[00:32] <BLZbubba_> does 16.04 finally get rid of upstart and plymouth?
[00:32] <BLZbubba_> i've been waiting since 10.04 for that
[00:33] <k1l_> ubuntu uses systemd since 15.04
[00:34] <k1l_> but plymouth is still used iirc
[00:35] <rww> hrm, i should spin up a VM and test if it's removable now
[00:35] <rww> if memory serves plymouth was a depend of upstart, so couldn't be removed completely, just turned off
[00:35] <genii> rww: What, upstart?
[00:36] <rww> nah, i know upstart's gone :)
[00:36] <genii> Hm
[00:36] <BLZbubba_> thank god, maybe i can put nfs mounts in fstab again
[00:37] <BLZbubba_> for years flaky nfs mounts in fstab would cause upstart to freeze with no messages at all
[00:37] <rww> lol, xenial image is 1.4GB right now
[00:38] <k1l_> systemd is way more wonky when it comes to fstab
[00:40] <genii> rww: Yeah insane, almost twice the size of 2 regular CDs now
[00:40] <k1l_> once you go post-cd size it cant be stopped :X
[00:41] <rww> quite
[00:41] <genii> Almost forces you to use USB if you don't have a DVD burner
[00:42] <rww> i use USB for everything these days anyway, even netinst images in Debianland
[00:44] <k1l_> havent used a cd or dvd since years. my thinkpad x230 even doesnt have a dvd slot anyway. but i have a base-dock for that :)
[01:08] <rww> oh, joy. ubuntu-desktop depends lightdm. lightdm depends plymouth
[01:08] <rww> so not removable in Ubuntu Desktop any time soon
[01:09] <rww> but yeah, can be disabled, so *shrug*
[08:12] <stephanbuys> hi all, does ubuntu's implementation of systemd also use networkd? I'm trying to use systemd-networkd to configure my interfaces but it doesn't seem to work? Do I have to fall back to /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:24] <TJ-> stephanbuys: yes, it uses systemd-networkd
[08:26] <stephanbuys> TJ-: I figured it out just had to disable networking and enable systemd-networkd (and systemd-resolved)
[08:26] <stephanbuys> thanks though
[08:27] <TJ-> do you mean "disable ifupdown network configuration" ?
[08:27] <stephanbuys> TJ-: no, systemctl disable networkign
[08:27] <stephanbuys> s/networkign/networking/
[08:29] <TJ-> right, which is ifupdown via /etc/init.d/networking
[08:47] <Fudge> is there anything special you have to do on a gateway running dhcp3 and bind9 to make the gateway use the cached dns so it can lookup the fixed hostnames?
[15:41] <loveheartjoylove> Does the oversized image size imply an oversized installation size?
[15:42] <k1l> no
[15:42] <loveheartjoylove> Sweet
[15:42] <k1l> (if i understand what you mean)
[15:43] <loveheartjoylove> Well there's this bug, that is causing the disk image size to be larger than normal
[15:43] <loveheartjoylove> I'm wondering if that will cause the installation footprint to also be larger than normal
[15:43] <teward> and by 'installation footprint' you mean the total installed size?
[15:43] <loveheartjoylove> Yes
[15:43] <teward> as i understand the issue (and I'm not 100% fluent in it) that shouldn't impact installed size
[15:44] <loveheartjoylove> Kewell
[18:13] <croberts> has anyone got wine to work with 16.04
[20:18] <damascene> !ubuntu