| === farooghkz is now known as farooghkz[away] | ||
| === farooghkz[away] is now known as farooghkz | ||
| farooghkz | چطور ی کامپیوتر رو روشن کنم؟ | 12:33 |
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| farooghkz | از راه دور | 12:38 |
| alimj | Good evening :: عصر همه به خیر | 15:16 |
| farooghkz | سلام | 17:12 |
| farooghkz | جواب سلام واجبه :) | 17:12 |
| mike90 | hi, salam, shalom, hello, moin ... | 17:16 |
| mike90 | gift 4 my friend :D | 17:16 |
| farooghkz | thanks 4 gift :) | 17:18 |
| farooghkz | how 2 turn on a computer? | 17:18 |
| farooghkz | also im not near that | 17:19 |
| mike90 | i usually left my work computers turned on :D | 17:20 |
| mike90 | actually didnt tried that :D | 17:20 |
| farooghkz | i want make a remote 4 a computer | 17:21 |
| farooghkz | works on internet | 17:21 |
| farooghkz | mike, still working on libc? | 17:22 |
| mike90 | i know but turning it on remotely doesnt make sense for me (unless you have smart home devices/ remote-controlls/etc) | 17:22 |
| mike90 | yes, im on it | 17:22 |
| mike90 | farooghkz: currently im trying to extend POSIX standards on it | 17:23 |
| farooghkz | how 2 turn on that by internet? | 17:24 |
| alimj | farooghkz: It is easy to turn on a computer using WoL :: برای روشن کردن کامپیوتر از راه دور با وی او ال | 17:24 |
| * mike90 has no idea ;D | 17:24 | |
| farooghkz | hi ali :) | 17:24 |
| alimj | Only possible through Ethernet :: فقط ممکن با کابل شبکه | 17:25 |
| farooghkz | whats wol? | 17:25 |
| alimj | Hi farooghkz | 17:25 |
| alimj | WoL = Wake on LAN :: یعنی روشن کردن با شبکه | 17:25 |
| farooghkz | explain | 17:25 |
| mike90 | alimj: o/ | 17:25 |
| alimj | Hi mike90 :: سلام مایک | 17:25 |
| alimj | Some motherboards and laptops support WoL :: بعضی از مادربردها و لپتاپها پشتیبانی می‌کنند | 17:26 |
| mike90 | alimj: shouldnt Network adapter support that feature (or all support it ?) | 17:26 |
| alimj | mike90: WiFi does not support it (as well as some old Ethernet NICs and Motherboards | 17:26 |
| mike90 | umm, got it, tnx ;D | 17:27 |
| alimj | farooghkz: Usually it should be possible to find the option in BIOS setting :: معمولا در تنظیمات بایوس پیدا می‌شود | 17:27 |
| farooghkz | ali, just this way?another way? | 17:27 |
| alimj | It is the standard way :: راه استاندارد این است | 17:27 |
| alimj | There are other ways :: راه های دیگری هم هست | 17:28 |
| alimj | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN :: https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%86_%D8%A7%D8%B2_%D8%B4%D8%A8%DA%A9%D9%87 | 17:28 |
| farooghkz | what r those other ways? | 17:28 |
| alimj | You can port-forward WoL packets from your router to the Internet | 17:29 |
| alimj | Please explain what you want to do, so I can help better :: لطفا دقیقا به من توظیح بده که چه کاری می‌خواهی بکنی تا من جواب بدهم | 17:29 |
| alimj | Are you want to make an IoT device? :: می‌خواهی از راه دور هر وسیله‌ای را خاموش روشن کنی؟ | 17:30 |
| farooghkz | i want turn on a computer by internet.i want make a software 4 remote controll | 17:30 |
| alimj | A PC or a Laptop? | 17:31 |
| farooghkz | both | 17:31 |
| alimj | Connected with Ethernet cable or WiFi? | 17:31 |
| farooghkz | both.i want make a public app | 17:32 |
| alimj | It won't be easy to do it with WiFi :: از طریق بیسیم ساده نیست | 17:33 |
| alimj | Somehow you should connect a relay to power button :: باید یکجوری یک رله به کلید روشن خاموش وصل شود | 17:33 |
| farooghkz | ok.i should search that.thanks 4 wol :) | 17:33 |
| alimj | Do this: | 17:34 |
| alimj | 1) Enable DDNS on your Router :: دی دی ان اس روتر را فعال کن | 17:34 |
| alimj | This should make it possible to find your router from the Internet easily :: با این کارت می‌توانی روتر را از سمت اینترنت به راحتی پیدا کنی | 17:35 |
| alimj | Using a fixed URL rather than IP :: با یک آدرس اینترنتی به جای آی پی | 17:35 |
| alimj | 2) Use a static IP for that PC/Laptop :: یک آی پی استاتیک به کامپیوتر بده | 17:36 |
| alimj | 3) Forward the WoL packets from that IP :: پکت‌های وی او ال را به آن آی پی فورارد کن | 17:37 |
| alimj | 4) Search for WoL app on your mobile phone (or tablet, ...) :: یک اپ برای وی او ال روی تبلت یا موبایل یا هر وسیله دیگر نصب کن | 17:37 |
| alimj | In a nutshell :: به صورت خلاصه | 17:38 |
| alimj | http://www.howtogeek.com/192642/how-to-remotely-turn-on-your-pc-over-the-internet/ | 17:38 |
| farooghkz | thanks but not easy | 17:39 |
| alimj | Yes. Not easy. This is a complex task | 17:39 |
| * mike90 found a LOLish simillar concept "Wake-on-ring" | 17:40 | |
| alimj | farooghkz: Could you please tell us, why you want to do it? :: می‌تونی به ما بگی چرا این کار را می‌خواهی بکنی؟ من فضول هستم | 17:40 |
| mike90 | call 911 and your computer turns on ;D | 17:40 |
| farooghkz | i want make an app for public use. | 17:40 |
| alimj | As a commercial product for sales? :: به عنوان یک محصول تجاری برای فروش؟ | 17:41 |
| farooghkz | idk | 17:41 |
| mike90 | and then you'll say with yourself damn GPL | 17:41 |
| mike90 | *sorry for dirty words | 17:41 |
| mike90 | ;D | 17:42 |
| farooghkz | ali, why u r telling in 2 lang. ? | 17:42 |
| alimj | farooghkz: You could do that with Embedded solutions and a little bit of electronics :: می‌توانی با محصولات ارزان قیمت آی او تی و کمی الکترونیک انجامش بدی | 17:42 |
| alimj | farooghkz: For mike90 | 17:43 |
| * mike90 appreciates ;D | 17:43 | |
| mike90 | alimj ^ | 17:43 |
| farooghkz | to learn persian? | 17:43 |
| alimj | Yes | 17:43 |
| mike90 | \o/ | 17:43 |
| alimj | But that would be much more complex that WoL :: ولی از وی‌اوال خیلی خیلی پیچیده‌تره | 17:43 |
| alimj | Using SBCs such as Raspberry Pi, C.H.I.P and similar devices :: با استفاده از کامپیوترهای تک بردی مثل رازبری، چیپ و مشابه | 17:44 |
| alimj | Or Arduino + (Ethernetshield, WiFi shield, GSM shield, etc.) :: یا آردوینو و شیلدهای مورد نظر | 17:45 |
| farooghkz | become expensive | 17:45 |
| alimj | But this would be very very complex :: ولی خیلی سخت خواهد بود | 17:46 |
| alimj | Not too much expensive | 17:46 |
| farooghkz | complex=پیجیده?right? | 17:46 |
| alimj | Yes. Complex == پیچیده | 17:47 |
| alimj | Raspberry Zero is $5 | 17:47 |
| farooghkz | i know | 17:47 |
| farooghkz | but | 17:47 |
| farooghkz | that app should be free. | 17:48 |
| alimj | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WakeOnLan | 17:49 |
| farooghkz | lets forget that.how many models of rpi r in iran?i think just 3. | 17:49 |
| alimj | The problem is that there are already many many free Apps for that :: مشکل اینجا است که همین الان خیلی اپ مجانی برای این کار هست | 17:49 |
| alimj | farooghkz: There are Pi (old one), Pi+, Pi 2 | 17:50 |
| farooghkz | i dont want continue that prj after making. | 17:50 |
| alimj | Pi Zero is currently not available (even in US the stocks are limited) | 17:50 |
| alimj | farooghkz: Is it for university? :: پروژه دانشگاهیه؟ | 17:51 |
| farooghkz | im 15 | 17:51 |
| alimj | You are so young :-D | 17:51 |
| farooghkz | yes | 17:51 |
| farooghkz | my app will be different | 17:52 |
| alimj | Do you want to make the App on Android, iOS, Linux, Windows or Webbased? | 17:52 |
| mike90 | oh farooghkz, if you didnt tell that i'd thought you're much older ;D | 17:53 |
| farooghkz | u must controll ur computer with irc | 17:53 |
| alimj | For reference: http://alternativeto.net/software/wol-magic-packet-sender/ | 17:54 |
| alimj | farooghkz: Are you in Iran? | 17:54 |
| farooghkz | mike,why u thought that? | 17:55 |
| alimj | Because you want to do big projects | 17:55 |
| alimj | Usually people do this to control their home PC from work (or vice versa) :: معمولا مردم این را برای این می‌خواهند که از محل کار کامپیوتر خانه را کنترل کنند (یا بلعکس) | 17:56 |
| farooghkz | my prj is very small and simple | 17:57 |
| * alimj Shrugs :: نمی‌دانم | 17:59 | |
| alimj | Why did he leave without saying goodbye :-/ | 18:00 |
| alimj | Maybe because I talk too much | 18:01 |
| farooghkz | wb faroogh | 18:03 |
| farooghkz | i like 2 have a rpi | 18:03 |
| alimj | farooghkz: You can buy one for really cheap :: نسبتا قیمت‌ها پایین هستند | 18:04 |
| alimj | http://eshop.eca.ir/218-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AF-raspberry | 18:04 |
| * farooghkz doesnt have money | 18:05 | |
| * farooghkz doesnt have any money | 18:06 | |
| alimj | Even if you do not have enough money, you can learn a lot :: حتی اگر پول کافی نداشته باشی، می‌توانی خیلی یاد بگیری | 18:07 |
| alimj | It is possible to learn a lot with free software :: می‌توانی با نرم افزارهای رایگان چیزهای زیادی یاد بگیری | 18:07 |
| farooghkz | simulator? | 18:08 |
| alimj | Yes, simulators for example | 18:09 |
| alimj | or reading, watching videos | 18:09 |
| farooghkz | im waiting 4 money.its a good idea to mine bitcoin with that | 18:10 |
| alimj | It is a very bad idea to mine bitcoin | 18:10 |
| farooghkz | ali, good idea | 18:11 |
| farooghkz | ali, im in iran | 18:11 |
| alimj | Not possible with usual HW any more :: دیگه با سخت افزارهای معمولی ممکن نیست | 18:11 |
| farooghkz | ali, why? | 18:11 |
| alimj | It will require ASIC HW :: سخت افزارهای تخصصی می‌خواهد | 18:11 |
| farooghkz | i red this somewhere else but | 18:12 |
| alimj | Even not possible with modern graphic cards :: حتی با کارتهای گرافیک مدرن هم دیگه ممکن نیست | 18:12 |
| farooghkz | I thought that means u cant mine much with usual hw | 18:12 |
| alimj | Also some of the early Bitcoin developers believe that it is dying :: همچنین بعضی از طراحان اولیه بیت کوین باور دارند که داره از بین می‌رود | 18:13 |
| farooghkz | bitcoin is dying? | 18:14 |
| alimj | Yes. Bitcoin is dying :: بله داره میمیره | 18:14 |
| farooghkz | :( | 18:15 |
| alimj | http://www.wsj.com/articles/is-bitcoin-breaking-up-1453044493 | 18:15 |
| farooghkz | but why? | 18:15 |
| alimj | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35343561 | 18:15 |
| * farooghkz cant open links | 18:16 | |
| alimj | The amount of bitcoins available for mining is halved each year :: میزان بیت کوین قابل استخراج شدن هر سال نصف می‌شود | 18:16 |
| alimj | Bitcoin protocol is designed this way :: پروتوکل بیت کوین اینجوری درست شده | 18:17 |
| farooghkz | yes but | 18:17 |
| alimj | When people mine for coins, they actually allow other people to make transactions :: وقتی مردم سعی می‌کنند بیت کوین استخراج کنند، در واقع به دیگران این امکان را می‌دهند که تراکنش داشته باشند | 18:18 |
| farooghkz | bitcoin is a type of money.for example value of our money doesnt change but it is not dying | 18:19 |
| alimj | The problem is it is getting harder to mine and eventually people will have to pay transaction fees :: مشکل اینجا است که بالاخره استخراج بسیار مشکل خواهد شد و مردم باید برای تراکنش کارمزد بدهند | 18:19 |
| alimj | farooghkz: http://www.ghatreh.com/news/nn29850574/%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%87-%D8%AF%D9%87%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%87-%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%AA-%DA%A9%D9%88%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%B4%DA%A9%D8%B3%D8%AA-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%85-%D9%BE%D9%88%D9%84%DB%8C-%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%B1-%D8%AF%D9%87%D8%AF | 18:20 |
| * farooghkz cant open links | 18:20 | |
| alimj | Sorry | 18:20 |
| farooghkz | np | 18:21 |
| alimj | In a nutshell, bitcoin was not designed for today challenges :: خلاصه بگویم، بیت کوین برای مشکلات امروزی طراحی نشده بوده | 18:21 |
| alimj | If you want to earn money (as a young person), I would recommend you to learn web development :: اگر می‌خواهی پول در بیاوری (به عنوان یک جوان) توصیه می‌کنم طراحی وب یاد بگیری | 18:22 |
| alimj | I bet people in family would pay you to develop simple websites for them :: شرط می‌بندم که دوست و فامیل برای طراحی سایت‌های ساده پول می‌دهند | 18:22 |
| farooghkz | i know html and a little of css.maybe php in future.also i know python,c,cpp | 18:23 |
| alimj | farooghkz: Good | 18:24 |
| alimj | You are too young to be concerned about money :: برای اینکه نگران پول باشی خیلی جوان هستی | 18:24 |
| farooghkz | also a little of js.maybe more in future | 18:24 |
| alimj | Try to focus on your high school studies :: سعی کن بر روی درس‌های کنکور فوکوس کنی | 18:25 |
| farooghkz | im not concerned | 18:25 |
| alimj | Why? :: چرا؟ | 18:25 |
| * mike90 suggest smart phone (andriod, ios) in addition of what alimj suggested ;D, here some n00b guys earn X*1000 $ (honestly !) per year with a simple damned app on google-play | 18:25 | |
| farooghkz | im not concerned much about money | 18:26 |
| alimj | I though you are not concerned on further study :: فکر کردم که به ادامه تحصیل علاقه نداری :-D | 18:27 |
| farooghkz | but i like money | 18:27 |
| farooghkz | also that ali! :p | 18:27 |
| farooghkz | LOL | 18:27 |
| alimj | At your age, you should decide on what you like to do and who you want to be in the future :: الان باید به این که چه می‌خواهی بکنی و که می‌خواهی باشی فکر کنی | 18:28 |
| alimj | Do you want to be an Engineer? A Programmer? A businessman? | 18:28 |
| farooghkz | software developer | 18:28 |
| farooghkz | and data science | 18:29 |
| alimj | Only software developer? | 18:29 |
| alimj | Ok, data scientist | 18:29 |
| mike90 | alimj: "only software developer" seems degrading | 18:30 |
| farooghkz | what is diffrent between programmer and software developer? | 18:30 |
| alimj | mike90: I have great expectations :-P | 18:30 |
| alimj | farooghkz: Almost the same | 18:31 |
| mike90 | farooghkz: programmer focuses on syntax, developer on strategie | 18:31 |
| mike90 | s | 18:31 |
| farooghkz | data science=مهندس نرم افزار? | 18:31 |
| alimj | data scientist != مهندس نرم افزار | 18:31 |
| farooghkz | i dont know maybe programmer too | 18:32 |
| mike90 | data scientist knows how to process (usually store HUGE) data in efficient way | 18:32 |
| alimj | Whatever mike90 said | 18:32 |
| alimj | Ok. It is already 10:00PM here. I have to go now. I will be around. o/ | 18:33 |
| farooghkz | sorry,i want be data scientist.not data science. | 18:33 |
| farooghkz | k | 18:33 |
| mike90 | personally i myself am a little bored with being a scientist ;D | 18:33 |
| farooghkz | and sorry 4 my weak eng | 18:33 |
| mike90 | faroogh we know u are not a kind of science, unless you discover a new way o thinking and based on that you can explain how universe works | 18:35 |
| mike90 | then you can call it "faroogh science" | 18:35 |
| farooghkz | k. | 18:36 |
| mike90 | then some silly people will go to unversities and learn your way (instead of find their way ;D), and will become a "faroogh scientist" | 18:36 |
| mike90 | LOL | 18:36 |
| mike90 | ;D | 18:36 |
| farooghkz | lol | 18:37 |
| farooghkz | yes people should find their way | 18:38 |
| * mike90 explained why people go to universities ;D, this is "mike's sociology science" ;D | 18:38 | |
| farooghkz | university==callege? | 18:39 |
| mike90 | actually these names mean a little different in different countries (with different education systems) | 18:44 |
| mike90 | im not sure about yours ;D | 18:45 |
| farooghkz | np | 18:46 |
| farooghkz | where r u mike?what time is it? | 18:50 |
| farooghkz | its 22:21 4 me.sleep | 18:50 |
| * farooghkz is going 2 sleep | 18:51 | |
| farooghkz | bye! | 18:51 |
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