[00:33] <\s> http://www.hecticgeek.com/2015/10/ubuntu-15-10-review/ are the xorg issues fixed?
[07:37] <mapps> hi all:D
[09:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Hugging Day! 😃
[09:37] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:48] <SuperMatt> morning
[09:54] <_Sponge> What time is M Shuttleworth's keynote in the UK ?
[09:58] <_Sponge> Oh, good morning cockney-governor n'all that.
[10:04] <_Sponge> Oh right : http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/usa/los-angeles
[10:04] <_Sponge> Does anyone banter on this channel ?
[10:05] <SuperMatt> yes, we do, but it's still quite early here, and people are either on their way to work, or just getting on with it
[10:06] <_Sponge> fair enough.
[10:07] <SuperMatt> I'm in the latter camp
[10:07] <_Sponge> I'm bodging it today.
[10:09] <_Sponge> I'll check another channel ..
[10:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:24] <foobarry> happiness is getting a git pulll/commit/push before anyone else has done a push inbetween
[10:25] <brobostigon> git push happiness brobostigon@ThirdPlanetFromTheSun
[10:51] <davmor2> popey is in the state and I'm in London so there's two down :)
[11:51] <czajkowski> aloha
[12:25] <Laney> severn trent++
[12:25] <Laney> zero holding and the chap actually called me back when he said he would
[12:29] <foobarry> yeah thames water were pretty good too
[13:47] <m0nkey_> Mornin all.
[13:48] <SuperMatt> yo
[14:24] <diddledan> chrome is gonna support a compression for web content that is supposed to be better than gzip: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+IlyaGrigorik/posts/X9ogn4fLtHL
[14:24] <diddledan> I’m assuming the equivalent commandline utility would be bzip2?
[14:25] <diddledan> I don’t know what brotli is
[14:27] <diddledan> seems not, bzip is burrows-wheeler
[14:27] <diddledan> brotli is entirely google - invented (first release) 2013
[14:28] <m0nkey_> diddledan: did that download from my server work okay? what kind of speeds were you getting?
[14:28] <diddledan> m0nkey_: it finished, I’ve not checked whether the files were intact, but they were the right size - I went to bed so didn’t monitor the speed
[14:29] <diddledan> I think it was reading 30 minutes once it got going
[14:29] <m0nkey_> heh, i've not tested it myself.
[14:29] <diddledan> the transfer time of 30 minutes I mean
[14:30] <m0nkey_> i really need to upgrade my ISP quota.. 400GB this month isn't going to be enough :)
[14:30] <diddledan> :-p
[14:30] <diddledan> quotas are a pain to work within
[14:30] <diddledan> you _always_ want/need more
[14:30] <m0nkey_> that's Canada for you.. most expensive services on the planet
[14:31] <diddledan> ouch
[14:31] <diddledan> plus you’ve got a bad time right now with your exchange rate :-(
[14:33] <m0nkey_> The three mobile operators all pushed up their prices $5. All at the same time.
[14:33] <m0nkey_> The whole comms industry is corrupt.
[14:33] <diddledan> grr
[14:34] <m0nkey_> Even small ISPs like mine rely on these guys, and they keep pushing the price up for the small guy, who cannot absorb the cost and have to pass on to the customer. My bill went up $3 this month.
[14:35] <m0nkey_> That and the rising cost of fruits and vegetables.
[14:35] <m0nkey_> The out of season stuff is stupid expensive. A small punnet of raspberries is reaching over $6.
[14:35] <m0nkey_> Where as only last year, it was $3
[14:38] <m0nkey_> So, to make it abundantly clear how much our currency is in the toilet, 1GBP buys 2.10CAD
[14:39] <m0nkey_> My bad, that was last week.. it recovered a little.. 2.03CAD
[17:20] <lornajane> hi people :)
[17:20] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[17:21] <lornajane> how would I find out what versions of libraries are likely to be in Ubuntu 16.04?  I assume there's a way to find that out for myself, but where do I look?
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> channel will be a bit quiet as people battle way home and tea time but if you hang around you may get an answer
[17:21] <pwaring> lornajane: You could search http://packages.ubuntu.com/ and select xenial as the distro
[17:22] <pwaring> e.g. that suggests PHP will be 7.0
[17:22] <pwaring> http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/php
[17:23] <lornajane> yeah, it's PHP I'm really looking at, any danger they will ship a 5.x as well?
[17:25] <pwaring> It's been discussed (I know someone who works at Canonical)
[17:26] <pwaring> Personally I think they will have to, but I don't have any say in it
[17:26] <pwaring> http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/php5
[17:27] <pwaring> That suggests php will be 7.0, php5 (which is the package that gets installed at the moment) will be 5.x
[17:27] <mapps> hello;]
[17:27] <pwaring> There is no 'php' package in 15.10 or earlier
[17:27] <pwaring> So most people will have php5 and will upgrade to 5.6.x
[17:28] <lornajane> I think that's going to be perfect. Much as I would love everyone to be running PHP 7, 6 months after release is too soon for most people to be ready
[17:28] <pwaring> yes
[17:28] <pwaring> 16.94 is long term support as well
[17:28] <pwaring> 16.04 even
[17:28] <pwaring> So dropping a major piece of software like PHP 5 would be a huge disadvantage
[17:29]  * pwaring is trying to get one client to move off 5.2
[17:29] <lornajane> yeah I have most of my clients on 14.04, they're just not ready for PHP 7 but a platform with both means I can make the transition at some point after upgrade
[17:29] <pwaring> Or 5.3, I forget which
[17:29] <lornajane> I moved one of my big work projects to 5.5 yesterday (Ubuntu 14.04 of course) so I'm happy about that
[17:30] <lornajane> the PHP upgrades aren't difficult at all but some of the extenions aren't ready for PHP 7 so some people really can't move yet
[17:30] <pwaring> A lot of code breaks in 5.3->5.4 for my client
[17:30] <pwaring> Well, doesn't 'break' but causes thousands of E_NOTICE warnings
[17:31] <bigcalm> With luck, php 7 will be back ported to Ubuntu 16.04
[17:31] <bigcalm> Maybe in a year
[17:31] <lornajane> pwaring: is it E_STRICT?  We turned that on by default in 5.4
[17:32] <lornajane> almost all systems got significantly noisier when that happened
[17:33] <pwaring> lornajane: yes, I suspect that's the issue
[17:34] <pwaring> There's a local php.ini which sets error_reporting to E_ALL
[17:34] <pwaring> which I think now includes E_STRICT but didn't use to
[17:34] <lornajane> pwaring: exactly, yes
[17:34] <lornajane> E_ALL means all now.  A radical move by the PHP community
[17:35] <pwaring> Although if you search for php 5.4 e_strict. I get a page saying that E_ALL doesn't include E_STRICT
[17:35] <pwaring> on php.net
[17:35] <pwaring> First hit on DDG
[17:36] <pwaring> and to be fair, PHP is hardly along
[17:36] <pwaring> -Wall doesn't mean all warnings in GCC :)
[17:37] <lornajane> gotta keep things interesting :)
[17:37] <lornajane> this is really sane, PHP 5.6.16 and PHP 7.0.2
[17:38]  * pwaring pats clang with -Weverything
[17:38] <bigcalm> May there come a day where we can have multiple versions installed, much like python does
[17:39] <lornajane> we can, you can install all those packages
[17:39] <pwaring> yeah
[17:39] <pwaring> I remember having PHP 4 and PHP 5 installed
[17:39] <pwaring> You can do the same with Java too
[17:39] <pwaring> And GCC I think
[17:40] <lornajane> pretty sure you should be able to install all of that and just use them both
[17:40] <lornajane> might make installing extensions fun
[17:45] <bigcalm> Installing everything via apt is what I want from life :) No idea how the extensions would be handled though
[21:39]  * brobostigon is playing with rockwork on ubuntu touch
[21:42] <mapps> rockwork:D
[21:42] <mapps> O_O]
[21:42] <brobostigon> pebble, :)
[21:43] <mapps> i thought that was some watch
[21:43] <brobostigon> it is yes.
[21:44] <brobostigon> i have yet to get a notification to see if it works.
[21:44] <mapps> ah
[21:45] <mapps> im going to see if i can get duolingo to work offline;]
[21:45] <brobostigon> duolingo?
[21:46] <mapps> ya
[21:46] <mapps> app for droid/ios to assist in learning spanish
[21:46] <brobostigon> ah
[21:48] <mapps> ooh it has an offline mode now yay
[21:48] <mapps> no wifi at work..well there is but they dont let us use it, and i use the apps in my breaks:D
[21:51] <brobostigon> i got an sms, it works, :)
[21:52] <mapps> i dont fully get what youre doing
[21:52] <mapps> ubuntu touch on pebble or somethng on ubuntu touch device
[21:52] <mapps> rockwork is what though..is that pebble os or something
[21:53] <ali1234> smartwatch has to be paired to a phone in order to do stuff
[21:53] <mapps> oh
[21:53] <brobostigon> rockwork is a pebble smartwatch integration app and service for ubuntu touch, which forwards notifications and the like to said pebble smartwatch.
[21:53] <mapps> aha:)
[21:53] <brobostigon> :)
[21:53] <mapps> never used a smartwatch didnt think i need one
[21:54]  * brobostigon has had three upto now, two pebble's and an android wear.
[21:55] <mapps> do you use them much day-to-day
[21:55] <brobostigon> oh yes.
[21:56] <mapps> does it drain your smartphone battery at all?
[21:56] <brobostigon> as a normal watch for the most part, with added extras.
[21:56] <brobostigon> not really, no.
[21:57] <Myrtti> my M360 doesn't drain the phone battery at all, and it itself has an astonishingly long battery life too
[21:59] <brobostigon> my pebble can last me a week, between charges.
[22:10] <brobostigon> on step 4 https://mattimakinen.net/TTYYIrcBot/ what does that mean?
[22:11] <mapps> second chance seems ok watching e1
[22:11] <mapps> hm
[22:14] <mapps> not sure:p read the url and dont know heh
[22:14] <brobostigon> its an irssi plugin to send notification to telegram.
[22:15] <diddledan> brobostigon: I guess you need to type /api_token which gives you a URL to open to generate an authorisation credential
[22:16] <mapps> this sends notifications to your watch? cool
[22:16] <brobostigon> diddledan: it spits out an unknown command error.
[22:16] <diddledan> hmm
[22:16] <brobostigon> mapps: indirectly.
[22:17] <mapps> cool
[22:17] <brobostigon>  /script list definatly shows it there and loaded.
[22:34] <diddledan> brobostigon: you need to send that text to “the bot” not to irssi by the looks
[22:34] <diddledan> "So start conversation by going to https://telegram.me/TTYYIrcBot."
[22:35] <brobostigon> explain, how send it to thw bot, /msg ?
[22:36] <diddledan> I’m wondering what they mean by “quering yourself” <— is that trying to turn yourself into a 60s era perception of a gay person?
[22:36] <diddledan> the bot is on telegram
[22:36] <diddledan> you need to telegram message it I guess
[22:38] <brobostigon> and that will send me the api token to stick into the script?
[22:38] <mapps> oops
[22:38] <mapps> fell asleep during second chance lol
[22:38] <diddledan> yes
[22:38] <mapps> wokeup just now luckly..in work in 20mins;p
[22:38] <brobostigon> ah.
[22:51] <brobostigon> i think i have it, thank you diddledan
[22:51] <diddledan> \o.
[22:51] <diddledan> \o/
[22:51] <brobostigon> it helped getitng my head around it.