not installed
[14:22] <acher88> oddly I have no such breakage on my xenial laptop
[14:23] <nicols> i am on willy backpoerts-landing
[14:31] <nicols> anyone with this problem: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=357911 ?
[14:32] <acher88> was mentioned in here the other day. was that you?
[14:33] <acher88> vlc is fine here
[14:41] <acher88> spoke too soon. even xenial laptop give error such as:
[14:42] <acher88> kwin-x11 : Depends: kwin-common (= 4:5.5.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa4) but 4:5.5.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1 is installed
[14:42] <acher88> kwin-common : Depends: kwin-data (= 4:5.5.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1) but 4:5.5.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa4 is installed
[14:43] <nicols> acher88: yes it was me :) ... yesterday was ok, now it's cropping video again
[14:46] <nicols> it is strange ... native interface uses brezze style and video is cropped. in skinned mode, video is OK
[14:46] <michelsedgh> hey my apt-check was making unlimited proccesses each using 1%-2% of cpu and my cpu was working full, i had to restart. any ideas??
[14:56] <acher88> nicols: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?69537-VLC-video-resize-problem-after-upgrade-to-plasma-5-5
[15:14] <BluesKaj> I tried the nvidia-352 driver which would be the next one up from the 340, but I guess my gpu is getting too old to bother upgrading drivers for, but it still works fine.
[15:19] <acher88> yofel: ppa-purge then re-adding the xenial landing ppa sorted my problems :)
[15:20] <acher88> apart from plasma-desktop-date needing 'apt-get install -f' to nudge it into installing
[15:34] <nicols> acher88: tnx for info! yes, thats how i "solved" it ... but this is partial solution, problem is still there. and i don't like this third party skunning, a would be happier with "breeze everywhere" :)
[15:38] <acher88> perhaps graphics driver related?
[15:39] <acher88> laptop with intel hd3000 has no probs
[15:39] <acher88> yet to upgrade PC with nvidia to 5.5.3
[15:40] <nicols> i am on intel also: VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
[15:43] <acher88> is it the same if you suspend desktop effects or change accel method?
[15:47] <nicols> yes
[16:00] <leszek> hi is there any eta on when the kubuntu backports landing contents will land in kubuntu backports ?
[16:01] <sandr0id> hi all,  do I report bugs @kde, or @kubuntu with plasma 5.5.3? (don't worry, nothing major!)
[16:01] <leszek> sandr0id: depends on the bug I guess :)
[16:01] <acher88> depends on the nature of the bug
[16:02] <sandr0id> the splash screen stuck around on boot up - twice now, so I'm thinking it's worth reporting
[16:02] <sandr0id> like i said, nothing major, but I'd rather report it than just complain ;)
[16:03] <leszek> sandr0id: if you have an error message or some sort of debugging output it might be worth reporting that upstream (to kde) directly. Though without that I don't think it might make a lot of sense as the probability that "works for me" answer is pretty high
[16:03] <sandr0id> hmm.. logging for a screen artifact... :P
[16:04] <sandr0id> it may not even be a kde bug come to think of it
[16:04] <leszek> a so a visual bug only ? Most probably a graphical issue with the driver or qt
[16:05] <leszek> but without some sort of log hard to debug
[16:05] <sandr0id> yeah
[16:06] <sandr0id> is there a distinct process for the splash screen? that could help determine if it's purely graphical/visual
[16:08] <leszek> sandr0id: ksplashqml
[16:08] <leszek> sandr0id: you can run ksplashqml --test
[16:09] <sandr0id> I think I have a graphics problem :)
[16:09] <sandr0id> thanks for the tip on the splash screen
[16:24] <nicols> fixed my widgets. installed qtdeclarative5-xmllistmodel-plugin package :)
[18:21] <soee> a lot f problems : http://paste.ubuntu.com/14529379/
[18:55] <acher88> soee: had similar on xenial earlier. ppa-purge then re-adding the ppa seemed to fix 99% of it here at least
[19:36] <clivejo> soee: Ive been playing around with calligra, they are in my PPA
[19:37] <clivejo> !info calligra xenial
[19:37] <clivejo> not my doing
[20:09] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[20:09] <BluesKaj> Hi clivejo
[20:10] <clivejo> hows things?
[20:11] <BluesKaj> good thanks clivejo, how about you ?
[20:11] <clivejo> tired
[20:11] <clivejo> nodding off a bit!
[20:11] <BluesKaj> heh...sleep deprived ?
[20:13] <clivejo> just long day
[20:16] <clivejo> BluesKaj: do you have an android phone?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> yes
[20:17] <clivejo> kdeconnect?
[20:18] <DarinMiller> I have both...
[20:18] <clivejo> I packaged 0.9g and would like someone to test it
[20:18] <BluesKaj> yes, i have it working , but only tried to send file from the phone to the pc successfully, not from pc to phone 
[20:19] <BluesKaj> files
[20:19] <clivejo> but the version numbers are messed up :(
[20:21] <BluesKaj> my phone is using the older android OS since it's just an alcatel one touch, read "inexpensive"
[20:23] <BluesKaj> i don't use it for much other than a few pics and phone calls ...don't use the data options or texting etc
[20:26] <cjwelborn> Hello. I have a little UI bug going on in my lock screen for Plasma 5 (Breeze Theme, Maui SDDM Theme).The keyboard layout button is always way too small. I found a KeyboardLayoutButton.qml in my sddm breeze theme components (width: implicitWidth). Changing it doesn't seem to affect anything, and I'm not sure were else to look. Where do you go to edit the lock screen? Or the login screen for that matter?
[20:29] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I successfully copied files from my Android phone using Dolphin and puch files to my PC using KDEconnect.
[20:29] <clivejo> DarinMiller: which version?
[20:31] <DarinMiller> clivejo: The touchpad option worked, but the multimedia controls failed to remuse a Clementine playlist and remote volume control did not work.
[20:32] <DarinMiller> resume*
[20:38] <darin_> clivejo: the clipsharing works great!  As for the multimedia option, the adroid KDEconnect under the Multimedia option say No players found.  I have both Amarok and Clementine running.
[20:38] <clivejo> but what version are you running?
[20:43] <darin_> clivejo: sorry, running 0.8 on the laptop.  Is 0.9g uploaded to landing? My update refresh is not seeing it. Where to I find 0.9g?
[20:43] <clivejo> its in my PPA
[20:44] <darin_> Sry, missed that....checking the logs for you ppa....
[20:44] <clivejo> are you on wily or xenial?
[20:45] <darin_> I have both, want me to test both?
[20:45] <clivejo> please if you can
[20:45] <clivejo> just bear in mind the version number is a bit messed up
[20:45] <darin_> np
[20:45] <clivejo> you will probably have to install it manually
[20:46] <clivejo> !info kdeconnect-plasma xenial
[20:46] <clivejo> thats a August 10 snapshot
[20:48] <clivejo> darin_: https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/+files/kdeconnect-plasma_0.9g-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2_amd64.deb
[20:49] <clivejo> thats xenial 64bit
[20:50] <darin_> clivejo: grt, thx.  testing shortly....
[20:51] <clivejo> you might have to delete the device and repair
[20:51] <clivejo> re-pair
[21:01] <darin_> so much fun! I am using the KDEconnect clipboard sharing to copy from my wiley laptop to my xenial laptp.  I have always shared between phone and PC, but PC to PC is awesome!
[21:03] <darin_> clivejo: my kdeconnect package is 0.8, but the kdeconnect-plasma is 0.9g.  Are these complimentary or should I stomp on the kdeconnect package?
[21:04] <clivejo> where is the 0.8 package?
[21:04] <darin_> xenial
[21:05] <clivejo> did you install the one in my PPA?
[21:05] <darin_> xenial has both packages installed
[21:05] <clivejo> oh I think the kdeconnect is KDE4 
[21:06] <darin_> yes, I used the .deb link you posted above.
[21:06] <darin_> yes you are correct. I will stomp on the kdeconnect.
[21:11] <clivejo> can you browse your phone with dolphin ok?
[21:14] <darin_> How do I update my phone?  When attempting to re-pair, the phone says my xenial laptop is using a new protocol version (red text).
[21:15] <clivejo> this is the thing Im trying to figure out
[21:15] <clivejo> what version is it saying is on the phone?
[21:18] <darin_> 0.9e, Nov 13,2015  as per the app store details.
[21:19] <clivejo> kind of ironic !
[21:19] <clivejo> *NOTE for Ubuntu users: The Ubuntu folks are not updating their repos as fast as this app gets updated. Some features will not work if the KDE Connect version in you desktop doesn't match the one in your phone.
[21:19] <darin_> ?
[21:20] <claydoh> i get the same thing  with your package and same android app version as darin_
[21:24] <clivejo> 0.9g is listed as a bug fix release for 0.9
[21:24] <clivejo> so cant understand why the protocol is different
[21:29] <darin_> Not sure it helps us, but my arch box is 0.9g and it connects to the same adroid phone.
[21:30] <clivejo> now thats very strange!
[21:31] <clivejo> darin_: is this it - https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/kdeconnect/
[21:31] <darin_> yes
[21:31] <clivejo> must compare the files
[21:40] <clivejo> bar the locale files, they all look the same, just different location in debian
[21:43] <DarinMiller> werid. No surprise,  same issue occurs on wiley with your deb file....
[21:44] <valorie> bleah, something crashed, so I said report -- and then apport crashed
[21:44] <valorie> I thought they finally fixed that
[22:27] <DarinMiller> clivejo: I tried stomping on the config files in both ~/.config/kdeconnect* and in ~/.kde/share/config/kdeconnect*.  Neither fixed the issues.  Then I tried apt purge kdeconnect* and reinstall you file, still  no help.
[22:28] <clivejo> DarinMiller: thanks for trying.  I dont know what the problem is
[22:30] <valorie> clivejo: I've noticed mine isn't working either
[22:30] <valorie> however, I don't think it's been working for the past few weeks
[22:30] <valorie> perhaps the phone version and your version have fallen out of sync
[22:30] <valorie> so I unpaired for now
[22:31] <clivejo> valorie: it works in arch
[22:33] <valorie> pfff to arch
[22:33]  * valorie will not switch, no never!
[22:34] <valorie> I wonder if it works in the neon-daily
[22:34] <claydoh> clivejo, the stock kdeconnect packaging includes 3 packages: kdeconnect, kdeconnect-plasma, and kdeconnect-plasma-dbg. Your ppa does not contain trhe kdeconnect pakage, and the stock one still exists when upgadring using yours.
[22:34] <valorie> but I don't have time to try that out
[22:38] <claydoh> so methinks the presence of the old package with the new could the causing it?
[22:38] <DarinMiller> valorie: does not work in xenial daily either.
[22:39] <clivejo> maybe I didnt checkout the correct tag
[22:41] <clivejo> claydoh: apparently kdeconnect is the KDE4 version
[22:44] <clivejo> Ill try and look at it again tomorrow
[22:45] <valorie> I've not tried the xenial daily; just updated&&full-upgrade
[22:45] <DarinMiller> OK, I will see if I stumble across something...
[22:45] <valorie> with the ppa-landing
[22:46] <valorie> only problem I'm having in wily is plasma crashes, only one of which I've been able to report as a bug
[22:46] <valorie> lacking some dbg package, but dr.k can't ever find it
[22:49] <DarinMiller> hmmm. Plasma 5.5 is not crashing on my wiley with landing ppa.  Occasionally sound icon disappears but otherwise stable.
[22:49] <DarinMiller> However, the ghost kate session is driving me crazy.
[22:50] <clivejo> kate has fixed itself since I installed kate 15.12.0
[22:51] <DarinMiller> manual compile?
[22:51] <clivejo> staging
[22:52] <clivejo> wonder would the xenial version install on wily
[22:52] <clivejo> you could try I guess :P
[22:54] <clivejo> DarinMiller: I installed kate5-data and kate from here - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/8795038
[22:54] <valorie> DarinMiller: supposedly the apt related Plasma crashes have been fixed, but not for me
[22:54] <valorie> and why it randomly crashes other times; no idea
[22:57] <clivejo> valorie: plasma gremlins
[22:57] <clivejo> nasty wee things
[22:59] <valorie> like the garden gnomes in Harry Potter
[22:59] <valorie> hopefully we get them out of the garden before too long
[23:13] <valorie> just installed and am setting up zanshin from _Groo_'s ppa
[23:13] <valorie> so far, so good
[23:13] <valorie> working with Google calendar
[23:15] <valorie> but I'm not getting how to USE it
[23:15] <claydoh> oookay, I thought I had a borked config or desktop. Guess it seems that plasma 5 to move widgets or resze you have to click and hold until the handle thing appears around the widget. 
[23:16] <claydoh> plasma 5.5 that is
[23:17] <claydoh> seriously, kde, wth?
[23:17] <claydoh> or am I just getting old?
[23:18] <valorie> claydoh: right-click to tweak or something similar
[23:18] <valorie> and change it back if you want
[23:18] <claydoh> rather you can click and drag to move, which is goos, b ut who would think to click-and-hold to resize?
[23:19] <valorie> yes, they changed it, but they may change it back
[23:20] <claydoh> they'd better lol that was stupid. I just wasted half an hour that I coul dhave been working lol
[23:22] <valorie> file a bug, claydoh, or find one and comment on it
[23:22] <valorie> please
[23:23] <claydoh> I may once I am no longer cross ;)
[23:26] <snele> claydoh: valorie: right click on desktop>desktop settings> tweaks tab and uncheck secound option :)
[23:27] <valorie> snele: yes, but we shouldn't have to tweak IMO
[23:27] <snele> valorie: I agree
[23:27] <valorie> discoverability is always a problem for KDE software
[23:27] <claydoh> well that's effing logical and intuitive
[23:28] <valorie> precisely
[23:29] <claydoh> valorie: I dunno, since kde 1.x I have usually figure things out fairly quickly, not so this time
[23:29] <snele> it is intrensting that kde now has VDG and all people from VDG agreed that this is ok and logical (hidden handles)ž
[23:30] <snele> !?
[23:30] <valorie> might be good to join in at the VDG level
[23:30] <valorie> because that *to me* is not discoverable
[23:30] <valorie> and thus Not Good
[23:31] <claydoh> hidden hadles are ok, and clic and drag is an improvement imo, just the resize bit is uber stoopid
[23:31] <claydoh> imnsho
[23:31] <valorie> ever since KDE4 Plasma, I've had trouble discovering how to use various features
[23:32] <valorie> it's getting better, and I don't want to see us take a step backward
[23:32] <valorie> I assume that it is a result of more touchscreens
[23:32] <valorie> on a phone or tablet it seems more reasonable to long-touch
[23:32] <valorie> because there are few options there
[23:34] <claydoh> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356549
[23:34] <snele> claydoh: valorie: yofel: do you know will ubuntu ship qt 5.6 in 16.04? that is very important for plasma 5.5 because 99% of bugs are qt bug which are fixed in 5.6 (and not backported to qt 5.5)
[23:34] <claydoh> A  new report may be in  order
[23:35] <snele> bugs like missing systray icons on boot, broken multimonitor support etc are fixed in qt 5.6
[23:36] <yofel> snele: Last I heard the call was: NO
[23:37] <snele> if ubuntu doesn't ship 5.6 than I think providing qt 5.6 in one of kubuntus ppas are the must
[23:38] <yofel> we can backport it, sure. But last I heard was that too much ubuntu touch stuff broke with 5.6, so they don't plan to port the code to 5.6
[23:38] <valorie> yikes, that sucks
[23:39] <valorie> how did the plasma-phone people get around that issue?
[23:39] <valorie> I'm sure they are using ~latest
[23:40] <yofel> well, I don't know *what* their problems are. Just that too many of their tests came up with issues
[23:40] <ScottK> yofel: the deal we had with them was that if they wanted a different Qt version, they'd arrange to install it in /opt and not hold Kubuntu back.
[23:41] <yofel> ScottK: that's not what I heard during the Qt5 for 16.04 planning..
[23:41] <yofel> mitya57: do you know more?
[23:41] <ScottK> Then they're going back on their deal.
[23:42] <ScottK> Talk to slangasek.  He was there when we decided it.
[23:43] <valorie> perhaps write to the TB?
[23:43] <valorie> this is rather important for an LTS
[23:43] <snele> yofel: I am testing manjaro atm because kubuntu 16.04 installer is broken. So I have in manjaro everything the latest stable (plasma,apps,kf,drivers). Plasma 5 doesn't crash but systray goes wild, multimonitor crashes, slow rendering of widgets which pop up from panel etc... all these bugs are fixed in qt 5.6
[23:44] <snele> so I think Kubuntu must ship qt 5.6 or at least make it available through ppa
[23:45] <snele> btw even kde devs say "wait for qt 5.6"
[23:45] <claydoh> ...which would  be one more thing for the kubuntu devs to maintain
[23:45] <yofel> well, we *did* maintain qt4, but qt5 packaging is fairly complex