[12:33] <farooghkz> چطور ی کامپیوتر رو روشن کنم؟
[12:38] <farooghkz> از راه دور
[15:16] <alimj> Good evening :: عصر همه به خیر
[17:12] <farooghkz> سلام
[17:12] <farooghkz> جواب سلام واجبه :)
[17:16] <mike90> hi, salam, shalom, hello, moin ...
[17:16] <mike90> gift 4 my friend :D
[17:18] <farooghkz> thanks 4 gift :)
[17:18] <farooghkz> how 2 turn on a computer?
[17:19] <farooghkz> also im not near that
[17:20] <mike90> i usually left my work computers turned on :D
[17:20] <mike90> actually didnt tried that :D
[17:21] <farooghkz> i want make a remote 4 a computer
[17:21] <farooghkz> works on internet
[17:22] <farooghkz> mike, still working on libc?
[17:22] <mike90> i know but turning it on remotely doesnt make sense for me (unless you have smart home devices/ remote-controlls/etc)
[17:22] <mike90> yes, im on it
[17:23] <mike90> farooghkz: currently im trying to extend POSIX standards on it
[17:24] <farooghkz> how 2 turn on that by internet?
[17:24] <alimj> farooghkz: It is easy to turn on a computer using WoL :: برای روشن کردن کامپیوتر از راه دور با وی او ال
[17:24]  * mike90 has no idea ;D
[17:24] <farooghkz> hi ali :)
[17:25] <alimj> Only possible through Ethernet :: فقط ممکن با کابل شبکه
[17:25] <farooghkz> whats wol?
[17:25] <alimj> Hi farooghkz
[17:25] <alimj> WoL = Wake on LAN :: یعنی روشن کردن با شبکه
[17:25] <farooghkz> explain
[17:25] <mike90> alimj: o/
[17:25] <alimj> Hi mike90 :: سلام مایک
[17:26] <alimj> Some motherboards and laptops support WoL :: بعضی از مادربردها و لپتاپها پشتیبانی می‌کنند
[17:26] <mike90> alimj: shouldnt Network adapter support that feature (or all support it ?)
[17:26] <alimj> mike90: WiFi does not support it (as well as some old Ethernet NICs and Motherboards
[17:27] <mike90> umm, got it, tnx ;D
[17:27] <alimj> farooghkz: Usually it should be possible to find the option in BIOS setting :: معمولا در تنظیمات بایوس پیدا می‌شود
[17:27] <farooghkz> ali, just this way?another way?
[17:27] <alimj> It is the standard way :: راه استاندارد این است
[17:28] <alimj> There are other ways :: راه های دیگری هم هست
[17:28] <alimj> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN :: https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%86_%D8%A7%D8%B2_%D8%B4%D8%A8%DA%A9%D9%87
[17:28] <farooghkz> what r those other ways?
[17:29] <alimj> You can port-forward WoL packets from your router to the Internet
[17:29] <alimj> Please explain what you want to do, so I can help better :: لطفا دقیقا به من توظیح بده که چه کاری می‌خواهی بکنی تا من جواب بدهم
[17:30] <alimj> Are you want to make an IoT device? :: می‌خواهی از راه دور هر وسیله‌ای را خاموش روشن کنی؟
[17:30] <farooghkz> i want turn on a computer by internet.i want make a software 4 remote controll
[17:31] <alimj> A PC or a Laptop?
[17:31] <farooghkz> both
[17:31] <alimj> Connected with Ethernet cable or WiFi?
[17:32] <farooghkz> both.i want make a public app
[17:33] <alimj> It won't be easy to do it with WiFi :: از طریق بیسیم ساده نیست
[17:33] <alimj> Somehow you should connect a relay to power button :: باید یکجوری یک رله به کلید روشن خاموش وصل شود
[17:33] <farooghkz> ok.i should search that.thanks 4 wol :)
[17:34] <alimj> Do this:
[17:34] <alimj> 1) Enable DDNS on your Router :: دی دی ان اس روتر را فعال کن
[17:35] <alimj> This should make it possible to find your router from the Internet easily :: با این کارت می‌توانی روتر را از سمت اینترنت به راحتی پیدا کنی
[17:35] <alimj> Using a fixed URL rather than IP :: با یک آدرس اینترنتی به جای آی پی
[17:36] <alimj> 2) Use a static IP for that PC/Laptop :: یک آی پی استاتیک به کامپیوتر بده
[17:37] <alimj> 3) Forward the WoL packets from that IP :: پکت‌های وی او ال را به آن آی پی فورارد کن
[17:37] <alimj> 4) Search for WoL app on your mobile phone (or tablet, ...) :: یک اپ برای وی او ال روی تبلت یا موبایل یا هر وسیله دیگر نصب کن
[17:38] <alimj> In a nutshell :: به صورت خلاصه
[17:38] <alimj> http://www.howtogeek.com/192642/how-to-remotely-turn-on-your-pc-over-the-internet/
[17:39] <farooghkz> thanks but not easy
[17:39] <alimj> Yes. Not easy. This is a complex task
[17:40]  * mike90 found a LOLish simillar concept "Wake-on-ring"
[17:40] <alimj> farooghkz: Could you please tell us, why you want to do it? :: می‌تونی به ما بگی چرا این کار را می‌خواهی بکنی؟ من فضول هستم
[17:40] <mike90> call 911 and your computer turns on ;D
[17:40] <farooghkz> i want make an app for public use.
[17:41] <alimj> As a commercial product for sales? :: به عنوان یک محصول تجاری برای فروش؟
[17:41] <farooghkz> idk
[17:41] <mike90> and then you'll say with yourself damn GPL
[17:41] <mike90> *sorry for dirty words
[17:42] <mike90> ;D
[17:42] <farooghkz> ali, why u r telling in 2 lang. ?
[17:42] <alimj> farooghkz: You could do that with Embedded solutions and a little bit of electronics :: می‌توانی با محصولات ارزان قیمت آی او تی و کمی الکترونیک انجامش بدی
[17:43] <alimj> farooghkz: For mike90
[17:43]  * mike90 appreciates ;D
[17:43] <mike90> alimj ^
[17:43] <farooghkz> to learn persian?
[17:43] <alimj> Yes
[17:43] <mike90> \o/
[17:43] <alimj> But that would be much more complex that WoL :: ولی از وی‌اوال خیلی خیلی پیچیده‌تره
[17:44] <alimj> Using SBCs such as Raspberry Pi, C.H.I.P and similar devices :: با استفاده از کامپیوترهای تک بردی مثل رازبری، چیپ و مشابه
[17:45] <alimj> Or Arduino + (Ethernetshield, WiFi shield, GSM shield, etc.) :: یا آردوینو و شیلدهای مورد نظر
[17:45] <farooghkz> become expensive
[17:46] <alimj> But this would be very very complex :: ولی خیلی سخت خواهد بود
[17:46] <alimj> Not too much expensive
[17:46] <farooghkz> complex=‎پیجیده‎?right?
[17:47] <alimj> Yes. Complex == پیچیده
[17:47] <alimj> Raspberry Zero is $5
[17:47] <farooghkz> i know
[17:47] <farooghkz> but
[17:48] <farooghkz> that app should be free.
[17:49] <alimj> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WakeOnLan
[17:49] <farooghkz> lets forget that.how many models of rpi r in iran?i think just 3.
[17:49] <alimj> The problem is that there are already many many free Apps for that :: مشکل اینجا است که همین الان خیلی اپ مجانی برای این کار هست
[17:50] <alimj> farooghkz: There are Pi (old one), Pi+, Pi 2
[17:50] <farooghkz> i dont want continue that prj after making.
[17:50] <alimj> Pi Zero is currently not available (even in US the stocks are limited)
[17:51] <alimj> farooghkz: Is it for university? :: پروژه دانشگاهیه؟
[17:51] <farooghkz> im 15
[17:51] <alimj> You are so young :-D
[17:51] <farooghkz> yes
[17:52] <farooghkz> my app will be different
[17:52] <alimj> Do you want to make the App on Android, iOS, Linux, Windows or Webbased?
[17:53] <mike90> oh farooghkz, if you didnt tell that i'd thought you're much older ;D
[17:53] <farooghkz> u must controll ur computer with irc
[17:54] <alimj> For reference: http://alternativeto.net/software/wol-magic-packet-sender/
[17:54] <alimj> farooghkz: Are you in Iran?
[17:55] <farooghkz> mike,why u thought that?
[17:55] <alimj> Because you want to do big projects
[17:56] <alimj> Usually people do this to control their home PC from work (or vice versa) :: معمولا مردم این را برای این ‌می‌خواهند که از محل کار کامپیوتر خانه را کنترل کنند (یا بلعکس)
[17:57] <farooghkz> my prj is very small and simple
[17:59]  * alimj Shrugs :: نمی‌دانم
[18:00] <alimj> Why did he leave without saying goodbye :-/
[18:01] <alimj> Maybe because I talk too much
[18:03] <farooghkz> wb faroogh
[18:03] <farooghkz> i like 2 have a rpi
[18:04] <alimj> farooghkz: You can buy one for really cheap :: نسبتا قیمت‌ها پایین هستند
[18:04] <alimj> http://eshop.eca.ir/218-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AF-raspberry
[18:05]  * farooghkz doesnt have money
[18:06]  * farooghkz doesnt have any money
[18:07] <alimj> Even if you do not have enough money, you can learn a lot :: حتی اگر پول کافی نداشته باشی، می‌توانی خیلی یاد بگیری
[18:07] <alimj> It is possible to learn a lot with free software :: می‌توانی با نرم افزارهای رایگان چیزهای زیادی یاد بگیری
[18:08] <farooghkz> simulator?
[18:09] <alimj> Yes, simulators for example
[18:09] <alimj> or reading, watching videos
[18:10] <farooghkz> im waiting 4 money.its a good idea to mine bitcoin with that
[18:10] <alimj> It is a very bad idea to mine bitcoin
[18:11] <farooghkz> ali, good idea
[18:11] <farooghkz> ali, im in iran
[18:11] <alimj> Not possible with usual HW any more :: دیگه با سخت افزارهای معمولی ممکن نیست
[18:11] <farooghkz> ali, why?
[18:11] <alimj> It will require ASIC HW :: سخت افزارهای تخصصی می‌خواهد
[18:12] <farooghkz> i red this somewhere else but
[18:12] <alimj> Even not possible with modern graphic cards :: حتی با کارتهای گرافیک مدرن هم دیگه ممکن نیست
[18:12] <farooghkz> I thought that means u cant mine much with usual hw
[18:13] <alimj> Also some of the early Bitcoin developers believe that it is dying :: همچنین بعضی از طراحان اولیه بیت کوین باور دارند که داره از بین می‌رود
[18:14] <farooghkz> bitcoin is dying?
[18:14] <alimj> Yes. Bitcoin is dying :: بله داره میمیره
[18:15] <farooghkz> :(
[18:15] <alimj> http://www.wsj.com/articles/is-bitcoin-breaking-up-1453044493
[18:15] <farooghkz> but why?
[18:15] <alimj> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35343561
[18:16]  * farooghkz cant open links
[18:16] <alimj> The amount of bitcoins available for mining is halved each year :: میزان بیت کوین قابل استخراج شدن هر سال نصف می‌شود
[18:17] <alimj> Bitcoin protocol is designed this way :: پروتوکل بیت کوین اینجوری درست شده
[18:17] <farooghkz> yes but
[18:18] <alimj> When people mine for coins, they actually allow other people to make transactions :: وقتی مردم سعی می‌کنند بیت کوین استخراج کنند، در واقع به دیگران این امکان را می‌دهند که تراکنش داشته باشند
[18:19] <farooghkz> bitcoin is a type of money.for example value of our money doesnt change but it is not dying
[18:19] <alimj> The problem is it is getting harder to mine and eventually people will have to pay transaction fees :: مشکل اینجا است که بالاخره استخراج بسیار مشکل خواهد شد و مردم باید برای تراکنش کارمزد بدهند
[18:20] <alimj> farooghkz: http://www.ghatreh.com/news/nn29850574/%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%87-%D8%AF%D9%87%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%87-%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%AA-%DA%A9%D9%88%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%B4%DA%A9%D8%B3%D8%AA-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%85-%D9%BE%D9%88%D9%84%DB%8C-%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%B1-%D8%AF%D9%87%D8%AF
[18:20]  * farooghkz cant open links
[18:20] <alimj> Sorry
[18:21] <farooghkz> np
[18:21] <alimj> In a nutshell, bitcoin was not designed for today challenges :: خلاصه بگویم، بیت کوین برای مشکلات امروزی طراحی نشده بوده
[18:22] <alimj> If you want to earn money (as a young person), I would recommend you to learn web development :: اگر می‌خواهی پول در بیاوری (به عنوان یک جوان) توصیه می‌کنم طراحی وب یاد بگیری
[18:22] <alimj> I bet people in family would pay you to develop simple websites for them :: شرط می‌بندم که دوست و فامیل برای طراحی سایت‌های ساده پول می‌دهند
[18:23] <farooghkz> i know html and a little of css.maybe php in future.also i know python,c,cpp
[18:24] <alimj> farooghkz: Good
[18:24] <alimj> You are too young to be concerned about money :: برای اینکه نگران پول باشی خیلی جوان هستی
[18:24] <farooghkz> also a little of js.maybe more in future
[18:25] <alimj> Try to focus on your high school studies :: سعی کن بر روی درس‌های کنکور فوکوس کنی
[18:25] <farooghkz> im not concerned
[18:25] <alimj> Why? :: چرا؟
[18:25]  * mike90 suggest smart phone (andriod, ios) in addition of what alimj suggested ;D, here some n00b guys earn X*1000 $ (honestly !) per year with a simple damned app on google-play
[18:26] <farooghkz> im not concerned much about money
[18:27] <alimj> I though you are not concerned on further study :: فکر کردم که به ادامه تحصیل علاقه نداری :-D
[18:27] <farooghkz> but i like money
[18:27] <farooghkz> also that ali! :p
[18:27] <farooghkz> LOL
[18:28] <alimj> At your age, you should decide on what you like to do and who you want to be in the future :: الان باید به این که چه می‌خواهی بکنی و که می‌خواهی باشی فکر کنی
[18:28] <alimj> Do you want to be an Engineer? A Programmer? A businessman?
[18:28] <farooghkz> software developer
[18:29] <farooghkz> and data science
[18:29] <alimj> Only software developer?
[18:29] <alimj> Ok, data scientist
[18:30] <mike90> alimj: "only software developer" seems degrading
[18:30] <farooghkz> what is diffrent between programmer and software developer?
[18:30] <alimj> mike90: I have great expectations :-P
[18:31] <alimj> farooghkz: Almost the same
[18:31] <mike90> farooghkz: programmer focuses on syntax, developer on strategie
[18:31] <mike90> s
[18:31] <farooghkz> data science=‎مهندس نرم افزار‎?
[18:31] <alimj> data scientist != مهندس نرم افزار
[18:32] <farooghkz> i dont know maybe programmer too
[18:32] <mike90> data scientist knows how to process (usually store HUGE) data in efficient way
[18:32] <alimj> Whatever mike90 said
[18:33] <alimj> Ok. It is already 10:00PM here. I have to go now. I will be around. o/
[18:33] <farooghkz> sorry,i want be data scientist.not data science.
[18:33] <farooghkz> k
[18:33] <mike90> personally i myself am a little bored with being a scientist ;D
[18:33] <farooghkz> and sorry 4 my weak eng
[18:35] <mike90> faroogh we know u are not a kind of science, unless you discover a new way o thinking and based on that you can explain how universe works
[18:35] <mike90> then you can call it "faroogh science"
[18:36] <farooghkz> k.
[18:36] <mike90> then some silly people will go to unversities and learn your way (instead of find their way ;D), and will become a "faroogh scientist"
[18:36] <mike90> LOL
[18:36] <mike90> ;D
[18:37] <farooghkz> lol
[18:38] <farooghkz> yes people should find their way
[18:38]  * mike90 explained why people go to universities ;D, this is "mike's sociology science" ;D
[18:39] <farooghkz> university==callege?
[18:44] <mike90> actually these names mean a little different in different countries (with different education systems)
[18:45] <mike90> im not sure about yours ;D
[18:46] <farooghkz> np
[18:50] <farooghkz> where r u mike?what time is it?
[18:50] <farooghkz> its 22:21 4 me.sleep
[18:51]  * farooghkz is going 2 sleep
[18:51] <farooghkz> bye!