=== MerryChristmas is now known as benonsftware === benonsftware is now known as benonsoftware [16:59] * slangasek waves [17:00] o/ [17:00] * stgraber waves [17:00] hi! [17:01] whee quorum [17:01] #startmeeting [17:01] Meeting started Tue Jan 19 17:01:34 2016 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [17:01] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [17:01] [TOPIC] Apologies [17:01] I haven't seen any apologies sent to the list [17:02] I can apologize for being here, if that helps. [17:02] looks like everyone is here, except mdeslaur and sabdfl? [17:02] yeah, I was looking for Mark on C IRC too, but he's not online [17:02] infinity: i refuse your apology! [17:03] kees: I refuse your refusal. Checkmate. [17:03] * kees bows [17:03] moving on :) [17:03] [TOPIC] Action review [17:03] ACTION: slangasek to document juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases [17:04] ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception [17:04] Oh crap. [17:04] ok, I swear docker wasn't on that list previously [17:04] I should do some maas stuff today. [17:04] mdeslaur: hi! [17:04] I think somebody editorial-changes-ed me [17:04] whoops, sorry, forgot about the meeting [17:04] regardless, I'm in the same state as infinity - still to be done [17:05] slangasek: docker handling is in a state of flux (shock) after the CDO sprint, ignore that one for a bit. [17:05] slangasek: I've been having discussions with the server team about proposed plans and their relative sanity. [17:05] infinity: gladly! [17:06] [ACTION] slangasek to document juju exception on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases [17:06] ACTION: slangasek to document juju exception on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases [17:06] [ACTION] infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception [17:06] ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception [17:06] infinity: what's the action re: docker, then? [17:06] (and for the record, no, docker had always been on that list :) [17:06] slangasek: Well, nothing to document until they've hashed out a plan of action and presented it. [17:07] slangasek: I've had a few meetings with rbasak and co, perhaps an action to just revisit status at the next meeting and make sure it's going somewhere. [17:07] [ACTION] revisit status at next meeting of server plans for docker in 16.04 [17:07] ACTION: revisit status at next meeting of server plans for docker in 16.04 [17:07] infinity: look good? [17:08] Yep. [17:09] [TOPIC] TB election [17:09] according to the agenda, today's the last day of the call for nominees [17:09] if you're on the board and want to stand again, don't forget to nominate yourself :) [17:09] right [17:09] we have 6 public nominations, haven't heard from Mark about privately sent ones [17:09] (if you're here reading but not on the board and are interested, don't forget to nominate yourself!) [17:10] One of the public nominations isn't a core-dev. (or even MOTU) [17:10] FTR, I didn't candidate again; I did three terms (6 years), and I think we should shrink the board a bit as there's muuuch less work than it used to be [17:11] I think we should shrink it by 1, to get an odd number (minus Mark). [17:11] Since he never votes, and has absolute veto anyway. [17:11] so what's the process for doing that? [17:11] getting sabdfl to agree to change the number of seats? [17:11] No idea. We lack a constitution. [17:12] So, yeah, I tihnk just getting sabdfl to agree. [17:12] play tinny music on a record player during the TB election, then stop it suddenly and remove a seat? [17:12] did someone already contact Mark about this? I saw infinity suggest this change previously but don't recall if it was written in a mail or whatnot [17:13] I didn't, I was hoping we could discuss that during the meeting [17:13] Yeah, I suggested it in the last meeting, but nothing formally-presented. [17:14] I think odd number (for tie-breakers) makes sense, and shrinking to 3 probably excludes too many points of view for healthy discussion, so I'd be happy with five. [17:14] perhaps propose this to the list? [17:14] I can mail the list today, and CC Mark. [17:14] pitti: discuss because you disagree with that proposal [17:14] ? [17:14] or we could even vote [17:15] Right, I think it's worth us voting on, then proposing. [17:15] slangasek: I'm fine with 5 [17:15] I'm happy with it too [17:15] 3 would suffice too IMHO, but it'd get pretty lonely if someone can't attend the meeting [17:16] #vote Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business [17:16] Please vote on: Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business [17:16] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [17:16] but I totally agree to "odd number" in either case [17:16] +1 [17:16] +1 received from pitti [17:16] +1 [17:16] +1 [17:16] +1 received from infinity [17:16] +1 received from stgraber [17:16] +1 [17:16] +1 received from slangasek [17:16] +0 [17:16] +0 received from mdeslaur [17:16] +1 [17:16] +1 received from kees [17:16] #endvote [17:16] Voting ended on: Propose to sabdfl to reduce the number of TB members by one to five, giving an odd number of members for regular business [17:16] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [17:16] Motion carried [17:16] excellent [17:16] Alright. I'll mail later today after I've rested from kernel security madness. [17:17] (and I didn't even fail at running the voting machine, which had me nervous after such disuse) [17:17] hehe [17:17] (PS: People who release 0-day exploits at 5am should be shot) [17:17] [ACTION] infinity to raise to sabdfl the proposal to reduce the number of TB members [17:17] ACTION: infinity to raise to sabdfl the proposal to reduce the number of TB members [17:17] ok [17:17] no other agenda items in the wiki [17:17] [TOPIC] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item) [17:18] I see nothign green except nominatinos [17:18] there was also the mail from mhall about the Ubuntu Governance catch-up [17:18] "monitations", "nomnomnations" [17:18] that's in a month (Feb 18) [17:19] which I've put on my calendar, and supposing I'm not re-elected will make sure I pass on to someone else [17:19] pitti: May 19? [17:19] oh, there are two [17:19] CC and Ubuntu Governance [17:19] I'm pretty sure I won't make the CC one fwiw [17:19] slangasek: mine from Jan 4 says CC-TB checkup is Feb [17:20] pitti: Yeah, two mails, two meetings. [17:22] ok, nothing else on mailing list [17:22] [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs [17:23] Nada. [17:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bugs?field.assignee=techboard is empty [17:23] [TOPIC] Select a chair for the next meeting [17:23] Assuming re-election, looks like it's stgraber. [17:23] If not, well, whee. [17:23] I believe that's stgraber, followed by infinity [17:23] ah yes, we expire EOM again :) [17:24] [INFO] next chair (assuming reëlection): stgraber, backup is infinity [17:24] reëlection? [17:24] ;) [17:25] Deadkeys gone wild? [17:25] [TOPIC] AOB [17:25] infinity: naw, deadkeys are evil; that's just me having fun [17:25] that actually looks right, it's a trema [17:26] ok, anything else need discussing today? [17:26] It would be right without the first e. [17:26] And I think we might be all discussed out for the day. [17:27] #endmeeting [17:27] Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 17:27:07 2016 UTC. [17:27] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2016/ubuntu-meeting-2.2016-01-19-17.01.moin.txt [17:27] ok then [17:27] thanks, all! [17:27] thanks everyone [17:27] thanks everyone! [17:27] thanks! [17:27] now, happy campaigning! :-) [17:27] thanks! [17:28] :) [17:28] infinity: and FWIW, rëlection looks completely wrong [17:28] it is wrong [17:28] Oh, wait. Yeah. I guess if you're using it in the "make it not silent" sense. [17:28] Derp. [17:29] if languages had any kind of consistency, and English would use tremas, reëlection would be fairly right given its pronounciation :) [17:29] ("re-el", not "reel") [17:29] * infinity nods. [17:29] no, in the "it's two distinct vowels", not a "joined" ones [17:29] Like Noël or Loïc [17:30] [17:30] [17:30] bbl, thanks again [17:30] usually called diaeresis in English rather than trema, and it's mostly replaced by a dash instead [17:30] PS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis_%28diacritic%29 claims that a diaeresis is "also known as the umlaut" someone please fix ;) [17:30] yeah, I still know it from French; German has lost it as a Trema and uses it as umlauts, but it's long-gone from English as well [17:31] pitti: not so long, it was in common usage in print through the 1960s and some American newspapers still had it in their style guides through the last decade [17:31] slangasek: The article goes on to explain the difference between a trema and an umlaut. [17:32] slangasek: oh interesting; do you know any example? [17:32] e. g. in German we pronounce "asteroid" as "o-id", not the "joined" sound like the English pronouncation [17:32] this contributes to giving the use of diaeresis in English words the impression of being pompous and stuffy, which may or may not have been the effect I was going for [17:32] pitti: examples of words or newspapers? [17:32] coöperative [17:32] and the New York Times [17:32] respectively :) [17:32] in German we actually used to write "Asteroïd", but since German replaced that joined "oi" sound with "eu" the trema became obsolete [17:33] slangasek: ah interesting, so that's actually exactly like reëlection [17:35] * infinity goes to do one last security kernel publication and catch a short nap. [17:36] * pitti -> dinner and back to proposed-migration sprint [17:36] o/