[15:59] <kickinz1> o/
[15:59] <arges> o/
[16:00] <teward> o/
[16:00] <rbasak> o/
[16:00] <jgrimm> o/
[16:00] <caribou> o/
[16:01] <zul> hi
[16:01] <zul> #startmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 19 16:01:11 2016 UTC.  The chair is zul. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:01] <zul> #action Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <meetingology> ACTION: Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <zul> was there any action points from the previous meeting
[16:02] <cpaelzer> late o/
[16:02] <teward> thought there wasn't a previous meeting?
[16:02] <teward> (one was missed, I think)
[16:02] <zul> ok then
[16:03] <zul> action: Xenial Development
[16:03] <zul> jgrim: do you want to take this one
[16:04] <zul> jgrimm: ^^^
[16:04] <zul> #topic  Xenial Development
[16:04]  * jgrimm notices
[16:05] <zul> smoser: ^^^
[16:05] <jgrimm> feature freeze on its way Feb 18
[16:05] <jgrimm> mad scramble for merges, would love more help. most important packages for merge being tracked in blueprint.
[16:06] <jgrimm> but as this is an LTS release ideally would get currency across as much as feasibly possible
[16:06] <zul> cool anything else?
[16:06] <jgrimm> that's abou tit
[16:06] <jgrimm> about it. eek
[16:06] <teward> just for FYI awareness...
[16:06] <zul> #topic Assigned bugwork (rbasak)
[16:07] <zul> teward: go ahead
[16:07] <teward> nginx 1.9.9-1ubuntu1 merged in on the 16th, after a -0ubuntu1 direct upload due to Debian being months behind
[16:07] <teward> (from the 6th)
[16:07] <rbasak> I've deferred bug work in favour of focusing on merges from the blueprint for now.
[16:07] <teward> just wanted to give that as an awareness / FYI, with no additional action items there :)
[16:07] <rbasak> Thanks teward!
[16:07] <jgrimm> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-x-server-core
[16:07] <rbasak> teward is so on the ball with nginx, I didn't think it necessary to create a blueprint item to track it.
[16:08] <teward> rbasak: may wish to for the post-FF ones, though I have to add to my workflow to poke the Release team for FF review, with each new version made available
[16:08] <teward> (especially with SRU post-release, for 1.10.x)
[16:08] <rbasak> Understood, thanks.
[16:08] <rbasak> Shall I add a work item for 1.10.x?
[16:09] <teward> that's the ultimate goal, but that's something to look for in March/April
[16:09] <teward> since nginx upstream won't be releasing 1.10.x until around that time, most likely after Xenial is released
[16:09] <teward> (so that would be a post-Xenial SRU as soon as that's available)
[16:09] <teward> rbasak: up to you whether you want the 1.9.x tasks added, for keeping it up to date with upstream/Debian
[16:10] <zul> anything else?
[16:10] <rbasak> OK, I've added a task for 1.10.x, marked as blocked. It may well be that we release without it, in which case we can translate that to an SRU bug.
[16:10] <zul> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:10] <caribou> o/
[16:10] <zul> caribou: anything?
[16:10] <rbasak> caribou: congratulations!
[16:10] <caribou> I'm almost done with the nut merge
[16:10] <caribou> rbasak: thanks!
[16:11] <jgrimm> caribou, nice!
[16:11]  * caribou got voted as Core Dev for those following on TV
[16:11] <rbasak> caribou is our newest core dev, as of yesterday.
[16:11] <zul> sweet
[16:11] <jgrimm> caribou, congratulations!!!!
[16:11] <cpaelzer> gz caribou!
[16:11] <kickinz1> caribou, \o/
[16:11] <caribou> thanks everyone ! I'll be more effective to help out
[16:11] <jgrimm> indeed
[16:12] <arges> woo hoo
[16:12] <caribou> I have a question to bring up regarding HA support (clvm + dlm)
[16:12] <caribou> maybe a good time now or later during AOB
[16:12] <caribou> ?
[16:13] <caribou> want to discuss it now ?
[16:13]  * rbasak looks at zul
[16:14] <zul> up to you
[16:14] <zul> im double booked right now
[16:14] <caribou> right now, clvm is in main but dlm is in Universe
[16:14] <caribou> libdlm3 in main though. We have people who want a supported solution to implement shared storage
[16:15] <caribou> jgrimm: it would be important for our next LTS to have a clear statement on how we support shared storage access with clvm
[16:15] <zul> agreed
[16:16] <rbasak> So this is a question of what we want in main?
[16:16] <caribou> at the same time, the dlm package has been uninstallable for two years with only one people complaining
[16:16] <rbasak> That's a question for Canonical I guess, so between jgrimm and kirkland.
[16:16] <caribou> rbasak: yes, what we want to offer in main (not only Canonical; do we want to demote clvm out of main ?)
[16:17] <caribou> rbasak: but I agree, I can take it with jgrimm & Dustin
[16:17] <jgrimm> caribou, yes please.
[16:18] <caribou> other than that I'm good, nothing else
[16:18] <caribou> thanks again !
[16:18] <zul> ok moving on
[16:18] <zul> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:19] <zul> he aint here...
[16:19] <zul> anyone have anything?
[16:19] <teward> there's one action item on there
[16:19] <teward> underneath there, though if matsubara's not here maybe it needs to be delayed to next meeting?
[16:19] <zul> fine with me :)
[16:19] <teward> thoughts from the others on the team, whether we push the QA issue to next meeting, due to Matsubara's absense?
[16:19] <teward> absence*
[16:20] <teward> oop there's matsubara, maybe
[16:20] <matsubara> sorry, ISP issues
[16:20] <rbasak> Did Phill's subsequent email to the ML retract this agenda point? That wasn't clear to me. Is he here?
[16:20] <phillw> o/
[16:20] <matsubara> I was trying to connect back to join the meeting
[16:21] <rbasak> phillw: o/
[16:21] <matsubara> just to clarify the issue further, we do have smoke tests (automated) for i386 running. I think phillw concerns were about the iso tracker manual tests (that's from what I understand about the issue)
[16:21] <rbasak> phillw: did you still want to raise this with matsubara?
[16:21] <matsubara> not sure at what point we are at the meeting
[16:22] <phillw> yeah, I can arrange for the manual tests on the iso tracker to be arried out periodically if the team maintains that version.
[16:22] <rbasak> "    32-bit QA and Support Discussion (phillw) " is where I think we are.
[16:22] <phillw> *carried
[16:22] <matsubara> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/Smoke%20Testing/
[16:23] <matsubara> that shows that we do have i386 automated tests for trusty isos
[16:23] <matsubara> and it's in my todo list to move those to our https://server-team-jenkins.canonical.com/ instance and of course update them to include xenial tests as well
[16:24] <hggdh> just a question: we have not been smoke-testing Xenial on i386?
[16:26] <matsubara> hggdh, for some reason they haven't run for a long time, I'll look into it. I've been bad at monitoring those tests runs
[16:26] <zul> anything else?
[16:26] <hggdh> one more pont
[16:26] <hggdh> point*
[16:27] <hggdh> I ould like to know if we are going to keep on doing i386 tests; also, are we going to re-introduce manual testing, or is the team's opinion that the automated smoke tests are enough?
[16:29] <matsubara> I think the automated tests we have are enough and cover the main workflows with server installs
[16:29] <jgrimm> matsubara, i'd like to understand what the differences are tho
[16:30] <rbasak> Shall we defer this, and then matsubara can maybe give us a full answer next week?
[16:30] <jgrimm> between automated smoke vs manual tests, and where/when the manual tests have historically been run.  seems like we need to come back next week with a bit more data and opinion.
[16:30] <jgrimm> rbasak, agreed
[16:30] <rbasak> zul: an action for matsubara please?
[16:30] <zul> rbasak: for?
[16:31] <rbasak> matsubara to research and answer whether we want to resume manual testing for i386
[16:31] <hggdh> a more knowledge-based response to jgrimm's points
[16:31] <zul> action: Matsubara to research and answer whether we want to resume manual testing for i386
[16:31] <matsubara> jgrimm, I think mainly process wise but I might be wrong. the only mandatory ones in the ISO tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/110651/testcases/1403/results are basically covered by the https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/Smoke%20Testing/job/trusty-server-amd64-smoke-lvm/ for example
[16:31] <zul> #action: Matsubara to research and answer whether we want to resume manual testing for i386
[16:31] <meetingology> ACTION: : Matsubara to research and answer whether we want to resume manual testing for i386
[16:31] <rbasak> Thanks!
[16:31] <matsubara> but that's fine I can take that action and explaing further
[16:31] <zul> anything else?
[16:31] <jgrimm> thank you matsubara
[16:32] <matsubara> thanks zul, rbasak, jgrimm, teward and phillw
[16:32] <hggdh> phillw: this was your point. No comments?
[16:32] <matsubara> oh and hggdh too
[16:32] <hggdh> heh
[16:32] <zul> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:32] <hggdh> matsubara: I am still alive :-)
[16:32] <matsubara> nice to see you around hggdh, long time, no talk!
[16:32] <zul> arges: i know you are around
[16:32] <phillw> i will put in diary to be here next meeting, Thanks,
[16:32] <arges> zul: nothing here
[16:32] <arges> ..
[16:32] <arges> oh
[16:33] <arges> doing the libvirt merge
[16:33] <arges> .
[16:33] <hggdh> matsubara: indeed
[16:33] <kickinz1> arges, I had some kernel traces when running schroot on top of btrfs with a bcache backend. Di you see the bug?
[16:33] <zul> arges: ok cool
[16:33] <arges> kickinz1: nope whats the bug#?
[16:34] <zul> anything for arges?
[16:34] <kickinz1> arge https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1532145
[16:34] <arges> kickinz1: ok i'll tag it so we work on it
[16:34] <arges> thanks
[16:34] <kickinz1> arges, np
[16:34] <zul> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:35] <zul> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:35] <zul> there is something in california this week and fossdem is next week (ill be there)
[16:35] <zul> anyting else?
[16:36] <zul> if not
[16:36] <zul> #topic Open Discussion
[16:36] <zul> anything to bring up
[16:36] <zul> if not
[16:36] <zul> #endmeeting
[16:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 16:36:47 2016 UTC.
[16:36] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-01-19-16.01.moin.txt
[16:36] <zul> thanks
[16:37] <kickinz1> Thanks zul.
[16:40] <jgrimm> thanks zul