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hikikoHello!05:58
pittiGood morning06:44
pittihey hikiko, how are you?06:44
hikikohello pitti :)06:53
hikikoI am fine thanks, and you?06:53
pittihikiko: I'm great, thanks06:59
george4nHey guys, I'm currently looking for way to change the audio device from terminal. eg. from HDMI out to headphones out. This is needs to be in a startup script. Is there any way to make stipulate that a device must be the default sound device? Or an order of devices at least?07:37
george4nbasically, HDMI out always defaults for me, I would like it that if in other devices are present, they should be default and never HDMI out07:38
darkxstgeorge4n, probably with pacmd07:47
darkxsthey pitti, hikiko07:47
pittihey darkxst, how are you?07:49
darkxstpitti, its too damn hot again! but otherwise good07:50
* pitti tosses darkxst some snow07:50
pittiwe've got plenty now :)07:50
darkxstI need more like shipping container full ;)07:50
hikikohi darkxst07:52
larsugood morning!07:59
pittihey larsu08:06
didrocksgood morning!08:06
larsumorgen pitti!08:06
* didrocks at CDG08:06
larsubonjour didrocks!08:06
didrockshey larsu, pitti!08:06
larsudidrocks: have a good flight!08:06
didrocksthx ;)08:06
didrocksas good as first one, I hope :p08:06
didrocks(and CDG starts to be really awesome for connecting, 10 minutes door to door)08:07
larsuwow08:07
pittibonjour didrocks, ça va ?08:10
pittididrocks: ah, you're at the airport ATM?08:10
pittididrocks: if you can, please kick off a xenial u-make run, I fixed that bug08:10
didrockspitti: already did08:12
didrocks(before connected to IRC)08:12
pittididrocks: \o/08:12
didrockslet's cross fingers this will work :)08:14
didrocksthanks pitti!08:14
didrockspitti: large tests just started08:34
pittididrocks: and has two dots now, looking good!08:38
didrockspitti: yeah :-)08:44
didrocksok, boarding starts soon, see you later guys!08:52
larsuenjoy!08:52
didrocksthx!08:52
willcookemorning all.  -4 out there today09:00
larsuwillcooke: morning! -8 :P09:00
willcookeOhhh!  Wow!09:01
Laneyyo09:02
larsumorning Laney!09:03
Laneyheeeey larsu!09:03
Laneywhat's up09:04
larsusun :)09:04
larsureally nice actually09:04
larsujust very cold09:04
larsuhow are you>09:04
Laneygood09:06
LaneyI broke continuous last night for the first time09:06
Laneyhappy days09:06
larsu\o/09:06
larsuthe pcre patch?09:06
Laneyyeah /o\09:06
larsuwhat did it break>09:06
Laneylike 3 people reviewed it too09:06
Laneylolz09:06
* larsu cannot type '?' this morning09:06
larsuhaha nice09:06
Laneybuild with --with-pcre=internal09:06
larsuI know, but where did continous break?09:07
Laneythat was the break09:07
Laneylinking with the internal one09:07
larsuah09:07
Laneythe default changed to =system and i forgot to check the other I guess09:07
pittihey Laney!09:08
larsuLaney: ah well. If people reviewed that but noone caught it......09:08
Laneylarsu: all good fun, and not too hard to fix09:10
Laneymaybe smcv will win and get that internal copy reviewed some time anyway09:10
Laneyhey pitti!09:10
Laneyhow are you?09:10
pittiLaney: quite well, thanks! I think I'm sufficiently prepared for the talk and sprint today09:10
pittihow about yourself?09:11
Laneyoh yeah, this starts today!09:11
Laneytrying to gear up to do a bit of patch piloting09:11
andyrockmorning all10:05
willcookehey andyrock10:06
larsuhey andyrock10:10
andyrockhey willcooke larsu10:10
alexarnaudhi everybody !10:15
alexarnaudhow do you do this morning ?10:16
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willcookemorning alexarnaud10:56
cyphermoxwillcooke: morning!11:09
willcookehey cyphermox, how goes?11:10
cyphermoxwillcooke: I've been looking at the airplane mode switch in gnome-control-center/unity-control-center, but looks like I might need help11:10
willcookeoki, no worries.11:10
cyphermoxI can't find the switch's code in that codebase :P11:10
willcookeha, that'll be why it doesn't work ;)11:10
willcookecyphermox, I think seb is most familiar with that code, but's he's on a plane atm11:11
willcookemind dropping him an email?11:11
cyphermoxadmittedly so far I have only grepped, but nothing came up under [Ff]light or [Aa]irplane, any ideas of something else I could look for?11:11
cyphermoxsure11:11
cyphermoxwillcooke: or maybe I found it just now11:16
willcookecyphermox, :)11:18
willcookecyphermox, what was the magic keyword?11:25
Laneypanels/network11:29
Laneyrfkill_switch11:29
cyphermoxexactly11:31
cyphermox(sorry, it's real early here, lots happening ;)11:32
cyphermoxLaney: you can review my code branch?11:35
Laneyit's possible11:36
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Laneycyphermox: gimme a linky when you have one11:42
cyphermoxyep11:42
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cyphermoxLaney: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/unity-control-center/rfkill-switch/+merge/28310713:05
LaneyYou're going to need a bug for that13:10
Laneyor at least a better rationale13:11
Laneyhappyaron: you here?13:21
Laneyhappyaron: this https://launchpadlibrarian.net/234407517/ibus_1.5.5-1ubuntu3.1_1.5.5-1ubuntu4.diff.gz looks bad13:22
alexarnaudHow to contact Jorge Castro ?13:27
alexarnaudIs Canonical member ?13:28
alexarnaudI see lot of thing on launhpad but nothing on IRC13:29
* desrt yawns13:41
desrthappy tuesday, all13:41
Laneyalexarnaud: https://launchpad.net/~jorge says his IRC nick13:42
Laneyahoy desrt13:42
Laneywhat is the word13:42
desrtgood morning Laney13:42
desrtthe word is as follows: bird.13:43
desrthow do you find yourself today?13:43
Laneyi've heard that too13:44
Laneyummmmmm I'm good13:44
Laneyit's a bit cold so I lit a candle and put it underneath my face13:44
Laneynot sure that this is the smartest plan13:44
davmor2willcooke: last current 16.04 cd was from 17th13:47
willcookedavmor2, oki.  Probably nothing to worry about.  Laney, if you get a sec ^13:47
davmor2willcooke: Laney I assume just something stuck in proposed but thought it worth mentioning13:48
LaneyI can't get on the jenkins13:48
Laneyjibel usually knows more13:48
Laneyoh there, just reaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy sllllllloooooooooooooooooOOOOOOoooOOoooOOOOoooOOOOOooowwwwwwwwwWWWwwwWWWw13:50
Laneylooks like the tests haven't run13:51
hikikohey question to everyone :)13:51
Laneythere is in fact no image newer13:51
Laneyso that is why13:51
Laneybecause they failed to build13:51
Laneycomponent-mismatch13:52
hikikoI get a message that some unity components cannot connect to dbus, is there a way to restart dbus?13:52
alexarnaudhikiko: is it about AT-SPI2 daemon?13:52
alexarnaudit's possible maybe to restart dbus as I know13:53
hikikosystemctl restart dbus.service doesn't seem to solve my connection problems13:54
alexarnaudwillcooke: which one decide to add Ubuntu-specific things on a package ? Is there discussions or it's tha responsability of the maintainer ?13:54
hikikoalexarnaud, you just do a merge proposal with your changes on launchpad, then the developers will review it, if it works well and doesn't cause any problems they ll approve it and then it will be merged and then it will appear in next release13:57
willcookealexarnaud, "it depends" - if it's something the desktop team maintain then there is usually a discussion on here13:57
alexarnaudwillcooke: it's the gnome-settings-daemon package14:08
alexarnaudI expect it's possible to split it in two source package14:08
alexarnaudone for the upstream14:08
alexarnaudthe otherfor the specific ubuntu change14:08
alexarnaudbecause we want to backport Compiz into Debian14:09
alexarnaudand we think debien doesn't approuv specific change for one package in gnome-settings-daemon14:09
willcookehumm, maybe larsu or Laney can advise? ^14:12
alexarnaudwillcooke: the package maintainer as I see is seb12814:17
willcookealexarnaud, he's travelling this week, might be around a bit tomorrow, but I expect he will be out all week14:18
desrtLaney: did your face melt?14:20
alexarnaudwillcooke: OK, thanks14:21
davmor2Laney: awesome I figured it would be something magical like that :)14:23
Laneydesrt: it smelt weird so i got scared that my lungs were going to fill up with wax15:04
Laneythe temperature was actually great15:04
desrtlol15:04
desrti have a feeling that your lungs have some system to avoid that15:04
willcooke<rumble>15:28
willcooke#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-01-1915:30
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willcookeRoll call: andyrock, attente (out), desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks (out), fjkong, happyaron (out), hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128 (out), sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho (out), robert_ancell (out)15:30
andyrocko/15:30
Laneyhi15:30
LaneyI'm watching pi_tti's presentation15:30
Laneybut still here15:30
willcookeLots of people out15:32
willcookelets get moveing15:32
willcooke*moving15:32
willcooke#topic andyrock15:32
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andyrockI'm rebasing my branches for startup notification on Marco's branches for launcher-devices integration15:33
andyrockI've already started to push some branches15:33
andyrockshould be finished by the end of the day15:33
andyrockI'll later take a look to the branch proposed by didier/contributor15:34
andyrockand to the lockscreen suspend regression15:34
andyrock\eof15:34
willcookecool, thanks andyrock15:34
willcooke#topic desrt15:34
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desrthello15:34
desrtlooking through bug backlog15:35
desrtdid a release yesterday15:35
desrtalso figured out a good way to generate a new gpg key completely offline with yubikey for subkeys :)15:35
willcooke:D15:35
desrtdid a bit more work on the gsettingschangeset branch too15:35
desrteof15:35
willcookethanks desrt15:35
willcooke#topic dgadomski15:35
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willcookeAnything for us this week dgadomski?15:35
dgadomskihey, unfortunately nothing to share in the desktop area this week15:35
willcookenw, cheers!15:36
dgadomskithanks15:36
willcooke#topic FJKong15:36
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FJKonghi15:36
FJKong1 duplicate icon show in status bar after login out and in.15:36
FJKong2 adjust candidate words and support deleting words which user don't want to keep.15:36
FJKong3 feature request: add dict defined by user.15:36
FJKongeof15:36
willcookethanks FJKong, good stuff15:36
willcookeFJKong, OEM customers are interested in getting Pinyin search in the dash too.  So that might get bumped up the priority list in a few weeks time. I'll keep you posted15:37
willcookenothing to worry about for now15:37
willcooke#topic happyaron15:37
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willcooke1. Work on fontconfig configuration for fonts-noto-cjk15:37
willcooke2. Start to clear my SRU backlog.15:37
willcooke#topic hikiko15:37
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hikikohey15:37
hikikoI am re-writing the part of the shadow code that creates a texture from the shape of the window applies it to a quad and shows it on the screen because I realized that debugging the window/quads ordering/clipping in compiz and unity (that has a few bugs and makes my shadows appear on top of the window in some cases or in wrong size/position in some others) might take ages and it's faster to create one quad in the existing decoration window15:38
hikikoand use one pixmap texture (unity specific textures) with the shape on it.15:38
hikikoThis will solve the issue because15:38
hikikoeven if unity windows are given to compiz in wrong order15:39
hikikocompiz has a mechanism to draw them correctly15:39
hikikoalso this change15:39
hikiko only affects how shadows are displayed,  I still use the same algorithm (that is tested) to calculate them, so I hope it works soon.15:39
hikikoeof15:39
willcookethanks hikiko15:40
willcookegood work!15:41
willcooke#topic Laney15:41
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Laney• Expose appstream files over rsync, per a request from LP15:41
Laney∘ also write a script to fetch this from the server and extract it into place manually, since the automatic stuff won't work until we get it into the mirrors15:41
Laney• New glib to D + U15:41
Laney∘ We had a mismatched pcre between build + runtime, since it got stuck in xenial-proposed. This broke some of the new tests - propose a test upstream to fix that.15:41
Laney∘ poke at autopkgtests (pcre made intltool-update spit warnings, fix that in Debian + Ubuntu)15:41
Laney• fonts-tlwg upgrade fix which tons of people had noticed but nobody actually uploaded a fix for... also NMU that to Debian15:41
Laney• Final set of webkit2 porting for things in main. Try to ping Trevinho about a scrollbar bug which he looked at before, but not much luck there15:41
Laney• patch pilot (should be able to empty the ubuntu-desktop queue)15:41
Laney• DMB15:41
Laney• look at desktop isos not building, it's because of checkbox15:42
Laney• poke the last few things for libqca2 that was holding a load of stuff in proposed (gst parts), that cleared out15:42
Laney15:42
willcookeawesome!  thanks Laney15:42
willcookewell done on the desktop queue too15:42
willcooke#topic larsu15:42
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willcookehrm15:44
willcooke#topic qengho15:45
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willcookeI think maybe it's a public holiday in the US today as well?15:45
qenghoHi hi.15:45
qengho* working on crashing bugs in Unity or Chromium. LP: #1535358, #153539015:45
ubot5Launchpad bug 1535390 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Chromium's built-in PDF renderer crashes when rendering some files, takes unity down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153539015:45
ubot5Launchpad bug 1535358 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Clicking a URL crashes xorg" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153535815:45
qengho* merging xdg-utils still. fedback from seb, thanks.15:45
qenghoEOF15:45
willcookewoo - fun bugs!15:45
willcookethanks qengho15:45
willcookeis it a holiday today?  Internet says it's MLK day15:45
willcooke#topic Sweet5hark15:46
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Sweet5hark- fixing l10n/split build issue on LibreOffice xenial rc1 still15:46
Sweet5hark- rest of the week: finish that and bump to rc2, then look into snap15:46
Sweet5harkEOF15:46
willcookethanks Sweet5hark15:46
willcookehope the internet connection improves15:46
willcooke#topic TheMuso15:46
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qenghowillcooke: It is, but most places celebrate it on the Monday. I did too.15:47
willcookeqengho, ah yes, makes sense15:47
willcookethanks15:47
willcooke* Almost got the library part of liba11y-profile-manager finished, got to write a command-line utility to work with it for testing and general usage, and then its onto the integration with the installer and desktop.15:47
willcooke* Uploaded pulseaudio 7.99.2 to the Ubuntu Audio Dev pulse testing PPA, pulse 8 due any day now. http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/pulse-testing15:47
willcooke* Upstrea have responded about orca gsettings patch, so started working on some suggested changes.15:47
desrtwillcooke: orca gsettings patch?  link?15:47
willcooke#topic tk15:47
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willcookeno Till15:47
willcookewill come back15:47
willcooke#topic robert_ancell15:48
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willcooke- GNOME Software Ubuntu support work15:48
willcooke- Set up PPA with current GNOME Software support15:48
willcooke- Released simple-scan 3.19.415:48
willcooke#topic any other business15:48
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willcookeWhile we're waiting to see if Till or larsu put in an appearance, any other business?15:48
larsuwillcooke: oops sorry my errand took longer than I thought (in related news, /me has glasses now)15:49
willcooke:)15:49
willcooke#topic larsu15:49
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larsuI don't have much to report anyway15:49
Laneypix15:49
desrtlarsu: pics or it didn't happen!15:49
larsuafter we decided to use nautilus 3.14 instead of 18, I stopped working on that15:49
larsuand am working on geonames i18n now15:50
larsuthat's all15:50
larsuLaney, desrt: give me a minute!15:50
* larsu just hurried in15:50
willcookethanks larsu15:50
willcookein which case let's #endmeeting15:50
willcooke#endmeeting15:51
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Jan 19 15:51:01 2016 UTC.15:51
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-01-19-15.30.moin.txt15:51
willcookethanks all15:51
desrt:D15:51
desrtwillcooke: do you have that link about the gsettings bug?15:51
Laneyprobably ask TheMuso15:51
willcookeoh, sorry desrt - missed your comment before15:52
willcookeI don't have a link, hit up TheMuso15:52
desrti think i know where the bug is, in fact15:53
desrti found it before along with an old dup15:53
* desrt just remembering last time this was mentioned and she got curious15:53
alexarnaudhikiko: how to choose which profiles uses in Compiz ?16:08
alexarnaudhikiko: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14575900/16:10
alexarnaudI use this config file and defaut profile name but all settings are stored in gsettings in the unity profile16:11
alexarnaudhikiko: In CCSM, when I have the right profile selected (here mate-accessibility). In DCONF I see all the settings on the profiles Unity.16:30
alexarnaudAlways in CCSM when I switch from one profile to another (in this case mate-accessibility to Unity or Default) nothing changes.16:31
alexarnaudEverything is on version 0.9.12.016:32
Sweet5harkhmmm, my bank just invalidated/exchanged a credit card, I never ever used because of "possible fraud".17:02
Sweet5harkEither the karsten nohl talk at 32c3 was seen by somebody from a bank and that person went "omgwtfbbq exchange all the cards!!!11!oneone!1!eleven" or "the" are having movement profiles suggesting I was close to the 32c3 premises and thus at risk.17:07
Sweet5harkdunno what scenario is scarier THB.17:07
desrtSweet5hark: my money is on a blip in some weird heuristic algorithm17:24
* willcooke keeps it all under the mattress 17:24
* desrt is reminded of negative interest rates17:25
Sweet5harkwillcooke: right next to the second amendment, the gold and the guns?17:25
willcooke:D17:25
willcookeI mean I invested it all in mattresses17:25
desrtSweet5hark: you forgot his bible17:25
willcookelol17:26
willcookerelated news:  anyone want to buy a mattress?17:26
desrtlol17:26
Sweet5harkdesrt: negative interest rates are yesterdays news, today we have negative oil prices http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-18/the-north-dakota-crude-oil-that-s-worth-less-than-nothing17:26
Sweet5harkbibles. indeed!17:26
desrtlemme guess: "we'll take this off your hands for a price, in order to free up your tanks to hold the good stuff"?17:27
desrtah.  apparently the negative was just a mistake.17:28
Sweet5harkdesrt: well, it says "due to the lack of pipeline capacity" aka "not even worth to transport that crap to a refinery"17:29
desrtworrying17:30
desrtwhen oil is approximately 'free', people have less incentive to switch to actually-free energy...17:30
Sweet5hark... and now additional iranian oil will further dump prices.17:31
Sweet5harkdesrt: well, it sure will not stay free forever: either shale oil well will get closed/bankrupt or saudi-arabia will go bankrupt because of their price dumping. somethings gotta give, this not sustainable.17:33
Sweet5hark"we live in interesting times."17:33
desrti recently found out that canada uses approximately no saudi oil... that surprised me17:34
willcookedinner time.  g'night all18:26
alexarnaudI have nice ivening !18:29
alexarnaudSee you tomorrow :)!18:29
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