[01:55] <k1l_> what cables/dongles/adapters do i need to plug my n4 into dockmode?
[02:01] <dobey> k1l_: slimport mhl for the hdmi, and bt kb/mouse if you mean for the "convergence" mode when docked
[02:05] <k1l_> hmm, dont have a bt mouse.
[02:25] <andywork> dobey: does it really have to be an mhl adapter?
[02:26] <k1l_> iirc i saw some pictures with some otg cables using a usb mouse?
[02:27] <dobey> andywork: as opposed to what?
[02:28] <andywork> some new version that doesn't require external power for the adapter
[02:28] <dobey> k1l_: yeah, on the device afaik. i'm not sure mhl+usb are doable on the slimport. but i'm not 100% certain.
[02:29] <k1l_> dobey: a right
[02:30] <dobey> eh?
[02:30] <dobey> "mhl slimport adapter" search on amazon shows me lots of things that don't have external power adapters
[02:31] <andywork> ok, then perhaps i am wrong
[02:32] <Elleo> dobey: aren't mhl and slimport different things? I thought they were competing standards, so you'd either have an MHL adaptor or a slimport adapter depending on the device (slimport for nexus 4)
[02:33] <dobey> Elleo: i have no idea about that. afaik, micro usb is micro usb
[02:34] <dobey> i guess http://www.tested.com/tech/android/457205-mhl-vs-slimport/ answers it
[02:35] <andywork> i did a quick search, "SlimPort is an alternative to Mobile High Definition Link (MHL)"
[02:35] <dobey> Elleo: i guess the answer is "everybody really wants miracast anyway"
[02:37] <Elleo> dobey: maybe, I'm not certain miracast will be that great for desktop style usage due to the increased latency; it's good for streaming videos and stuff to a display, but I'm not sure it'll be as good as MHL or SlimPort for more interactive usage
[02:37] <Elleo> I'd be very happy if I'm wrong about that though
[02:38] <k1l_> Elleo: with todays hardware or in general?
[02:40] <dobey> Elleo: eh, i don't know enough about all the wireless video or usb-to-whatever options to say much more about it. it's not something i'm likely to ever use anyway. i'm more interested in system integration features
[02:41] <Elleo> k1l_: not sure, I wouldn't rule anything out in terms of improvements being made, but the primary aim of the standard was multimedia display rather than interactive use, so I doubt latency gets that much attention
[02:42] <k1l_> ah ok
[02:42] <Elleo> k1l_: it only takes a small amount of latency for things like mouse movements to feel really awkward
[02:42] <Elleo> but I don't know how much can be tweaked from the ubuntu side
[02:44] <dobey> Elleo: well, the stereo in my truck has some thing where it can use miracast from the phone, and bluetooth, to do things. that doesn't have a mouse pointer though, just uses the stereo for the touch screen to tap on things and such
[02:44] <dobey> i don't know how well it works either though
[02:44] <dobey> but anyway
[02:45] <Elleo> yeah, from a bit of googling it sounds like while most adapters have pretty awful latency (300ms - 3000ms) there are some very low latency ones
[02:45] <Elleo> so it seems possible to do low latency stuff with miracast
[02:45] <dobey> can't do too much with my nexus 5 anyway, without bluetooth
[02:46] <Elleo> anyway, I should get to bed :)
[02:47] <dobey> yeah. it's horribly cold here, so i think it's time to go bury myself for the night
[07:25] <delijati> app publish is down "Service unavailable. Please try again later"
[09:16] <V99> hi everyone
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good evening all!  Have a rotten Monday, and a terrible Opposite Day! 😃
[11:32] <zzarr> hello!
[11:33] <zzarr> is there a way to transmit the display wireless from my phone? (MX4)
[11:41] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: transmit?
[11:48] <zzarr> lotuspsychje, what I meant was connect a external display over a wireless protocol
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: you want to stream something from your phone to another screen over wifi?
[11:51] <zzarr> lotuspsychje, yes, I wish to have a desktop environment on an external monitor over a wireless connection
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: how about you wait for the convergence to happen? but i think that will be over cable
[11:54] <zzarr> lotuspsychje, but if I understand it correctly convergence is coming in the next update
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> i think that will be in OTA9 indeed
[11:55] <zzarr> sadly my phone don't have the possibility to connect an external monitor via cable
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: mx4 does have an usb right?
[11:57] <zzarr> yes, but no HDMI support
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: i think some devices will be able to convergence over the usb port with adapter
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: but not sure about mx4, dont shoot me ok :p
[11:59] <zzarr> the MX4 don't have any support for MHL
[11:59] <zzarr> (HDMI over USB)
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: ah, then im not sure mate
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: we soon all will know whats gonna happen on ota9
[12:00] <zzarr> yes
[12:10] <zzarr> maybe Aethercast is the answer
[12:10] <delijati> app publish is not working anymore
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> delijati: file a bug or find an existing bug?
[12:11] <robin-hero> MX4 doesn't support SlimPort or MHL, so you can't connect to an external monitor via cable. But Canonical is working on a wireless solution: https://launchpad.net/aethercast
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: tnx for the info mate
[12:12] <robin-hero> np
[12:12] <tathhu> :o
[12:13] <delijati> @lotuspsychje alread did
[12:13] <zzarr> robin-hero, I knew that SlimPort and MHL don't work, but do you know if aethercast will be available in OTA-9?
[12:15] <robin-hero> zarr, certainly not, it is still in a very early stage, maybe the end of the year. but this is only a speculation, I'm not a Canonical employee
[12:15] <delijati> @lotuspsychje https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/1537656
[12:16] <robin-hero> zzarr, ^
[12:16] <robin-hero> zzarr, There's a lot of work to do: https://plus.google.com/+PopescuSorin/posts/hjpu8q2oCMy
[12:16] <zzarr> thanks robin-hero, but I hope I will be able to install a alpha/beta sometime
[12:17] <robin-hero> zzarr, I hope that so, because my main phone is a Bq Aquaris E4.5, and that also doesn't support SlimPort...
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> delijati: not sure mate, idle here a bit until devs awake they might know
[12:18] <delijati> lotuspsychje: ack
[12:18] <zzarr> just flip the monitor 90 degree to the right ;)
[12:19] <zzarr> look what I found https://github.com/meizuosc/m75/tree/master/mediatek/kernel/drivers/mhl/driver/mhl_tx_drv
[13:01] <BlackJohnny> Hello! I could use a hint on what reference to check in order to learn what to do when my main ubuntu-touch process is placed in background
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: what do you mean process?
[13:04] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, I am working with the camera from my app and eventually it freezes and does not release anymore the camera an you need a reboot of the phone in order to recover from this situation
[13:04] <BlackJohnny> eventually, if it is placed in the background with "alt-tab"
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: wich phone is this?
[13:05] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, i got the behavior on both BQ and MX4
[13:06] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, and it is only after a few switches
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: updated to ota8?
[13:06] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, 8.5, and it is an app already on the store and some users are complaining about this behaviour
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: wich app?
[13:07] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, and it is not happening so often but it is not ok
[13:07] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, aieye
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: maybe file a new bug for aieye or find and existing one?
[13:08] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, file a new bug to who? :)
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: check the bug link in our topic mate :p
[13:09] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, I read that this is an architecture decision and somehow you need to take care of the state
[13:09] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, but I dont know where is this documented
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: ah i see you are the writer of this app?
[13:10] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, yes :)
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> cool :p
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: well filing a bug could be relevant for others to troubleshoot right
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: if an app freezes the system, we should at least know why...
[13:11] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, not the entire system but it blocks the access to the camera even for the default camera app
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: you have the camera app enabled in system settings right?
[13:12] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, I do
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> app permission camera
[13:12] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, I will dig more into the documentation
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: i would file a new bug...
[13:13] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, it is working ok most of the time :)
[13:13] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, ok, thanks
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: have you tried also a reset to defaults and try aieye?
[13:13] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, that I have not tried
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: as maintainer, i would advise that :p
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: to be sure its not solved
[13:15] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, I will do that but I have the feeling I need to release the camera when my app is sent to background
[13:15] <BlackJohnny> lotuspsychje, thanks
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> BlackJohnny: maybe you should talk to app creators that use the camera app also? they might know
[14:44] <delijati> app store publish is down
[14:45] <beuno> delijati, how so?
[14:45] <beuno> looks fine
[14:46] <delijati> beuno: https://bugs.launchpad.net/developer-portal/+bug/1537656
[14:46] <beuno> delijati, did you try again?  :)
[14:47] <beuno> matiasb, ^
[14:47] <delijati> beuno: a minute ago
[14:49]  * matiasb looks
[14:53] <matiasb> delijati, hmm... just tried here, without issues, let me check your particular case
[14:53] <delijati> matiasb: i try it again maybe my screenshots are to big ?
[14:53] <delijati> too
[14:54] <matiasb> delijati, I think that shouldn't interfere, but maybe you can try uploading without the screenshots and adding them later
[14:54] <delijati> matiasb: ok i try it
[14:57] <delijati> matiasb: its still not working :/
[14:58] <delijati> matiasb: should i try a different browser im using firefox ?
[14:59] <matiasb> delijati, ok :-/ browser shouldn't make a difference, I'm checking if I can find anything related to your case
[14:59] <delijati> matiasb: ack
[15:04] <CheeryLee> Hey, guys! Where should I flash the Ubuntu Touch tarball? In which folder?
[15:08] <CheeryLee> Earlier I flashed it in /system library. It was 2013. But how now?
[15:09] <CheeryLee> Oops... I want to say folder, not library
[15:28] <CheeryLee> Is anybody here?
[15:30] <matiasb> delijati, afaict, it seems there is some conflict with your package version and previous uploads; I'd try to re-upload your package with an updated version number, and check if that works
[15:32] <CheeryLee> Can you help me with flashing the system image?
[15:37] <delijati> matiasb: hmm ok but there is not app listet under https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/ -> "You have no packages."
[15:57] <matiasb> delijati, right, you still need to upload it as a new package, but updating the version number in your package may fix the problem (from what I can check, your upload may be conflicting with a previous failed one), since upgrading the version number will process it as a completely new binary
[15:58] <delijati> matiasb: ahh ok thanks i give that a try
[16:02] <delijati> matiasb: btw. it there a more "cli" way of uploading a click app?
[16:03] <matiasb> delijati, yes, you can take a look at click-toolbelt, https://launchpad.net/click-toolbelt
[16:05] <delijati> matiasb: ahh perect exactly what i was searching for :)
[16:18] <n4fa> Is there any way to delete cookies from webbrowser-app?
[16:33] <matv1> I remember there was a telegram irc channel fr ubuntu cli. Is it still active? if yes whats the channelname?
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> !alis | matv1
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> matv1: seems like its ##telegram
[17:01] <matv1> lotuspsychje cheers :)
[17:03] <delijati> matiasb: i got error while using click_toolbelt i've added tickets for that .. now i try to upload it it again through the form
[17:04] <matv1> lotuspsychje but thats not it :(
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> matv1: alis doesnt give much more im affraid
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> matv1: ##irc-telegram and #telegram small chans
[17:06] <delijati> matiasb: through the form it worked now ... thanks
[17:07] <matv1> yeah i used my irc client to do a channel search. I supose it does the same as alis does. it gives me a bunch of results but its not there
[17:07] <matv1> i am sure it existed at some point
[17:08] <matiasb> delijati, ack, great! and thank you too
[17:21] <delijati> matiasb: just one more question; when can i expect my app to be published (reviewed)
[17:24] <mcphail> delijati: if your app passes automatic review, it is usually published in a few seconds
[17:25] <matiasb> delijati, right, it seems yours didn't pass the checks though
[17:25] <delijati> mcphail: ahh i see "Automated review found 1 errors and 0 warnings."
[17:26] <mcphail> delijati: that ill need to be fixed before it can be published
[17:26] <mcphail> *will
[17:26] <delijati> matiasb: can i see this error somewhere ?
[17:27] <matiasb> delijati, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/4389/rev/1/
[17:29] <delijati> matiasb: should be that pyc file removed ?
[17:30] <delijati> matiasb: lint_control_architecture_valid_contents hmm
[17:42] <delijati> matiasb: ok i see i have to edit the "architectures" manifest.json
[17:53] <delijati> matiasb: done; thanks for your help
[17:58] <matiasb> delijati, there you go, I see you got it published, great :)
[17:59] <delijati> matiasb: first qml app :)
[18:55] <peto> hi, is someone working on ROM for N7000?
[19:14] <peto> nobody?
[19:19] <dobey> peto: at least probably nobody whom is currently on-line in this channel and has seen your question. check the xda-dev forums perhaps. we don't keep a general tally of who is working on what ports, in this channel at least.
[19:21] <peto> dobey: ok thanks, i have a look, but cant find nobody :)
[19:24] <dobey> peto: then i guess nobody is doing it. so go ahead and do it yourself. :)
[19:26] <peto> dobey: i dont know , whether i can to this :)
[19:28] <dobey> peto: the porting guide is linked in the topic
[19:36] <peto> dobey: must I have AOSP for the N7000? can you say me?
[19:45] <dobey> yes
[19:49] <peto> dobey: thanks
[22:38] <Niju> Has anyone set up Fruux for calendar/contacts on their UT?
[22:39] <Niju> Would I need to set up a crontab for auto syncing?
[22:49] <strixdio> anyone know if it is possible to chromecast netflix, youtube, and other media from ubuntu-touch?