[03:54] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/01/bq-confirms-ubuntu-tablet-with-convergence-is-coming
[04:03] <MCMic> Will convergence be available on older ubuntu phones as an update when it’s ready?
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> MCMic: im not sure how convergence will connect via usb or hdmi...so not sure if all devices will be able to convergence
[04:07] <MCMic> :-/
[04:07] <MCMic> I hoped with some kind of USB adaptator it would be possible
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> that would be cool :p
[04:09] <MCMic> I saw a video of a dev doing it with a USBtoscreen adaptator (don’t remember if it was HDMI or something else) and bluetooth keyboard/mouse.
[04:10] <MCMic> It would of course be easier if could plug USB keyboard/mouse.
[04:10] <Stanley00> but BQ just drop support for Aquaris E5 after less than half year. I cannot find any download page for it on bq.com :(
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> Stanley00: hmmm didnt know that
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> meizu also stopped pfff
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> now i read canonical has still plans with edge...
[04:12] <Stanley00> yay, edge was very cool before, but for now, still cool but not so much
[04:16] <lpotter> MCMic: it depends on hardware support for slimport
[04:18] <lpotter> and currently, nexus 4 & 7 have slimport support
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> cool i got a n7
[04:21] <lpotter> you will need a slimport adaptor. they are fairly cheap
[04:59] <MCMic> How does screenshots are taken on ubuntu touch?
[05:03] <Stanley00> MCMic: with both volume keys pressed
[05:03] <MCMic> Thanks
[05:04] <MCMic> What is the launchpad project for the app store of ubuntu touch? Is the translation made by the comunity? There seem to be a confusion between free as in freedom and free as in free beer in the french translation
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> MCMic: you got an url of the example you mean?
[05:08] <MCMic> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+source/unity-scope-click/+pots/unity-scope-click/fr/+translate?memo=10&start=10 problem is here
[05:09] <MCMic> «FREE» is translated by «LIBRES», not sure why this is plural in french, and I’m pretty sure the original meaning was «price=0» and not «free software»
[05:10] <dobey> the unity-scope-click ubuntu package is the app store, but translations come from ubuntu-translations project iirc (or maybe ubuntu-translators, can't remember exactly what it's called)
[05:16] <MCMic> What is a «click app»?
[05:19] <dobey> click is the package format
[05:20] <dobey> i don't think "click app" appears anywhere in the translatable strings though
[05:24] <dobey> oh it does i see. that is a bug
[05:27] <dobey> well, they are, but not shown in the UI anywhere afaik
[05:27] <dobey> but definitely a bug
[05:28] <dobey> maybe i'll fix that tomorrow
[05:28] <dobey> but for now, sleep
[05:38] <MCMic> dobey: http://mcmic.haxx.es/fotoo/i/75/6YIqXyRfg.screenshot20160120_120341783.png
[05:39] <MCMic> dobey: It’s written «LIBRES» under the author name while the app is not under a free license. I contacted the french translator who wrote this translation on launchpad (mbalthazar iirc)
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> MCMic: he went to sleep
[05:40] <MCMic> lotuspsychje: Yeah I read that :-)
[05:40] <MCMic> lotuspsychje: But as he’s still online I suppose he will see the backlog next time.
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> MCMic: http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Free-Telegram-for-Ubuntu-Touch-App-Lands-in-the-Store-472384-2.jpg
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> english shows also 'free'
[05:43] <MCMic> lotuspsychje: But that means free license or price=0?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> free means free right no costs..
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> MCMic: everything on ubuntu touch should be opensource
[05:46] <MCMic> lotuspsychje: Then the french word should be «GRATUIT», not LIBRE
[05:46] <MCMic> lotuspsychje: The game in my screenshot is not «libre».
[05:46] <MCMic> lotuspsychje: See http://mcmic.haxx.es/fotoo/i/ce/6YIqYAGca.screenshot20160120_120921511.png
[05:46] <MCMic> It does say «license: proprietary»
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> yeah it should say gratuit indeed
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> MCMic: file a new bug
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> MCMic: they will surely fix
[05:47] <MCMic> lotuspsychje: Maybe I wait for an answer of the translator I contacted first, no?
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> MCMic: i would file a bug, if it doesnt exist yet..you found one right
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> MCMic: check the bug filling link in topic
[05:50] <MCMic> What is «ciborium» by the way?
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> MCMic: where did you find that
[05:52] <MCMic> lotuspsychje: In the list of apps in the bug filing link, and it was also mentionned by someone on an SD card unmounting bug I was following.
[05:52] <davmor2> MCMic: it is part of the system that handles SDCards on touch devices
[05:52] <MCMic> ok
[05:54] <davmor2> MCMic: it basically is the bit that talks to the android stack to access the sdcards, handles mounting unmounting and hotplugging etc so you can get to the card.
[05:56] <MCMic> davmor2: On Ubuntu desktop this is done by gvfs no?
[07:51] <V99> hi
[09:00] <OerHeks> hmmmm Bq M10 Ubuntu Edition – On Sale in April
[09:00] <OerHeks> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/01/bq-confirms-ubuntu-tablet-with-convergence-is-coming
[09:00] <V99> yeah :D
[09:03] <Nycticebuscoucan> Hello can I connect the auquaris e4.5 to a 802.1x EAP network
[09:04] <V99> OerHeks: but nothing from convergence to E5
[09:06] <Nycticebuscoucan> the only thing i can find in the phone which resembles is dynamic wep (802.1x) but this is not the same isn't it? at least I cannot set an anonymous identity...
[09:09] <Nycticebuscoucan> Oh i got it using WPA Enterprise...
[09:10] <Nycticebuscoucan> Still i am struggeling arranging the app symbols in the app scope - how can they be moved?
[09:11] <MCMic> Nycticebuscoucan: Not sure they can they are in alphabetical order no?
[09:12] <Nycticebuscoucan> yes
[09:12] <MCMic> Nycticebuscoucan: You can choose the order of the apps in the app launcher on the left through. (it might be the easiest if you want fast access to some apps)
[09:13] <Nycticebuscoucan> the problem is that the launcher is already quite "busy" :)
[09:13] <Nycticebuscoucan> so I wanted to sort this menu too
[09:16] <MCMic> I think you can’t
[09:16] <MCMic> But there are categories to help you find the app you want
[09:16] <Stanley00> and also, you can always search for the app name
[09:25] <JanC> V99: how would you do convergence with a phone that you can't connect to a larger screen?
[09:27] <MCMic> JanC: There is really no way to plug a screen with the usb and some external device?
[09:31] <Draxxen89> hi to all
[09:32] <Draxxen89> ubuntu touch can run steam gmes?
[09:32] <JanC> MCMic: maybe possible, but it probably wouldn't be very practically usable (also because the phone is rather limited in CPU & RAM resources)
[09:32] <Draxxen89> games
[09:33] <MCMic> hum, that’s really sad
[09:33] <Draxxen89> if can only i could make ma galaxy s3 run a steam game :"C
 do you think ubuntu touch can run steam games?
[09:36] <Draxxen89> just asking plz don't get angry
[09:41] <android_freak> A noob question: From my knowledge, Ubuntu touch is GNU/Linux distro with most of GNU lib included while Android is Bionic/Linux with very few GNU lib, tools included
[09:42] <android_freak> So, my first question is: On wiki I read that Bionic is much optimised for speed and tuned for low clock freq arch. So, how does GNU/Linux Ubuntu perform good compared to android?
[09:44] <MCMic> android_freak: From what I know ubuntu touch use a linux kernel close to the android one (and it uses android drivers I think)
[09:46] <Stanley00> android_freak: maybe, because android run java, and ubuntu run native apps?
[10:03] <android_freak> to be more specific: A full-fledged Linux terminal is available on Ubuntu touch but not on Android
[10:04] <android_freak> as android doesn't use GNU libraries like other GNU/Linux distros
[10:04] <android_freak> So, Android is basically not a GNU/Linux distro like desktop Ubuntu or debian
[10:05] <android_freak> but Android uses Linux kernel at its core and on top it has Bionic, developed by google
[10:05] <android_freak> for GUI, run-time,...
[10:06] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Penguin Awareness Day! 😃
[10:06] <android_freak> Again back to question: If Ubuntu touch use GNU libraries on top of Linux kernel, how is the performance and speed optimised? And, how does it compare to android?
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> penguin!!!!
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:10] <MCMic> android_freak: No idea but I’m not sure it has such a big impact
[10:46] <mcphail> android_freak: afaik, bionic is just a libc implementation with a less "free" licence. Ubuntu uses glibc, and libhybris to interface with the android drivers which are built for bionic libc. The presence or absence of a "full fledged terminal" has nothing whatsoever to do with the underlying libc implementation. As for GUI speed, libc is not the bottleneck
[12:04] <flux__> hi all, can i change my mx4 to rc-proposed/ubuntu-pd?
[12:05] <flux__> ^^ https://plus.google.com/101216811071065193275/posts/Pe2xHJc9Ezs
[13:05] <jfc> victorp : Owncloud synchronization with calendar,contatcs  : well funtionning.
[13:05] <jfc> task  is malfunctional ( no complete synchronization), but the external data is in ics file (.local/share/evolution/tasks/system/tasks.ics).
[13:05] <jfc> How update or copy (convert) in your sqlite database. Here 98db8704aaadd1aeebba01b42bf4d270.sqlite file
[13:05] <jfc> For version:1.5
[13:47] <jfc> UT 'Tasks' ap with '98db8704aaadd1aeebba01b42bf4d270.sqlite' file and other name of sqlite file for other UT app 'Taskly'
[15:55] <strixdio> Hello.
[15:55] <strixdio> Anyone know what the development status is for Nexus 4?
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> !devices | strixdio
[15:56] <strixdio> Thanks.
[15:56] <zetheroo> are people still experiencing battery issues with Ubuntu Touch ?
[15:57] <mcphail> zetheroo: my battery is currently lasting for days
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> zetheroo: running fine on bq 4.5 here also
[15:57] <strixdio> Not many phones are supported.
[15:57] <strixdio> "officially".
[15:57] <zetheroo> mcphail: which device and UT version?
[15:57] <mcphail> zetheroo: bq 4.5 on OTA8.5
[15:57] <zetheroo> ok
[15:58] <k1l_> strixdio: the n4 is the development device
[15:58] <zetheroo> is the battery performance largely subject to device?
[15:58] <zetheroo> (I have nexus 4)
[15:58] <strixdio> k1l_: huh?
[15:58] <k1l_> zetheroo: since last december update the battery is way better
[15:58] <strixdio> according to this list, production = no
[15:59] <zetheroo> k1l_: ok. would you say it's as good as other comparable Android devices?
[15:59] <mcphail> zetheroo: IIRC, the nexus 4 images are not optimised for battery. And, of course, most nexus 4 batteries are getting quite old
[15:59] <strixdio> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers#mako
[15:59] <zetheroo> mcphail: I am thinking of getting a Nexus 5 for Ubuntu
[15:59] <mcphail> zetheroo: not a supported device
[16:00] <mcphail> zetheroo: some things don't work, apparently
[16:00] <zetheroo> bother :P
[16:00] <k1l_> strixdio: of course the nexus4 is not shipped with ubuntu touch
[16:00] <strixdio> This I know.
[16:00] <k1l_> strixdio: but that device is the official (official by ubuntu) development device
[16:00] <strixdio> But what are the "Nexus 4 Binaries for Android 5.1.1" about?
[16:00] <mcphail> zetheroo: there are Nexus 5 users on here. They may be able to advise you if it is worth trying
[16:00] <strixdio> if it's not using android anyway.
[16:01] <k1l_> strixdio: its using the android drivers
[16:01] <strixdio> ah, okay.
[16:01] <zetheroo> so battery performance matter greatly when dealing with different devices - I had the notion it was more on the Ubuntu software side of things more
[16:01] <k1l_> strixdio: so you need that binaries since that are the drivers. they are running a container running android to work with that drivers.
[16:01] <strixdio> That's kinda cool.
[16:02] <strixdio> I just wish we had an actual ubuntu phone in the US.
[16:02] <strixdio> (like, comes stock with ubuntu)
[16:02] <zetheroo> k1l_: crazy :)
[16:03] <k1l_> strixdio: zetheroo https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/   this explains the android drivers stuff at the beginning
[16:03] <V99> strixdio: you cant buy from bq website to eeuu?
[16:03] <strixdio> V99: I'm not sure what you're referring to.
[16:05] <strixdio> Okay, I'm not seeing a .zip to flash my phone with (mako) Am I missing something?
[16:06] <k1l_> no .zip flashing (like cm13 or such) is not supported anymore. (was only at the really early days)
[16:07] <k1l_> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[16:07] <strixdio> I was looking at this..
[16:08] <strixdio> Oh, I'm missing the fact that one needs an Ubuntu desktop.
[16:08] <strixdio> I suppose I can make a VM and pass my phone through.
[16:09] <strixdio> Well, thanks for the info. I may give this a shot over the weekend.
[16:10] <strixdio> Last I tried ubuntu touch was with a .zip. It wasn't very good back over a year ago. :(
[16:11] <strixdio> Can this be considered a "daily driver" at this point?
[16:13] <strixdio> Oh boy, google voice/google hangouts support?
[16:14] <zetheroo> with the dual boot setup what drivers are being used?
[16:14] <zetheroo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
[16:14] <k1l_> strixdio: last time i saw a .zip was nearly 2 years back. best is to install it and see yourself.
[16:14] <strixdio> k1l_: I usually try to get as much info as I can before making a time commitment.
[16:14] <zetheroo> I don't see drivers mentioned in the wiki ^
[16:14] <k1l_> a lot users use it as daily drivers. i only have it at home, using my nexus6 (cm13) as daily driver
[16:15] <strixdio> Especially since it's my only phone.
[16:15] <k1l_> killing point is whatsapp for me. since my sports team arrangements are made in whatsapp groups.
[16:16] <k1l_> but besides that everything works that i would use. even the patience game is so addicting :)
[16:17] <ogra_> zetheroo, thats ancient and was never officially supported ... i higly doubt it still works
[16:18] <zetheroo> oh ok
[16:18] <ogra_> there is a multirom build for ubuntu that might still work though ...
[16:19] <ogra_> (i think the nexxus5 community port uses it)
[16:19] <mcphail> I use Ubuntu as my daily driver, and I miss android less and less
[16:19]  * ogra_ too
[16:20] <ogra_> in the end it is a matter of how much you tied yourself into specific android apps though
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> same
[16:21] <zetheroo> I really want to give Ubuntu Touch a go ... but I see it's not going to work on my Iconia A500 :P
[16:21] <zetheroo> and my Nexus 4 is my main phone
[16:23] <mcphail> zetheroo: I hope Canonical have a shift in priority this year. I'd rather they developed an automagic cyanogenmod->ubuntu porting script than a further device :)
[16:23] <zetheroo> mcphail: oh absolutely
[16:23] <zetheroo> devices we have plenty of
[16:27] <k1l_> mcphail: yep. there are a lot of users wanting to test/run ubuntu-touch and fail due to limited porting skills.
[16:27] <dobey> i don't really miss anything from android
[16:28] <dobey> all the things i miss are from webos, and from the time when phones were of a reasonable size
[16:28] <ogra_> dobey, 4.5" isnt a reasonable size ?
[16:28] <strixdio> The only thing holding me back right now, is that I don't think google hangouts/voice calling will work in ubuntu touch
[16:29] <strixdio> I mostly use google voice/hangout voip calling for free calls.
[16:29] <ogra_> not yet, there is a hangouts chat client though ... but no webrtc suppport yet
[16:29] <dobey> ogra_: if you mean nexus4, it is too big. and i use a nexus 5 (though the physical device size is roughly the same as nexus 4)
[16:29] <ogra_> (read: text chat)
[16:29] <strixdio> ogra_: Yeah, I saw two of them.
[16:29] <strixdio> I specifically need the voice functionality.
[16:29] <ogra_> dobey, i mean the bq 4.5 :)
[16:30] <ogra_> (which is a lot smaller than the nexus line phones)
[16:30] <dobey> ogra_: it's too featureless
[16:30] <mcphail> strixdio: apparently voice-over-webrtc seems to work now, although video isn't working yet. Getting there
[16:30] <ogra_> dobey, geez ... you are so demanding :P
[16:30] <strixdio> mcphail: interesting. webrtc is ?
[16:31]  * strixdio is googling
[16:31] <mcphail> strixdio: new web standard for video/voice communication. Example is the thingy built in to firefox
[16:31] <dobey> ogra_: it doesn't have 4g. and it's mediatek
[16:32] <strixdio> seems like it may be a chore to get it set up?
[16:32] <mcphail> strixdio: it shouldn't be, in the future. It won't be a solution if you specifically want, say, Skype but at least it should bring free video/voice calls
[16:33] <ogra_> strixdio, not really .... it is a browser feature, the setup is server side usually
[16:33] <strixdio> ah
[16:33] <mcphail> strixdio: you should try it from firefox on your browser. Dead easy
[16:34] <strixdio> If I install ubuntu touch this weekend, it will be one of the first things I try.
[16:34] <mcphail> strixdio: as above, it isn't quite working _yet_ ;)
[16:34] <strixdio> oh
[16:35] <strixdio> any pbx apps? If I host pbx with hangouts plugin...
[16:36] <zetheroo> buying a Meizu through the Ubuntu links shows stores selling phones with Android not Ubuntu Touch
[16:37] <ogra_> the meizu is out of stock
[16:37] <zetheroo> https://www.meizumobiles.fr/produit/m2-blanc-16-go/
[16:38] <zetheroo> or this
[16:38] <zetheroo> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Meizu-Note-Version-SIM-Free-Smartphone/dp/B010VQQ9NO/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1453307848&sr=8-4&keywords=meizu
[16:38] <zetheroo> it's all with the Meizu Android OS
[16:40] <dobey> strixdio: i don't think there are any voip apps in the store yet
[16:40] <dobey> there are plenty of requests to support SIP in the stock dialer app though
[16:41] <strixdio> Cool.
[16:42] <dobey> i don't know if anyone is working on that though
[16:42] <strixdio> =/
[16:45] <V99> someone test yowsup2 in ubuntu touch?
[16:48] <dobey> feel free to try it, and get banned
[16:49] <V99> shit
[16:49] <dobey> whatsapp actively blocks/bans unoffical app users
[16:51] <V99> so I will have to power on my old android mobile :(
[16:51] <dobey> or migrate to an alternative like telegram; or get whatsapp to provide an official client for ubuntu
[16:52] <ogra_> or convince them to stop that nonsense of blocking unofficial clients ;)
[16:53] <dobey> well, if you can also convince them to provide documentation for their API, sure
[16:54]  * ogra_ digs in scrollback ...
[16:54] <ogra_> dobey, geez ... you are so demanding :P
[16:54] <ogra_> (found it :) )
[16:55] <dobey> well, even if they stop banning users, they will probably do something otherwise very much apple-like, and constantly break the protocol so that only their app really works
[16:56] <ogra_> dont they already ?
[16:56] <dobey> i remembr when AIM used to do that all the time
[16:56] <dobey> ogra_: why would they need to when they can apparently just block the apps and ban the people using them?
[16:56] <ogra_> dunno, but i thought they do something like that anyway
[16:57] <dobey> well, i don't use it, so i have no idea how often they ship app udpates
[17:56] <tathhu> Any protips for a BT keyboard/mouse to use with my nexus 7? :P (scandic layout would be 5/5)
[17:56]  * tathhu wants to post pictures into facebook comments :(
[18:05] <ryanleesipes> Hello!
[18:21] <tathhu> .. also, can i connect my nexus 7 in to a monitor/tv/something via hdmi/something? :o
[18:28] <pmcgowan> tathhu, yes you need a slimport to hdmi adapter
[18:36] <tathhu> thanks
[18:36] <tathhu> aand, rest in peace 120€ :P
[18:37] <Niju> does anyone else find that the browser chews through the battery?
[18:38] <Niju> I wonder if this will be one of the improvements in ota 9
[19:02] <dobey> ogra_: oh, and the bq4.5 is the same size as the nexus4 so still too big :)
[19:36] <kowakx> anyone have patch to get mtp working?
[19:46] <dobey> kowakx: what do you mean? it works fine here
[19:47] <kowakx> dobey: i'm porting ubuntu touch to motorola moto e but mtp doesn't works
[19:47] <dobey> ah. i'm not sure. is mtpd not running?
[19:50] <kowakx> mtpd is running but on computer show this error (It could not open the MTP device "[usb: 002.034]" )
[19:51] <dobey> oh. is the screen unlocked?
[19:52] <kowakx> yes
[19:57] <dobey> kowakx: ok, i'm not sure then. unfortunately i don't know enough to help you further. maybe someone who has worked on a port can help you.
[22:17] <mterry> kenvandine, what is with your mouse_panel merge?
[22:17] <mterry> kenvandine, I don't see the schema changes reflected in trunk
[22:20] <mterry> mzanetti: do you know why https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/mouse_panel/+merge/268248 and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/revision/1582 don't match?
[22:21] <mterry> mzanetti: or at least, why they might not?
[22:22] <mterry> kenvandine, trunk also records changes to bluetooth.cpp that the MP doesn't list
[22:27] <mzanetti> mterry, I don't, no. we probably need kenvandine's input, yes
[22:31] <mterry> kenvandine, and how does your branch interact with http://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/unity8/mouse_touchpad_schema ?
[22:35] <mterry> kenvandine, OK...  I'm seeing http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/changes/1464.1.50 which shows that there are 4 commits that got landed in trunk that aren't on the MP page at all...
[22:35] <mterry> kenvandine, including reverting the schema.  So that makes sense why it isn't in trunk.  But your code still uses the com.ubuntu.touch.system-settings location, not the unity8 location...
[22:37] <mterry> kenvandine, I would expect system-settings to be a better gsettings location than unity8, eh?
[23:00] <ahoneybun> mariogrip, congratz on the membership (late I know)
[23:04] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Thanks! :)
[23:07] <ahoneybun> how's the OPO doing mariogrip ?
[23:08] <mariogrip> good, im currently creating a android hal based on Cyanogenmod 12.1
[23:08] <mariogrip> hopefully that can make porting "easier"
[23:09] <mariogrip> trying as best as i can to get mir working before ubucon....
[23:10] <mariogrip> I guess i need to stay up all night....
[23:12] <mariogrip> are you going to ubucon ahoneybun?
[23:12] <ahoneybun> I can't sadly
[23:12] <ahoneybun> don't work to hard mariogrip
[23:14] <mariogrip> I can not go to ubucon either... but i need to get it working so david can show it there
[23:14] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: I love what im doing, so i don't mind working hard :)
[23:15] <mariogrip> sleep can wait
[23:18] <ahoneybun> david mariogrip ?
[23:18] <ahoneybun> at least you love it :)
[23:18] <ahoneybun> then it's never work
[23:20] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: David Planella
[23:22] <ahoneybun> right
[23:23] <ahoneybun> you've made amazing progress mariogrip
[23:23] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Thanks! :D
[23:24] <ahoneybun> np