[07:31] <damascene> Lubuntu 16.04 has the shortcuts at the bottom bar over the menu button http://i.imgur.com/Q6F8YcJ.png should I report it?
[07:33] <wxl> damascene: as of which version? i've been away from my vm.
[07:34] <damascene> wxl, 16.04
[07:35] <wxl> damascene: 16.04 is in development. we get a different one every day.
[07:36] <damascene> wxl, it's for RTL language when display is from right to left. I think it's not something temporarily
[07:36] <wxl> damascene: well, i can say with certainty i've run versions of 16.04 that don't have this, at least not by default
[07:37] <damascene> sure it's only if you have RTL interface
[07:37] <wxl> have you experienced this in earlier versions?
[07:38] <damascene> I'm doing testing for 16.04. I do not have earlier version
[07:40] <wxl> damascene: can you confirm it does not happen if the rtl interface is not used?
[07:41] <damascene> wxl, sure
[07:41] <damascene> I just flipped the interface recently and it was working well before
[07:41] <wxl> damascene: then yes, i would file a bug, but it would have to be against the package that deals with this interface. i assume it's in the kernel?
[07:42] <wxl> damascene: by flipped, do you mean you toggled the power/cxn?
[07:42] <damascene> wxl, http://i.imgur.com/Q6F8YcJ.png explains it
[07:43] <damascene> I think It's related to the DE not the kernel
[07:43] <wxl> damascene: that explains the package? explains what you meant by flipped? both? neither?
[07:43] <wxl> damascene: and what evidence do you have for that?
[07:43] <damascene> wxl, explain what flipped mean. look at the bottom right corner
[07:44] <wxl> damascene: you said you "flipped the interface." this is something you can do with an rtl device? i'm sorry, i'm completely unfamiliar with the things.
[07:45] <damascene> wxl, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-left
[07:46] <wxl> damascene: but correct me if i'm wrong but the language shown in the screen shot is not an RTL language
[07:46] <damascene> it's when a language is written or read from right to left then it's called RTL script. Every thing is normal. just the overlapping icon over the menu button
[07:46] <damascene> wxl, it's RTL language. It's Arabic
[07:47] <wxl> damascene: "New Image" and "Settings Toolbar" is Arabic?
[07:47] <damascene> wxl, no. but it's not translated
[07:48] <damascene> normally where do you have the shutdown button? to the left or to the right?
[07:48] <wxl> damascene: so you're telling me you could apply rtl to any language? where in the gui do you select it?
[07:49] <damascene> wxl, no, when you chose any RTL language like Arabic, Persian, Urdu, or Hebrew you get a RTL interface
[07:49] <wxl> damascene: but i don't see any of those languages in the picture you sent
[07:49] <damascene> I just selected Arabic in language selector and got this
[07:50] <wxl> ok so let's go through this step by step
[07:50] <damascene> ok
[07:50] <wxl> 1. you had a default desktop
[07:50] <damascene> yeah
[07:51] <damascene> 2. went to language selector and installed Arabic language support
[07:51] <damascene> 3. moved Arabic to be the top language in the list of languages
[07:51] <wxl> and when you say language selector, you mean /usr/bin/gnome-language-selector?
[07:51] <damascene> 4. log out and log in
[07:51] <damascene> yes
[07:51] <wxl> and after either 2 or 3, did the panel change?
[07:52] <damascene> after 3
[07:53] <damascene> I mean 4
[07:53] <wxl> damascene: ok so before 4 did the panel have arabic on it or english?
[07:53] <damascene> wxl, no
[07:53] <wxl> damascene: that's not a yes or no question
[07:54] <wxl> damascene: either/or: english or arabic?
[07:54] <damascene> the panel was neither Arabic nor English
[07:54] <damascene> it's just the direction
[07:54] <wxl> you didn't have any windows open?
[07:54] <wxl> for example, language selector?
[07:55] <damascene> the direction did not change until I finished step 4
[07:55] <wxl> i'm not asking about the direction
[07:55] <damascene> no change will be applied till you log out
[07:55] <wxl> so it was english?
[07:55] <damascene> yes
[07:56] <wxl> and when you logged in, apparently it was english based on the screen shot?
[07:56] <damascene> no from where do see that the interface is English? Having some text in English does not mean that the interface is English. the menu content are all in Arabic and well translated
[07:57] <damascene> should I add some Arabic text to my picture 😊
[07:57] <wxl> so did the menu change to arabic before you logged off?
[07:58] <damascene> no
[07:59] <wxl> but it did when you logged back on?
[07:59] <damascene> seriously?
[07:59] <wxl> look i'm trying to figure out if this is rtl or the language causing the problem
[07:59] <damascene> rtl = language direction
[08:00] <wxl> if you don't know what the source of the problem is, it's difficult to say what package to file it against
[08:00] <damascene> I'm sure it's lxde
[08:00] <wxl> if you want to guess, that works too
[08:00] <wxl> which component of lxde?
[08:00] <wxl> and how are you *sure*?
[08:00] <wxl> if it's an educated guess, that's fine
[08:00] <damascene> or the panel. I've been familiar with these types of bugs
[08:01] <wxl> in ehsy?
[08:01] <wxl> oops
[08:01] <wxl> in what?
[08:01] <wxl> other linucies? other flavors of ubuntu?
[08:01] <damascene> the button panel maybe is the package that has the problem.
[08:01] <wxl> i think *maybe*
[08:02] <damascene> wxl, well that's what I came here for to get an expert advice
[08:02] <wxl> in fact, i don't think i know what it is. i have no evidence to say what it's not.
[08:02] <wxl> damascene: bugs that aren't reproducible are really difficult to fix
[08:03] <damascene> wxl, sure if you do not try to reproduce them
[08:03] <wxl> damascene: what it needs is clear steps to reproduce
[08:03] <damascene> did you have install the language support of any RTL languages?
[08:03] <wxl> damascene: where you could, in fact, completely re-install and have the same thing happen
[08:04] <wxl> damascene: i've never had to bother. i'd be happy to try to reproduce if i knew clear steps
[08:05] <damascene> sure thank you, but as I said it's just like that. Install Arabic or Persian language support then move it to the top of the language list the logout and login
[08:05] <wxl> ok here's what i'll try to do
[08:06] <wxl> vm is loaded
[08:06] <wxl> it's an older xenial
[08:06] <wxl> i've been asked to install additional support and i accepted
[08:06] <wxl> now which language should i pick or what other selections should i make?
[08:07] <damascene> wxl, Arabic or Persian
[08:08] <damascene> it's written like this
[08:08] <damascene> العربية
[08:08] <wxl> i assume i have to install them first?
[08:08] <wxl> cuz so far i only see english
[08:08] <damascene> yeah install them first
[08:09] <wxl> i'm only going to do arabic
[08:09] <wxl> hold on i'm getting a 404
[08:10] <damascene> maybe you should do apt-get update before you run the language selector
[08:12] <wxl> ok so now i've moved it up to the top language
[08:12] <wxl> now what?
[08:13] <damascene> log out then log in and there might be a choice in the interface to chose the language from
[08:13] <wxl> so i dismiss the dialog first?
[08:14] <wxl> i don't apply system wide?
[08:14] <damascene> no need
[08:14] <wxl> hahaha now i'm really stuck
[08:15] <damascene> why?
[08:15] <wxl> https://i.imgur.com/nIpPQ5s.png
[08:15] <damascene> in the top right corner you can find a place where you can change the language from
[08:15] <wxl> actually there's the change
[08:16] <wxl> so it's only the change to arabic
[08:16] <wxl> of course the trash is on the other side
[08:16] <damascene> wxl, do not accept it
[08:16] <damascene> chose the right button
[08:16] <wxl> i'm saying this shows the bug already damascene
[08:16] <wxl> or am i wrong?
[08:16] <damascene> yeah it does
[08:16] <wxl> ok so the bug is when you change to arabic this happens
[08:17] <wxl> after logging out and logging back in
[08:17] <damascene> Arabic and other languages who share the RTL
[08:17] <wxl> EVERYTHING is shifted to the other side
[08:17] <damascene> the shift is not the problem. the problem is just in the overlapped button
[08:17] <damascene> down  in the corner
[08:17] <wxl> ok well we don't see that so far, right?
[08:18] <wxl> oh no wait we do
[08:18] <damascene> wxl, that is the bug
[08:19] <damascene> wxl, I'll report it then and hope you cconfirm it
[08:19] <damascene> put what is the name of the package?
[08:19] <wxl> hard to say
[08:19] <wxl> if we try another flavor and it doesn't happen, then it's in lubuntu
[08:19] <wxl> if we try another flavor and it does happen, it's probably something more core to the ubuntu project in general
[08:20] <wxl> damascene: you still have this machine open?
[08:20] <damascene> yeah
[08:20] <wxl> damascene: could you pastebin your /apt/get/sources.list ?
[08:20] <damascene> it's not in core Ubuntu because this panel is not something you find outside lxde
[08:20] <wxl> damascene: there are panels outside of lxde
[08:21] <wxl> damascene: and all of those panels are based on, in general, pretty core technologies
[08:21] <wxl> damascene: for example, lxpanel does not manage the time, though it does display it and even though there are graphical tools to set the time
[08:21] <damascene> wxl, not in unity and not in gnome shell
[08:22] <wxl> damascene: neither unity nor gnome shells have panels?
[08:22] <damascene> not bottom panels with menu, no
[08:23] <wxl> they don't have menus?
[08:23] <wxl> and they don't have panels somewhere, even though they're not on the bottom?
[08:24] <damascene> every one of those has it's own problems with RTL
[08:24] <wxl> damascene: then what makes you think it's not the same core problem?
[08:25] <damascene> because it's different. trust me
[08:25] <wxl> computer science is not built on a foundation of trust
[08:25] <wxl> no science is
[08:25] <wxl> its built on a foundation of fact
[08:26] <damascene> I think we spent enough time on confirming it. let us leave it to developers to decide from which package this problem is
[08:26] <wxl> so tl;dr what to file it against? i see no reason to file it against anything in particular. if it were me i'd explore further and see how many other things it would effect
[08:26] <wxl> damascene: like i said, though, if you want to guess, knock youself out
[08:26] <wxl> damascene: and please subscribe lubuntu packages team
[08:27] <damascene> ok, thank you for helping
[08:27] <wxl> sure thanks for making ubuntu better, for speakers of all languegs :)
[08:40] <damascene> wxl, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/1537334 could you please confirm or add your notices?
[08:44] <jeremiis> hello, i have a problem to watch a dvd with vlc. I have the error ES_OUT_RESET_PCR called. I am novice on lubuntu. who can help me ?
[10:41] <peaceful> Hi
[10:42] <peaceful> How can i temporarily disable pulseaudio?\
[10:50] <lycan_s> congratulations on your excellent distribution, could revive my lenovo s10e netbook
[12:35] <damascene> galculator numbers become white on white background when selected on 16.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/galculator/+bug/1532117 can  you confirm it?
[18:43] <lubuntu129> Is there any way to use the Unity desktop in Lubuntu? (I think it looks nice)
[18:44] <lubuntu129> After installing it via apt-get, it did not show up in the display manager's menu and only (somewhat) worked with the 'unity' command in a terminal.
[21:52] <libben> Hi, just installed Lubuntu 16.04 on an HP Stream 7 tablet. I'd like to use a virtual keyboard with it; one that pops up every time I enter text. I have configured Onboard to do just that, but I believe it's a gnome package and refuses to operate like that without what it calls "gnome-accessability". Any ideas on how I can get a keyboard to auto-show?
[21:55] <redwolf> it's a gnome package, yes, but you can use it anyway with Lubuntu
[21:56] <redwolf> are you limited in space for that installation?
[21:56] <redwolf> sudo apt-get install onboard
[22:00] <libben> no I'm not limited. I installed it, yes, but using onboard-settings to tell it to auto-show when I need to enter text doesn't make it auto-show when I need to enter text.
[22:23] <krytarik> libben: Did you see this?: https://answers.launchpad.net/onboard/+question/248878
[22:28] <libben>  krytarik: no, I haven't seen that before. I'll try installing the packages mentioned.
[22:28] <libben> THanks
[23:02] <libben> did not work. Onboard isn't even launching right now, I"ve found out. THe error I'm getting is "AT-SPI: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus. Is at-spi-bus-launcher running "
[23:02] <libben> *running?"