[03:28] <bluesabre> night all, will be more useful tomorrow
[09:24] <flocculant> bluesabre: remember the hdmi/tv off issue - I get no signal if I turn tv off/on - works if I forget about xfsettingsd 
[13:10] <bluesabre> flocculant: what do you mean by that last bit, "works if I forget about xfsettingsd"?
[13:10] <flocculant> hey bluesabre :)
[13:10] <bluesabre> heya
[13:11] <flocculant> if I stop it, disable it from session startup - reboot without xfsettingsd - I can turn the tv on and off as much as I like and don't lose signal 
[13:12] <flocculant> seems to be like bug 1308105
[13:12] <bluesabre> ah
[13:12] <bluesabre> yes, probably that
[13:12] <flocculant> but if I do the script - and the udev rule it doesn't work
[13:12] <flocculant> and - from that bug it seemed to be pre 4.12 
[13:12] <bluesabre> basically disabling xfsettingsd allows xrandr to be in charge
[13:12] <flocculant> so I was a bit *shrug( 
[13:12] <bluesabre> yeah
[13:12] <bluesabre> its a pain :(
[13:13] <flocculant> indeed
[13:13] <flocculant> tbh if I could fix it simply I will - but turning the pc off isn't so much of a hardship :D
[13:14] <flocculant> certainly not worried enough to keep xfsettingsd killed and put up with the fallout from that ;)
[13:14] <flocculant> is it worth me adding up to date info to the bug(s) ?
[13:35] <bluesabre> flocculant: doesn't hurt to add another comment to the bug
[13:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: are contributions on the bug bounties pretty popular? it might be worthwhile to throw a bunch of money at that bug to get somebody to come in and fix it fully
[13:37] <bluesabre> *code contributions
[14:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack - got it working with a one liner from the xfce bug - better than getting up :p
[14:12] <bluesabre> flocculant: which one?
[14:12] <flocculant> while true; do xrandr -d :0 --output HDMI1 --mode 1920x1080; sleep 3; done
[14:13] <flocculant> in the bug it sleeps for 10, but 3 works here :)
[14:13] <flocculant> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11107#c48
[14:14] <flocculant> d'oh ... should have not been lazy and typed comment 48 :p
[14:15] <bluesabre> :)
[14:18] <flocculant> bluesabre: I was scratching my head in this clean install on the parole menu issue till I remembered ppa ... lol
[14:18] <flocculant> not sure how I managed to forget ppa's :D
[14:22] <bluesabre> which issue?
[14:22]  * bluesabre struggles at connecting the dots this morning
[14:22] <flocculant> the full full screen one :)
[14:23] <bluesabre> aha
[14:23]  * flocculant always struggles supplying enough dots for people to connect with :)
[14:23] <bluesabre> I really need to push a new parole release soon
[14:23] <bluesabre> maybe today
[14:24] <bluesabre> looking to fix these three today in catfish
[14:24] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/catfish-search/+bug/1508918
[14:24] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/catfish-search/+bug/1461072
[14:24] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/catfish-search/+bug/1523164
[14:24] <bluesabre> all kinda related
[14:25] <flocculant> yea - I certainly know about one of them :)
[14:27] <flocculant> bbl 
[14:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: have fun and a good day :)
[14:27] <bluesabre> seeya flocculant 
[14:28] <flocculant> oh - ack a2 and 14.04 - I'll work 14.04 in 
[14:30] <ochosi> bluesabre: so far i think ther is about zero awareness for xfce bug bounties
[14:30] <ochosi> because we dont expose them anywhere in the tracker or website
[14:30] <bluesabre> ochosi: allllrighty then
[14:30] <bluesabre> :D
[14:30] <ochosi> so yeah, not sure throwing money would help
[14:33] <flocculant> still here - helping studio ... 
[14:33] <flocculant> afternoon ochosi :)
[14:34] <flocculant> any excuse to not open the tin of gloss paint is a winner 
[14:37] <bluesabre> :D
[14:37] <ochosi> afternoon everyone
[14:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: any opinion on whether to go with xfpm 1.4 or 1.5/6 with xenial from your side
[14:38] <ochosi> personally i think it's more realistic that we'll do fixes for 1.5/6
[14:38] <ochosi> 1.4 is pretty much done
[14:38] <bluesabre> ochosi: I can see that, but I also see that progress slowed to a halt there at the same time
[14:38] <ochosi> small fixes like the ones that landed in git master recently can partly be backported and included as distro patches
[14:39] <ochosi> yeah actually the bugs we intended to fix were done and the gtk3 port was finished and feature wise on par
[14:39] <ochosi> i guess that was one of the reasons for no more progress
[14:39] <bluesabre> gotcha
[14:39] <ochosi> since we decided not to implement too many new features in the port
[14:40] <ochosi> it's not a 1:1 entirely, but almost
[14:40] <ochosi> we should've just released 1.6 at some point
[14:40] <bluesabre> since the interface is done, maybe we can get some patches to make the devices tab look a bit better in numix
[14:40] <ochosi> it's really stable, i've been using it for ages
[14:40] <ochosi> a-ha, what does it look like? (looks okay in greybird)
[14:41] <bluesabre> https://i.imgur.com/arRMU17.png
[14:41] <bluesabre> using the moka theme, so thats why icons are a bit off
[14:42] <ochosi> ouch
[14:42] <ochosi> greybird: http://i.imgur.com/SXpGjkf.png
[14:43] <ochosi> and maybe more importantly adwaita: http://i.imgur.com/x1mUWM6.png
[14:44] <ochosi> moka doesn't have the needed device icons
[14:44] <bluesabre> seems like if we just draw borders, things might improve all around
[14:44] <ochosi> that's partof the issue
[14:44] <ochosi> potentially, but we could also use different widgets
[14:45] <ochosi> it's possible to add the frame class to the notebook that holds the detailed info
[14:46] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/mG2hXYG.png
[14:48] <ochosi> theoretically could also add the sidebar class
[14:48] <bluesabre> that seems to help
[14:48] <ochosi> it works but i'm not sure i like that version: http://i.imgur.com/Z9f8D3N.png
[14:49] <ochosi> with adwaita it doesn't make a diff
[14:49] <ochosi> so i guess adding the frame class to the gtknotebook would be ok
[14:50] <bluesabre> yeah, no sidebar class :D
[14:51] <bluesabre> well, that makes it a table in numix it seems
[14:51] <bluesabre> https://i.imgur.com/dL6ikT6.png
[14:52] <bluesabre> aha
[14:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: put it in a GtkScrolledWindow
[14:53] <bluesabre> there could potentially be lots of properties anyway
[14:53] <ochosi> no you added the frame to the wrong widget
[14:53] <ochosi> you have to add it to the gtknotebook
[14:53] <ochosi> not the treeview
[14:54] <flocculant> I knew that ... :p
[14:54] <ochosi> by default the inspector gives you the treeview
[14:54] <bluesabre> ah
[14:54] <ochosi> but you have to go up one level in the hierarchy
[14:54] <bluesabre> could be good to have the scrolled window anyway
[14:54] <bluesabre> but testing
[14:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: better
[14:56] <ochosi> thought so
[14:56] <bluesabre> dunno why the frame around the viewport on the left fails though
[14:56] <ochosi> theme setting
[14:56] <ochosi> adwaita draws one
[14:57] <bluesabre> https://i.imgur.com/QyfPk51.png
[14:57] <bluesabre> fun
[14:57] <bluesabre> theme baseed on adwaita does not follow adwaitas properties :D
[14:58] <ochosi> this should do it: http://dpaste.com/0W48Y9P
[14:58] <ochosi> at least for the right side
[14:59] <bluesabre> yup, that's good for that patch
[14:59] <ochosi> if you want to work on the left side, i guess we have to be more inventive ;)
[15:00]  * bluesabre might patch numix later
[15:01] <ochosi> yeah
[15:01] <ochosi> sounds like a plan
[15:01] <ochosi> alright, so i'll quickly test my patch and then push that
[15:01] <bluesabre> sweet, thanks
[15:02] <ochosi> no worries
[15:03] <bluesabre> going to probably work on some patches for the indicator plugin soon... I want to make sure svg icons scale correctly (some currently just zoom in on a tiny part of the icon), a configurable max size like the notification plugin would be nice, and the ability to hide specific applications indicators
[15:03] <ochosi> you can look in the history of the plugin
[15:03] <ochosi> that functionality used to be there
[15:03] <bluesabre> ah
[15:03] <bluesabre> why was it dropped?
[15:04] <ochosi> cause the indicator api was changed
[15:04] <ochosi> as always ;)
[15:04] <bluesabre> :D
[15:04] <ochosi> it used to be scalable
[15:04] <ochosi> then it *always* supplied 22px icons
[15:05] <ochosi> cause ya know, convenient for unity's panel
[15:05] <bluesabre> ack
[15:05] <ochosi> so andrzejr_ (or someone else?) changed the plugin
[15:05] <ochosi> and now with hidpi support they had to make it flexible againn
[15:05] <bluesabre> :D
[15:05] <ochosi> a cat and mouse game
[15:05] <ochosi> naturally we're the mouse (xfce)
[15:06] <ochosi> ok, xfpm patch pushed
[15:06] <bluesabre> :D
[15:06] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi 
[15:07] <ochosi> to be frank, we should use more modern widgets there
[15:07] <ochosi> but yeah, 1:1 port...
[15:08] <bluesabre> is it dual gtk2/gtk3, or gtk3-only at this point?
[15:08] <ochosi> gtk3-only
[15:08] <bluesabre> might as well upgrade then
[15:08] <ochosi> sure, but ya know, it's work!
[15:09] <ochosi> and we haven't even released a stable gtk3 version
[15:09] <bluesabre> what gtk3 version is xfce 4.12 targeting?
[15:09] <bluesabre> 4.14*
[15:09] <ochosi> it used to be 3.6 :D
[15:09] <ochosi> (actually that was when 4.12 was planned as a port)
[15:09] <ochosi> now it's 3.16 iirc
[15:09] <bluesabre> oh good
[15:10] <ochosi> no
[15:10] <ochosi> 3.14
[15:10] <bluesabre> 3.16/3.18 are similar enough to be theme compatible
[15:10] <bluesabre> awww
[15:10] <ochosi> yeah, even 3.14 to 3.16 was fairly ok
[15:10] <ochosi> 3.20 will be *bad*
[15:10] <ochosi> (or good, depending on how you look at it
[15:10] <ochosi> )
[15:10] <bluesabre> baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad
[15:10] <bluesabre> for existing themes
[15:11] <bluesabre> good time for a port though, since EVERYTHING changes
[15:11] <ochosi> yeah
[15:11] <ochosi> not sure what that means for xfce
[15:12] <bluesabre> 4.12 gets some LTS patches and 4.14 targets 3.20+
[15:12] <ochosi> anyhow, we still have so much porting to do that we'll likely bump the gtk3 target again
[15:12] <bluesabre> yup
[15:21] <ochosi> bluesabre: so what's up today? any plans?
[15:22] <bluesabre> ochosi: working on catfish bugs, and possibly parole bugs and a new release
[15:22] <ochosi> cool
[15:24] <bluesabre> ochosi: what do you have going on today?
[15:24] <ochosi> i'm handing out commit rights to a numix contributor (hope)
[15:28] <bluesabre> nice
[15:30] <ochosi> other than that my daughter might wake up any minute ;)
[15:46] <ochosi> maybe test that greybird pull request
[16:03] <bluesabre> :)
[16:04] <ochosi> actually that pull request looks ok
[16:04] <ochosi> (not that i care too much about java apps...)
[16:10] <bluesabre> :D
[17:47] <flocculant> bluesabre: ooh ooh - I like to see "This should now be resolved with the following commit." :)
[17:50] <bluesabre> flocculant: :D
[17:50] <bluesabre> took a while to figure out just what was broken there
[17:51] <flocculant> but in awesome bluesabre fashion you came through :)
[17:51] <bluesabre> :)
[17:51] <flocculant> I do actually read changelogs when I see things *we* might want to know about - so I will be watching for it :p
[17:52] <bluesabre> flocculant: if I can fix one or two more bugs today, I'll get a new release out today or early this week
[17:52] <flocculant> okey doke 
[17:54] <flocculant> bluesabre: re *your* ppa's - currently the qa contr doc stuff shows the 3 we had before - should I push a change when they land - ie once you've set them up they're not going to keep changing? 
[17:56] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'll probably just have that new format for catfish, menulibre, and mugshot... everything else we can have in the xubuntu ppas (and can make sure we have dailies for those in xubuntu daily ppa as well)
[17:56] <flocculant> ok - that makes sense, just wanted to be sure what you were going to do
[17:56] <flocculant> so - 6 ppa's in total 
[17:57] <flocculant> some I guess will end up with little going on 
[17:57] <bluesabre> yeah
[17:58] <flocculant> I'd rather have too much information tbh - try and get past the 'what about this then?' as much as possible
[17:58] <bluesabre> mugshot: pretty basic, just changing to keep up with gtk/glib/cheese apis; menulibre: probably restructuring the backend (at some point) to be completely xdg compliant... and then fixing xfce's menu to actually be compliant; catfish: not much else to go before a stable release and then just bug fixes
[17:59] <bluesabre> parole: stable, bug fixes
[17:59] <bluesabre> xfce: porting to gtk3... at some point
[17:59] <flocculant> :p
[17:59] <flocculant> bluesabre: while I'm looking 
[17:59] <bluesabre> xfpanel-switch: supporting more plugins
[18:00] <flocculant> nvm 
[18:00] <bluesabre> flocculant: hmm?
[18:00]  * bluesabre prods flocculant
[18:01] <flocculant> I Was going to ask something - then looked at versions again :D
[18:01] <flocculant> xfpm in daily/staging
[18:01] <bluesabre> gotcha
[18:01] <bluesabre> that should be working again
[18:01] <bluesabre> breakage left and breakage right
[18:01] <bluesabre> :D
[18:02] <flocculant> staging is newer - but daily appears to have been changed today with an older version - confusing me :p
[18:02] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ppa should be whats in git
[18:03] <bluesabre> oh, I see the confusing
[18:03] <bluesabre> *confusion
[18:03] <bluesabre> need to bump the version number in that ppa
[18:03] <bluesabre> will try to take care of that today
[18:04] <flocculant> bluesabre: re the tv signal thing - I bought one of these http://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/range/novatechpockithdnpi17.html , took 20 minutes after it turning up at the door to have it working :)
[18:04] <flocculant> including sorting out nfs
[18:04] <flocculant> fixed to the wall currently :)
[18:04] <bluesabre> nice
[18:05] <bluesabre> that one-liner would be good for that then
[18:06] <flocculant> yea 
[18:06] <flocculant> seems to work fine 
[20:07] <Unit193> andrzejr_: BTW, did you see Debian 808942 and Debian 811098?
[20:08] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: something for you to think about on the mailing list
[20:19] <andrzejr_> Unit193, 808942 is probably just the gtk2 vs gtk3 theming issue. Xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin uses gtk3 so it needs a theme that supports both gtk2 and 3.
[20:20] <andrzejr_> not a bug but not optimal. I assumed Xfce will move to gtk3 soonish and looks like that was wrong.
[20:21] <Unit193> Hah, well you know Xfce!  And yeah, xfce-look or some default themes don't do well with that type of crap.
[20:23] <andrzejr_> not sure about 811098, haven't seen that before. It could be that the gtk3 style in use itself is buggy or it uncovers an issue in the plugin.