| infinity | tjaalton: You missed video-intel's build-dep on libxcb-util-dev, which isn't in trusty. | 00:18 |
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| wxl | infinity: so how long before we're testing the 4.4 kernel? | 00:23 |
| infinity | wxl: You could be testing it today from rtg's PPA, if you're brave. | 00:24 |
| * tsimonq2 compiles it straight from Linus' git repo, believe me, it's not system-breaking :D | 00:24 | |
| infinity | tsimonq2: No, but it's missing features, and any form of support. | 00:25 |
| tsimonq2 | "features"? like what? | 00:25 |
| infinity | Like aufs, zfs, other bits and bobs. overlayfs before that got merged upstream recently. | 00:25 |
| infinity | apparmor | 00:26 |
| tsimonq2 | but isn't that in the regular kernel? | 00:26 |
| infinity | No. | 00:26 |
| tsimonq2 | if not, why isn't it upstream?! | 00:26 |
| infinity | Upstreaming large features sucks (see how many years it took to get overlayfs upstream), such is life. | 00:26 |
| tsimonq2 | hmm :/ | 00:29 |
| infinity | tsimonq2: Anyhow, it's the same tradeoff you get with any package. Compile from upstream, lose distro support and (potentially) distro improvements/fixes/integration. | 00:30 |
| infinity | tsimonq2: Personally, I got over my version fetishism a long time ago and decided to trust maintainers, but I used to be you and had to live on tip, so I get it. | 00:30 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: yeah...but I am doing http://eudyptula-challenge.org/ and so I need Linus' kernel | 00:31 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: I have a really good computer and an older computer. The good one has Linus' and the old one has the Ubuntu kernel, which I am on now. | 00:31 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: so they both have pros/cons | 00:31 |
| infinity | tsimonq2: Sure. The biggest issue is moving the support commitment to, well, yourself. Which is fine if you know that. But it's also why I don't recommend it to others. | 00:33 |
| infinity | tsimonq2: All too often, someone will build their own and run it for 6 months, 5 of those 6 months involving a known remote hole. | 00:33 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: aaand this wouldn't be a problem if this was all done upstream :P | 00:34 |
| infinity | tsimonq2: Eh? No, it's a problem that humans how have to compiler their own kernel over and over. | 00:35 |
| infinity | tsimonq2: Nothing to do with upstream, but people who pull a bunch of upstream sources are less likely to check for updates/vulns in every one every day, while they're likely to run apt-get update occasionally. | 00:35 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: let's agree to disagree :) | 00:35 |
| tsimonq2 | or rather me not wanting to continue | 00:35 |
| tsimonq2 | :) | 00:35 |
| infinity | tsimonq2: Sure, I don't care what you *do* on your own machines, I care what you recommend to other users in Ubuntu channels. Not every user is you. | 00:36 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: ok, I am sorry :) | 00:37 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: and I know wxl, so it's all cool :) | 00:37 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: and so I am not recommending it, I was just pointing it out. Probably shoudn't have done so. :) | 00:38 |
| tsimonq2 | infinity: thanks either way | 00:38 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: hah! you assume infinity and i are "cool" XD | 00:44 |
| wxl | all seriousness aside though (heheh), how soon before it starts popping out on dailies? | 00:45 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: no, I am assuming that WE are "cool", I said nothing about infinity :P | 00:45 |
| infinity | wxl: I'm so hip, I can't see over my own pelvis. | 00:45 |
| tsimonq2 | XD | 00:45 |
| infinity | wxl: As for when it lands in the archive (and, thus, dailies), no exact date, but "soon". | 00:45 |
| * wxl nods | 00:45 | |
| infinity | wxl: But if you have a machine you want to play on with rtg's packages and tell him why they suck, the PPA is https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/unstable | 00:45 |
| wxl | infinity: would it be too much to request a nudge to ubuntu-devel-announce when they're in the archive? | 00:46 |
| infinity | wxl: Mostly, I think we're just cleaning up the long tail of DKMS failures right now, the kernel seems decent. | 00:46 |
| infinity | wxl: We don't tend to announce when new versions of things land in the archive. | 00:46 |
| * tsimonq2 is gonna put that on his older computer XD | 00:46 | |
| wxl | yeah, normally it's not something i would ask normally | 00:47 |
| wxl | i'll just keep watching teh arhive :) | 00:47 |
| wxl | plars: how does one add to loco.ubuntu.com and/or planet.ubuntu-us.org? | 00:49 |
| wxl | i didn't even know about the latter one O_O | 00:50 |
| wxl | looks like we contact plars :) | 00:51 |
| wxl | ugh wrong channel | 00:51 |
| * wxl facepalms | 00:51 | |
| doko | any idea what to do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.9/+bug/1534779 ? vivid is EOL ... | 09:36 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1534779 in gccgo-4.9 (Ubuntu) "Trusty has higher release than Vivid - breaks upgrading" [Undecided,New] | 09:36 |
| lordievader | Oeh, that is a nasty bug. Is recommending people to wait for Xenial an option? | 09:38 |
| cjwatson | doko: hmm? vivid's not EOL, that happens in two months ish | 10:41 |
| doko | cjwatson, Feb 04, but ok. so what I can do is at least build a gcc-4.9 in the ubuntu-toolchain-r/ppa PPA for now | 10:52 |
| jdstrand | tsimonq2 (and infinity): apparmor actually is upstream, but not all of the features Ubuntu uses | 13:46 |
| jdstrand | (yet) | 13:47 |
| tsimonq2 | hmm ok | 13:49 |
| infinity | jdstrand: Tomayto, tomahto. | 18:08 |
| tumbleweed | what's the procedure for unsticking packages from proposed, when when they're stuck because of obsolete reverse-deps? | 19:51 |
| tumbleweed | e.g. pypy + pyzmq | 19:51 |
| tumbleweed | pyzmq autopkgtests used to fail. now they pass, with a new upstream release (although these tests are non-deterministic, so bleh) | 19:52 |
| tumbleweed | but pypy is still stuck because of the old failure | 19:52 |
| cjwatson | tumbleweed: I'll re-run those with an up-to-date trigger | 19:56 |
| tumbleweed | if it fails, I'll just push them through probably - those tests are rather dodgy :( | 19:57 |
| tumbleweed | cjwatson: thanks | 19:57 |
| cjwatson | queued | 19:58 |
| tumbleweed | cjwatson: argh, it looks like the armhf binary hadn't published yet | 20:23 |
| tumbleweed | \o/ it migrated | 21:22 |
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