[12:25] <bluesabre> flocculant: new PPA for catfish with stable, unstable, and daily builds: https://code.launchpad.net/~catfish-search/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:25] <bluesabre> flocculant: planning on doing similar for the other individual apps we have
[12:28] <bluesabre> Unit193: still looking into https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=811324, but based on what I've seen so far, pybuild with python3.5 is running unittests that do not exist, and dies
[12:28] <bluesabre> PPA solution: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~catfish-search/+junk/catfish-daily-debian/revision/3
[12:29] <bluesabre> (probably not a reasonable official solution) :D
[13:10] <flocculant> bluesabre: cheers - I did see your comments the other day about this
[13:11] <flocculant> which one would you want *me* to use, which one *testers generally* ?
[18:55] <pleia2> knome: did we ever find a way around the brokenness of resizing images in xubuntu.org interface, or should I just upload _sm files too again?
[18:58] <pleia2> anyway, another "xubuntu at" draft is up sans pictures
[19:05] <slickymaster> Unit193, not quite sure I'll be able to attend the meeting
[19:05] <Unit193> OK.
[19:08] <pleia2> I'll finally get to attend \o/
[19:10] <Unit193> pleia2: Bummer it'll be the one I chair. :P
[19:10] <pleia2> you'll do fine
[20:40] <Unit193> [20:51] <flocculant> not going to be here ... or at least not beginning :)
[20:52] <Unit193> That's OK, I have no idea about most of the topics anyway.
[21:00] <Unit193> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
[21:00] <Unit193> #chair ochosi knome
[21:00] <Unit193> Howdy and welcome to the Xubuntu community meeting.  Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 19 21:00:00 2016 UTC.  The chair is Unit193. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: Unit193 knome ochosi
[21:00] <Unit193> So anyone else here or can I do a veeeery short one?
[21:00] <krytarik> I'm here.
[21:02] <pleia2> o/
[21:02] <Unit193> Nice.
[21:02] <Unit193> #topic Open action items
[21:02] <Unit193> (I know of none.)
[21:03] <Unit193> #topic Updates and Announcements
[21:03] <Unit193> Anyone have anything to announce?
[21:04] <pleia2> nope
[21:04] <Unit193> Looks like Numix will work out, just have to compile the SASS, and that's already in the PPA now.
[21:04] <Unit193> #topic Discussion items
[21:04] <Unit193> #subtopic Volunteers for running a 16.04 Community Wallpaper contest?
[21:05] <Unit193> I believe bluesabre is setting up a submission form, but apart from that..
[21:05] <pleia2> knome said he'd announce it, and we'll share on the social medias
[21:06] <pleia2> I think
[21:06] <pleia2> or maybe that was just to find volunteers :)
[21:06] <Unit193> Alright, I missed that part too.
[21:07] <Unit193> So moving on.
[21:07] <Unit193> #subtopic Ubuntu Software Center will be replaced by Gnome Software in Xenial
[21:07] <Unit193> Where do we stand on this? (There are not too many alternatives apart from Synaptic or CLI)
[21:08] <Unit193> It seems very basic, and last I knew it didn't exactly find new applications well, if at all.
[21:08] <Unit193> (it'll get there, but still very basic.)
[21:09] <pleia2> I don't know anything about this
[21:09] <Unit193> Anyone have any comments, remarks, or test results from trying it out?  There's a test PPA for it.
[21:10] <Unit193> Ubuntu isn't going to be using USC, GNOME Software seems to be what they're going for (it works on appstream files, integration work is ongoing in Debian and either just started or getting ready to start in Ubuntu.)
[21:11]  * pleia2 nods
[21:12] <Unit193> Alright, so if there's nothing else on that one either...
[21:12] <Unit193> #subtopic Alpha 2 participation
[21:13] <Unit193> I, as always, defer to flocculant on that one.  If it gets more testing, that's great, and maybe a couple more RC releases would be useful since it's an LTS.
[21:15] <pleia2> for reference, a2 lands on January 28th
[21:15] <pleia2> only 10 days away
[21:15] <ochosi> hi
[21:15] <ochosi> sorry for being late
[21:16] <ochosi> Unit193: since there aren't so many ppl around, mind if i quickly add a comment to gnome software?
[21:16] <Unit193> I don't think I've noticed anything horrible in it now.
[21:16] <Unit193> ochosi: Suuuure.
[21:17] <ochosi> alright, so just very quickly: my stance is that we should definitely check it out, but in the end i'd go with following ubuntu's lead
[21:17] <ochosi> even if it seems terrible in the alpha stage that it is in now
[21:18] <ochosi> if USC isn't maintained anymore, that's fairly bad for LTS
[21:18] <ochosi> even though i don't really know how much they fixed/improved since they first released USC, having not-anymore-maintained software in LTS is sort of a no-no to me
[21:19] <Unit193> Right, not really an option there, unless everyone else would be fine going with Synaptic.
[21:19] <pleia2> heh
[21:19] <ochosi> i presume that if gnome software is still horrible in beta even ubuntu might go back to USC for LTS and switch in 16.10
[21:19] <ochosi> hehe, well synaptic is still the same as it ever was
[21:19] <Unit193> GTK3 at least.
[21:20] <ochosi> i'd rather not change to something completely different for LTS
[21:20] <Unit193> Well either way, it's going to be a big change.
[21:20] <ochosi> after 16.04, i'd be fine with exploring our options and just seeing how our (vocal) user-base reacts to such a change
[21:20] <ochosi> yeah, or not. depends on what ubuntu ends up doing
[21:20] <ochosi> ok, so that was it from my side
[21:21] <Unit193> ochosi: Anything on alpha release?
[21:22] <slickymaster> o/
[21:22] <slickymaster> still made it
[21:22] <ochosi> in terms of alpha, i'm not sure, yeah more testing is good
[21:22] <slickymaster> at least part of it
[21:22] <ochosi> then again bluesabre said that not so much has changed since 15.10
[21:23] <Unit193> Frontend or backend?
[21:23] <ochosi> i for one likely wouldn't be around to do the effort of actually releasing the alpha, so i'd leave the final decision to bluesabre and flocculant 
[21:24] <Unit193> Sounds good to me.
[21:24] <ochosi> Unit193: i presume frontend, but i've only done rudimentary xenial testing so far
[21:24] <ochosi> not even a hardware install
[21:24] <ochosi> and in vbox you don't notice many things
[21:24] <slickymaster> yeah, the tests I've done in VBox all went smoothly
[21:25] <ochosi> so yeah, i haven't really heard many arguments in favor of doing an alpha (apart from potentially more testing/feedback)
[21:25] <Unit193> ochosi: Yeah we'll just defer to them then.
[21:25] <ochosi> cool
[21:25] <Unit193> #subtopic QA IRC package testing session
[21:25] <Unit193> slickymaster: ↑
[21:25] <ochosi> Unit193: feel free to give them an action item or something btw
[21:25] <slickymaster> as far as I know flocculant is on top of that
[21:26] <slickymaster> whether that session will occur will depend on the number of interested 
[21:27] <slickymaster> it's schedule to the 31st
[21:27] <Unit193> Alright, so anything we're supposed to do for the subtopic?
[21:28] <slickymaster> I guess nothing much
[21:28] <Unit193> #subtopic Themes
[21:28] <Unit193> ochosi: ↑?
[21:29] <ochosi> well i'm still trying to iron out some minor issues with Greybird, but the good news is that it works okayish with the last commits from git
[21:29] <ochosi> Numix is currently unmaintained and will likely remain as is for the rest of the dev cycle
[21:29] <ochosi> so we
[21:29] <Unit193> GTK3.16 problems?
[21:29] <ochosi> 'll have to evaluate how well the SASS branch works
[21:29] <ochosi> gtk3.18 in xenial
[21:30] <ochosi> and then decide whether we want to include it as is
[21:30] <ochosi> i think bluesabre already did some packaging, so shimmer daily PPA should be the way to go
[21:30] <Unit193> As I noted above, yeah.
[21:30] <ochosi> #info All xenial testers that experience theme issues shall use the shimmer daily PPA to get the latest versions of our themes, Numix and Greybird
[21:31] <Unit193> Want to note anything about pidgin?
[21:31] <ochosi> another piece of info is that i worked on a pidgin status icon theme, it's practically finished but pidgin seemingly doesn't support system-wide themes
[21:31] <ochosi> so we might have to patch that support in
[21:32] <ochosi> (yeah, was going to mention that anyway ;))
[21:32] <Unit193> :D
[21:32] <Unit193> Well I knew something, so had to say it.
[21:32] <ochosi> i'm not a huge fan of just overwriting the default theme, which is what most theme installers i found on the interwebs suggest you do
[21:32] <ochosi> (or put it in every users home dir, which is also not kewl)
[21:32] <Unit193> Yeah that's not going to fly for packaging.
[21:32] <Unit193> Either one.
[21:33] <ochosi> also, still some issues around our libreoffice icons, i'm not really sure of the status upstream
[21:33] <ochosi> and whether the icon theme has been included somehow
[21:33] <ochosi> and whether we can set it as default now
[21:33] <ochosi> bluesabre will hopefully be on top of that one too
[21:34] <Unit193> Sounds fun, we'll assign that to bluesabre too.
[21:34] <Unit193> Anyone have anything for the next subtopic?  Or can we skip it?
[21:34] <ochosi> added a workitem for xubuntu-dev
[21:34] <ochosi> well, you..?
[21:35] <Unit193> No.
[21:35]  * ochosi doesn't know anything about the status of -core anymore
[21:35] <slickymaster> I have been testing Unit193's images
[21:35] <Unit193> #subtopic Core image
[21:35] <slickymaster> both 32 and 64 bits
[21:35] <Unit193> ochosi: Sure you do, same as it's always been "pending on merge"
[21:36] <ochosi> Unit193: oh meh, still.. i had hoped knome had done more poking meanwhile
[21:36] <Unit193> ochosi: There's some disagreement on how they should show up on cdimage, infinity seems to understand quite well while xnox and maybe slang don't get it.
[21:36] <ochosi> :/
[21:36] <Unit193> ochosi: The MP has a comment or two new, and there's a bit of log to read from -devel, but yeah there's otherwise nothing new.
[21:36] <Unit193> slickymaster: Anything broken? :P
[21:37] <slickymaster> nothing so far
[21:37] <slickymaster> I'd had tell you if it wre
[21:37] <slickymaster> * were
[21:37] <Unit193> Great, well thanks then.
[21:38] <slickymaster> besides the fact that -core size is growing
[21:38] <ochosi> what size is it now?
[21:38] <slickymaster> ~aroun 600 MB
[21:38] <slickymaster> +d 
[21:39] <slickymaster> correction, around 700 MB
[21:39] <Unit193> Not a whole lot I can do while sticking with how cdimage would build them.  Ubuntu as a whole is getting a bit bloated under the hood, or more so.  Could do diffs on the manifests though I suppose.
[21:40] <slickymaster> yeah, that's true
[21:40] <ochosi> hmm, still sounds acceptable
[21:40] <Unit193> "acceptable"
[21:41] <Unit193> Anything else?
[21:41] <slickymaster> nothing from me
[21:41] <Unit193> #topic Announcements
[21:42] <pleia2> we have a new Xubuntu At... article pending
[21:42] <pleia2> hopefully getting it up this week
[21:42] <pleia2> that's all I've got
[21:43] <Unit193> There's some dates coming up, A2 and then FF end of Feb.
[21:44] <Unit193> #action slickymaster to schedule next meeting.
[21:44] <meetingology> ACTION: slickymaster to schedule next meeting.
[21:44] <Unit193> #endmeeting
[21:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 21:44:35 2016 UTC.  
[21:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2016/xubuntu-devel.2016-01-19-21.00.moin.txt
[21:44] <ochosi> pleia2: great, looking forward to that!
[21:44] <ochosi> thanks for the meeting Unit193 
[21:45] <slickymaster> thanks Unit193 
[21:45] <Unit193> Thanks for showing up.
[21:45] <Unit193> 'Welcome.
[21:45] <pleia2> thanks Unit193 
[21:51]  * flocculant managed to read backlog
[21:51] <flocculant> thanks Unit193 
[21:51] <Unit193> flocculant: Sorry about your topics.
[21:51] <Unit193> flocculant: Wiki finally let me in though!
[21:52] <flocculant> no problem
[21:52] <flocculant> irc session will happen on 31st - just time to decide on tomorrow
[22:54] <ochosi> any pidgin users here?
[22:58] <ochosi> if there are and they show up later, here's a link in case you wanna test something: https://github.com/shimmerproject/pidgin-elementary
[23:03] <ochosi> night everyone!
[23:06] <Unit193> Yes, Knight everyone!
[23:13] <bluesabre> evening everyone!
[23:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: We defaulted to assigning things to you.
[23:13] <bluesabre> so I see
[23:13] <bluesabre> I'll be working hard these next few weeks, woo!