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| * slangasek waves | 16:59 | |
| pitti | o/ | 17:00 |
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| * stgraber waves | 17:00 | |
| kees | hi! | 17:00 |
| slangasek | whee quorum | 17:01 |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 17:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Jan 19 17:01:34 2016 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 17:01 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 17:01 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Apologies | 17:01 |
| slangasek | I haven't seen any apologies sent to the list | 17:01 |
| infinity | I can apologize for being here, if that helps. | 17:02 |
| slangasek | looks like everyone is here, except mdeslaur and sabdfl? | 17:02 |
| pitti | yeah, I was looking for Mark on C IRC too, but he's not online | 17:02 |
| kees | infinity: i refuse your apology! | 17:02 |
| infinity | kees: I refuse your refusal. Checkmate. | 17:03 |
| * kees bows | 17:03 | |
| slangasek | moving on :) | 17:03 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Action review | 17:03 |
| slangasek | ACTION: slangasek to document juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases | 17:03 |
| slangasek | ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception | 17:04 |
| infinity | Oh crap. | 17:04 |
| slangasek | ok, I swear docker wasn't on that list previously | 17:04 |
| infinity | I should do some maas stuff today. | 17:04 |
| slangasek | mdeslaur: hi! | 17:04 |
| slangasek | I think somebody editorial-changes-ed me | 17:04 |
| mdeslaur | whoops, sorry, forgot about the meeting | 17:04 |
| slangasek | regardless, I'm in the same state as infinity - still to be done | 17:04 |
| infinity | slangasek: docker handling is in a state of flux (shock) after the CDO sprint, ignore that one for a bit. | 17:05 |
| infinity | slangasek: I've been having discussions with the server team about proposed plans and their relative sanity. | 17:05 |
| slangasek | infinity: gladly! | 17:05 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] slangasek to document juju exception on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases | 17:06 |
| meetingology | ACTION: slangasek to document juju exception on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases | 17:06 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception | 17:06 |
| meetingology | ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception | 17:06 |
| slangasek | infinity: what's the action re: docker, then? | 17:06 |
| slangasek | (and for the record, no, docker had always been on that list :) | 17:06 |
| infinity | slangasek: Well, nothing to document until they've hashed out a plan of action and presented it. | 17:06 |
| infinity | slangasek: I've had a few meetings with rbasak and co, perhaps an action to just revisit status at the next meeting and make sure it's going somewhere. | 17:07 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] revisit status at next meeting of server plans for docker in 16.04 | 17:07 |
| meetingology | ACTION: revisit status at next meeting of server plans for docker in 16.04 | 17:07 |
| slangasek | infinity: look good? | 17:07 |
| infinity | Yep. | 17:08 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] TB election | 17:09 |
| slangasek | according to the agenda, today's the last day of the call for nominees | 17:09 |
| slangasek | if you're on the board and want to stand again, don't forget to nominate yourself :) | 17:09 |
| pitti | right | 17:09 |
| pitti | we have 6 public nominations, haven't heard from Mark about privately sent ones | 17:09 |
| slangasek | (if you're here reading but not on the board and are interested, don't forget to nominate yourself!) | 17:09 |
| infinity | One of the public nominations isn't a core-dev. (or even MOTU) | 17:10 |
| pitti | FTR, I didn't candidate again; I did three terms (6 years), and I think we should shrink the board a bit as there's muuuch less work than it used to be | 17:10 |
| infinity | I think we should shrink it by 1, to get an odd number (minus Mark). | 17:11 |
| infinity | Since he never votes, and has absolute veto anyway. | 17:11 |
| slangasek | so what's the process for doing that? | 17:11 |
| slangasek | getting sabdfl to agree to change the number of seats? | 17:11 |
| infinity | No idea. We lack a constitution. | 17:11 |
| infinity | So, yeah, I tihnk just getting sabdfl to agree. | 17:12 |
| slangasek | play tinny music on a record player during the TB election, then stop it suddenly and remove a seat? | 17:12 |
| slangasek | did someone already contact Mark about this? I saw infinity suggest this change previously but don't recall if it was written in a mail or whatnot | 17:12 |
| pitti | I didn't, I was hoping we could discuss that during the meeting | 17:13 |
| infinity | Yeah, I suggested it in the last meeting, but nothing formally-presented. | 17:13 |
| infinity | I think odd number (for tie-breakers) makes sense, and shrinking to 3 probably excludes too many points of view for healthy discussion, so I'd be happy with five. | 17:14 |
| mdeslaur | perhaps propose this to the list? | 17:14 |
| infinity | I can mail the list today, and CC Mark. | 17:14 |
| slangasek | pitti: discuss because you disagree with that proposal | 17:14 |
| slangasek | ? | 17:14 |
| pitti | or we could even vote | 17:14 |
| infinity | Right, I think it's worth us voting on, then proposing. | 17:15 |
| pitti | slangasek: I'm fine with 5 | 17:15 |
| stgraber | I'm happy with it too | 17:15 |
| pitti | 3 would suffice too IMHO, but it'd get pretty lonely if someone can't attend the meeting | 17:15 |
| slangasek | #vote Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business | 17:16 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business | 17:16 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 17:16 |
| pitti | but I totally agree to "odd number" in either case | 17:16 |
| pitti | +1 | 17:16 |
| meetingology | +1 received from pitti | 17:16 |
| infinity | +1 | 17:16 |
| stgraber | +1 | 17:16 |
| meetingology | +1 received from infinity | 17:16 |
| meetingology | +1 received from stgraber | 17:16 |
| slangasek | +1 | 17:16 |
| meetingology | +1 received from slangasek | 17:16 |
| mdeslaur | +0 | 17:16 |
| meetingology | +0 received from mdeslaur | 17:16 |
| kees | +1 | 17:16 |
| meetingology | +1 received from kees | 17:16 |
| slangasek | #endvote | 17:16 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business | 17:16 |
| meetingology | Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 17:16 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 17:16 |
| slangasek | excellent | 17:16 |
| infinity | Alright. I'll mail later today after I've rested from kernel security madness. | 17:16 |
| slangasek | (and I didn't even fail at running the voting machine, which had me nervous after such disuse) | 17:17 |
| mdeslaur | hehe | 17:17 |
| infinity | (PS: People who release 0-day exploits at 5am should be shot) | 17:17 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] infinity to raise to sabdfl the proposal to reduce the number of TB members | 17:17 |
| meetingology | ACTION: infinity to raise to sabdfl the proposal to reduce the number of TB members | 17:17 |
| slangasek | ok | 17:17 |
| slangasek | no other agenda items in the wiki | 17:17 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item) | 17:17 |
| pitti | I see nothign green except nominatinos | 17:18 |
| slangasek | there was also the mail from mhall about the Ubuntu Governance catch-up | 17:18 |
| pitti | "monitations", "nomnomnations" | 17:18 |
| pitti | that's in a month (Feb 18) | 17:18 |
| slangasek | which I've put on my calendar, and supposing I'm not re-elected will make sure I pass on to someone else | 17:19 |
| slangasek | pitti: May 19? | 17:19 |
| slangasek | oh, there are two | 17:19 |
| slangasek | CC and Ubuntu Governance | 17:19 |
| slangasek | I'm pretty sure I won't make the CC one fwiw | 17:19 |
| pitti | slangasek: mine from Jan 4 says CC-TB checkup is Feb | 17:19 |
| infinity | pitti: Yeah, two mails, two meetings. | 17:20 |
| slangasek | ok, nothing else on mailing list | 17:22 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs | 17:22 |
| infinity | Nada. | 17:23 |
| slangasek | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard is empty | 17:23 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting | 17:23 |
| infinity | Assuming re-election, looks like it's stgraber. | 17:23 |
| infinity | If not, well, whee. | 17:23 |
| slangasek | I believe that's stgraber, followed by infinity | 17:23 |
| slangasek | ah yes, we expire EOM again :) | 17:23 |
| slangasek | [INFO] next chair (assuming reëlection): stgraber, backup is infinity | 17:24 |
| infinity | reëlection? | 17:24 |
| slangasek | ;) | 17:24 |
| infinity | Deadkeys gone wild? | 17:25 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 17:25 |
| slangasek | infinity: naw, deadkeys are evil; that's just me having fun | 17:25 |
| pitti | that actually looks right, it's a trema | 17:25 |
| slangasek | ok, anything else need discussing today? | 17:26 |
| infinity | It would be right without the first e. | 17:26 |
| infinity | And I think we might be all discussed out for the day. | 17:26 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 17:27 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 17:27:07 2016 UTC. | 17:27 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2016/ubuntu-meeting-2.2016-01-19-17.01.moin.txt | 17:27 |
| slangasek | ok then | 17:27 |
| slangasek | thanks, all! | 17:27 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 17:27 |
| mdeslaur | thanks everyone! | 17:27 |
| kees | thanks! | 17:27 |
| pitti | now, happy campaigning! :-) | 17:27 |
| stgraber | thanks! | 17:27 |
| slangasek | :) | 17:28 |
| pitti | infinity: and FWIW, rëlection looks completely wrong | 17:28 |
| slangasek | it is wrong | 17:28 |
| infinity | Oh, wait. Yeah. I guess if you're using it in the "make it not silent" sense. | 17:28 |
| infinity | Derp. | 17:28 |
| pitti | if languages had any kind of consistency, and English would use tremas, reëlection would be fairly right given its pronounciation :) | 17:29 |
| pitti | ("re-el", not "reel") | 17:29 |
| * infinity nods. | 17:29 | |
| pitti | no, in the "it's two distinct vowels", not a "joined" ones | 17:29 |
| pitti | Like Noël or Loïc | 17:29 |
| pitti | </pedantry> | 17:30 |
| pitti | <dinner> | 17:30 |
| pitti | bbl, thanks again | 17:30 |
| slangasek | usually called diaeresis in English rather than trema, and it's mostly replaced by a dash instead | 17:30 |
| slangasek | PS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis_%28diacritic%29 claims that a diaeresis is "also known as the umlaut" someone please fix ;) | 17:30 |
| pitti | yeah, I still know it from French; German has lost it as a Trema and uses it as umlauts, but it's long-gone from English as well | 17:30 |
| slangasek | pitti: not so long, it was in common usage in print through the 1960s and some American newspapers still had it in their style guides through the last decade | 17:31 |
| infinity | slangasek: The article goes on to explain the difference between a trema and an umlaut. | 17:31 |
| pitti | slangasek: oh interesting; do you know any example? | 17:32 |
| pitti | e. g. in German we pronounce "asteroid" as "o-id", not the "joined" sound like the English pronouncation | 17:32 |
| slangasek | this contributes to giving the use of diaeresis in English words the impression of being pompous and stuffy, which may or may not have been the effect I was going for | 17:32 |
| slangasek | pitti: examples of words or newspapers? | 17:32 |
| slangasek | coöperative | 17:32 |
| slangasek | and the New York Times | 17:32 |
| slangasek | respectively :) | 17:32 |
| pitti | in German we actually used to write "Asteroïd", but since German replaced that joined "oi" sound with "eu" the trema became obsolete | 17:32 |
| pitti | slangasek: ah interesting, so that's actually exactly like reëlection | 17:33 |
| * infinity goes to do one last security kernel publication and catch a short nap. | 17:35 | |
| * pitti -> dinner and back to proposed-migration sprint | 17:36 | |
| pitti | o/ | 17:36 |
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