[01:27] <mparillo> Thank you valorie. It never occurred to me to drag them around. I used to right click and sort by name, and that was removed in 5.5.3. I thought only gnome removed features ;-)
[04:03] <valorie> mparillo: I never used it any other way
[04:03] <valorie> perhaps people didn't use that option?
[04:03] <valorie> unsure
[06:15] <valorie> !info plasma-widget-fancytasks
[06:17] <valorie> why on earth is Ubuntu providing this for Xenial? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fancy+Tasks?content=99737
[06:20] <valorie> according to http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ 
[06:27] <valorie> I don't see how any of those ftbfs they list for us, are ours
[07:25] <Mirv> mamarley: just delayed due to lots of other things. that's the PPA it will eventually be in.
[08:34] <nicols> morning!
[08:40] <soee> hiho
[09:12] <nicols> is it posible to patch this and push to backport-landing: https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-48321
[09:14] <nicols> i have some experience with patching and compiling but i don't know anything about packaging
[09:14] <nicols> but i am willing to learn it :)
[09:15] <valorie> excellent!
[09:16] <valorie> we need packagers and fixers
[09:16] <nicols> valorie: can you recommend some online tutorials?
[09:18] <nicols> i am good at system administration and bash and i have some decent infrastructure, i can run several machines (metal or vm) for testing ... also have 100/100m link :)
[09:20] <valorie> nicols: we're trying to create a packaging doc
[09:20] <valorie> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging
[09:21] <valorie> you log in with your KDE identity
[09:21] <nicols> i know i work mostly with debian (servers) and kubuntu desktops .... in our company we are all on kubuntu. it is great for us, and i always felt i need to give something back to comunity. we are also supporting and sponsoring local opensource events in cratia, and we are Software Freedom Conservancy supporters ... also sponsoring our local openstreetmap community
[09:21] <valorie> as you learn our procedures, please update the doc!
[09:21] <valorie> that is excellent
[09:22] <nicols> croatia :)
[09:22] <valorie> clivejo is also active in OSM
[09:25] <nicols> my good friend works a lot for osm ..... hbogner on irc ... we gave them 2 servers and some hdds, before that they had all their work on some desktop machines
[09:26] <valorie> I have another friend in Argentina who's very active in OSM as well
[09:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:43] <nicols> morning!
[09:44] <soee> bonjour :)
[09:44]  * soee is upgrading his PC @ work to Plasma 5.5.3 from backports-landing
[09:48] <valorie> I'm hoping it gets to backports today
[10:04] <soee> back :)
[10:15] <acher88> got a vivid machine to upgrade sometime, that has the plasma packages pinned back to KDE4 ones. should be interesting to take that up to wily/xenial with 5.5.3
[10:56] <vip> howdy
[10:58] <Quintasan> yofel: I can't say I remembered about uploading stuff on Sunday but I was hanging around on IRC. What happened to that?
[10:59] <yofel> Quintasan: delayed by me running out of energy. And as you can't upload frameworks right now I didn't see a point in pinging you
[11:00] <Quintasan> I see.
[11:00] <Quintasan> Well, I'm at work not able to do work so feel free to bother me in case anything comes up.
[11:03]  * clivejo wonders why his ears are burning
[11:17]  * yofel blames the cold
[11:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:47] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:47] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[11:47] <soee> yofel: i did an upgrade today to 5.5.3 on Wily here @ work, all went fine
[12:05] <Maxiride> How it's going the plasma 5.5.3 testing? I've upgraded my laptop to help testing it out but few days has passed and everything went smoothly there.
[12:07] <soee> Maxiride: yofel has to give green light and upload it i think :)
[12:14] <mparillo> I assume to Xenial first, the backported to Wily
[12:17] <yofel> backports are done already
[12:17] <yofel> soee: I'll try to look at kate today, then I'll release it
[12:17] <mparillo> backports or backports-landing?
[12:17] <yofel> -landing
[12:17] <mparillo> TY
[12:18] <Maxiride_> so when backports-landing will be trasnferred to backports, people like me which added the -landing ppa for testing should then remove it?
[12:20] <yofel> it's safer if you do
[12:20] <soee> yofel: what is wrong with Kate?
[12:21] <yofel> soee: the thing where it keeps running
[12:22] <soee> i tihnk i do not have such problem, but i'm starting empty session on login
[12:22] <yofel> you're probably fine then
[12:24] <Maxiride_> yofel: Where can I check when it's the proper time to remove the -landing ppa?
[12:26] <yofel> Maxiride_: usually when we put the release announcement out. Worst case when you notice that you're getting a lot of updates that you're not expecting ;)
[12:27] <mikkle> any timeframe as to when landing lands in updates?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> yofel, on 16.04 Xenial?
[12:27] <Maxiride_> yofel: lol, ok thanks!
[12:27] <mikkle> i means, any timeframe as to when i'll get plasma 5.5.3 and the rest? :)
[12:27] <yofel> BluesKaj: xenial will take a couple days
[12:27] <mikkle> I'm talking about 15.10 btw
[12:28] <yofel> mikkle: today I hope. But it'll be in backports, not updates
[12:28] <BluesKaj> ok, I'll continue with the landings ppa til then
[12:28] <yofel> please do
[12:28] <mikkle> Is backports "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa?
[12:29] <yofel> no, that's updates. Backprots is ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[12:29] <yofel> the announcement will have the correct ppa as well
[12:29] <mikkle> Can you tell me the difference between the two?
[12:30] <yofel> mikkle: updates is strictly bugfixes while backports is new versions as well.
[12:31] <mikkle> yofel thanks a lot
[12:31] <yofel> it's a difference in regression potential
[12:31] <mikkle> yeah, updates is more stable
[12:31] <mikkle> thanks for the clarification....
[12:32] <Maxiride_> mikkle: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs this wiki guess solves your questions =)
[12:32] <Maxiride_> * I guess
[12:33] <Maxiride_> except that the beta-backports is instead called backports-landing if I understood correctly
[12:33] <mikkle> Oh nice...looks like it needs to be updated to include "landing"
[12:33] <mikkle> I guess that corresponds to beta-backports
[12:33] <Maxiride_> mikkle: yep
[12:33] <Maxiride_> should be so
[12:37] <yofel> no, beta backports is for actual beta stuff, e.g. plasma 5.5.95 or so. Although these days kde has really short beta release times, so the ppa is mostly unused
[12:39] <Maxiride_> oh I must have misunderstood then. The diagram at the begin of that wiki is confusing than. I thought -landing was beta backports because the diagram shows that beta-backports goes into backports like -landing does.
[12:40] <Maxiride_> *then
[12:40] <yofel> hm, that's a bit wrong, right. But -landing also didn't exist yet when that diagram was made. We need to update that sometime
[12:43] <nicols> yofel: where are the main announcements for releases is it on http://www.kubuntu.org/news/ ? or somewhere else?
[12:43] <yofel> yes, that
[12:44] <nicols> yofel: valorie gave me some links about packaging process, i would like to be of some help here... now i am doing some reading stuff  :)
[12:45] <yofel> great, see the packaging docs link in the topic where the others tried to gather some resources.
[12:45] <yofel> I should have time in the evening to answer questions
[12:47] <nicols> cool :)
[12:49] <soee> yofel: maybe we could plan some 1-2 hours sessions each week where you could explain packaging stuff to those who want to start ?
[12:51] <soee> i must say on 5.5.3 (Wily) all works much smoother here @ work with 2 screens configuration etc.
[12:51] <yofel> that usually fails at coordinating times.. 
[12:51] <yofel> I'll agree on the 5.5.3 opinion
[12:56] <Quintasan> I'll say screen locker is still broken with two screens here
[12:57] <soee> i'v seen some commits in master to it, maybe it will be fixed osmehow in 5.5.6
[12:57] <Quintasan> When I close the lid it locks the screen and tries to display the screen lock on both screens
[12:58] <Quintasan> But fails miserably on the external display and shows a black background or (even worse) the windows.
[12:58] <Quintasan> I guess that's what you get for trying to do modern desktop on top of X
[12:58] <Quintasan> Shows how ill prepared we are for The Year of Linux on the Desktop.
[13:09] <nicols> should i Apply for a Developer Account?
[14:29] <bshah> I am not sure why freebsd_build_fix patch is applied in kubuntu packkaging??
[14:30] <yofel> we apply all debian patches - unless they break something
[14:33] <bshah> it doesn't apply anymore on git
[14:33] <bshah> I did refresh it but somehow didn't work out. :O
[14:33] <yofel> the comment it out in series
[14:34] <yofel> *then
[14:36] <clivejo> "open hardware, such as Raspberry Pi" yeah right!
[14:37] <yofel> who came up with that nonsense?
[14:39]  * mamarley throws a GPU blob at whoever came up with that nonsense.
[14:39] <mamarley> Splat!
[14:41] <clivejo> --> https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/878287-mycroft-linuxs-own-ai/
[14:42] <clivejo> theres a few quotes in that article made me hiss and spit
[14:45] <soee> freebsd is one step before us http://euroquis.nl/bobulate/?p=1423 :D
[14:46] <yofel> FreeBSD beat us...
[14:46]  * yofel goes hiding in a corner
[14:47] <clivejo> Ryan recalls an interesting conversation with business people who don’t understand open source model. “When we talked to business guys and they ask what’s the point of going open source instead of proprietary, I explained it in this way: I spent no money and my software improved within 20 minutes of release, and then those business guys get it.”
[14:48] <clivejo> "his" software
[14:48] <Riddell> saying no money can be dangerous cos at some point you'll probably need to spend some and then they get grumpy
[14:49] <clivejo> Riddell: did you ever research snappy?
[14:50] <Riddell> nah, I looked at xdg-app thing, it seems to involve installing all of fedora into ~/.local
[14:52] <yofel> ximion can probably tell you more details of how that works. But I think that's about the idea
[14:52] <yofel> but I don't think it necessarily has to be fedora. That's just what they started out with
[16:21] <LocutusOfBorg> Hi, I just did a marble upload to fix quazip transition
[16:21] <LocutusOfBorg> "change libquazip-qt5-dev build dep to libquazip5-dev"
[16:21] <LocutusOfBorg> please steal my upload when you update marble :)
[16:57] <LocutusOfBorg> oh... I guess this is from git, not from xenial, right? yofel 
[16:57] <LocutusOfBorg> ^^^^
[16:59] <yofel> LocutusOfBorg: we plan to merge git master anyway, and our upload sanity check fails if there's an archive change that's missing from our git history. So either way, we'll get both changes ;)
[16:59] <LocutusOfBorg> oh, so not my mistake I hope
[16:59] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm still waiting for it to migrate
[16:59] <LocutusOfBorg> autopkgtest didn't even start yet
[17:01] <yofel> no, what you did is fine. People don't usually ask before uploading to the archive anyway, so we're used to fixing stuff up later on. (And know how to)
[17:01] <yofel> So if anything, thanks for telling that you uploaded something
[20:30] <tsimonq2> a/or
[20:30] <tsimonq2> whoops sorry
[20:46] <soee> yofel: did you maybe backported plasma-desktop and plasma-framework commits ?
[20:48] <yofel> soee: not any this week so far
[20:48] <yofel> I do remember that you pointed to something in p-d at least..
[20:49] <soee> hmm yes, i see that task manager items spacing is fixed i think
[20:50] <soee> thats why i asked, but maybe it was something different that caused this
[20:59] <soee> yofel: are we ready to relase 5.5.3 for Wily ?
[21:00] <yofel> I'll copy it in a bit. Announcement will follow when I get to it
[21:00] <yofel> not today though
[21:01] <soee> oki
[22:04] <yofel> one last upgrade test..
[22:07] <yofel> in backports now
[22:10] <valorie> my goodness that ppa page hadn't been updated in ages
[22:10] <valorie> still talked about KOffice
[22:13] <valorie> we don't still have n experimental PPA, correct?
[22:14] <valorie> instead we use staging?
[22:14] <yofel> experimental is still a thing
[22:14] <yofel> it's for.. "experimental" stuff ^^
[22:14] <valorie> hmmm, still listed in launchpad
[22:14] <valorie> ok
[22:15] <valorie> do we still split up staging?
[22:15] <valorie> Kubuntu Staging Frameworks
[22:15] <valorie> Kubuntu Staging KDE Applications
[22:15] <yofel> yes
[22:15] <valorie> Kubuntu Staging Misc
[22:15] <valorie> Kubuntu Staging Plasma
[22:15] <valorie> ok
[22:16] <yofel> removed wily status for FW and P, as those are DONE
[22:18] <valorie> ok, someone should read over that page to be sure that my versioning examples are sane, but otherwise, it's just KDE SC > Plasma or Plasma and Frameworks, KOffice  > Calligra, etc.
[22:18] <valorie> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs 
[22:20] <yofel> it's ~fine
[22:20] <yofel> the probably most wrong thing on the page is that graph
[22:20] <yofel> but it looks cool, so lets keep it
[22:21] <valorie> lol
[22:21] <valorie> we could get someone like ovidiu-florin to make a new one, just as cool
[22:21] <valorie> but more correct
[22:23] <valorie> added a note in the packaging docs about that
[22:24] <yofel> good idea
[22:25] <yofel> lol, that already says that the page needs a new graph :D
[22:30] <valorie> yeah, just added it
[22:30] <valorie> wow, ubuntu really did well in GCi
[22:30] <valorie> KDE not as well
[22:31] <valorie> at least in number of tasks completed