[05:47] <didrocks> good morning!
[05:48] <hikiko> hello :)
[05:48] <hikiko> hi didrocks
[05:49] <hikiko> it's snowing here! :)  (finally we have winter!!)
[05:55] <didrocks> hey hikiko! we had some snowing here, but nothing which remains on ground :)
[05:59] <hikiko> yeah we had that too but today we have real snow (on the ground) for the 1st time this winter :)
[07:16]  * flocculant had normal snow for southern england - melted in the sky before it landed
[07:26] <Mirv> hikiko: great! we had to wait for a long time but finally during the last two weeks it's been a real winter too :)
[07:26] <pitti> Good morning
[07:28] <hikiko> :D
[07:28] <hikiko> good morning Mirv pitti flocculant :)
[07:29] <hikiko> lol @normal southern england snow :p
[07:29] <flocculant> :)
[08:03] <larsu> happy Monday!
[08:04] <larsu> and good morning :)
[08:08] <didrocks> happy Monday larsu!
[08:08] <larsu> bonjour didrocks! Thanks, you too!
[08:11] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:35] <Trevinho> Morning!
[08:35] <didrocks> good morning Trevinho!
[08:36] <pitti> hey larsu and Trevinho !
[08:36] <pitti> bonjour didrocks et seb128, comment allez-vous ?
[08:37] <seb128> hey Trevinho pitti!
[08:37] <seb128> bien, et toi ?
[08:37] <larsu> guten morgen pitti!
[08:37] <pitti> seb128: bien aussi; j'ai travaillé beaucoup ce week-end pour préparer le "virtual sprint" cette semaine
[08:37] <seb128> oh :-(
[08:37] <didrocks> hey pitti! really well, and you ?
[08:37] <pitti> mais on a beacoup de neige ! \o/
[08:38] <seb128> le w.e c'est fait pour se reposer !
[08:38] <pitti> seb128: c'était d'accord, pas de problème :)
[08:38] <Trevinho> Hi pitti didrocks and seb128 :-)
[08:38] <pitti> enfin l'hiver est arrivé
[08:39] <Trevinho> Oui... Here as well
[08:40] <Trevinho> -4.6° right now...
[08:40] <pitti> vendredi nous avons vu le film "The Revenant", j'ai l'aimé ! le connaisez-vous ?
[08:43] <pitti> didrocks: did you already add a workaround for the chown issue? I just realized that this chown is almost surely not from your tests, but from adt-run itself
[08:43] <didrocks> pitti: no, I didn't add anything
[08:43] <pitti> didrocks: and as it fails on that, it never actually gets to the point where it starts the tee for -stdout, and thus wets its pants like that
[08:43] <pitti> didrocks: so, don't for now
[08:44] <didrocks> pitti: no worry, keep me posted!
[08:53] <pitti> didrocks: do you have "rw-build-tree" in your Restrictions:?
[08:55] <didrocks> pitti: yeah
[08:55] <pitti> didrocks: ah, so that's where the chmod comes from
[08:55] <pitti> err, chown
[08:56] <pitti> didrocks: ok, so I know what's going on -- this runs as user (as the test doesn't have needs-root), so it can't work
[08:56] <pitti> didrocks: I'll write a small test for that and fix
[08:57] <pitti> didrocks: rw-build-tree is very rare, so not tested well :(
[08:58]  * didrocks feels rate in essence :)
[08:58] <willcooke> morning all
[08:59] <pitti> didrocks: bug 1535234
[09:00] <pitti> didrocks: "rate in essence"?
[09:01] <didrocks> rare*
[09:01] <didrocks> thanks pitti!
[09:01] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[09:01] <Laney> HI!
[09:01] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:02] <willcooke> didrocks, when are you leaving for the airport?  today?
[09:02] <didrocks> willcooke: tomorrow (leaving from home at 5am)
[09:02] <willcooke> didrocks, oooof
[09:03] <didrocks> yeah, will be challenging ;)
[09:03] <larsu> morning Laney, willcooke!
[09:03] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:03] <willcooke> hey larsu, larsu
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:03] <willcooke> Laney,
[09:04] <larsu> double-hey for me!
[09:04] <willcooke> morning seb128, are you up early tomorrow as well?
[09:04] <willcooke> larsu, :D
[09:04] <pitti> didrocks: oh, où vas-tu ?
[09:04] <didrocks> pitti: UbuCon (LA)
[09:04] <seb128> willcooke, tomorrow? less than didrocks, likely around 6:30
[09:04] <seb128> still early though
[09:04] <didrocks> seb128: and you arrive before me! :p
[09:04] <pitti> didrocks: ah, bon vol !
[09:04] <seb128> direct flight \o/
[09:05] <didrocks> pitti: merci :)
[09:05] <seb128> and airport 40 min train away
[09:05] <pitti> seb128: from Amsterdam?
[09:05] <seb128> yes
[09:05] <Laney> hey didrocks larsu seb128 willcooke1
[09:05] <Laney> how's it going?
[09:05] <didrocks> Laney: good! putting some $$$ in my wallet!
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, good! had a relaxing w.e!
[09:06] <larsu> Laney: good thanks! Had a nice snowy weekend. How about you?
[09:06] <seb128> and very nice weather
[09:06] <seb128> sunny
[09:06]  * Laney is good
[09:06] <Laney> we went out to watch a friend do a touring performance in some nearby pubs
[09:06] <seb128> no tennis though, I was still not 100% back from being sick this week and didn't want to risk having it again before travelling
[09:06] <Laney> the last one turned out to be in a singing club
[09:07] <seb128> video or it didn't happen! :p
[09:07] <Laney> which was unexpected but turned out to be funny
[09:07] <pitti> morning Laney!
[09:07] <Laney> THEN on saturday we went to a cat place
[09:07] <seb128> NICE!
[09:07] <Laney> and the man wouldn't let us in and said they had no cats
[09:07] <seb128> ?!
[09:07] <Laney> but we checked on facebook later
[09:07] <Laney> and they were posting about new cats
[09:07] <Laney> so...
[09:07] <Laney> that was weird
[09:08] <seb128> are you sure you had the right address?
[09:08] <Laney> yeah it had a sign
[09:08] <Laney> seemed to be run out of someone's house
[09:08] <seb128> somebody who was not from the place played a joke on you?
[09:09] <seb128> well, bad luck
[09:09] <Laney> maybe
[09:09] <Laney> i'll try a more professional place
[09:09] <seb128> yeah, don't give up :-)
[09:09] <seb128> maaoooww
[09:09] <Laney> or the cat cafe does rehoming and my mum wants to go when she visits for my birthday on saturday
[09:09] <Laney> so i can ask them then
[09:19] <davmor2> Laney, seb128, willcooke: are any of you having network manager not come up at any time?
[09:20] <seb128> never happened to me
[09:21] <willcooke> davmor2, negative
[09:21] <davmor2> Booted up this morning and no wifi the icon was there showing that ethernet was connected which is interesting as I'm on the xps 13 with no ethernet :)
[09:22] <davmor2> I'll do some testing on it later and see if I can reproduce
[09:22] <seb128> so the icon was there
[09:22] <seb128> which is different from "not coming up"
[09:22] <seb128> wifi missing happens sometime after suspend/resume here
[09:23] <davmor2> seb128: Yeah sorry not specific enough
[09:23] <seb128> which I think is more a kernel issue
[09:25] <davmor2> seb128: yeah I wasn't sure if it was nm being flakey or the kernel or if it was just this machine hence asking if anyone else had seen it first
[09:37] <Laney> davmor2: I have had some problem
[09:37] <Laney> with it getting confused with an interface which lxc creates
[09:37] <Laney> but actually I didn't have that for a few weeks so maybe it got fixed
[09:37] <Laney> it used to think that was a connected wired interface
[09:37] <Laney> and so not automatically connect the wifi
[09:43] <seb128> when I get the issue the menu list no APs
[09:47] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/network-manager/+bug/1445134 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1422096
[10:02] <Laney> Trevinho: Trevinho Trevinho Trevinho Trevinho
[10:03] <Laney> trevinhooooooOOOOoooOOOoooOOOooOOOOooOOOooOOOooooo
[10:14] <larsu> Laney: looking for someone?
[10:15] <seb128> some italian?
[10:16] <Laney> the last form of that name feels good to say
[10:16] <Laney> might just start shouting it whenever something surprising happens
[10:16] <Laney> try it
[10:16] <Laney> you need some big arm gestures too
[10:20]  * larsu just did that aloud
[10:20] <larsu> feel funny now
[10:24]  * seb128 ponders taking a flight seat in the middle after the kitchen (= no seat in front) an outside view one
[10:25] <seb128> I though the row after the kitchen would have more leg room as well but seatguru suggests it might have less...
[10:25] <ogra_> wow, you are early with your checkin :)
[10:25] <Laney> pay for the business upgrade
[10:25] <seb128> I got an email with a clicky thing :p
[10:25] <seb128> they didn't propose me that one
[10:25] <seb128> they suggest eco comfort for 90€ though
[10:25] <seb128> unsure if that's worth it
[10:25] <ogra_> 10cm legspace :P
[10:26] <Laney> is that economy plus?
[10:26] <ogra_> united ?
[10:26] <seb128> klm
[10:27] <ogra_> ah, havent flown them since 10 years :)
[10:28] <Laney> gotta be loyal to your country
[10:28] <seb128> lol
[10:29] <ogra_> Laney, "north"-france you mean ?
[10:29] <seb128> I took the "next to the kitchen"
[10:29] <seb128> let's see how that goes
[10:30] <ogra_> at least you wont starve :)
[10:30] <Laney> take earplugs and an eye mask if you want to sleep
[10:30] <seb128> I don't think I want to sleep this way
[10:30] <seb128> maybe just nap for an hour
[10:30] <seb128> goal is to stay awake and crash down at 10pm or something
[10:30] <pitti> seb128: don't say "crash" if it involves plane rides!
[10:31] <seb128> ups
[10:31] <seb128> anyway no full night this way
[10:31] <seb128> so I prefer having some laptop space
[10:31] <seb128> though I might end up watching movies
[10:31] <willcooke> drink all the gin
[10:31] <seb128> haha
[10:33] <seb128> 'all the gin' they serve for free is probably not much though
[10:33] <willcooke> hah
[10:34] <Laney> "just leave the bottle"
[10:35] <seb128> you brits ;-)
[10:36] <willcooke> I'll fight you!
[10:36]  * Laney actually doesn't really like gin
[10:37]  * seb128 neither
[10:38]  * willcooke puts laney and seb128 on The List
[10:38] <seb128> :-(
[10:38] <Laney> should be happy
[10:38] <Laney> more gin for you
[10:38] <willcooke> ha
[10:44] <Laney> larsu: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760683#c8 go tell smcv that he can do it :P
[10:45] <larsu> Laney: I don't feel comfortable acking that, either... sorry
[10:45] <larsu> Laney: who maintains that part of glib?
[10:48] <Laney> no idea, everyone's changed it
[10:48] <Laney> was hoping for someone to tell him that it's okay to say okay
[10:48] <Laney> MOVE FAST AND BREAK THINGS
[10:48]  * Laney is agile
[10:48] <larsu> I'm definitely not that person
[10:49] <larsu> but mclasen should be on in a bit, he'll ack it
[10:49] <Laney> hopefully before the release
[10:49] <larsu> ping him
[10:52] <Laney> will do if I notice
[10:52] <Laney> weird people who quit irc
[10:56] <larsu> Laney: like seb128? *cough*
[10:56] <Laney> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeird
[12:08] <Laney> there's a mobile tree shredding machine going to town out the front
[12:08] <Laney> exciting
[12:11] <willcooke> Chuck the Christmas tree in
[12:11] <Laney> should do
[12:11] <Laney> the half is still there
[12:12] <Laney> tempted to fly tip it at the council building
[12:12] <willcooke> :D
[12:13] <Trevinho> Laney: oh sorry... I was washing stuff and packing.
[12:15] <Laney> hi Trevinho
[12:15] <Laney> I wanted to ask you about the webkit scrollbar stuff
[12:15]  * Laney forgot everything
[12:27]  * xnox really should take down my christmas tree
[12:28] <Trevinho> Laney: well I didn't do anything on that yet...
[12:29] <Laney> Trevinho: I'm trying to get rid of old webkit
[12:29] <Laney> this an obvious bug with wk2
[12:29] <Laney> can you work on it or no time?
[12:38] <Trevinho> Laney: not much time, but... I might look at it.
[12:47] <Laney> Trevinho: well it's going to be visible in the software-center, control-center, release upgrader, shotwell
[12:50] <Trevinho> Looks like it needs some love...
[12:52] <Laney> yes, that's why I'm talking to you
[13:51] <desrt> good morning, partners in crime
[13:53] <seb128> hey desrt!
[13:55] <desrt> hello seb
[13:55] <desrt> good weekend?
[13:58] <seb128> yes! relaxing, we have cold and sunny weather, which was a nice change from the mild&wet
[13:58] <seb128> what about you?
[13:59] <didrocks> good morning desrt
[13:59] <desrt> was okay... went to hamilton for a day to catch a hockey game.  over too fast :)
[13:59] <desrt> hello didrocks.  glad to see you're still doing the good-morning protocol ;)
[13:59] <Laney> what up desrt
[13:59] <didrocks> desrt: hehe, I will stay around anyway :p
[14:00] <didrocks> snow \o/
[14:00] <desrt> Laney: playing with my yubikey
[14:00] <desrt> i think i have the 'ultimate gpg setup' situation now, with only one small problem remaining
[14:01] <desrt> the small problem: can't figure out how to turn off the led on the yubikey when it's idle :)
[14:02] <Laney> using it as smartcard?
[14:02] <desrt> ya
[14:03] <Laney> neat
[14:03] <desrt> with three separate subkeys for encrypt/sign/authenticate
[14:03] <desrt> the master key was generated on a machine that has never touched the internet (and never will) and stored on an sdcard in a safety deposit box
[14:03] <desrt> i also used that machine to program the yubikey
[14:04] <desrt> some extra coolness: i have to physically touch the yubikey before it will perform a sign/encrypt/auth operation
[14:05] <desrt> and also: it is now functioning as my ssh-agent... so i also have to touch it in order to ssh somewhere now
[14:06] <desrt> that's sort of always what i wanted... an out-of-band "yes, i allow this" step for ssh-agent... makes me feel better about using agent forwarding, for example
[14:16] <willcooke> neat!
[15:26] <davmor2> willcooke: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/14.04.4-daily.png
[15:30] <davmor2> willcooke: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/16.04-daily.png
[15:30] <davmor2> willcooke: both amd64 against a secureboot kvm setup :)
[15:30] <willcooke> Nice, thanks davmor2
[15:30] <willcooke> assuming I'm looking at a working system and not a bug ;)
[15:31] <davmor2> willcooke: live desktop at least :)
[15:31] <willcooke> \o/
[15:34] <davmor2> willcooke: Talking of which I still need to run it on real hardware to test for a thing that I saw popup for the first time on 16.04 if you enable the 3rd party drivers it asks for a password to disable secureboot
[15:35] <davmor2> I wanta ensure that works on real hardware
[17:15]  * didrocks waves good evening and good night
[17:16] <willcooke> see didrocks
[17:16] <didrocks> see you willcooke :)
[17:16] <seb128> didrocks, safe travel!
[17:16] <didrocks> thanks, you too seb128
[17:29] <alexarnaud> Hi everyone !
[17:30] <alexarnaud> hikiko: hi !
[19:12] <george4n> anyone here?
[19:50] <robert_ancell> attente, hi
[19:50] <attente> robert_ancell: hey
[19:51] <robert_ancell> attente, was wondering if you had a look at GNOME Software stuff. It's probably easier now to find some good tasks to work on.
[19:51] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[19:51] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi, can meeting whenever you are ready
[19:52] <willcooke> robert_ancell, if now works lets do it
[19:52] <attente> robert_ancell: yeah... really sorry i haven't had a chance, and this week isn't a good one for me (at a sprint)
[19:53] <robert_ancell> attente, ok cool. Let's do a hangout when you are ready and I can run you through the options
[19:53] <attente> sure
[20:38] <willcooke> gnith all
[20:38] <willcooke> gnight