[18:25] <Guest2> Lubuntu 14.04.3 I have problems with install updates. And now the screen have another size and can not connect to any network. I have a red one way symbol down to the right.
[18:27] <aworan> Hi all,
[18:27] <Guest2> What can i do to make it work again ?
[18:29] <aworan> I want to report a problem in chromium with lubuntu 15.10.1 for raspberry pi 2 => https://ubuntu-pi-flavour-maker.org
[18:29] <aworan> I don't know if this version of lubuntu is supported by lubuntu community and if it is where I can do a bug report ?
[18:29] <wxl> Guest2: you might want to pastebin /var/log/{dmesg,syslog}
[18:30] <wxl> aworan: there is this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/RaspberryPi
[18:30] <wxl> aworan: although we should really file a bug somewhere
[18:30] <wxl> aworan: what's the problem?
[18:30] <Guest2> I am using another computer now.
[18:31] <wxl> Guest2: well we need to figure out why you're having this problem, so unless you can tell me we probably need the logs XD
[18:31] <Guest2> But it told me with other things the third part repository cud be a problem
[18:32] <wxl> Guest2: well, i need info to help you out. specifics, not generalities. however, unless you have a third party repository for a networking component, i doubt that's causing THAT problem.
[18:32] <aworan> hi wxl,
[18:32] <aworan> HTML5 Videos rendering is with bad colors
[18:33] <wxl> aworan: and you can confirm the same version on a non-arm chip is ok?
[18:33] <Guest2> It looks like it is still some updates left and not installed.
[18:33] <wxl> aworan: and for that matter, what about in mate?
[18:33] <wxl> Guest2: but you have no internet connection, right?
[18:33] <aworan> wxl, I didn't try I will install it in my x86 laptop tomorrow to test
[18:33] <Guest2> No. the network is grey.
[18:34] <aworan> so I don't know if it is just the arm version or not yet
[18:34] <wxl> Guest2: so then, yuou need to solve that problem first. and it would be good to figure out why. which is why i asked for logs
[18:34] <wxl> aworan: i think comparing it on another de would be valuable. if it fails on ALL the other images provided by that site, then it's probably best to file a bug against ubuntu-pi-flavor-maker itself
[18:34] <aworan> in mate I test on 15.10 and it works well
[18:35] <wxl> aworan: on the other hand, if it affects all architectures, it'd be better to file a bug against chromium itself
[18:35] <aworan> I didn't try in 15.10.1  yet
[18:35] <wxl> yeah try to keep the versions the same
[18:35] <aworan> yes I need to try it first
[18:35] <Guest2> I understand. I am on a hotel and need the computer on my room. The updates crash. I have a usb memory to reinstall. But it looks like the installation program also dont want to connect to a network.
[18:35] <aworan> wxl: are you on lubuntu 15.10.1 on x86 or amd64 now ?
[18:36] <wxl> Guest2: perhaps you should discuss connectivity issues with the hotel :)
[18:36] <Guest2> No. It works.
[18:36] <wxl> aworan: oh hahah good quesiton. i'm at work and we use kubuntu. i've got a xenial vm laying around but that probably won't help us.
[18:36] <Guest2> I downloaded the updates.
[18:36] <Guest2> before it crashes.
[18:37] <aworan> wxl : ok no problem ;)
[18:37] <wxl> Guest2: so yes or no: does your internet connection work?
[18:37] <wxl> aworan: you might ask on lubuntu-devel and see if any testers might be able to help
[18:37] <aworan> I will try on mate under my rpi first with the last updates
[18:37] <Guest2> Internet works on the hotel. Afte the installed updates crash i can not connect anymore.
[18:37] <Guest2> No networks show up.
[18:37] <aworan> lubuntu-devel is another freenode channel ?
[18:38] <wxl> aworan: yep
[18:38] <wxl> aworan: well #lubuntu-devel
[18:38] <aworan> wxl: thank you it is my first time on freenode :P
[18:38] <wxl> aworan: ahh welcome. and thanks for testing the pi2! did you see the post on the lubuntu.me blog about it?
[18:39] <aworan> no I don't I will read that very soon :)
[18:39] <wxl> Guest2: i need the pci id of your wireless chip. lspci -nn will help
[18:39] <wxl> aworan: oh it's got a pic of my pi2 which has xenial and lxqt on it XD
[18:40] <aworan> wxl : but lubuntu works very fine faster than mate ! and I have a lot of ram free :)
[18:40] <Guest2> Can i reinstall without a network ? It will not download codecs and flashplayer.
[18:40] <wxl> Guest2: sure if you have another computer you can download the required files and then a usb stick or something to transfer it to the other computer
[18:40] <wxl> aworan: that's what lubuntu is good for :)
[18:41] <Guest2> I have a lubuntu usb with me. It is ready. And when i try lubuntu there is network.
[18:41] <aworan> wxl : the only problem I found is the html5 video bug on chromium and I tested a lot of things
[18:41] <wxl> aworan: you might want to send a message to lubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com to see if anyone can check it
[18:42] <aworan> wxl : ok I will :)
[18:42] <wxl> Guest2: you will have to find (on launchpad) the deb files for all the packages you need and you will need to get all their dependencies as well. it could take a long time
[18:42] <wxl> Guest2: or you could boot the live cd, mount the hard drive, chroot it, and then install the packages
[18:43] <Guest2> If i type lspci -nn in terminal the message can help if i tell you _
[18:43] <aworan> wxl : there is some things to improve too, I think I will be good to compile some packages with hardware acceleration enable like ffmpeg, vlc (but I think code for mmal is broken)
[18:44] <wxl> Guest2: find the pci id which is in the form XXXX:XXXX for the wifi
[18:44] <wxl> aworan: are you remotely connecting to the display?
[18:44] <Guest2> it is only the network. rest of the errors will still remain.
[18:44] <aworan> wxl : no I'm not
[18:45] <wxl> aworan: i'm trying to figure out a GOOD solution for that. unfortunately x2go does not have binaries for arm
[18:45] <Guest2> I be back. think i need the computer to give you some informations.
[18:46] <aworan> wxl : it will be good to add a gstreamer-1.0-omx package too because we can have h264 hardware encoding with it. I tested it on raspbian it work good
[18:47] <wxl> aworan: definitely mail this stuff to the list!
[18:48] <aworan> wxl : I need go to lunch, I wrote a lot of tutorials in ubuntu mate community forum (install flash player, compile ffmpeg with mmal, browse on youtube faster etc..)
[18:48] <aworan> maybe we can talk later and I give you some of my ideas ? :)
[18:49] <aworan> wxl : Ok I will, see you ;)
[18:49] <wxl> aworan: nice!!! talk soon
[18:57] <Guest2> wxi> I am back
[18:57] <Guest2> Running. try without install lubuntu.
[19:01] <Guest2> An error ocoured, please run package manager from the right clickmeny or apt/get in a terminal to see what is wrong. the error message was:Error:Broken<count >0. This usally means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies.
[19:01] <wxl> Guest2: just pastebin the output
[19:01] <Guest2> I got this.
[19:02] <Guest2> How can i pastebin when i try it from a usb memory and the crashed updates ar on the other instalation on the ssd drive _
[19:03] <Guest2> I noted the message only.
[19:03] <wxl> Guest2: the usb has networking right? and it's connected to the computer that the ssd is connected to, right?
[19:03] <Guest2> yes
[19:04] <Guest2> I can runt it like this.
[19:04] <wxl> Guest2: so mount the drive, chroot it, and then act like you're running off the ssd. because you are.
[19:04] <Guest2> chroot ?
[19:04] <Guest2> i dont know what that is.
[19:04] <wxl> !chroot | Guest2
[19:06] <Guest2> I run it from the usb drive. I helps. I can reinstall later. or is your idea better _
[19:06] <Guest2> ?
[19:07] <wxl> Guest2: with my idea you can potentially fix the problem, but if you want to run off the usb drive, that obviously works. just mount the drive if you need to access it
[19:08] <Guest2> mount the drive from here i am running now _
[19:08] <Guest2> ?
[19:08] <wxl> Guest2: if you want access to the ssd, you mount it
[19:08] <Guest2> How ?
[19:08] <Guest2> and there i can fix the problems ?
[19:09] <wxl> Guest2: you should just be able to click it in the file manager
[19:09] <wxl> Guest2: you can fix the problem if you chroot
[19:09] <Guest2> Even if i acces the ssd i dont know what to do. I have not importen thing on it. It is small 8GB.
[19:10] <Guest2> It is mounted.
[19:10] <Guest2> i can see the files.
[19:10] <wxl> Guest2: so now you have access to the files and can do what you want
[19:10] <Guest2> yes.
[19:11] <wxl> Guest2: but if you want to fix that installation, you should probably chroot in. either that or figure out why your networking is not working and fix that.
[19:11] <wxl> Guest2: and that that we need some details
[19:11] <Guest2> Can i fix the updates on the disk when i go into the files ?
[19:12] <wxl> Guest2: only if you chroot
[19:12] <Guest2> Or format it. the problmen is gone for ever.
[19:13] <Guest2> How can i chroot ? it meedn analyzing files ?
[19:13] <wxl> !chroot | Guest2
[19:14] <Guest2> I write that in terminal ? !chroot ?
[19:14] <Guest2> What happens then ?
[19:15] <wxl> Guest2: no. look at  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[19:16] <Guest2> what about the message i got ?
[19:17] <wxl> Guest2: you can't fix anything without being chrooted
[19:18] <Guest2> An error ocoured, please run package manager from the right clickmeny or apt/get in a terminal to see what is wrong. the error message was:Error:Broken<count >0. This usally means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies.
[19:21] <Guest2> I dont know what i cna do with this chrooting. You meen disble some programs so rest of it works ?
[19:22] <Guest2> Shud not LTS be stable ? why it crash _
[19:24] <Guest2> The chrooting looks complictated. Better to reinstall if i dont can fix the updatefunction.
[19:25] <wxl> Guest2: that would be the simplest solution, to just reinstall
[19:25] <Guest2> I am looking for a solution to start the updates.
[19:26] <wxl> Guest2: that involves chrooting, or figuring out your networking problems
[19:26] <Guest2> it is in the updates. they crash.
[19:26] <Guest2> they disturbe the sytem when they crash.
[19:26] <Guest2> sytem
[19:27] <wxl> that's unlikely the problem
[19:27] <wxl> can you ping google.com on the machine?
[19:27] <Guest2> they dont get finnish.
[19:27] <Guest2> how can i ping ?
[19:28] <wxl> open a terminal and type ping google.com
[19:28] <Guest2> what can i do with the results ?
[19:29] <wxl> tell them to me
[19:29] <wxl> it's either going to fail or succeed
[19:29] <Guest2> It is still working
[19:29] <wxl> then it works
[19:29] <wxl> so you have networking
[19:29] <wxl> of course
[19:29] <Guest2> yes or i can not chat here.
[19:29] <wxl> you're on the usb which you said it DOES work
[19:29] <wxl> so what you need to do is boot the broken system and try again
[19:30] <Guest2> I have rebot the system some times and the updates blocking the network when it crashed.
[19:30] <Guest2> Or stoped.
[19:30] <wxl> if you have networking on the machine, it can be fixed
[19:30] <wxl> if you do not, you need to fix the networking problems
[19:31] <wxl> it's not a safe assumption that the problem updates caused your networking problems
[19:31] <Guest2> It is not caused of the network.
[19:31] <wxl> so the broken machine has networking?
[19:32] <Guest2> the screen is not normal and the network dont works. It is messed up because it cud not finnish.
[19:32] <wxl> perhaps the networking never worked?
[19:32] <Guest2> An error ocoured, please run package manager from the right clickmeny or apt/get in a terminal to see what is wrong. the error message was:Error:Broken<count >0. This usally means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies.
[19:32] <Guest2> because of this.
[19:33] <wxl> i have seen that message from you 3 times i think
[19:33] <wxl> i understand the message and do not need to see it again
[19:33] <Guest2> but you dont tell me what it tells you.
[19:33] <wxl> Guest2: it tells me something is wrong with your updates, which could be caused by a lot of things. it does not tell me your networking doesn't work because of those failed updates.
[19:34] <Guest2> It tells me the lubuntu not works anymore.
[19:35] <wxl> no, it tells you the updates don't work
[19:35] <wxl> there may be a byproduct of that that affects other things
[19:35] <wxl> long story short, we need to know if your networking works or not and if it doesn't, we need to figure out how to fix it
[19:35] <wxl> if you can't do that and you can't chroot, i would just reinstall
[19:36] <Guest2> Is it possibe to go into the mounted disk where the instalation are and remove the laste updates ? Mayeb restore it to what i was before i started the update to day ?
[19:37] <wxl> Guest2: it's possible only if you chroot.
[19:38] <Guest2> so remove the updatefiles is not a solution ?
[19:38] <wxl> nope
[19:38] <wxl> unless you want to figure out each and every single file that you need to reverse
[19:38] <wxl> and then you'd need the deb files for the versions you wanted to re-install
[19:40] <wxl> like when we type apt-get update, there's a lot of files going back and forth. you'd have to figure out each one of those files on your own
[19:40] <wxl> if you chroot, i'd work
[19:40] <wxl> so there's two options: do some work with some more difficult solutions to fix the problem OR re-install
[19:43] <Guest2> It meens Chrooting or reinstall.
[19:43] <wxl> yep
[19:43] <Guest2> What can chrooting do for me ? And it needs a lot of time maybe ?
[19:45] <wxl> Guest2: with it you can boot to the usb drive. you basically tell the running system that the ssd is going to be your new root directory. then if you do an update, for example, it will do it on the ssd.
[19:46] <Guest2> But i still need the usb drive to run it ?
[19:46] <wxl> Guest2: yep. because it's the system with the networking.
[19:47] <Guest2> I am not sure i see any point of chrooting then. And the old installation is damage for ever ?
[19:48] <wxl> Guest2: no, if you chroot you can fix it. or you can just re-install. that's what i'd suggest
[19:49] <Guest2> Will chrooting use a long time ?
[19:49] <wxl> Guest2: not necessarily
[19:50] <Guest2> If i still need the usb drive the old installation is not fixed.
[19:50] <wxl> you won't STILL need it
[19:50] <wxl> you will need it to allow you to fix it
[19:52] <Guest2> It will let me access it. I can see the files.
[20:01] <Guest2> I am running one partition to fix another. I understand that. but it looks complicated.
[20:03] <melodie> hi
[23:04] <Guest2> How can i open nm-applet when lubuntu refuse to open it connection refused ?
[23:07] <Guest2> wxl: are you still here ? What happens if i reinstall lubuntu without network will the codecs and flashplayer be download when i connect later and update ?