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elimisteveAnyone else have issues setting up the Ubuntu Scope dev environment on 14.04?00:59
elimisteveError I got: http://pastebin.com/f5fYSUfr00:59
elimisteveAnd yes I've run 'apt-get update'01:00
elimistevefor dev in Go specifically01:01
elimistevelooks like python3-scopes-harness hasn't been backported to 14.04: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=trusty-backports&keywords=python3-scope-harness01:04
elimisteveI've asked here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/722308/cant-install-needed-python3-scope-harness-for-ubuntu-scopes-dev-in-go01:10
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lotuspsychjeanyone knows howto get sound notifications on new mail on dekko?06:36
lotuspsychjegmail app notifies sometimes, but not always on new mails06:36
SketchbagCan I get Ubuntu touch on my s5 and is it the same as the discontinued ubuntu phone project?06:59
lotuspsychjeSketchbag: wich brand is a s5?07:01
lotuspsychje!devices | Sketchbag07:02
ubot5Sketchbag: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices07:02
SketchbagThank you07:03
Sketchbags5 is a samsung galaxy07:07
lotuspsychjeSketchbag: samsung wont be able to run touch atm07:10
SketchbagAny particular reason?07:10
lotuspsychjeSketchbag: tested devices are nexus07:11
SketchbagThere is a video of an S4 being used as a promotional tool in Feb 201507:11
lotuspsychjeSketchbag: your free to try porting other devices07:11
lotuspsychjeSketchbag: maybe it will in the future07:12
lotuspsychjeSketchbag: or you can search the XDA forums for existing projects maybe07:12
SketchbagIs there a base image I can build from?07:12
lotuspsychjeSketchbag: check the porting guide from topic mate07:12
SketchbagThank you.07:13
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lpotterohh how exciting. I get to see how ubuntu touch is on a tablet07:36
anpokhm?07:37
lpotterhmmm is right. rotation doesn't seem to work07:43
SketchbagBlah..Everything on xda is discontinued.07:46
SketchbagWhy not just build a new kernel for phones. Screw Android.07:49
SketchbagI dont care about dual boot. Just emulate the required android processes and run a native linux kernel.07:52
Sketchbagcompletely rework the phone experience.07:54
Sketchbagmaybe Im just a dreamer.07:54
lpotterbecause then drivers are an issue07:55
lpottereveryone makes android drivers07:55
Sketchbagwrap them07:56
lpotterpatches welcome :)07:56
Sketchbaglol07:56
SketchbagGofundme?07:57
SketchbagLinux makes its big break as a breakout mobile phone manufacturer07:58
Sketchbag*dreams*07:58
lpotterI do know of other projects that were more traditional linux on top of only and android kernel07:58
SketchbagI just want a way out of this duopoly. Android and Apple. There are extreme barriers of entry into the market and it shouldnt be that way.08:00
SketchbagNew ideas shouldnt barred.08:02
SketchbagSeriously sick of everything on my phone either trying to steal my information or suck money out of my wallet. I guess thats just life now though. No one puts up a fight anymore.08:09
flux__Sketchbag, android or ios?08:11
Sketchbagandroid08:11
flux__yeah :/ android and windows ecosystem are messed up08:12
SketchbagI agree.08:12
SketchbagI have windows 10 and I have a feeling they know more about me than I do. Theres a reason its free.08:12
flux__right :> nothing is free08:13
SketchbagI have linux on a seperate drive for when I want some private time lol08:13
flux__only free software08:13
flux__))08:13
flux__i'm windows free for 4 years now08:14
SketchbagNice.08:14
SketchbagI like windows for "Arrgh" but that seems to be coming to an end.08:15
SketchbagI have had a linux partition for about 8 years now.08:16
SketchbagI built a kernel in college linux and gentoo way back in the day08:16
Sketchbagback when you used the keyboard more than the mouse08:16
flux__i remember those days08:21
SketchbagI run mint now. Only because of unity.08:21
* Sketchbag throws up a little08:22
flux__:)08:22
SketchbagI actually really loved Gnome 3.08:23
SketchbagIt thought it was pretty slick looking but from a productive standpoint it wasnt practical unless you had multiple monitors.08:24
SketchbagAnyways Im off topic. Im going to head to bed.08:25
MCMiicIs there any alternative keyboard for Ubuntu touch? Does the system allow to easily make one?08:29
popeyThat sounds like a question for Elleo08:31
MCMiicHow can I browse installed applications?08:51
MCMiicThe only way I found is by clicking on the storage stat in the settings but I can’t access their settings to remove them.08:51
ogra_the application scope shows them all08:57
ogra_and a long press on an icon gets you to the uninstall option08:58
MCMiicogra_: No, it does not show installed scopes08:58
anpokMCMiic: application scope is what you see when you unveil the launcher by swiping from the left edge, and touching the ubuntu logo in the lower left corner..08:59
MCMiicanpok: I know09:00
anpokMCMiic: if apps are not shown there something is wrong..09:03
jibelMCMiic, you can see which scopes are installed from the 'manage scope' panel by doing a bottom edge swipe. But then, I agree, there is no way to uninstall them directly from this screen.09:03
ogra_right, scopes are a bit behind in that regard :)09:03
MCMiicjibel: exactly09:04
jibelIt's a valid point. I don't know if there is a bug filed for this already.09:04
MCMiicAlso, if I go into the storage usage screen, I still see storage used by applications I already uninstalled. For instance gmail and twitter. Is this an error or is there left over from these applications? Any way I can delete this? (Maybe directly from the file manager?)09:05
ogra_i think we dont currently delete user data of apps when you uninstall them09:06
ogra_check in /home/phablet/.cache and /home/phablet/.local/share09:07
MCMiicogra_: I would have expected to be able to delete them by long press in the storage screen. Ok, thanks for the info on there locations, I’m gonna try this.09:07
ogra_feel free to file a wishlist bug as suggestion for the design team09:07
MCMiicok09:08
MCMiicogra_: In the store, there is no filter possibility to show only installed or only free software?09:11
ogra_nope, not that i know of09:13
jibelMCMiic, I filed bug 153523709:13
ubot5bug 1535237 in Canonical System Image "No way to list which scopes are installed then view the details or uninstall them" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153523709:13
V99OTA 9 freeze the last friday, i cant test it now?09:13
V99can*09:13
ogra_(well, "only installed" for apps means the apps scope .... )09:13
MCMiicjibel: Thanks a lot09:14
jibelyw09:14
MCMiicogra_: there is no search in the apps scope, and no scopes, using a filter in the store would be a good way to see everything installed and search in it09:15
ogra_there is a search option at the top09:15
MCMiicogra_: and if there was other filter possibility like «freeness» it would allow to see what is installed and unfree for instance09:15
MCMiicogra_: Ok, my bad09:15
ogra_the result will either show the installed app or offer you the store09:15
mickburkesnrmorning all, does anyone here use ubuntu phone as their daily phone09:35
V99me09:35
mickburkesnrwhats the battery life like on your phone?09:37
V992-3 days09:38
V99better than android09:38
mickburkesnrinteresting, are you an average user of the phone? do you get emails and use it for internet browsing?09:39
mickburkesnralso what phone do you have running it?09:39
V99I have BQ E5 phone and yes, i get emails and browsing09:40
mickburkesnrbrilliant, thats the phone i was looking at buying09:40
mickburkesnris the battery removeable?09:40
V99the browser could be better09:40
ogra_V99, file bugs ;)09:41
V99ogra_: ?09:43
ogra_about the issues you have with the browser09:43
JamesTaitGood morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day! 😃09:43
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mickburkesnrwhat issues are there with the browser?09:44
V99i dont have problem with the browser ogra_, i only says that could be better, more options, downloads manager...but i read that with the OTA9 updates the browser09:45
V99so i will wait09:45
V99:D09:45
ogra_hmm, it uses the system wide download manager for me09:46
mickburkesnris there just one browser for the phone then?09:46
V99i want to test today OTA9, but seems that its imposible09:46
mickburkesnror is there a version of Firefox for it?09:46
ogra_there is a "liri browser" package in the store i think09:46
ogra_mickburkesnr, not yet09:46
V99i can install irssi on my phone?09:47
ogra_there is work going on for the convergence feature that will also allow firefox to run ... but not yet09:47
ogra_it will come though ... the system gets updated every 6 weeks09:47
ogra_(with the latest development)09:48
mickburkesnrok, what engine does liri use? webkit?09:48
ogra_no idea09:48
ogra_seems to be ported from an android package09:48
ogra_(the UI doesnt really fit in ... )09:49
mickburkesnri've just looked on Google and it's webkit based09:49
DanChapmanafaik liri uses Oxide on Ubuntu and use QtWebEngine on other platforms09:50
mickburkesnri've looked at a reddit thread about it, seems that is uses QtWebkit but there's no mention of Oxide?09:51
ogra_makes sense09:51
mickburkesnrah no09:51
ogra_(else the maintainer would also have to maintain a webkit branch )09:51
mickburkesnri've come across this on GitHub: https://github.com/liri-project/liri-browser/blob/master/src/qml/ubuntu/UbuntuApplication.qml09:51
ogra_(i mean webkit itself)09:51
mickburkesnruses Oxide, never even heard of this engine.09:51
ogra_it is ubuntu own engine ... based on googles/chroimums blink09:52
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mickburkesnrhmm, i need to play with it I think to see how it renders web pages. I'd need it to test sites I develop09:53
ogra_the renderer is the same as chromium ... the javascript engine is not V8 though09:54
mickburkesnrit's going to be interesting to see what happens with the browser. but generally speaking now, your experience with the phone/OS has been positive?09:56
ogra_yes, but then my app demands are not very high ...09:56
mickburkesnrneither are mine really. i just want a phone with good battery life, that's good to send an email from and will actually make calls. I don't use the phone for games.09:57
ogra_(i dont use whatsapp, have no facebook or twitter accounts and prefer to read my mail wiht a good old IMAP client)09:58
ogra_oh, and if i play games i actually prefer html5 online games :)09:58
mickburkesnrand the phone handles HTML5 online games alright then? :)09:59
ogra_the only feature i miss in the beroser is a fullscreen option in the menu :)09:59
ogra_most of them, yeah09:59
V99mickburkesnr: of course that its positive09:59
V99my previous phone was Firefox OS09:59
V99and seems that was a dead platform10:00
V99the ubuntu touch systems is alive10:00
V99and constants updates10:00
mickburkesnrwell it is, Mozilla has abandoned it as a mobile platform.10:00
V99the negative points are the ubuntu store apps quality10:00
mickburkesnrthink they're keeping it going for TV's etc, but the whole project was stupid in my opinion. but i'm glad you mentioned the ubuntu updates, how frequent are they?10:01
ogra_every 6 weeks10:01
ogra_or if you are brave and run the rc-proposed developer channel you get them every weekday10:01
mickburkesnrthat's really good10:02
V99ogra_: you use rc-proposed?10:02
ogra_yep10:02
V99on your mobile?10:02
V99:O10:02
flux__me 2 i'm on rc-proposed10:02
raph_aelV99: coming from firefoxOs too, I don't have very good memories of app quality10:02
ogra_but i know my ways around if something goes wrong ;)10:02
mickburkesnri'm guessing running your phone on rc-proposed is akin to eating half cooked chicken? :P10:03
ogra_well, the QA for each feature landing is pretty intense so regressions sneak in rarely10:03
ogra_but they happen10:03
V99ogra_: i want to u se rc-proposed system, what i have to do?10:04
ogra_take a look at the system-image-cli command ... specifically at the --switch option10:05
ogra_it lets you switch channels10:05
ogra_alternatively you can use ubuntu-device-flash from a PC and just flash with the rc-proposed channel10:06
V99thanks :D10:06
mickburkesnrthanks for answering my questions about the ubuntu phone, just needed to ask these questions before i decided on buying one10:08
MCMiicmickburkesnr: As far as I know there is no carddav support (at least not through GUI, it’s possible to make it work with command line, I’m gonna try this soon)10:18
MCMiicmickburkesnr: and on E4.5 battery is not removable :-/ Don’t know about other models.10:18
ogra_the phone uses evolution-data-server and ships syncevolution10:19
MCMiicyes, it only lacks GUI if I understood correctly10:19
ogra_so anything you can do with this is possible (but only google sync is there in the UI currently)10:19
MCMiicI need owncloud/carddav support, I’m gonna try the CLI configuration through syncevolution tomorrow10:20
MCMiic(I don’t need calendar badly enough to try to configure it by CLI, but contacts are pretty important)10:20
MCMiicogra_: Are there GUI for syncevolution on other platforms which could be ported to ubuntu phone?10:21
mickburkesnrwell at the moment my business emails are done through Office 365, but i'm going to move these emails to a email account I host myself via IMAP or POP3. so this shouldn't be too much of an issue really should it?10:21
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mickburkesnris there no calendar on the ubuntu phone???10:21
ogra_mickburkesnr, apart from having to maintain your own server ? no :)10:21
MCMiicmickburkesnr: The IMAP client Dekko works fine from what I’ve tried10:22
ogra_dekko is a pretty awesome mail client10:22
ogra_(lacking encryption features yet though, in case you rely on that)10:22
MCMiicmickburkesnr: There are calendar apps but none with caldav sync, only google sync afaik10:22
MCMiicogra_: True, I did not notice this… though I’m always wondering if having my GPG private key on my phone would be a good idea anyway…10:23
mickburkesnrah ok that's alright. i maintain a mail server for clients so i'm not too bothered in that respect. just a hassle every month to check whether they're due a renewal invoice :)10:23
ogra_MCMiic, exactly :)10:23
MCMiicogra_: Does ubuntu phone supports any kind of storage encryption?10:24
ogra_not yet (i mean ... you can surely manually encrypt subdirs in /home/phablet/ but nothing integrated yet)10:27
DanChapmanmickburkesnr, for what it's worth Dekko can work with offce365 via their pretty awful imap implementation. But Dekko works significantly better with decent IMAP servers. i.e dovecot/cyrus/courier etc10:28
robin-heroDanChapman, Any news about a new release of Dekko? :)10:29
DanChapmanrobin-hero, when it's ready :-)10:29
* ogra_ saw pretty pictures :)10:29
robin-heroDanChapman, hehe :D I'm really looking forward for a new release, there are a lot of awesome pictures about the new Dekko :D10:30
mickburkesnrthat'll suit me when I move my emails to my mail server then as it uses a decent IMAP Server :)10:30
DanChapmanrobin-hero, seriously though. Not long now. I created a proposed image last week. Have a list of things to tidy up and will see how the next image looks once that's done :-)10:31
robin-heroDanChapman, Cool, thanks :)10:31
elimisteveSpeaking of Dekko crypto... are there plans to add PGP/GPG support?10:37
* ogra_ guesses once the more important bits are done10:39
DanChapmanYeah it's on the roadmap. It's just not top of my list atm.... although patches would always be welcomed :-)10:40
elimisteveDekko is written in C++?10:59
DanChapmanelimisteve, yes C++11:00
elimisteveI'm a Go/Python/JS guy. Anything that can move GPG support along other than C++ patches?11:01
elimisteveThink you'll add it in the next year?11:01
* ogra_ hopes rather this year :)11:05
V99DanChapman: ogra_ someone works for canonical? or you're freelance?11:10
DanChapmanelimisteve, it would need to be c++. For anything else it would require a plugin api for parsing mime structures which atm I don't even know how that would look. and maybe more hassle than it's worth.11:17
DanChapmanBut yeah it will most likely be done this year :-)11:18
DanChapmanV99 I'm just a community developer (although a job at canonical one day would be nice :-) )11:22
ogra_V99, i work for canonical11:44
ogra_(but not on the phone anymore)11:45
tathhu<311:46
davmor2I work for canonical I break everything11:47
V99wow, and how is work for canonical?11:49
davmor2Wonderful, Chaotic, Busy, Exhilarating11:50
davmor2ogra_: ^ would you agree?11:51
ogra_yeah11:51
ogra_it also puts a lot of fat onto your hips11:52
tathhuoivoi11:54
k1l_because you work at home and have a short distance to the kitchen? :)11:55
davmor2ogra_: no time to exercise that is the issue and if anyone says walking desk I will do my best Liam Neeson in taken impression :)11:56
ogra_heh11:56
ogra_k1l_, yeah11:56
victor_bqHi John!12:04
mickburkesnrLinus Torvalds uses a walking desk :)12:06
V99ogra_: and how cordionates to works?12:09
ogra_?12:09
* ogra_ cant parse that12:09
V99with other employers12:09
V99via skype?12:10
ogra_IRC, hangouts12:10
ogra_... mail12:10
davmor2V99: you mean with other Employees,  then what ogra_ said12:10
V99interesting12:14
V99i wish some day i will works in canonical12:14
elimisteveDanChapman: hey do you happen to know roughly how many people work on Ubuntu Phone full-time?12:15
DanChapmanelimisteve, no idea.12:16
elimistevekk12:17
V99ubuntu touch will run as well in E4.5 that E5?12:31
OerHeksV99, yes12:37
OerHekssee supported devices12:37
elimistevehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices12:47
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robin-heroogra_, Could I ask what is your new role at Canonical? :)13:22
ogra_robin-hero, i work on snappy13:23
robin-herothanks, that sounds interesting :)13:24
davmor2robin-hero: I'll tell you, ogra_ sits in a corner propping up a bar and calls it hard work, then he awakes from his illusion and works hard on making snappy as awesome as it can be14:23
ogra_you make it sound like i'm the lemmy kilmister of coding :P14:24
robin-hero:D14:24
davmor2ogra_: That's Rock and Roll baby \m/14:26
mcmicI plugged an SD into my ubuntu phone, it immediatly started to analyse it for content. so it refuses to unmount it or format it. I wanted to format it first. Any idea how long I have to wait before I can unmount it? Is there any way to see the progress and maybe to stop the process?15:24
BlackJohnnyhello15:48
BlackJohnnydoes anyone know how to get access to the Pictures folder in order to save camera pictures? I read all about app confinement but the picture_files policy seems reserved for system apps15:49
BlackJohnnythank you15:49
davmor2BlackJohnny: via mtp, or do you mean in an app you are writing.  If it is the latter then your image would be saved to the folder your app has access too not the system folders15:55
lotuspsychjeanyone knows why gmail app incomming emails sounds not always alert? or dekko no sound at all?16:06
mhall119mariogrip: I forgot to mention, I spoke to slangasek about the problem of device name aliases, and he suggested that we go with a solution where the alias data is hosted on the server in something like a JSON file, and then we patch ubuntu-device-flash to look for that and use it if found18:07
mhall119that way you can host your own alias data on ubuports18:07
mariogripmhall119: That's sounds good.18:10
BionicEyeHey, we are building a bionic eye and want our devices that interface with it to be run on ubuntu.18:30
BionicEyeDoes anyone know about tablets that are available to do this?18:30
BionicEyeOr who to talk to about getting some made?18:31
BionicEyeBionic Eye software powered by ubuntu would be pretty cool to market.18:32
BionicEyewell, if anyone does know anything about how to make this happen please hit me up at bmiller@secondsight.com18:33
mcphailBionicEye: There aren't any consumer tablets yet. The 2013 Nexus 7 is targeted for development. The best first step might be a message to the mailing list18:34
mimecargood evening18:55
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=== sil2100 changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Install: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bug filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | Changelog: http://bit.ly/1ljube1 | http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html | http://www.meizu.com/products/ubuntu.html | OTA-9 candidate preparation and testing in progress!
BOHverkill\o/20:15
sil2100Still some time to go!20:16
mimecarone week :p20:17
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mariogripmhall119: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mariogrip/goget-ubuntu-touch/device-alias/revision/22123:02
mhall119mariogrip: is that all it takes? is deviceAlias a file on the server, or is it a new section in the server's data?23:28
mariogripmhall119: see under ubuntu-touch/stable http://system-image.ubports.com/channels.json there is a "deviceAlias" obj23:29
mariogripI'm currently implementing it on the server side23:30
mhall119ah, so that would still require changes to whatever generates those files (assuming they're not manually edited)23:30
mariogripmhall119: Jup, im soon done with the server part23:31
mhall119mariogrip: my Go knowledge is lacking, if there is no deviceAlias obj, it just continues on as normal?23:31
mariogripjup23:32

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