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micahg!dmb-ping15:10
ubottucyphermox, infinity, Laney, micahg, xnox, bdmurray, stgraber: DMB ping15:10
xnoxyo15:10
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caribouo/15:10
cyphermoxI already pinged infinity elsewhere, since he's not in this channel15:12
* micahg did as well15:14
cpaelzerfyi - stgraber is currently on a plane15:14
micahgthanks cpaelzer15:14
cyphermoxbdmurray:  you around?15:19
Laneymicahg: here, sorry15:31
ogra_cpaelzer, planes have wlan nowadays, that no excuse !15:34
ogra_*that's15:34
xnox!startmeeting Developer Membership Board15:43
ubottuxnox: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)15:43
xnox#startmeeting Developer Membership Board15:43
meetingologyMeeting started Mon Jan 18 15:43:47 2016 UTC.  The chair is xnox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:43
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xnoxaha15:43
xnoxsergiusens, caribou are you about?15:44
sergiusensxnox, I am15:44
cariboume too15:45
xnoxcool.15:45
xnoxi believe we have a qurum, so let's start.15:45
xnox#topic PPU uploader Sergio Schvezov for snappy and snapcraft15:46
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xnoxhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergioSchvezov15:46
xnoxsergiusens, please introduce yourself and briefly elaborate on your application =)15:46
sergiusensHi, I am part of the Ubuntu Core team at Canonical. I'm currently working on snappy Ubuntu Core, the snappy tool itself until recently (not directly now). Now I am leading snapcraft development and I would most of all like to be able to upload snapcraft.15:47
sergiusensI can elaborate if needed15:47
* ogra_ is here to cheer for sergiusens :)15:48
xnoxsergiusens, both are written in golang?15:48
ogra_*\o/*15:48
ogra_^ (pompoms)15:49
sergiusensxnox, snappy in golang, snapcraft python315:49
ogra_and while i totally trust sergios packaging skills, i really think the next step needs to be core-dev after this application :)15:50
xnoxsergiusens, do you have continous testing for both against the archive? for example do you test building with golang 1.6 and python 3.5?15:50
sergiusenssnapcraft, has 89% coverage of unit tests, 91% if you aggregate integration tests and running all our current examples. (the integration tests are also setup as autopackage tests, but I don't think we've ever uploaded that yet)15:50
xnoxsergiusens, sounds good. yeah autopackage tests are the best to keep out broken toolchains from migrating (and breaking) your builds.15:50
sergiusensxnox, for snapcraft, we do test  with 3.5 in mind15:50
sergiusensxnox, for snappy we don't do 1.6 yet to support the gcc-go supported arches15:51
sergiusensxnox, snappy takes it one step further, each new PR (github, yes) triggers a test on image full run15:52
sergiusenstest on image on one of the canonistack servers with ubuntu core15:52
sergiusenscanonistack == internal cloud (just in case)15:53
xnoxsergiusens, looking at the package names... is it really "snappy" the compresion algorithm package you are after to have upload rights for?15:53
xnoxor is it ubuntu-snappy and snapcraft?15:53
ogra_the latter :)15:54
sergiusensxnox, oh, it is ubuntu-snappy; you are indeed right15:54
ogra_we dont use snappy in snappy15:54
sergiusenssorry about that :-/15:54
* sergiusens fixed in the wiki15:54
xnoxsergiusens, looking at the upload history i see that mostly mvo uploads ubuntu-snappy, have you ever uploaded ubuntu-snappy?15:55
sergiusensxnox, no, I just ask him15:55
sergiusensxnox, but mvo spreads thin these days, I thought I'd help him out since I know a lot about the ubuntu-snappy internals (and its packaging as I've worked on it through MRs/PRs)15:56
xnoxbut i do see that mvo endorses you.15:56
xnox!dmb-ping15:57
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xnoxdo you have more questions for sergiusens ?15:57
cyphermoxnot me. I'm already familiar with sergiusens' work15:57
Laneyyes15:58
Laneylooking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-snappy we can see that ubuntu-snappy is stuck in xenial-proposed15:58
Laneycan you tell us how you'd find out what's going on there and maybe suggest how it might get unstuck?15:58
sergiusensLaney, I'd look at the excuses page15:59
sergiusenshttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html15:59
sergiusenswhat I see now after opening it, is that it seem the packaging has moved from 'any' to a subset of arches, so I'd need to talk to an archive admin16:00
xnoxsergiusens, how do you check the current status of the autopkgtests for a package? for example for snapcraft?16:01
sergiusensif that is really what is wanted (but I'd have to check with the uploader who did that) :-)16:01
Laneydoes https://launchpadlibrarian.net/234022487/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-s390x.ubuntu-snappy_1.7.2+20160113ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz tell you anything?16:01
sergiusensxnox, I know there is a page for that too, I just don't have the link handy, sorry16:01
xnoxsergiusens, on the excuses page above, do a Ctrl-F search for "autopkgtest for snapcraft" there are links to logs.16:02
xnoxsergiusens, and it looks like it has always failed http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/s/snapcraft/16:02
sergiusensxnox, yeah, that's why I said, the autopackage tests I worked on haven't been uploaded yet :-) This predates me16:03
xnoxsergiusens, looking at ubuntu-snappy history for debian/ folder, last commit from you was in July 2015. Do you really need upload rights for ubuntu-snappy?16:04
ogra_to take load of mvo, yes16:04
sergiusensxnox, no I don't need them, I just really want snapcraft ones, ubuntu-snappy is a nice to have and to help my team mates16:04
* Laney thinks it's okay for packaging to be stable16:06
micahg+1 :)16:06
xnoxsergiusens, how do you choose a source packaging format for a package? and which one do you default to?16:07
sergiusensxnox, fwiw, September 2015 was my focus switch from ubuntu-snappy to snapcraft16:07
sergiusensxnox, I prefer to use non native (even though these packages say the contrary)16:08
xnoxok.16:08
sergiusensxnox, rule of thumb, native == ubuntu tools (or debian)16:09
sergiusensubuntu exclusive16:09
xnox#vote grant sergiusens PPU rights for ubuntu-snappy, snapcraft16:10
meetingologyPlease vote on: grant sergiusens PPU rights for ubuntu-snappy, snapcraft16:10
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)16:10
Laney+116:10
meetingology+1 received from Laney16:10
Laneycrickets16:11
xnox#voters16:11
meetingologyCurrent voters:16:11
* xnox sigh16:11
cyphermox+116:11
meetingology+1 received from cyphermox16:11
xnox+116:12
meetingology+1 received from xnox16:12
micahg+116:12
meetingology+1 received from micahg16:12
xnoxthat's it right?16:12
xnox#endvote16:12
meetingologyVoting ended on: grant sergiusens PPU rights for ubuntu-snappy, snapcraft16:12
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:016:12
meetingologyMotion carried16:12
ogra_\o/16:12
sergiusensyay, thanks16:12
xnox#voters Laney cyphermox xnox micahg16:12
meetingologyCurrent voters: Laney cyphermox micahg xnox16:12
cariboucongratulations sergiusens16:12
sergiusenscaribou, thanks16:12
xnox#topic Core Dev Application - caribou16:13
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xnox#url https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LouisBouchard/Core%20Dev%20Application16:13
xnoxcaribou, hello =) please introduce yourself16:13
caribouHello, my name is Louis Bouchard,16:13
cariboumy daily work revolves around fixing ubuntu bugs & doing SRU for the stable  releases16:14
caribouI also have upload rights for sosreport and makedumpfile since 09/14 if I remember right16:14
caribousince most of my work revolves around Main packages, I have decided to ask for core dev rights16:14
caribouI'm also trying to do more merges16:15
caribouand being more involved in the development process16:15
cariboufinally, I do some development work around kdump-tools, makedumpfile & sosreport16:15
Laneyif you get approved, will you help out with patch piloting? :)16:16
caribouI would like to.16:16
caribouI have a lot of colleagues who rely on sponsorship so I know the value of being available for review & upload16:16
xnoxcaribou, have you had SRUs that went south after publication? and what have you done to minimize damage?16:17
caribouxnox: luckily, none that I can remember16:17
caribouxnox: my first reaction would be to revert the change that causes failure if it can be easily identifie16:18
cariboud16:18
xnoxcaribou, are you aware of the crash report monitoring?16:18
caribouyes, very recently pitti pointed me to an issue with rsyslog that caused crashes16:19
caribouI also know that a lot of work on it is done by bdmurray especially on the retracers16:19
xnoxright.16:19
caribouI've used apport-retrace myself a few times16:19
xnoxcaribou, and bdmurray can also set phasing on the updates, that is after update is published in -proposed it can be reset to 0% and thus prevent any new machines automatically installing or offering the update.16:20
caribouI also had a lot of exposure to kernel crash dumps but those are not treated as such16:20
caribouxnox: yes, I recently discovered about phased updates; a concept I had heard of from Google16:21
xnoxcaribou, yeah, we had it since 14.04 or so (not on release day, but later during 14.10/15.04 cycles phased updates for 14.04 were enabled)16:21
xnox!dmb-ping16:21
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xnoxany more questions for caribou ?16:22
Laneynope!16:22
cyphermoxall good16:23
xnoxmicahg, ?16:24
micahgI'm good16:24
xnox#vote grant caribou ubuntu core dev rights16:25
meetingologyPlease vote on: grant caribou ubuntu core dev rights16:25
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)16:25
xnox+116:25
meetingology+1 received from xnox16:25
Laney+116:25
meetingology+1 received from Laney16:25
Laneymicahg: cyphermox16:26
cyphermox+116:26
meetingology+1 received from cyphermox16:26
micahg+116:26
meetingology+1 received from micahg16:26
Laney|O|16:26
cyphermoxsorry, I was in ppc64el lalaland16:26
Laneywere you fixing udisks2?16:27
Laneyyes you were16:27
Laneyyou great human16:27
* xnox ponders what's the point of setting #voters if it doesn't end the vote16:27
xnox#endvote16:27
meetingologyVoting ended on: grant caribou ubuntu core dev rights16:27
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:016:27
meetingologyMotion carried16:27
cyphermoxLaney: udisks2?16:27
xnoxcaribou, congrats =)16:27
caribouxnox: Laney: cyphermox: micahg: thank you very much !16:27
Laneyhttp://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/udisks2/xenial/ppc64el/16:27
cyphermoxcaribou: congrats16:27
Laneydholbach: get this fine fellow on the patch pilot list!16:27
caribouhappy to continue to be helpful to the community16:27
maprerixnox: it restricts the ability to vote, otherwise everybody on the channel can cast a vote16:28
xnoxmapreri, i see, thanks.16:28
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xnox#topic next chair16:28
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xnoxwho should be the next chair? is it Laney or somebody else?16:28
Laneyinfinity16:28
cyphermoxyup16:29
Laneysee the list on the agenda16:29
xnox#action infinity to chair the next DMB meeting16:29
meetingologyACTION: infinity to chair the next DMB meeting16:29
Laneytake xnox and move to the end16:29
Laneywhen you are updating it16:29
micahgwe need to kick off the nomination process for DMB soon16:29
Laneyyes16:29
xnox#topic any other bussiness16:29
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micahgcurrent member terms expire 3/3 I think, so Feb 29 is the last meeting16:30
xnoxdo we really need to kick of DMB? i thought it's not soon.16:30
Laney2016-03-1016:30
micahgsorry, 23/916:30
micahg3/916:30
xnoxso we have 3 people expiring right? bdmurray micahg and xnox ?16:31
xnoxand infinity is on the other cycle, or on this cycle?16:31
Laney2016-02-29 is the last meeting before16:31
dholbachLaney: thanks - will do16:32
xnoxdholbach, oh you want to run our election? thank you =)16:32
dholbachwhat?16:32
Laneyso we should start the 2 week vote on 2016-02-1416:32
dholbachsorry, I've only half been paying attention... I was referring to adding caribou to the pilots :)16:32
xnoxdholbach, ah, haha, ok =)16:33
Laneytherefore nominations starting on 2016-01-3116:33
cariboudholbach: Laney: I'll need some help if you want to get me going16:33
Laneyalthough if it's anything like last time we'll have trouble finding people16:33
Laneyso should maybe give it an extra week16:33
xnoxLaney, sounds good. and i should draft a shout-out before that.16:33
dholbachcaribou: sure16:33
Laney2016-01-2416:33
Laneyxnox: I'm thinking about retiring then too16:34
Laneywill decde16:34
Laney+i16:34
xnoxLaney, ahead of your current term?16:34
Laneyyeah16:34
xnoxLaney, i am legitimately expiring ;-)16:34
xnoxLaney, last year you told me i should serve till the end of term, and not expire ;-)16:35
xnoxLaney, you should stay for one more year.... =)16:35
* Laney has been on DMB since 2011-02-2216:35
Laneywe'll see, maybe nobody wants to nominate themselves anyway16:35
xnoxfair enough.16:35
xnoxanything else?16:35
Laneywait16:36
Laneywill you start it with 3 + 2 weeks?16:36
Laneyi.e. on sunday?16:36
Laneyassuming you were volunteering to be returning officer16:36
xnoxLaney, i think i am stuck with returning officer role. I was going to start it on monday the 25th, rather than sunday.16:37
xnoxLaney, do we always end things on Sunday?16:37
* xnox doesn't like working on sunday16:37
Laneyusually advertise it as such anyway16:37
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Laneyat least before the meeting on the monday16:37
Laneyit's more important for the actual vote16:37
Laneynominations not so much16:37
xnoxack.16:37
xnoxi see, true.16:37
Laneyso a week today?16:38
xnoxyeap16:38
Laneyok16:38
xnox#endmeeting16:38
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meetingologyMeeting ended Mon Jan 18 16:38:20 2016 UTC.16:38
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-01-18-15.43.moin.txt16:38
Laney thanks!16:40
LaneySPACE THANKS16:40
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