[02:35] hello === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:58] hi [08:58] i have a desktop computer with an Elo touchscreen [08:59] and i was wondering if it should be possible to run ubuntu touch there [08:59] installation instructions i found only mention installing on smartphones === lan3y is now known as Laney === Laney is now known as Guest80303 [09:04] niklas___: what Os is running on your computer? === Guest80303 is now known as Laney [09:04] niklas___: I think you can install normal Desktop Ubuntu version and replace unity with unity8, but I'm not really sure [09:05] Stanley00: unity8 is being worked on for now mate, not ready until xenial release i think [09:06] i have a fresh ubuntu installed there. but i don't mind wiping that [09:06] lotuspsychje: is there an experimental version i could try? [09:06] i only need this to work for ~2 days on a fair :) [09:07] niklas___: yes unity8 is already useable, but little simple [09:07] ok, thanks -- i'll give it a shot! [09:07] niklas___: ive tested it on ubuntu desktop 16.04 development version [09:07] niklas___: you can try follow this url https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8Desktop , and also xenial has an daily image now [09:07] niklas___: it looks like a simple ubuntu touch version right now [09:12] hey all, quick question: I'm using rc-proposed channel on my Bq device now. If I make the FS writable and add an external PPA to it and install newer version of some packages from it. If I reflash my phone without wipe, it will be overwrite these new packages? [09:13] yes [09:13] I want to test a silo, after that I want to go back to original rc-proposed, but without data loss [09:13] so it is possible? [09:13] robin-hero: it depends, if you flash from delta image, chance that it won't be wiped [09:14] robin-hero: from my experience, a reflash nukes everything under /etc, /usr (and /usr/local - which is a pain and a bug imho). OTAs/deltas don't wipe everything [09:15] thanks mcphail :) [09:17] robin-hero: probably worth a backup anyway, just in case something goes wrong and you need to run a --bootstrap flash [09:20] mcphail, yes, always do that in the first place :) [09:21] mcphail, BTW, could I create a backup from the whole system? like on android? [09:26] robin-hero: don't think so. You could copy everything from $HOME, but I don't think there is a way to backup your apps [09:29] in theory, since the system partition is readonly, the userdata partition is where all the data go. So maybe just backup all in the userdata dataparition can do that, right? [09:33] Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Hugging Day! 😃 [09:43] Other topic: I've just done some application's startup speed test on rc-proposed (Bq A E4.5) and it looks far better than my previous measurement with an earlier OTA (maybe with OTA-6?) [09:44] Dialer app: 3,84 s -> 2,6 s [09:44] Messaging app: 6,65 s -> 3,7 s [09:44] System Settings: 6,45 s -> 2,8 s [09:45] And If I know right the real improvment will be arrive with OTA-10 and mapplauncher [09:45] Still too long, though [09:46] it also means minus 1.2 - 1.5 s [10:00] installed mapplauncherd, and I got the following values: Dialer App 2.6s -> 2.1s, Messaging App: 3.7s -> 3.2s, System Settings: 2.8 -> 2.2s [10:01] so it means about 0.5s with every app [10:07] robin-hero, nice! my sdl apps loads in 0.3 sec i wonder what will be the load time in the future :D === lool- is now known as lool [10:21] äh, should bluetooth work on a nexus 7? (lte one) [11:06] hello! will XMir be implemented in OTA-9? [11:28] also, logitech k480 doesn't connect out of the box :( (on e5 as bt doesn't seem to work on nexus) [11:31] tathhu, can you connect your K480 to another Ubuntu device? [11:35] zzarr, something running touch/unity 8 or just ubuntu? laptop maybe in a few hours [11:36] tathhu, just Ubuntu, Ubuntu uses bluez no matter if it's a phone or computer === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:51] tathhu, Ubuntu 15.10 and older releases and OTA 8.5 are using BlueZ 4, which is very outdated. Ubuntu 16.04 and OTA-9 will be arrive with BlueZ 5 with a lot of goodies :D [11:52] brb changing to rc-proposed :P [11:53] but seriouslh, should bt even work on nexus 7? :( [11:53] rip md [11:53] ... [11:56] I don't have a Nexus 7, so don't know, it works well on Nexus 4 [11:56] ähhh. [13:25] i have ubuntu touch running in the ubuntu-emulator - can I assign more cpu-cores somehow? [13:27] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygBP7MtT3Ac need more power? :) [13:28] exactly ;) [13:29] it's up and running but I am on a mid-range i5 m laptop [13:32] i can stream a 720p youtube clip simultaneously in the background, which suggest that there is a huge pile of power i could use for the emulator [14:00] anyway, I have a nexus 4 being shipped for me at the moment, so i guess i could be patient for a while [14:01] now lets hope the old man I purchased it from didn't scratch the display too much... === ChrisTownsend1 is now known as ChrisTownsend [14:37] hello! will XMir be implemented in OTA-9? [14:37] or is that a future update? === jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand [15:23] kenvandine, re: mouse schema -- did the design spec specifically allow middle mouse button as a primary button? [15:23] kenvandine, USC only supports setting left or right [15:32] hi! [15:38] mterry, no, but i wanted to include it in that enum just in case we ever wanted to [15:38] mterry, the UI doesn't allow it [15:38] kenvandine, yah but it being there means that u8 (as the intermediary) can't properly proxy the setting from gsettings to USC [15:39] oh, ok [15:39] i can remove it from the enum :) [15:39] i doubt we'll ever need it, but i was trying to be future proof [15:39] kenvandine, I also wonder... What about the split greeter case? What do we do on desktop in the greeter? Just always use default settings? [15:40] i think so [15:40] kenvandine, because on the phone if we have a split greeter during the first login for an encrypted home... I think the user would expect that the mouse would act the same as every other login [15:40] we need these to be user specific [15:40] kenvandine, oh for sure [15:40] kenvandine, but I was wondering if storing in AccountsService made sense [15:41] kenvandine, but that mostly makes sense for the single-user-split-greeter case [15:41] kenvandine, in multi user... not like you want the mouse to change settings as you change users [15:41] yeah [15:42] kenvandine, but still. Storing in AS would let us fix the issue for that one case (where we can detect we are one user) [15:42] kenvandine, otherwise we'd have to just accept the bug [15:42] kenvandine, because we can't even hackily proxy the setting to the greeter, since the user's home is encrypted and unreadable [15:43] kenvandine, I guess it's not just input settings [15:43] kenvandine, auto dim settings and all those others [15:43] yeah, lots of things [15:43] volume [15:43] i'm not opposed to AS [15:44] kenvandine, but at the same time, some of those are long-standing bugs that they act differently in greeter [15:44] if you'd rather do that, i can update my system-settings branch accordingly [15:44] kenvandine, I know there was a years-old bug that greeter volume should carry through into user [15:45] kenvandine, I dunno which makes more sense. I guess there's no downsides to AS. But mentally I'm very used to gsettings being where we put stuff like this [15:55] when 16.04 on phones? i'm sick and tired of 15.04 [15:56] devel proposed is on 16.04 right? [15:58] ogra_: ping [15:59] ogra_: we're trying to build a ubuntu touch rootfs for Plasma mobile here http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/job/img_phone_vivid_armhf/6/consoleFull with the config from here https://github.com/plasma-phone-packaging/live-config === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [16:00] ogra_: I just took the config options from ubuntu-touch from livecd-rootfs and added a few things ontop ( see customization ) [16:00] ogra_: but the initramfs trigger still gets run, but doesn't run on the ubuntu touch builds [16:00] what do you reckon we're missing? [16:10] mpt: hi! I wonder if you would be able to suggest a title for the dialog mentioned in bug 1468599? [16:10] bug 1468599 in ubuntu-system-settings-online-accounts (Ubuntu) "[Online Accounts] Same Google account could be added repeatedly from System Settings-->Accounts" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468599 [16:11] mpt: or, do you mind if I reassign the bug to you? [16:19] mardy, yes, please reassign to me [16:20] I’ll add it to the flow chart when adding the re-auth step === BOHverkill_ is now known as BOHverkill === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [17:47] am I right in thinking there's some file in /etc/ that can be tweaked to get the nexus 7 to use portrait as it's default orientation? [17:48] ogra_: yeah I modified the config a bit but its still not happy about the initramfs [17:48] So if you could advise, that'd be awesome [18:14] Elleo, DeviceConfiguration.qml [18:14] although I forget exactly where that is [18:14] pmcgowan: great, thanks [18:15] Elleo, somewhere in unity qml files [18:16] pmcgowan: yep, got it, thanks [18:30] does bluetooth work on flo? === tosky is now known as Guest82981 === tosky_ is now known as tosky [18:48] Hi, has anyone bought Ubuntu Phone from BQ inside EU? I'm having troubles understanding if i need to pay VAT or if it's already paid === syntax_error is now known as tboston [21:07] DarkKnightCZ: VAT's already paid inside the EU === salem_ is now known as _salem [21:50] ayy, k480 works right on w/ bluez5 <3 [21:50] * tathhu needs now working bt on nexus 7 :P [21:58] #blamemicrosoft [22:24] reflashed android and bt works there, daamn. [22:42] ogra_: ah, I figured it out btw [22:56] tathhu: bt on nexus5 would be nice [22:56] :l [22:57] also on 7 :P [23:03] :( === _salem is now known as salem_