[16:59]  * slangasek waves
[17:00] <pitti> o/
[17:00]  * stgraber waves
[17:00] <kees> hi!
[17:01] <slangasek> whee quorum
[17:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 19 17:01:34 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:01] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Apologies
[17:01] <slangasek> I haven't seen any apologies sent to the list
[17:02] <infinity> I can apologize for being here, if that helps.
[17:02] <slangasek> looks like everyone is here, except mdeslaur and sabdfl?
[17:02] <pitti> yeah, I was looking for Mark on C IRC too, but he's not online
[17:02] <kees> infinity: i refuse your apology!
[17:03] <infinity> kees: I refuse your refusal.  Checkmate.
[17:03]  * kees bows
[17:03] <slangasek> moving on :)
[17:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Action review
[17:03] <slangasek> ACTION: slangasek to document juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
[17:04] <slangasek> ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
[17:04] <infinity> Oh crap.
[17:04] <slangasek> ok, I swear docker wasn't on that list previously
[17:04] <infinity> I should do some maas stuff today.
[17:04] <slangasek> mdeslaur: hi!
[17:04] <slangasek> I think somebody editorial-changes-ed me
[17:04] <mdeslaur> whoops, sorry, forgot about the meeting
[17:04] <slangasek> regardless, I'm in the same state as infinity - still to be done
[17:05] <infinity> slangasek: docker handling is in a state of flux (shock) after the CDO sprint, ignore that one for a bit.
[17:05] <infinity> slangasek: I've been having discussions with the server team about proposed plans and their relative sanity.
[17:05] <slangasek> infinity: gladly!
[17:06] <slangasek> [ACTION] slangasek to document juju exception on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
[17:06] <meetingology> ACTION: slangasek to document juju exception on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
[17:06] <slangasek> [ACTION] infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
[17:06] <meetingology> ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
[17:06] <slangasek> infinity: what's the action re: docker, then?
[17:06] <slangasek> (and for the record, no, docker had always been on that list :)
[17:06] <infinity> slangasek: Well, nothing to document until they've hashed out a plan of action and presented it.
[17:07] <infinity> slangasek: I've had a few meetings with rbasak and co, perhaps an action to just revisit status at the next meeting and make sure it's going somewhere.
[17:07] <slangasek> [ACTION] revisit status at next meeting of server plans for docker in 16.04
[17:07] <meetingology> ACTION: revisit status at next meeting of server plans for docker in 16.04
[17:07] <slangasek> infinity: look good?
[17:08] <infinity> Yep.
[17:09] <slangasek> [TOPIC] TB election
[17:09] <slangasek> according to the agenda, today's the last day of the call for nominees
[17:09] <slangasek> if you're on the board and want to stand again, don't forget to nominate yourself :)
[17:09] <pitti> right
[17:09] <pitti> we have 6 public nominations, haven't heard from Mark about privately sent ones
[17:09] <slangasek> (if you're here reading but not on the board and are interested, don't forget to nominate yourself!)
[17:10] <infinity> One of the public nominations isn't a core-dev. (or even MOTU)
[17:10] <pitti> FTR, I didn't candidate again; I did three terms (6 years), and I think we should shrink the board a bit as there's muuuch less work than it used to be
[17:11] <infinity> I think we should shrink it by 1, to get an odd number (minus Mark).
[17:11] <infinity> Since he never votes, and has absolute veto anyway.
[17:11] <slangasek> so what's the process for doing that?
[17:11] <slangasek> getting sabdfl to agree to change the number of seats?
[17:11] <infinity> No idea.  We lack a constitution.
[17:12] <infinity> So, yeah, I tihnk just getting sabdfl to agree.
[17:12] <slangasek> play tinny music on a record player during the TB election, then stop it suddenly and remove a seat?
[17:12] <slangasek> did someone already contact Mark about this? I saw infinity suggest this change previously but don't recall if it was written in a mail or whatnot
[17:13] <pitti> I didn't, I was hoping we could discuss that during the meeting
[17:13] <infinity> Yeah, I suggested it in the last meeting, but nothing formally-presented.
[17:14] <infinity> I think odd number (for tie-breakers) makes sense, and shrinking to 3 probably excludes too many points of view for healthy discussion, so I'd be happy with five.
[17:14] <mdeslaur> perhaps propose this to the list?
[17:14] <infinity> I can mail the list today, and CC Mark.
[17:14] <slangasek> pitti: discuss because you disagree with that proposal
[17:14] <slangasek> ?
[17:14] <pitti> or we could even vote
[17:15] <infinity> Right, I think it's worth us voting on, then proposing.
[17:15] <pitti> slangasek: I'm fine with 5
[17:15] <stgraber> I'm happy with it too
[17:15] <pitti> 3 would suffice too IMHO, but it'd get pretty lonely if someone can't attend the meeting
[17:16] <slangasek> #vote Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business
[17:16] <meetingology> Please vote on: Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business
[17:16] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[17:16] <pitti> but I totally agree to "odd number" in either case
[17:16] <pitti> +1
[17:16] <meetingology> +1 received from pitti
[17:16] <infinity> +1
[17:16] <stgraber> +1
[17:16] <meetingology> +1 received from infinity
[17:16] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[17:16] <slangasek> +1
[17:16] <meetingology> +1 received from slangasek
[17:16] <mdeslaur> +0
[17:16] <meetingology> +0 received from mdeslaur
[17:16] <kees> +1
[17:16] <meetingology> +1 received from kees
[17:16] <slangasek> #endvote
[17:16] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business
[17:16] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[17:16] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:16] <slangasek> excellent
[17:16] <infinity> Alright.  I'll mail later today after I've rested from kernel security madness.
[17:17] <slangasek> (and I didn't even fail at running the voting machine, which had me nervous after such disuse)
[17:17] <mdeslaur> hehe
[17:17] <infinity> (PS: People who release 0-day exploits at 5am should be shot)
[17:17] <slangasek> [ACTION] infinity to raise to sabdfl the proposal to reduce the number of TB members
[17:17] <meetingology> ACTION: infinity to raise to sabdfl the proposal to reduce the number of TB members
[17:17] <slangasek> ok
[17:17] <slangasek> no other agenda items in the wiki
[17:17] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[17:18] <pitti> I see nothign green except nominatinos
[17:18] <slangasek> there was also the mail from mhall about the Ubuntu Governance catch-up
[17:18] <pitti> "monitations", "nomnomnations"
[17:18] <pitti> that's in a month (Feb 18)
[17:19] <slangasek> which I've put on my calendar, and supposing I'm not re-elected will make sure I pass on to someone else
[17:19] <slangasek> pitti: May 19?
[17:19] <slangasek> oh, there are two
[17:19] <slangasek> CC and Ubuntu Governance
[17:19] <slangasek> I'm pretty sure I won't make the CC one fwiw
[17:19] <pitti> slangasek: mine from Jan 4 says CC-TB checkup is Feb
[17:20] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, two mails, two meetings.
[17:22] <slangasek> ok, nothing else on mailing list
[17:22] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs
[17:23] <infinity> Nada.
[17:23] <slangasek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard is empty
[17:23] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting
[17:23] <infinity> Assuming re-election, looks like it's stgraber.
[17:23] <infinity> If not, well, whee.
[17:23] <slangasek> I believe that's stgraber, followed by infinity
[17:23] <slangasek> ah yes, we expire EOM again :)
[17:24] <slangasek> [INFO] next chair (assuming reëlection): stgraber, backup is infinity
[17:24] <infinity> reëlection?
[17:24] <slangasek> ;)
[17:25] <infinity> Deadkeys gone wild?
[17:25] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[17:25] <slangasek> infinity: naw, deadkeys are evil; that's just me having fun
[17:25] <pitti> that actually looks right, it's a trema
[17:26] <slangasek> ok, anything else need discussing today?
[17:26] <infinity> It would be right without the first e.
[17:26] <infinity> And I think we might be all discussed out for the day.
[17:27] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[17:27] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 17:27:07 2016 UTC.
[17:27] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2016/ubuntu-meeting-2.2016-01-19-17.01.moin.txt
[17:27] <slangasek> ok then
[17:27] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[17:27] <pitti> thanks everyone
[17:27] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone!
[17:27] <kees> thanks!
[17:27] <pitti> now, happy campaigning! :-)
[17:27] <stgraber> thanks!
[17:28] <slangasek> :)
[17:28] <pitti> infinity: and FWIW, rëlection looks completely wrong
[17:28] <slangasek> it is wrong
[17:28] <infinity> Oh, wait.  Yeah.  I guess if you're using it in the "make it not silent" sense.
[17:28] <infinity> Derp.
[17:29] <pitti> if languages had any kind of consistency, and English would use tremas, reëlection would be fairly right given its pronounciation :)
[17:29] <pitti> ("re-el", not "reel")
[17:29]  * infinity nods.
[17:29] <pitti> no, in the "it's two distinct vowels", not a "joined" ones
[17:29] <pitti> Like Noël or Loïc
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[17:30] <pitti> bbl, thanks again
[17:30] <slangasek> usually called diaeresis in English rather than trema, and it's mostly replaced by a dash instead
[17:30] <slangasek> PS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis_%28diacritic%29 claims that a diaeresis is "also known as the umlaut" someone please fix ;)
[17:30] <pitti> yeah, I still know it from French; German has lost it as a Trema and uses it as umlauts, but it's long-gone from English as well
[17:31] <slangasek> pitti: not so long, it was in common usage in print through the 1960s and some American newspapers still had it in their style guides through the last decade
[17:31] <infinity> slangasek: The article goes on to explain the difference between a trema and an umlaut.
[17:32] <pitti> slangasek: oh interesting; do you know any example?
[17:32] <pitti> e. g. in German we pronounce "asteroid" as "o-id", not the "joined" sound like the English pronouncation
[17:32] <slangasek> this contributes to giving the use of diaeresis in English words the impression of being pompous and stuffy, which may or may not have been the effect I was going for
[17:32] <slangasek> pitti: examples of words or newspapers?
[17:32] <slangasek> coöperative
[17:32] <slangasek> and the New York Times
[17:32] <slangasek> respectively :)
[17:32] <pitti> in German we actually used to write "Asteroïd", but since German replaced that joined "oi" sound with "eu" the trema became obsolete
[17:33] <pitti> slangasek: ah interesting, so that's actually exactly like reëlection
[17:35]  * infinity goes to do one last security kernel publication and catch a short nap.
[17:36]  * pitti -> dinner and back to proposed-migration sprint
[17:36] <pitti> o/