 What's the point of Ubuntu in a world that already has OSX?
[00:58] <bazhang> !snappy
[04:13] <svetlana> becasso100 is allegedly sending islam spam to people in #ubuntu
[04:13] <svetlana> in pm
[10:38] <aeonchild> Hi
[10:38] <aeonchild> When can I be unbanned from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[10:56] <Flannel> aeonchild: Hi.  For almost every ban, there is no "time" that it'll be removed.  It's just about you coming in here and getting it resolved.
[10:56] <aeonchild> Flannel: well I've come here a couple of times before and no one ever responde
[10:56] <aeonchild> d
[10:57] <Flannel> aeonchild: I can't speak for those times.  So I'm not sure.
[10:58] <aeonchild> I was banned without warning after making a couple of jokes about memes
[10:58] <Flannel> Not without warning.
[10:59] <Flannel> But, as long as you agree to not purposefully cause a ruckus in -ot, I have no problem removing the ban.  I'm frankly surprised that it hasn't been removed already.
[10:59] <aeonchild> I never saw a warning
[11:00] <aeonchild> And of course I agree
[11:00] <aeonchild> I wasn't even causing a ruckus then, intentionally or not, as far as I'm aware
[11:00] <Flannel> aeonchild: Well, I'm not interested in arguing.  But kicks are generally considered warnings.  But regardless, I've removed the ban.
[11:01] <aeonchild> Thanks
[11:01] <aeonchild> I don't remember being kicked prior to being kickbanned and I don't have autorejoin so I'm not sure how I could have missed it, but maybe I've just forgotten
[11:02] <Flannel> aeonchild: No worries.
[11:02] <aeonchild> :)
[11:54] <svetlana> sorry, I over-idled, and the issue is gone
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[15:53] <k1l> expect a new "omg omg omg ubuntu is spyware" article soon
[15:57] <ikonia> hello nonaTure
[15:57] <nonaTure> hi
[15:57] <ikonia> what's up ?
[15:58] <nonaTure> I find it horrific that there is no secure way to download ubuntu
[15:58] <nonaTure> and verify it's image
[15:58] <ikonia> ok ?
[15:59] <ikonia> you're telling the #ubuntu-ops channel - which runs the irc channels ?
[15:59] <ikonia> you've been told to log a bug on the launchpad too
[15:59] <ikonia> tool
[15:59] <nonaTure> you think that is ok?
[15:59] <nonaTure> you told me this
[15:59] <ikonia> so why are you joining here after already expressing your concern i n#ubuntu
[15:59] <nonaTure> why not?
[15:59] <ikonia> I suggest you stop joining IRC channels that will have no impaact
[15:59] <ikonia> and actually log a bug,
[16:00] <nonaTure> launchpad is not the only way to reach people
[16:00] <Pici> nonaTure: we're not ubuntu developers nor do we have any control on the ubuntu/canonical server infrastructure.
[16:00] <ikonia> it is the way to get change
[16:00] <nonaTure> it is an important topic. everybody should know about it
[16:00] <ikonia> right, so log a bug
[16:00] <ikonia> if it's important you want it fixed
[16:00] <ikonia> and the way to get it fixed is to log a bug
[16:00] <Pici> Its like telling a police officer that you don't like where they put a traffic light.
[16:01] <k1l> nonaTure: tl;dr: if you are annoying every one because you think its "totally important" it wont have an impact. file a bug so the people running the servers can think of a fix
[16:01] <nonaTure> wait guys, I even got asked 'whats up?'
[16:01] <nonaTure> so I told you
[16:01] <k1l> !topic | nonaTure
[16:02] <nonaTure> is there no dev channel?
[16:02] <ikonia> telling a dev channel doesn't do anything
[16:02] <ikonia> you need to log a bug
[16:03] <nonaTure> why so formal?
[16:03] <k1l> the answer in the dev channel would be: file a bug
[16:03] <Myrtti> nonaTure: because if if bugs are not formally filed in, they'll be all over the place and difficult for the devs to track down
[16:03] <k1l> nonaTure: i think yu want som chatting channel: better try #ubuntu-offtopic . since you dont follow the advice given you 10 times now how to solve that issue
[16:05] <Pici> k
[16:07] <genii> Hm
[16:12] <rww> lol, that issue's fun
[16:13] <rww> they *used* to just be on an https wiki page, but apparently that page was "redundant with the gpg-signed SUMS files" on the mirrors
[16:13] <rww> 'cause, you know, https and gpg are about the same in terms of ease of verification *sigh*
[20:10] <SpikeSpiegel> I got a ban on my old cloak, #ubuntu-women *!*@unaffiliated/gitgud .... can you just use $a:GitGud or just *!*@*/gitgud so I don't accidentally join it, I can't remember all the places im banned.
[20:10] <SpikeSpiegel> that would be great love you. bye
[20:11]  * rww facepalms
[20:12] <rww> is pisg the new freenude
[20:13] <rww> sqlite> select distinct host from records where host like 'pisg%';
[20:13] <rww> pisg/bruh/gitgud
[20:13] <rww> pisg/stats/bot
[20:13] <rww> pisg/user/nolsen
[20:13] <rww> pisg/user/windows98sqlite> select distinct host from records where host like 'pisg%';
[20:13] <rww> pisg/bruh/gitgud
[20:13] <rww> pisg/stats/bot
[20:13] <rww> pisg/user/nolsen
[20:13] <rww> pisg/user/windows98
[20:13] <rww> oops, did it twice. oh well, you get the idea
[20:13] <rww> i'ma go with "yes"
[20:14] <Unit193> Missed 'pisg/user/eclipse'
[20:15] <rww> apparently i don't share channels with them then :P
[22:10] <valorie> lucky you!
[22:11] <valorie> how does one "accidently join" a channel?
[22:14] <rww> well see, he has no trouble ignoring the channel guidelines and trolling, but ignoring the channel guidelines and ban-evading would be terrible
[22:14] <rww> and he's banned from so many places that he can't keep track
[22:14] <rww> alternatively: he's being attention-seeking
[22:15] <valorie> bingo
[22:15] <rww> side-note: this is his third cloak in as many weeks, and i've let staff know how thrilled i am by this
[22:16] <valorie> yet we still do not have the technology to just directly shock spammers and trolls every time they spam and troll
[22:16] <valorie> sigh
[22:17] <valorie> oh well, it keeps mods occupied....
[22:18] <rww> Xenthys: hello. something we can help with?
[22:18] <Xenthys> rww: I'd like to say Windows98 isn't affiliated with us anymore
[22:18] <Xenthys> and hello yes o/
[22:18] <rww> elaborate on "us"?
[22:19] <Xenthys> pisg
[22:19] <rww> dropped windows98 and picked up gitgud, fun
[22:20] <Xenthys> GitGud seems fair, he came here :p
[22:20]  * rww facepalms
[22:20] <elky> he's not.
[22:20] <k1l_> why doesnt freenode staff give /known/troll cloaks so people do not have to keep track of that various cloaks
[22:21] <Xenthys> well, we gave him that cloak and he didn't abuse it (yet?), time will tell
[22:21] <elky> you're giving cloaks to people who are using them to terrorise channels. you should probably stop giving out cloaks
[22:21] <rww> Two things:
[22:21] <rww> actually, three
[22:22] <rww> 0) who cares, it'll be some other group giving out stupid cloaks next month
[22:22] <rww> 1) behavior of people you cloak reflects on your group
[22:22] <k1l_> Xenthys: fyi: gitgud was just banned again from ubuntu channels because he used your cloak to troll again
[22:22] <rww> not just ubuntu channels, btw
[22:23] <rww> 2) hopefully at some point the ratio of "pisg mentions because of trolling" vs. "pisg mentions because of actual development on pisg" will change, because i would like to be able to use it
[22:24] <Xenthys> can I reply to those 3 points?
[22:24] <rww> I don't think it'd be too relevant to #ubuntu-ops, really.
[22:25] <rww> I mean, you can, but I'm not interested in having a protracted conversation about this.
[22:27] <Xenthys> I'll be quick then: 0 -> you seemed to care enough to list people with a pisg cloak from your DB; 1 -> if someone with a pisg cloak is distorbing the channels, feel free to tell us; 2 -> we're working on it, even if I have a lot of exams atm so I'm not completely into it yet
[22:28] <Xenthys> (please ignore the typos ó_ò)
[22:29] <rww> 0) takes about 10 seconds, sqlite's open in another screen, 1) GitGud's disturbing a bunch of channels and is a flagrant troll, 2) okay. I look forward to seeing commits that aren't Sebastian messing with pisg.cfg soon
[22:29] <elky> nolsen also joined gitgud in activities elsewhere earlier.
[22:30] <rww> s/tian/tien/
[22:30] <Xenthys> We perfectly know GitGud's abilities and nolsen's past, that's why if you have a log snippet from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com don't hesitate
[22:31] <valorie> why give cloaks to known trolls?
[22:31] <elky> Xenthys: you're in the freenude channel. you can go look yourself.
[22:32] <rww> ah. that explains a lot.
[22:34] <elky> yeah if a channel called "freenude" takes a cloak from a person for misusing the cloak, it's probably a bad idea to give them a cloak.
[22:34] <elky> i expected that to be common sense, but apparently it's not that common.
[22:37] <Xenthys> how to say/explain my thoughts, I miss some words :/…
[22:41] <Xenthys> whatever, if you have proofs about a disturbing activity from him or anyone with a cloak like that you know where to report it, and about GitGud we know him as someone else than that common troll and we somewhere expected him not to "betray" (didn't find a more appropriate word) us
[22:41] <Xenthys> well, I guess I'm off-topic and not really welcome here, you know where to find me
[22:43] <elky> see now i'm pretty sure i just reported it to him.
[22:45] <genii> I knew these freenude cloaks were going to be trouble eventually
[22:46] <rww> flippant staff ideas usually are. i mean, look what happened when they made me staff :D
[22:46] <elky> they were from the first second they were made
[22:46] <k1l_> genii: that is why they changed to pisg cloaks :/
[22:46] <rww> most of them didn't
[22:46] <elky> they were originally freenude/staff/ and instantly were used by some for trying to impersonate staff
[22:46] <elky> so...
[22:47] <rww> maybe it's a form of catalzying
[22:47] <genii> Hm
[22:47] <rww> if you give them what they want, they might feel bad and stop trolling!
[22:47] <rww> it's not any more naive than the usual catalyst ideas