[04:18] <xubuntu46w> I have an Eclipse Fit Clip Plus 8GB MP3 + Video player which I want to download music to. Windows is stated for the download on their recommendation of iTunes and I have Xubuntu with LInux and Firefox on my laptop. Can you assist me in the process I will need to download music to this new MP3 player?
[05:39] <xubuntu30w> Anyone here?
[09:18] <xubuntu41o> how to upgrade zubuntu 14.04 to 14.10 online
[09:20] <flocculant> xubuntu41o: 14.10 is out of support since the middle of last year https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[09:20] <flocculant> the next simple upgrade for 14.04 will be when 16.04 is released, you'll get the LTS to LTS upgrade option
[10:50] <morrowyn> hi, i need to run a program as root , how do i "run as administrator" from xfce like you have on windows?
[10:55] <morrowyn> gksudo did the trick :)
[19:45] <xubuntu07i> hiya! with EFI and separate /boot partition, which partition should I install the bootloader to?
[19:45] <xubuntu07i> I selected the whole disk, /dev/sda, is that right?
[19:46] <xubuntu07i> nevermind actually. i'll see after a reboot :D
[19:46] <Linus_> good question, i think the whole /dev/sda
[19:52] <Linus_> so which is the right answer? now i am second guessing myself
[19:59] <Linus_> huh?  --->  "Note that in a UEFI-mode installation, Ubuntu will not ask you where to install the boot loader"
[19:59] <Linus_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[19:59] <xubuntu-07i> OK so installing the bootloader to /dev/sda *did* work. Also it did ask me, because I chose "something else"
[19:59] <xubuntu-07i> HOWEVER
[20:00] <xubuntu-07i> I had set up the luks-encrypted LVM vg already, but when I tried to use "something else" and selected those logical volumes to install the OS to, it installed, but i guess it didn't realize that those partitions were encrypted.
[20:01] <Walliski> Cant have the boot loader encrypted I suppose, since when it runs there is no software to decrypt stuff
[20:01] <xubuntu-07i> So I have an almost-working installation, but it doesn't ask me for the disk password on startup, so it gives up and goes to the BusyBox initramfs.
[20:01] <Walliski> AFAIK that comes when it starts loading the initramfs?
[20:01] <xubuntu-07i> Oh well, ESP and /boot were NOT on the vg
[20:01] <xubuntu-07i> so they were unencrypted
[20:01] <xubuntu-07i> but I guess i need to edit /etc/crypttab?
[20:02] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: why not  set up encryption, during install?
[20:02] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: and why use LVM?
[20:03] <Walliski> xubuntu-07i, unfortunately I've never done such a thing so can't help you there :P
[20:03] <xubuntu-07i> I wanted to have a separate /home partition. If I choose "encrypt the disk" ubiquity selects "use lvm" also. So I thought i had to. Also it makes things easier to resize and stuff.
[20:03] <xubuntu-07i> Also, if I chose "install with encrypted LVM" it would not create a home partition, so I had to do that bit myself
[20:05] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i:  i use LUKS with no LVM, keeps it simple
[20:05] <xubuntu-07i> hmmmm
[20:05] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: you gotta do "something else"
[20:05] <xubuntu-07i> the only way i can think of encrypting / and /home as a group would be to use LVM though...
[20:06] <Linus_> if you just want encrypted /home with LUKS, and no LVM
[20:06] <xubuntu-07i> No I want encrypted / too
[20:06] <xubuntu-07i> cause I prefer LUKS over ecryptfs (the "encrypt my home folder" option)
[20:06] <Linus_> yes, LUKS is best
[20:07] <Linus_> but you mean mean you only want to have to enter the password once? to decrypt both  /  & /home  ?
[20:07] <Linus_> good question
[20:09] <Linus_> how do you do that?
[20:09] <xubuntu-07i> idk but i did it before...
[20:09] <Linus_> i dont like LVM cuz it adds needless complexity
[20:10] <xubuntu-07i> I especially don't want an encrypted volume inside another one because I assumed that would cause a lot of SSD-damaging writes
[20:10] <xubuntu-07i> I have a system installed but not booting so i think lack of /etc/crypttab is the culprit
[20:11] <Linus_> when doing "something else"  i select "Primary, "physical volume for encryption"  ext4"  <--- that does LUKS
[20:12] <Walliski> With unlocking Home there seems to be a way to do this using keys that are saved in files also?
[20:12] <Walliski> If I with my 10 minute googling understand it correctly
[20:12] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: also make sure it's formatted to GPT before you start
[20:12] <Walliski> That you could have the / unlocked by password, and then automatically unlock rest by keys stored in files on the root partition
[20:13] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: and before that, do a ATA secure erase, if it is a used drive (that speeds it up)  GNOME disks does it
[20:13] <Linus_> for SSD ^
[20:13] <Walliski> Since the keys would then be encrypted by the first password, and readable only by root (in which case someone has root access on your machine you have bigger problems)
[20:13] <Walliski> Suppose I should stop rambling now :D
[20:13] <xubuntu-07i> Walliski I would do that but I think crypto-in-crypto is bad for SSDs
[20:14] <xubuntu-07i> Oh and if adding crypttab doesn't work, Linus_ I'll try that
[20:14] <Walliski> Humm ?
[20:15] <Linus_> http://worldofgnome.org/uploads/2012/08/erase-options.png
[20:15] <Walliski> Wouldnt that be 2 different encryptions on 2 different partitions, but the first one unlocks the second?
[20:15] <xubuntu-07i> Well I think you implied there would be /, which is encrypted and then a file in the / part needed to unlock the /home part, right?
[20:15] <xubuntu-07i> Ohhh
[20:15] <Linus_> http://worldofgnome.org/a-preview-of-gnome-disks-3-6/
[20:15] <Linus_> http://www.anandtech.com/show/2738/8
[20:15] <xubuntu-07i> Linus_ I'll do that if this crypttab thing doesn't work
[20:15] <Linus_> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSD_Memory_Cell_Clearing
[20:15] <xubuntu-07i> Unfortunately I'm on IRC from the live medium so I'd have to reconnect to test it out
[20:16] <xubuntu-07i> which would be now, brb
[20:23]  * xubuntu-07i sighs
[20:24] <xubuntu-07i> it didn't work this time
[20:24] <Walliski> :(
[20:25] <xubuntu-07i> Linus_ what was your approach for separate /home again?
[20:25] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: what didnt work?
[20:26] <xubuntu-07i> adding an entry for magnesium (my vg's name) to /etc/crypttab
[20:26] <Linus_> my way works, except you need to input the password twice--- now i'm curious, as to a way around thta
[20:26] <xubuntu-07i> I think LVM is that way...
[20:26] <Linus_> VG means, LVM right
[20:26] <Linus_> why do you want LVM?
[20:27] <bekks> Because still using partitions is a bit oldskool.
[20:28] <xubuntu-07i> I don't want an encrypted home folder inside of the encrypted root volume, I *do* want them both encrypted, and I want them on separate volumes
[20:28] <xubuntu-07i> that's why
[20:28] <Linus_> LVM adds complexity/overhead, more chance of corruption, --- encryption is already doing enough of that  :P
[20:28] <bekks> Then dont encrypt your home folder, when having a fully encrypted system already.
[20:28] <bekks> Linus_: LVM is state of the art, nowadays.
[20:29] <Linus_> bekks: he wants separate partitions though
[20:29] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: that is another option, use one parition
[20:29] <bekks> LVM, multiple volumes, done.
[20:30] <xubuntu-07i> The problem is that Ubiquity didn't see /dev/mapper/magnesium-{root,home,swap} as encrypted partitions, it saw them as separate disks. So if I install to those separate volumes using ubiquity, it thinks the system has three unencrypted disks.
[20:30] <xubuntu-07i> Which results in my laptop not asking for my passphrase on boot, which is where I am now.
[20:30] <Linus_> you can have separate partitions, for /  /home, with LUKS.  you dont need LVM for that
[20:31] <xubuntu-07i> Though if I do that, can I encrypt them as one volume?
[20:31] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: i think you need to enter ur password twice
[20:32] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: You can encrypt your disk fully, then setup LVM inside your encrypted disk.
[20:32] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: You will have one encryption level, and as many volumes as you want.
[20:33] <xubuntu-07i> Yes! OK how do I do that? I'm on the installation medium, and I have a backup of /home
[20:33] <xubuntu-07i> That's how it was before
[20:33] <Linus_> that is the other option,  but is adding the complexity of LVM, worth the couple seconds  you save entering password once.  IMO, no
[20:33] <xubuntu-07i> bekks: Linus_: LVM is state of the art, nowadays.
[20:34] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: I know. Thats what I told you.
[20:34] <xubuntu-07i> Right. I feel like we're going in circles?
[20:34] <Linus_> ur choice, i just like to keep things simple, streamlined.  i hate corrupted disks, problems, etc
[20:34] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: So you want full disk encryption, and LVM?
[20:34] <xubuntu-07i> Yes that's right
[20:35] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: OK. :)
[20:35] <Linus_> now i am curious , if there is a way to enter password once, *without* LVM,  hmmmm, any linux wizards in here?
[20:35] <Linus_> becuase that is what you really want right? ^
[20:35] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FullDiskEncryptionHowto
[20:36] <xubuntu-07i> http://i.imgur.com/izFv7j0.png if that's what I did, couldn't I just add a /home partition after the install?
[20:37] <xubuntu-07i> I think that tutorial is pre-EFI bekks
[20:37] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: I never used the graphical installer until now.
[20:37] <Linus_> another downside of that option, is you cant do GPT    xubuntu-07i
[20:37] <Linus_> GPT is "state of the art"   :P
[20:38] <xubuntu-07i> which option, the screenshot i posted or the wiki tutorial
[20:38] <bekks> Only if your computer fully supported UEFI.
[20:38] <xubuntu-07i> It does
[20:38] <bekks> Linus_: And why cant he use GPT?
[20:38] <xubuntu-07i> ^
[20:38] <xubuntu-07i> erm... they/them/their please
[20:39] <Linus_> oh, i thought that was a link to the auto-installation.  if you click auto-install/encrypt.  it forces MBR, and swap. correct?
[20:39] <bekks> Linus_: No.
[20:40] <Walliski> If you are doing it again from the beginning, take a look at the Arch wiki
[20:40] <Walliski> Since there were different ways of doing it
[20:40] <xubuntu-07i> Mind resending that link?
[20:40] <Walliski> Of which some are mentioned already, e.g. creating encrypted drive, and LVM inside that... or LVM on outside, and encrypting afterwards...
[20:40] <Walliski> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Overview
[20:41] <Linus_> i'm pretty that his screenshot does MBR-only (not GPT) , but maybe newer versions of ubuntu fixed that?
[20:43] <Walliski> Then again it might need some magic to fit toghether with the xubuntu installation, however it says which steps are required
[20:43] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: if you want to get real fancy, you can recompile cryptsetup, to give you better key-stretching  :)
[20:44] <Linus_> oh, wait, you dont have to recompile, but IMO  , it is easier that way
[20:44] <xubuntu-07i> Last time I did that it worked with EFI (don't ask why there *was*  a last time, though :P)
[20:46] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: ur screenshot works with EFI, i think.... but not GPT, iirc
[20:46] <xubuntu-07i> ..................................
[20:46] <xubuntu-07i> I think as long as my EFI can boot to my drive it doesn't matter the partition scheme :P
[20:47] <bekks> Start the ubuntu server install, create the full disk encryption using GPT, and you are fine. Instead discussing it in here, endlessly.
[20:47] <xubuntu-07i> ubuntu server eh?
[20:47] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: the screenshot, also makes a SWAP.  which i dont like
[20:47] <xubuntu-07i> why not?
[20:48] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: text based installation, option to create full disk encryption.
[20:48] <Linus_> RAM is cheap.  xubuntu-07i
[20:48] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: Because he dont like suspend to disk.
[20:48] <xubuntu-07i> yea i want that
[20:48] <bekks> Then you need swap.
[20:48] <xubuntu-07i> right
[20:48] <xubuntu-07i> ok
[20:49] <bekks> As large as your RAM, plus about 100M.
[20:49] <Linus_> and swap is security vuln..  like i said, i like my computer streamlined  :P
[20:49] <xubuntu-07i> How dangerous would it be to write the ubuntu server iso to the USB drive i'm booted on? live boots from ramdisk right?
[20:49] <Linus_> http://thesimplecomputer.info/full-disk-encryption-with-ubuntu
[20:49] <Linus_> http://thesimplecomputer.info/pages/ubuntu-fde-condensed
[20:50] <Linus_> great info, explains what i've been saying,  but he is more hardcore than me  :P
[20:50] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: No ramdisk involved.
[20:50] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: It would be booting the ubuntu server installer from USB.
[20:51] <Linus_> plus, i've went thru corrupted HDDs,---- not fun.  Clean-room prices suck.
[20:51] <bekks> You didnt have backups then, right?
[20:52] <xubuntu-07i> I would assume not.
[20:52] <bekks> Then the data was not worth being kept.
[20:53] <Linus_> what is the big benefit of suspend-to-disk, anyway?
[20:53] <bekks> Continuing a pointless discussion.
[20:53] <Linus_> not pointless, i'm asking what i'm missing..
[21:00] <xubuntu-07i> Sometimes I need to suspend for a long time, or because I left the battery at home to reduce weight.
[21:03] <Linus_> i just log out.  safer.   but if you r gonna stay logged in.... use "vlock -sn"  instead of xscreensaver, to lock ur screen
[21:03] <xubuntu-07i> why not xscreensaver?
[21:03] <Linus_> not hardcore enough  :P
[21:04] <xubuntu-07i> usually suspend to disk locks first
[21:04] <Walliski> then again if you log out you loose your session, and would need to open all programs and stuff again
[21:04] <Walliski> O:)
[21:05] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: oh wait...... if you use a Password for  "/"  and a keyfile for "/home" , that should work, with one password
[21:05] <Linus_> No LVM needed.... Tada!
[21:06] <xubuntu-07i> If home fills up I'd like to be able to resize it later
[21:07] <xubuntu-07i> I think I've got it from here. I'm using http://thesimplecomputer.info/full-disk-encryption-with-ubuntu and adjusting for LVM
[21:07] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: Just use the ubuntu server installer.
[21:07] <bekks> xubuntu-07i: No need for weirdo 3rd party howtos.
[21:07] <xubuntu-07i> ok yea i'll try that instead
[21:07] <Linus_> :P
[21:07] <xubuntu-07i> forgot about it
[21:07] <xubuntu-07i> that'll work for GPT, EFI, the whole lot, right?
[21:07] <bekks> 5Sure.
[21:08] <bekks> Even without the 5.
[21:08] <xubuntu-07i> lol
[21:08] <Linus_> i like  my weirdo how-tos
[21:09] <Linus_> xubuntu-07i: also, if your /Home fills up, remember, you can also move files to  /
[21:09] <Linus_> you dont need LVM for that, or to resize ur partition
[21:09] <bekks> Moving files does not solve the problem of resizing.
[21:09] <xubuntu-07i> right
[21:09] <Linus_> it solves the problem of a full drive
[21:09] <xubuntu-07i> there will be no /home2!
[21:09] <bekks> So can we finally end this pointless discussion bout using LVM?
[21:09] <xubuntu-07i> i think so :D
[21:10] <bekks> Them/they/their want to use LVM, period.
[21:10] <Linus_> i'm just tryin' to help a brother out, giving options  :)
[21:10] <xubuntu-07i> Thanks for that
[21:10] <xubuntu-07i> Yea thanks everyone!
[21:12]  * Linus_  pats himself on the back for figuring out the  password + keyfile trick,  for /home
[23:07] <xubuntu07i> OK so I just used the default graphical installer. I don't have a /home partition but I can live with that :)
[23:08] <xubuntu07i> It's encrypted, and hibernate works, so I'm good
[23:09] <xubuntu07i> hey that rhymes (DoomBoom left the room)
[23:16] <xubuntu07i> But I forgot the dotfiles when I backed up, and that includes ~/.minecraft! I lost all my saves.
[23:17] <xangua> You don't have a/home partition? :-/
[23:18] <xangua>  If you mean you installed all in a single partition, you'll find a separate partition is more useful for backup or reinstall
[23:21] <xubuntu07i> I know, and for backup I usually do `cp -a` or `tar c` anyway, so it isn't necessary really unless I install another OS, which I don't plan on doing.