[02:35] <amer> hello
[08:58] <niklas___> hi
[08:58] <niklas___> i have a desktop computer with an Elo touchscreen
[08:59] <niklas___> and i was wondering if it should be possible to run ubuntu touch there
[08:59] <niklas___> installation instructions i found only mention installing on smartphones
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> niklas___: what Os is running on your computer?
[09:04] <Stanley00> niklas___: I think you can install normal Desktop Ubuntu version and replace unity with unity8, but I'm not really sure
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> Stanley00: unity8 is being worked on for now mate, not ready until xenial release i think
[09:06] <niklas___> i have a fresh ubuntu installed there. but i don't mind wiping that
[09:06] <niklas___> lotuspsychje: is there an experimental version i could try?
[09:06] <niklas___> i only need this to work for ~2 days on a fair :)
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> niklas___: yes unity8 is already useable, but little simple
[09:07] <niklas___> ok, thanks -- i'll give it a shot!
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> niklas___: ive tested it on ubuntu desktop 16.04 development version
[09:07] <Stanley00> niklas___: you can try follow this url https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8Desktop , and also xenial has an daily image now
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> niklas___: it looks like a simple ubuntu touch version right now
[09:12] <robin-hero> hey all, quick question: I'm using rc-proposed channel on my Bq device now. If I make the FS writable and add an external PPA to it and install newer version of some packages from it. If I reflash my phone without wipe, it will be overwrite these new packages?
[09:13] <mcphail> yes
[09:13] <robin-hero> I want to test a silo, after that I want to go back to original rc-proposed, but without data loss
[09:13] <robin-hero> so it is possible?
[09:13] <Stanley00> robin-hero: it depends, if you flash from delta image, chance that it won't be wiped
[09:14] <mcphail> robin-hero: from my experience, a reflash nukes everything under /etc, /usr (and /usr/local - which is a pain and a bug imho). OTAs/deltas don't wipe everything
[09:15] <robin-hero> thanks mcphail :)
[09:17] <mcphail> robin-hero: probably worth a backup anyway, just in case something goes wrong and you need to run a --bootstrap flash
[09:20] <robin-hero> mcphail, yes, always do that in the first place :)
[09:21] <robin-hero> mcphail, BTW, could I create a backup from the whole system? like on android?
[09:26] <mcphail> robin-hero: don't think so. You could copy everything from $HOME, but I don't think there is a way to backup your apps
[09:29] <Stanley00> in theory, since the system partition is readonly, the userdata partition is where all the data go. So maybe just backup all in the userdata dataparition can do that, right?
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Hugging Day! 😃
[09:43] <robin-hero> Other topic: I've just done some application's startup speed test on rc-proposed (Bq A E4.5) and it looks far better than my previous measurement with an earlier OTA (maybe with OTA-6?)
[09:44] <robin-hero> Dialer app: 3,84 s -> 2,6 s
[09:44] <robin-hero> Messaging app:  6,65 s -> 3,7 s
[09:44] <robin-hero> System Settings: 6,45 s -> 2,8 s
[09:45] <robin-hero> And If I know right the real improvment will be arrive with OTA-10 and mapplauncher
[09:45] <mcphail> Still too long, though
[09:46] <robin-hero> it also means minus 1.2 - 1.5 s
[10:00] <robin-hero> installed mapplauncherd, and I got the following values: Dialer App 2.6s -> 2.1s, Messaging App: 3.7s -> 3.2s, System Settings: 2.8 -> 2.2s
[10:01] <robin-hero> so it means about 0.5s with every app
[10:07] <flux__> robin-hero, nice! my sdl apps loads in 0.3 sec i wonder what will be the load time in the future :D
[10:21] <tathhu> äh, should bluetooth work on a nexus 7? (lte one)
[11:06] <zzarr> hello! will XMir be implemented in OTA-9?
[11:28] <tathhu> also, logitech k480 doesn't connect out of the box :( (on e5 as bt doesn't seem to work on nexus)
[11:31] <zzarr> tathhu, can you connect your K480 to another Ubuntu device?
[11:35] <tathhu> zzarr, something running touch/unity 8 or just ubuntu? laptop maybe in a few hours
[11:36] <zzarr> tathhu, just Ubuntu, Ubuntu uses bluez no matter if it's a phone or computer
[11:51] <robin-hero> tathhu, Ubuntu 15.10 and older releases and OTA 8.5 are using BlueZ 4, which is very outdated. Ubuntu 16.04 and OTA-9 will be arrive with BlueZ 5 with a lot of goodies :D
[11:52] <tathhu> brb changing to rc-proposed :P
[11:53] <tathhu> but seriouslh, should bt even work on nexus 7? :(
[11:53] <tathhu> rip md
[11:53] <tathhu> ...
[11:56] <robin-hero> I don't have a Nexus 7, so don't know, it works well on Nexus 4
[11:56] <tathhu> ähhh.
[13:25] <andywork> i have ubuntu touch running in the ubuntu-emulator - can I assign more cpu-cores somehow?
[13:27] <k1l> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygBP7MtT3Ac  need more power? :)
[13:28] <andywork> exactly ;)
[13:29] <andywork> it's up and running but I am on a mid-range i5 m laptop
[13:32] <andywork> i can stream a 720p youtube clip simultaneously in the background, which suggest that there is a huge pile of power i could use for the emulator
[14:00] <andywork> anyway, I have a nexus 4 being shipped for me at the moment, so i guess i could be patient for a while
[14:01] <andywork> now lets hope the old man I purchased it from didn't scratch the display too much...
[14:37] <zzarr> hello! will XMir be implemented in OTA-9?
[14:37] <zzarr> or is that a future update?
[15:23] <mterry> kenvandine, re: mouse schema -- did the design spec specifically allow middle mouse button as a primary button?
[15:23] <mterry> kenvandine, USC only supports setting left or right
[15:32] <V99_> hi!
[15:38] <kenvandine> mterry, no, but i wanted to include it in that enum just in case we ever wanted to
[15:38] <kenvandine> mterry, the UI doesn't allow it
[15:38] <mterry> kenvandine, yah but it being there means that u8 (as the intermediary) can't properly proxy the setting from gsettings to USC
[15:39] <kenvandine> oh, ok
[15:39] <kenvandine> i can remove it from the enum :)
[15:39] <kenvandine> i doubt we'll ever need it, but i was trying to be future proof
[15:39] <mterry> kenvandine, I also wonder...  What about the split greeter case?  What do we do on desktop in the greeter?  Just always use default settings?
[15:40] <kenvandine> i think so
[15:40] <mterry> kenvandine, because on the phone if we have a split greeter during the first login for an encrypted home...  I think the user would expect that the mouse would act the same as every other login
[15:40] <kenvandine> we need these to be user specific
[15:40] <mterry> kenvandine, oh for sure
[15:40] <mterry> kenvandine, but I was wondering if storing in AccountsService made sense
[15:41] <mterry> kenvandine, but that mostly makes sense for the single-user-split-greeter case
[15:41] <mterry> kenvandine, in multi user...  not like you want the mouse to change settings as you change users
[15:41] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:42] <mterry> kenvandine, but still.  Storing in AS would let us fix the issue for that one case (where we can detect we are one user)
[15:42] <mterry> kenvandine, otherwise we'd have to just accept the bug
[15:42] <mterry> kenvandine, because we can't even hackily proxy the setting to the greeter, since the user's home is encrypted and unreadable
[15:43] <mterry> kenvandine, I guess it's not just input settings
[15:43] <mterry> kenvandine, auto dim settings and all those others
[15:43] <kenvandine> yeah, lots of things
[15:43] <mterry> volume
[15:43] <kenvandine> i'm not opposed to AS
[15:44] <mterry> kenvandine, but at the same time, some of those are long-standing bugs that they act differently in greeter
[15:44] <kenvandine> if you'd rather do that, i can update my system-settings branch accordingly
[15:44] <mterry> kenvandine, I know there was a years-old bug that greeter volume should carry through into user
[15:45] <mterry> kenvandine, I dunno which makes more sense.  I guess there's no downsides to AS.  But mentally I'm very used to gsettings being where we put stuff like this
[15:55] <flux__> when 16.04 on phones? i'm sick and tired of 15.04
[15:56] <flux__> devel proposed is on 16.04 right?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> ogra_: ping
[15:59] <shadeslayer> ogra_: we're trying to build a ubuntu touch rootfs for Plasma mobile here http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/job/img_phone_vivid_armhf/6/consoleFull with the config from here https://github.com/plasma-phone-packaging/live-config
[16:00] <shadeslayer> ogra_: I just took the config options from ubuntu-touch from livecd-rootfs and added a few things ontop ( see customization )
[16:00] <shadeslayer> ogra_: but the initramfs trigger still gets run, but doesn't run on the ubuntu touch builds
[16:00] <shadeslayer> what do you reckon we're missing?
[16:10] <mardy> mpt: hi! I wonder if you would be able to suggest a title for the dialog mentioned in bug 1468599?
[16:11] <mardy> mpt: or, do you mind if I reassign the bug to you?
[16:19] <mpt> mardy, yes, please reassign to me
[16:20] <mpt> I’ll add it to the flow chart when adding the re-auth step
[17:47] <Elleo> am I right in thinking there's some file in /etc/ that can be tweaked to get the nexus 7 to use portrait as it's default orientation?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> ogra_: yeah I modified the config a bit but its still not happy about the initramfs
[17:48] <shadeslayer> So if you could advise, that'd be awesome
[18:14] <pmcgowan> Elleo, DeviceConfiguration.qml
[18:14] <pmcgowan> although I forget exactly where that is
[18:14] <Elleo> pmcgowan: great, thanks
[18:15] <pmcgowan> Elleo, somewhere in unity qml files
[18:16] <Elleo> pmcgowan: yep, got it, thanks
[18:30] <Elleo> does bluetooth work on flo?
[18:48] <DarkKnightCZ> Hi, has anyone bought Ubuntu Phone from BQ inside EU? I'm having troubles understanding if i need to pay VAT or if it's already paid
[21:07] <Elleo> DarkKnightCZ: VAT's already paid inside the EU
[21:50] <tathhu> ayy, k480 works right on w/ bluez5 <3
[21:50]  * tathhu needs now working bt on nexus 7 :P
[21:58] <tathhu> #blamemicrosoft
[22:24] <tathhu> reflashed android and bt works there, daamn.
[22:42] <shadeslayer> ogra_: ah, I figured it out btw
[22:56] <dobey> tathhu: bt on nexus5 would be nice
[22:56] <tathhu> :l
[22:57] <tathhu> also on 7 :P
[23:03] <tathhu> :(