[00:59] <elimisteve> Anyone else have issues setting up the Ubuntu Scope dev environment on 14.04?
[00:59] <elimisteve> Error I got: http://pastebin.com/f5fYSUfr
[01:00] <elimisteve> And yes I've run 'apt-get update'
[01:01] <elimisteve> for dev in Go specifically
[01:04] <elimisteve> looks like python3-scopes-harness hasn't been backported to 14.04: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=trusty-backports&keywords=python3-scope-harness
[01:10] <elimisteve> I've asked here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/722308/cant-install-needed-python3-scope-harness-for-ubuntu-scopes-dev-in-go
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows howto get sound notifications on new mail on dekko?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> gmail app notifies sometimes, but not always on new mails
[06:59] <Sketchbag> Can I get Ubuntu touch on my s5 and is it the same as the discontinued ubuntu phone project?
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> Sketchbag: wich brand is a s5?
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> !devices | Sketchbag
[07:03] <Sketchbag> Thank you
[07:07] <Sketchbag> s5 is a samsung galaxy
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> Sketchbag: samsung wont be able to run touch atm
[07:10] <Sketchbag> Any particular reason?
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> Sketchbag: tested devices are nexus
[07:11] <Sketchbag> There is a video of an S4 being used as a promotional tool in Feb 2015
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> Sketchbag: your free to try porting other devices
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> Sketchbag: maybe it will in the future
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> Sketchbag: or you can search the XDA forums for existing projects maybe
[07:12] <Sketchbag> Is there a base image I can build from?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> Sketchbag: check the porting guide from topic mate
[07:13] <Sketchbag> Thank you.
[07:36] <lpotter> ohh how exciting. I get to see how ubuntu touch is on a tablet
[07:37] <anpok> hm?
[07:43] <lpotter> hmmm is right. rotation doesn't seem to work
[07:46] <Sketchbag> Blah..Everything on xda is discontinued.
[07:49] <Sketchbag> Why not just build a new kernel for phones. Screw Android.
[07:52] <Sketchbag> I dont care about dual boot. Just emulate the required android processes and run a native linux kernel.
[07:54] <Sketchbag> completely rework the phone experience.
[07:54] <Sketchbag> maybe Im just a dreamer.
[07:55] <lpotter> because then drivers are an issue
[07:55] <lpotter> everyone makes android drivers
[07:56] <Sketchbag> wrap them
[07:56] <lpotter> patches welcome :)
[07:56] <Sketchbag> lol
[07:57] <Sketchbag> Gofundme?
[07:58] <Sketchbag> Linux makes its big break as a breakout mobile phone manufacturer
[07:58] <Sketchbag> *dreams*
[07:58] <lpotter> I do know of other projects that were more traditional linux on top of only and android kernel
[08:00] <Sketchbag> I just want a way out of this duopoly. Android and Apple. There are extreme barriers of entry into the market and it shouldnt be that way.
[08:02] <Sketchbag> New ideas shouldnt barred.
[08:09] <Sketchbag> Seriously sick of everything on my phone either trying to steal my information or suck money out of my wallet. I guess thats just life now though. No one puts up a fight anymore.
[08:11] <flux__> Sketchbag, android or ios?
[08:11] <Sketchbag> android
[08:12] <flux__> yeah :/ android and windows ecosystem are messed up
[08:12] <Sketchbag> I agree.
[08:12] <Sketchbag> I have windows 10 and I have a feeling they know more about me than I do. Theres a reason its free.
[08:13] <flux__> right :> nothing is free
[08:13] <Sketchbag> I have linux on a seperate drive for when I want some private time lol
[08:13] <flux__> only free software
[08:13] <flux__> ))
[08:14] <flux__> i'm windows free for 4 years now
[08:14] <Sketchbag> Nice.
[08:15] <Sketchbag> I like windows for "Arrgh" but that seems to be coming to an end.
[08:16] <Sketchbag> I have had a linux partition for about 8 years now.
[08:16] <Sketchbag> I built a kernel in college linux and gentoo way back in the day
[08:16] <Sketchbag> back when you used the keyboard more than the mouse
[08:21] <flux__> i remember those days
[08:21] <Sketchbag> I run mint now. Only because of unity.
[08:22]  * Sketchbag throws up a little
[08:22] <flux__> :)
[08:23] <Sketchbag> I actually really loved Gnome 3.
[08:24] <Sketchbag> It thought it was pretty slick looking but from a productive standpoint it wasnt practical unless you had multiple monitors.
[08:25] <Sketchbag> Anyways Im off topic. Im going to head to bed.
[08:29] <MCMiic> Is there any alternative keyboard for Ubuntu touch? Does the system allow to easily make one?
[08:31] <popey> That sounds like a question for Elleo
[08:51] <MCMiic> How can I browse installed applications?
[08:51] <MCMiic> The only way I found is by clicking on the storage stat in the settings but I can’t access their settings to remove them.
[08:57] <ogra_> the application scope shows them all
[08:58] <ogra_> and a long press on an icon gets you to the uninstall option
[08:58] <MCMiic> ogra_: No, it does not show installed scopes
[08:59] <anpok> MCMiic: application scope is what you see when you unveil the launcher by swiping from the left edge, and touching the ubuntu logo in the lower left corner..
[09:00] <MCMiic> anpok: I know
[09:03] <anpok> MCMiic: if apps are not shown there something is wrong..
[09:03] <jibel> MCMiic, you can see which scopes are installed from the 'manage scope' panel by doing a bottom edge swipe. But then, I agree, there is no way to uninstall them directly from this screen.
[09:03] <ogra_> right, scopes are a bit behind in that regard :)
[09:04] <MCMiic> jibel: exactly
[09:04] <jibel> It's a valid point. I don't know if there is a bug filed for this already.
[09:05] <MCMiic> Also, if I go into the storage usage screen, I still see storage used by applications I already uninstalled. For instance gmail and twitter. Is this an error or is there left over from these applications? Any way I can delete this? (Maybe directly from the file manager?)
[09:06] <ogra_> i think we dont currently delete user data of apps when you uninstall them
[09:07] <ogra_> check in /home/phablet/.cache and /home/phablet/.local/share
[09:07] <MCMiic> ogra_: I would have expected to be able to delete them by long press in the storage screen. Ok, thanks for the info on there locations, I’m gonna try this.
[09:07] <ogra_> feel free to file a wishlist bug as suggestion for the design team
[09:08] <MCMiic> ok
[09:11] <MCMiic> ogra_: In the store, there is no filter possibility to show only installed or only free software?
[09:13] <ogra_> nope, not that i know of
[09:13] <jibel> MCMiic, I filed bug 1535237
[09:13] <V99> OTA 9 freeze the last friday, i cant test it now?
[09:13] <V99> can*
[09:13] <ogra_> (well, "only installed" for apps means the apps scope .... )
[09:14] <MCMiic> jibel: Thanks a lot
[09:14] <jibel> yw
[09:15] <MCMiic> ogra_: there is no search in the apps scope, and no scopes, using a filter in the store would be a good way to see everything installed and search in it
[09:15] <ogra_> there is a search option at the top
[09:15] <MCMiic> ogra_: and if there was other filter possibility like «freeness» it would allow to see what is installed and unfree for instance
[09:15] <MCMiic> ogra_: Ok, my bad
[09:15] <ogra_> the result will either show the installed app or offer you the store
[09:35] <mickburkesnr> morning all, does anyone here use ubuntu phone as their daily phone
[09:35] <V99> me
[09:37] <mickburkesnr> whats the battery life like on your phone?
[09:38] <V99> 2-3 days
[09:38] <V99> better than android
[09:39] <mickburkesnr> interesting, are you an average user of the phone? do you get emails and use it for internet browsing?
[09:39] <mickburkesnr> also what phone do you have running it?
[09:40] <V99> I have BQ E5 phone and yes, i get emails and browsing
[09:40] <mickburkesnr> brilliant, thats the phone i was looking at buying
[09:40] <mickburkesnr> is the battery removeable?
[09:40] <V99> the browser could be better
[09:41] <ogra_> V99, file bugs ;)
[09:43] <V99> ogra_: ?
[09:43] <ogra_> about the issues you have with the browser
[09:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day! 😃
[09:44] <mickburkesnr> what issues are there with the browser?
[09:45] <V99> i dont have problem with the browser ogra_, i only says that could be better, more options, downloads manager...but i read that with the OTA9 updates the browser
[09:45] <V99> so i will wait
[09:45] <V99> :D
[09:46] <ogra_> hmm, it uses the system wide download manager for me
[09:46] <mickburkesnr> is there just one browser for the phone then?
[09:46] <V99> i want to test today OTA9, but seems that its imposible
[09:46] <mickburkesnr> or is there a version of Firefox for it?
[09:46] <ogra_> there is a "liri browser" package in the store i think
[09:46] <ogra_> mickburkesnr, not yet
[09:47] <V99> i can install irssi on my phone?
[09:47] <ogra_> there is work going on for the convergence feature that will also allow firefox to run ... but not yet
[09:47] <ogra_> it will come though ... the system gets updated every 6 weeks
[09:48] <ogra_> (with the latest development)
[09:48] <mickburkesnr> ok, what engine does liri use? webkit?
[09:48] <ogra_> no idea
[09:48] <ogra_> seems to be ported from an android package
[09:49] <ogra_> (the UI doesnt really fit in ... )
[09:49] <mickburkesnr> i've just looked on Google and it's webkit based
[09:50] <DanChapman> afaik liri uses Oxide on Ubuntu and use QtWebEngine on other platforms
[09:51] <mickburkesnr> i've looked at a reddit thread about it, seems that is uses QtWebkit but there's no mention of Oxide?
[09:51] <ogra_> makes sense
[09:51] <mickburkesnr> ah no
[09:51] <ogra_> (else the maintainer would also have to maintain a webkit branch )
[09:51] <mickburkesnr> i've come across this on GitHub: https://github.com/liri-project/liri-browser/blob/master/src/qml/ubuntu/UbuntuApplication.qml
[09:51] <ogra_> (i mean webkit itself)
[09:51] <mickburkesnr> uses Oxide, never even heard of this engine.
[09:52] <ogra_> it is ubuntu own engine ... based on googles/chroimums blink
[09:53] <mickburkesnr> hmm, i need to play with it I think to see how it renders web pages. I'd need it to test sites I develop
[09:54] <ogra_> the renderer is the same as chromium ... the javascript engine is not V8 though
[09:56] <mickburkesnr> it's going to be interesting to see what happens with the browser. but generally speaking now, your experience with the phone/OS has been positive?
[09:56] <ogra_> yes, but then my app demands are not very high ...
[09:57] <mickburkesnr> neither are mine really. i just want a phone with good battery life, that's good to send an email from and will actually make calls. I don't use the phone for games.
[09:58] <ogra_> (i dont use whatsapp, have no facebook or twitter accounts and prefer to read my mail wiht a good old IMAP client)
[09:58] <ogra_> oh, and if i play games i actually prefer html5 online games :)
[09:59] <mickburkesnr> and the phone handles HTML5 online games alright then? :)
[09:59] <ogra_> the only feature i miss in the beroser is a fullscreen option in the menu :)
[09:59] <ogra_> most of them, yeah
[09:59] <V99> mickburkesnr: of course that its positive
[09:59] <V99> my previous phone was Firefox OS
[10:00] <V99> and seems that was a dead platform
[10:00] <V99> the ubuntu touch systems is alive
[10:00] <V99> and constants updates
[10:00] <mickburkesnr> well it is, Mozilla has abandoned it as a mobile platform.
[10:00] <V99> the negative points are the ubuntu store apps quality
[10:01] <mickburkesnr> think they're keeping it going for TV's etc, but the whole project was stupid in my opinion. but i'm glad you mentioned the ubuntu updates, how frequent are they?
[10:01] <ogra_> every 6 weeks
[10:01] <ogra_> or if you are brave and run the rc-proposed developer channel you get them every weekday
[10:02] <mickburkesnr> that's really good
[10:02] <V99> ogra_: you use rc-proposed?
[10:02] <ogra_> yep
[10:02] <V99> on your mobile?
[10:02] <V99> :O
[10:02] <flux__> me 2 i'm on rc-proposed
[10:02] <raph_ael> V99: coming from firefoxOs too, I don't have very good memories of app quality
[10:02] <ogra_> but i know my ways around if something goes wrong ;)
[10:03] <mickburkesnr> i'm guessing running your phone on rc-proposed is akin to eating half cooked chicken? :P
[10:03] <ogra_> well, the QA for each feature landing is pretty intense so regressions sneak in rarely
[10:03] <ogra_> but they happen
[10:04] <V99> ogra_: i want to u se rc-proposed system, what i have to do?
[10:05] <ogra_> take a look at the system-image-cli command ... specifically at the --switch option
[10:05] <ogra_> it lets you switch channels
[10:06] <ogra_> alternatively you can use ubuntu-device-flash from a PC and just flash with the rc-proposed channel
[10:06] <V99> thanks :D
[10:08] <mickburkesnr> thanks for answering my questions about the ubuntu phone, just needed to ask these questions before i decided on buying one
[10:18] <MCMiic> mickburkesnr: As far as I know there is no carddav support (at least not through GUI, it’s possible to make it work with command line, I’m gonna try this soon)
[10:18] <MCMiic> mickburkesnr: and on E4.5 battery is not removable :-/ Don’t know about other models.
[10:19] <ogra_> the phone uses evolution-data-server and ships syncevolution
[10:19] <MCMiic> yes, it only lacks GUI if I understood correctly
[10:19] <ogra_> so anything you can do with this is possible (but only google sync is there in the UI currently)
[10:20] <MCMiic> I need owncloud/carddav support, I’m gonna try the CLI configuration through syncevolution tomorrow
[10:20] <MCMiic> (I don’t need calendar badly enough to try to configure it by CLI, but contacts are pretty important)
[10:21] <MCMiic> ogra_: Are there GUI for syncevolution on other platforms which could be ported to ubuntu phone?
[10:21] <mickburkesnr> well at the moment my business emails are done through Office 365, but i'm going to move these emails to a email account I host myself via IMAP or POP3. so this shouldn't be too much of an issue really should it?
[10:21] <mickburkesnr> is there no calendar on the ubuntu phone???
[10:21] <ogra_> mickburkesnr, apart from having to maintain your own server ? no :)
[10:22] <MCMiic> mickburkesnr: The IMAP client Dekko works fine from what I’ve tried
[10:22] <ogra_> dekko is a pretty awesome mail client
[10:22] <ogra_> (lacking encryption features yet though, in case you rely on that)
[10:22] <MCMiic> mickburkesnr: There are calendar apps but none with caldav sync, only google sync afaik
[10:23] <MCMiic> ogra_: True, I did not notice this… though I’m always wondering if having my GPG private key on my phone would be a good idea anyway…
[10:23] <mickburkesnr> ah ok that's alright. i maintain a mail server for clients so i'm not too bothered in that respect. just a hassle every month to check whether they're due a renewal invoice :)
[10:23] <ogra_> MCMiic, exactly :)
[10:24] <MCMiic> ogra_: Does ubuntu phone supports any kind of storage encryption?
[10:27] <ogra_> not yet (i mean ... you can surely manually encrypt subdirs in /home/phablet/ but nothing integrated yet)
[10:28] <DanChapman> mickburkesnr, for what it's worth Dekko can work with offce365 via their pretty awful imap implementation. But Dekko works significantly better with decent IMAP servers. i.e dovecot/cyrus/courier etc
[10:29] <robin-hero> DanChapman, Any news about a new release of Dekko? :)
[10:29] <DanChapman> robin-hero, when it's ready :-)
[10:29]  * ogra_ saw pretty pictures :)
[10:30] <robin-hero> DanChapman, hehe :D I'm really looking forward for a new release, there are a lot of awesome pictures about the new Dekko :D
[10:30] <mickburkesnr> that'll suit me when I move my emails to my mail server then as it uses a decent IMAP Server :)
[10:31] <DanChapman> robin-hero, seriously though. Not long now. I created a proposed image last week. Have a list of things to tidy up and will see how the next image looks once that's done :-)
[10:31] <robin-hero> DanChapman, Cool, thanks :)
[10:37] <elimisteve> Speaking of Dekko crypto... are there plans to add PGP/GPG support?
[10:39]  * ogra_ guesses once the more important bits are done
[10:40] <DanChapman> Yeah it's on the roadmap. It's just not top of my list atm.... although patches would always be welcomed :-)
[10:59] <elimisteve> Dekko is written in C++?
[11:00] <DanChapman> elimisteve, yes C++
[11:01] <elimisteve> I'm a Go/Python/JS guy. Anything that can move GPG support along other than C++ patches?
[11:01] <elimisteve> Think you'll add it in the next year?
[11:05]  * ogra_ hopes rather this year :)
[11:10] <V99> DanChapman: ogra_ someone works for canonical? or you're freelance?
[11:17] <DanChapman> elimisteve, it would need to be c++. For anything else it would require a plugin api for parsing mime structures which atm I don't even know how that would look. and maybe more hassle than it's worth.
[11:18] <DanChapman> But yeah it will most likely be done this year :-)
[11:22] <DanChapman> V99 I'm just a community developer (although a job at canonical one day would be nice :-) )
[11:44] <ogra_> V99, i work for canonical
[11:45] <ogra_> (but not on the phone anymore)
[11:46] <tathhu> <3
[11:47] <davmor2> I work for canonical I break everything
[11:49] <V99> wow, and how is work for canonical?
[11:50] <davmor2> Wonderful, Chaotic, Busy, Exhilarating
[11:51] <davmor2> ogra_: ^ would you agree?
[11:51] <ogra_> yeah
[11:52] <ogra_> it also puts a lot of fat onto your hips
[11:54] <tathhu> oivoi
[11:55] <k1l_> because you work at home and have a short distance to the kitchen? :)
[11:56] <davmor2> ogra_: no time to exercise that is the issue and if anyone says walking desk I will do my best Liam Neeson in taken impression :)
[11:56] <ogra_> heh
[11:56] <ogra_> k1l_, yeah
[12:04] <victor_bq> Hi John!
[12:06] <mickburkesnr> Linus Torvalds uses a walking desk :)
[12:09] <V99> ogra_: and how cordionates to works?
[12:09] <ogra_> ?
[12:09]  * ogra_ cant parse that
[12:09] <V99> with other employers
[12:10] <V99> via skype?
[12:10] <ogra_> IRC, hangouts
[12:10] <ogra_> ... mail
[12:10] <davmor2> V99: you mean with other Employees,  then what ogra_ said
[12:14] <V99> interesting
[12:14] <V99> i wish some day i will works in canonical
[12:15] <elimisteve> DanChapman: hey do you happen to know roughly how many people work on Ubuntu Phone full-time?
[12:16] <DanChapman> elimisteve, no idea.
[12:17] <elimisteve> kk
[12:31] <V99> ubuntu touch will run as well in E4.5 that E5?
[12:37] <OerHeks> V99, yes
[12:37] <OerHeks> see supported devices
[12:47] <elimisteve> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[13:22] <robin-hero> ogra_, Could I ask what is your new role at Canonical? :)
[13:23] <ogra_> robin-hero, i work on snappy
[13:24] <robin-hero> thanks, that sounds interesting :)
[14:23] <davmor2> robin-hero: I'll tell you, ogra_ sits in a corner propping up a bar and calls it hard work, then he awakes from his illusion and works hard on making snappy as awesome as it can be
[14:24] <ogra_> you make it sound like i'm the lemmy kilmister of coding :P
[14:24] <robin-hero> :D
[14:26] <davmor2> ogra_: That's Rock and Roll baby \m/
[15:24] <mcmic> I plugged an SD into my ubuntu phone, it immediatly started to analyse it for content. so it refuses to unmount it or format it. I wanted to format it first. Any idea how long I have to wait before I can unmount it? Is there any way to see the progress and maybe to stop the process?
[15:48] <BlackJohnny> hello
[15:49] <BlackJohnny> does anyone know how to get access to the Pictures folder in order to save camera pictures? I read all about app confinement but the picture_files policy seems reserved for system apps
[15:49] <BlackJohnny> thank you
[15:55] <davmor2> BlackJohnny: via mtp, or do you mean in an app you are writing.  If it is the latter then your image would be saved to the folder your app has access too not the system folders
[16:06] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows why gmail app incomming emails sounds not always alert? or dekko no sound at all?
[18:07] <mhall119> mariogrip: I forgot to mention, I spoke to slangasek about the problem of device name aliases, and he suggested that we go with a solution where the alias data is hosted on the server in something like a JSON file, and then we patch ubuntu-device-flash to look for that and use it if found
[18:07] <mhall119> that way you can host your own alias data on ubuports
[18:10] <mariogrip> mhall119: That's sounds good.
[18:30] <BionicEye> Hey, we are building a bionic eye and want our devices that interface with it to be run on ubuntu.
[18:30] <BionicEye> Does anyone know about tablets that are available to do this?
[18:31] <BionicEye> Or who to talk to about getting some made?
[18:32] <BionicEye> Bionic Eye software powered by ubuntu would be pretty cool to market.
[18:33] <BionicEye> well, if anyone does know anything about how to make this happen please hit me up at bmiller@secondsight.com
[18:34] <mcphail> BionicEye: There aren't any consumer tablets yet. The 2013 Nexus 7 is targeted for development. The best first step might be a message to the mailing list
[18:55] <mimecar> good evening
[20:15] <BOHverkill> \o/
[20:16] <sil2100> Still some time to go!
[20:17] <mimecar> one week :p
[23:02] <mariogrip> mhall119: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mariogrip/goget-ubuntu-touch/device-alias/revision/221
[23:28] <mhall119> mariogrip: is that all it takes? is deviceAlias a file on the server, or is it a new section in the server's data?
[23:29] <mariogrip> mhall119: see under ubuntu-touch/stable http://system-image.ubports.com/channels.json there is a "deviceAlias" obj
[23:30] <mariogrip> I'm currently implementing it on the server side
[23:30] <mhall119> ah, so that would still require changes to whatever generates those files (assuming they're not manually edited)
[23:31] <mariogrip> mhall119: Jup, im soon done with the server part
[23:31] <mhall119> mariogrip: my Go knowledge is lacking, if there is no deviceAlias obj, it just continues on as normal?
[23:32] <mariogrip> jup