=== farooghkz is now known as farooghkz[away] === farooghkz[away] is now known as farooghkz [12:33] چطور ی کامپیوتر رو روشن کنم؟ [12:38] از راه دور [15:16] Good evening :: عصر همه به خیر [17:12] سلام [17:12] جواب سلام واجبه :) [17:16] hi, salam, shalom, hello, moin ... [17:16] gift 4 my friend :D [17:18] thanks 4 gift :) [17:18] how 2 turn on a computer? [17:19] also im not near that [17:20] i usually left my work computers turned on :D [17:20] actually didnt tried that :D [17:21] i want make a remote 4 a computer [17:21] works on internet [17:22] mike, still working on libc? [17:22] i know but turning it on remotely doesnt make sense for me (unless you have smart home devices/ remote-controlls/etc) [17:22] yes, im on it [17:23] farooghkz: currently im trying to extend POSIX standards on it [17:24] how 2 turn on that by internet? [17:24] farooghkz: It is easy to turn on a computer using WoL :: برای روشن کردن کامپیوتر از راه دور با وی او ال [17:24] * mike90 has no idea ;D [17:24] hi ali :) [17:25] Only possible through Ethernet :: فقط ممکن با کابل شبکه [17:25] whats wol? [17:25] Hi farooghkz [17:25] WoL = Wake on LAN :: یعنی روشن کردن با شبکه [17:25] explain [17:25] alimj: o/ [17:25] Hi mike90 :: سلام مایک [17:26] Some motherboards and laptops support WoL :: بعضی از مادربردها و لپتاپها پشتیبانی می‌کنند [17:26] alimj: shouldnt Network adapter support that feature (or all support it ?) [17:26] mike90: WiFi does not support it (as well as some old Ethernet NICs and Motherboards [17:27] umm, got it, tnx ;D [17:27] farooghkz: Usually it should be possible to find the option in BIOS setting :: معمولا در تنظیمات بایوس پیدا می‌شود [17:27] ali, just this way?another way? [17:27] It is the standard way :: راه استاندارد این است [17:28] There are other ways :: راه های دیگری هم هست [17:28] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN :: https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B4%D8%AF%D9%86_%D8%A7%D8%B2_%D8%B4%D8%A8%DA%A9%D9%87 [17:28] what r those other ways? [17:29] You can port-forward WoL packets from your router to the Internet [17:29] Please explain what you want to do, so I can help better :: لطفا دقیقا به من توظیح بده که چه کاری می‌خواهی بکنی تا من جواب بدهم [17:30] Are you want to make an IoT device? :: می‌خواهی از راه دور هر وسیله‌ای را خاموش روشن کنی؟ [17:30] i want turn on a computer by internet.i want make a software 4 remote controll [17:31] A PC or a Laptop? [17:31] both [17:31] Connected with Ethernet cable or WiFi? [17:32] both.i want make a public app [17:33] It won't be easy to do it with WiFi :: از طریق بیسیم ساده نیست [17:33] Somehow you should connect a relay to power button :: باید یکجوری یک رله به کلید روشن خاموش وصل شود [17:33] ok.i should search that.thanks 4 wol :) [17:34] Do this: [17:34] 1) Enable DDNS on your Router :: دی دی ان اس روتر را فعال کن [17:35] This should make it possible to find your router from the Internet easily :: با این کارت می‌توانی روتر را از سمت اینترنت به راحتی پیدا کنی [17:35] Using a fixed URL rather than IP :: با یک آدرس اینترنتی به جای آی پی [17:36] 2) Use a static IP for that PC/Laptop :: یک آی پی استاتیک به کامپیوتر بده [17:37] 3) Forward the WoL packets from that IP :: پکت‌های وی او ال را به آن آی پی فورارد کن [17:37] 4) Search for WoL app on your mobile phone (or tablet, ...) :: یک اپ برای وی او ال روی تبلت یا موبایل یا هر وسیله دیگر نصب کن [17:38] In a nutshell :: به صورت خلاصه [17:38] http://www.howtogeek.com/192642/how-to-remotely-turn-on-your-pc-over-the-internet/ [17:39] thanks but not easy [17:39] Yes. Not easy. This is a complex task [17:40] * mike90 found a LOLish simillar concept "Wake-on-ring" [17:40] farooghkz: Could you please tell us, why you want to do it? :: می‌تونی به ما بگی چرا این کار را می‌خواهی بکنی؟ من فضول هستم [17:40] call 911 and your computer turns on ;D [17:40] i want make an app for public use. [17:41] As a commercial product for sales? :: به عنوان یک محصول تجاری برای فروش؟ [17:41] idk [17:41] and then you'll say with yourself damn GPL [17:41] *sorry for dirty words [17:42] ;D [17:42] ali, why u r telling in 2 lang. ? [17:42] farooghkz: You could do that with Embedded solutions and a little bit of electronics :: می‌توانی با محصولات ارزان قیمت آی او تی و کمی الکترونیک انجامش بدی [17:43] farooghkz: For mike90 [17:43] * mike90 appreciates ;D [17:43] alimj ^ [17:43] to learn persian? [17:43] Yes [17:43] \o/ [17:43] But that would be much more complex that WoL :: ولی از وی‌اوال خیلی خیلی پیچیده‌تره [17:44] Using SBCs such as Raspberry Pi, C.H.I.P and similar devices :: با استفاده از کامپیوترهای تک بردی مثل رازبری، چیپ و مشابه [17:45] Or Arduino + (Ethernetshield, WiFi shield, GSM shield, etc.) :: یا آردوینو و شیلدهای مورد نظر [17:45] become expensive [17:46] But this would be very very complex :: ولی خیلی سخت خواهد بود [17:46] Not too much expensive [17:46] complex=‎پیجیده‎?right? [17:47] Yes. Complex == پیچیده [17:47] Raspberry Zero is $5 [17:47] i know [17:47] but [17:48] that app should be free. [17:49] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WakeOnLan [17:49] lets forget that.how many models of rpi r in iran?i think just 3. [17:49] The problem is that there are already many many free Apps for that :: مشکل اینجا است که همین الان خیلی اپ مجانی برای این کار هست [17:50] farooghkz: There are Pi (old one), Pi+, Pi 2 [17:50] i dont want continue that prj after making. [17:50] Pi Zero is currently not available (even in US the stocks are limited) [17:51] farooghkz: Is it for university? :: پروژه دانشگاهیه؟ [17:51] im 15 [17:51] You are so young :-D [17:51] yes [17:52] my app will be different [17:52] Do you want to make the App on Android, iOS, Linux, Windows or Webbased? [17:53] oh farooghkz, if you didnt tell that i'd thought you're much older ;D [17:53] u must controll ur computer with irc [17:54] For reference: http://alternativeto.net/software/wol-magic-packet-sender/ [17:54] farooghkz: Are you in Iran? [17:55] mike,why u thought that? [17:55] Because you want to do big projects [17:56] Usually people do this to control their home PC from work (or vice versa) :: معمولا مردم این را برای این ‌می‌خواهند که از محل کار کامپیوتر خانه را کنترل کنند (یا بلعکس) [17:57] my prj is very small and simple [17:59] * alimj Shrugs :: نمی‌دانم [18:00] Why did he leave without saying goodbye :-/ [18:01] Maybe because I talk too much [18:03] wb faroogh [18:03] i like 2 have a rpi [18:04] farooghkz: You can buy one for really cheap :: نسبتا قیمت‌ها پایین هستند [18:04] http://eshop.eca.ir/218-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AF-raspberry [18:05] * farooghkz doesnt have money [18:06] * farooghkz doesnt have any money [18:07] Even if you do not have enough money, you can learn a lot :: حتی اگر پول کافی نداشته باشی، می‌توانی خیلی یاد بگیری [18:07] It is possible to learn a lot with free software :: می‌توانی با نرم افزارهای رایگان چیزهای زیادی یاد بگیری [18:08] simulator? [18:09] Yes, simulators for example [18:09] or reading, watching videos [18:10] im waiting 4 money.its a good idea to mine bitcoin with that [18:10] It is a very bad idea to mine bitcoin [18:11] ali, good idea [18:11] ali, im in iran [18:11] Not possible with usual HW any more :: دیگه با سخت افزارهای معمولی ممکن نیست [18:11] ali, why? [18:11] It will require ASIC HW :: سخت افزارهای تخصصی می‌خواهد [18:12] i red this somewhere else but [18:12] Even not possible with modern graphic cards :: حتی با کارتهای گرافیک مدرن هم دیگه ممکن نیست [18:12] I thought that means u cant mine much with usual hw [18:13] Also some of the early Bitcoin developers believe that it is dying :: همچنین بعضی از طراحان اولیه بیت کوین باور دارند که داره از بین می‌رود [18:14] bitcoin is dying? [18:14] Yes. Bitcoin is dying :: بله داره میمیره [18:15] :( [18:15] http://www.wsj.com/articles/is-bitcoin-breaking-up-1453044493 [18:15] but why? [18:15] http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35343561 [18:16] * farooghkz cant open links [18:16] The amount of bitcoins available for mining is halved each year :: میزان بیت کوین قابل استخراج شدن هر سال نصف می‌شود [18:17] Bitcoin protocol is designed this way :: پروتوکل بیت کوین اینجوری درست شده [18:17] yes but [18:18] When people mine for coins, they actually allow other people to make transactions :: وقتی مردم سعی می‌کنند بیت کوین استخراج کنند، در واقع به دیگران این امکان را می‌دهند که تراکنش داشته باشند [18:19] bitcoin is a type of money.for example value of our money doesnt change but it is not dying [18:19] The problem is it is getting harder to mine and eventually people will have to pay transaction fees :: مشکل اینجا است که بالاخره استخراج بسیار مشکل خواهد شد و مردم باید برای تراکنش کارمزد بدهند [18:20] farooghkz: http://www.ghatreh.com/news/nn29850574/%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%87-%D8%AF%D9%87%D9%86%D8%AF%D9%87-%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%AA-%DA%A9%D9%88%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%B4%DA%A9%D8%B3%D8%AA-%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%86-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%85-%D9%BE%D9%88%D9%84%DB%8C-%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%B1-%D8%AF%D9%87%D8%AF [18:20] * farooghkz cant open links [18:20] Sorry [18:21] np [18:21] In a nutshell, bitcoin was not designed for today challenges :: خلاصه بگویم، بیت کوین برای مشکلات امروزی طراحی نشده بوده [18:22] If you want to earn money (as a young person), I would recommend you to learn web development :: اگر می‌خواهی پول در بیاوری (به عنوان یک جوان) توصیه می‌کنم طراحی وب یاد بگیری [18:22] I bet people in family would pay you to develop simple websites for them :: شرط می‌بندم که دوست و فامیل برای طراحی سایت‌های ساده پول می‌دهند [18:23] i know html and a little of css.maybe php in future.also i know python,c,cpp [18:24] farooghkz: Good [18:24] You are too young to be concerned about money :: برای اینکه نگران پول باشی خیلی جوان هستی [18:24] also a little of js.maybe more in future [18:25] Try to focus on your high school studies :: سعی کن بر روی درس‌های کنکور فوکوس کنی [18:25] im not concerned [18:25] Why? :: چرا؟ [18:25] * mike90 suggest smart phone (andriod, ios) in addition of what alimj suggested ;D, here some n00b guys earn X*1000 $ (honestly !) per year with a simple damned app on google-play [18:26] im not concerned much about money [18:27] I though you are not concerned on further study :: فکر کردم که به ادامه تحصیل علاقه نداری :-D [18:27] but i like money [18:27] also that ali! :p [18:27] LOL [18:28] At your age, you should decide on what you like to do and who you want to be in the future :: الان باید به این که چه می‌خواهی بکنی و که می‌خواهی باشی فکر کنی [18:28] Do you want to be an Engineer? A Programmer? A businessman? [18:28] software developer [18:29] and data science [18:29] Only software developer? [18:29] Ok, data scientist [18:30] alimj: "only software developer" seems degrading [18:30] what is diffrent between programmer and software developer? [18:30] mike90: I have great expectations :-P [18:31] farooghkz: Almost the same [18:31] farooghkz: programmer focuses on syntax, developer on strategie [18:31] s [18:31] data science=‎مهندس نرم افزار‎? [18:31] data scientist != مهندس نرم افزار [18:32] i dont know maybe programmer too [18:32] data scientist knows how to process (usually store HUGE) data in efficient way [18:32] Whatever mike90 said [18:33] Ok. It is already 10:00PM here. I have to go now. I will be around. o/ [18:33] sorry,i want be data scientist.not data science. [18:33] k [18:33] personally i myself am a little bored with being a scientist ;D [18:33] and sorry 4 my weak eng [18:35] faroogh we know u are not a kind of science, unless you discover a new way o thinking and based on that you can explain how universe works [18:35] then you can call it "faroogh science" [18:36] k. [18:36] then some silly people will go to unversities and learn your way (instead of find their way ;D), and will become a "faroogh scientist" [18:36] LOL [18:36] ;D [18:37] lol [18:38] yes people should find their way [18:38] * mike90 explained why people go to universities ;D, this is "mike's sociology science" ;D [18:39] university==callege? [18:44] actually these names mean a little different in different countries (with different education systems) [18:45] im not sure about yours ;D [18:46] np [18:50] where r u mike?what time is it? [18:50] its 22:21 4 me.sleep [18:51] * farooghkz is going 2 sleep [18:51] bye!