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| knome | i just finished an amd64 full-disk installation | 12:36 |
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| flocculant | anything you saw odd? | 12:36 |
| knome | nope | 12:36 |
| flocculant | good | 12:37 |
| knome | well, a notice about blueman crash | 12:37 |
| flocculant | yea - that's been hanging about for weeks now | 12:37 |
| knome | and then on the right-click menu on desktop, i see the xubuntu website and contribute to xubuntu items | 12:37 |
| knome | didn't we clean them up already? | 12:37 |
| flocculant | seems not | 12:38 |
| knome | yep | 12:38 |
| knome | we should take care of that | 12:38 |
| knome | i'll file a bug and attach it to appropriate place | 12:38 |
| knome | s | 12:38 |
| flocculant | ok | 12:38 |
| Akxwi-dave | hhhmmm I did a full amd64 again yesterday and didn't get the blueman crash(first time in ages).. I did it on a lenovo thinkpad | 13:03 |
| Akxwi-dave | knome, there should already be one for the Blueman crash.. i filled one last week... Let me get the number | 13:05 |
| Akxwi-dave | Bug #1533206 | 13:06 |
| ubottu | bug 1533206 in blueman (Ubuntu) "Blueman-apport crash on login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533206 | 13:07 |
| knome | Akxwi-dave, i did the install on vbox | 14:04 |
| Akxwi-dave | knome, must admit all the ones I did where i got the crash was on vox, i'll re-test tonight with todays build on hardware to double check.. just incase its a vbox crash | 14:06 |
| knome | yeah | 14:08 |
| Akxwi-dave | flocculant, knome, Re blueman crash, can confirm that the crash on boot to live doesn't happen on real hardware (got a Tosh satellite pro, one of my users brought in to look at) just tried with amd64 and i386. I386 on vbox, blueman definately crashed.. | 15:16 |
| Akxwi-dave | Will do full install later on my Lenovo lappy | 15:17 |
| knome | Akxwi-dave, i wonder if the crash is about not finding any suitable bluetooth devices | 15:28 |
| knome | because you won't have such on vbox | 15:28 |
| knome | but most laptops do | 15:28 |
| Akxwi-dave | true and makes logical sense.... I have a spare Lenovo Thinkcentre as well (with no Bluetooth).. I can install on that as well to confirm | 15:30 |
| knome | i'd think that might be a good thing to do when trying to see if it's a vbox issue or not | 15:31 |
| knome | thanks for taking care :) | 15:31 |
| flocculant | Akxwi-dave knome - don't see the blueman crash on my hardware, no bluetooth available unless I plug in a dongle | 16:10 |
| knome | mhm | 16:10 |
| knome | then it's likely vbox... | 16:10 |
| flocculant | entirely possible | 16:11 |
| akxwi-dave | knome flocculant : right I have installed todays daily on both a Laptop and desktop pc.. I got the blueman crash on the desktop with no Bluetooth device.. But didn't get it with the Laptop with a bluetooth device | 20:22 |
| knome | mmh | 20:23 |
| knome | weird | 20:23 |
| akxwi-dave | :-) | 20:26 |
| ochosi | evening | 20:53 |
| flocculant | evening ochosi | 21:02 |
| knome | Unit193, sooooo | 21:15 |
| knome | Unit193, do you know if the proposer is the only one who can add more reviewers for a MP? | 21:15 |
| knome | Unit193, or if adding people means you have to do a new MP? | 21:16 |
| knome | bluesabre, i left you an issue @ github. | 21:18 |
| Unit193 | 1. Don't know, would guess not. 2. No, you can just request more reviewers. | 21:18 |
| knome | Unit193, well i can't seem to add more reviewers in one *cough* of your MP's | 21:19 |
| flocculant | knome: just updating image - don't see blueman here booting it from grub to hardwaree | 21:19 |
| knome | Unit193, would you mind adding one? | 21:19 |
| knome | flocculant, mhm | 21:19 |
| Unit193 | I don't see that getting anywhere. | 21:19 |
| knome | Unit193, well regarding my last comment on the MP | 21:20 |
| Unit193 | I saw that. | 21:20 |
| knome | Unit193, there is a person whose surname is the same as somebody who is well known from a popular detective series | 21:20 |
| knome | Unit193, who happens to be an admin of the team who is subscribed to the MP | 21:20 |
| knome | Unit193, even if it didn't go anywhere with that, i'd try it. | 21:21 |
| Unit193 | knome: Right, we pinged him at one point and that's not really his field anymore. | 21:22 |
| Unit193 | Does it need re-submitted via that button, btw? | 21:22 |
| Unit193 | There. | 21:24 |
| knome | Unit193, if it isn't, then i hope this request makes him pass on the administrator hat to somebody else, who we can then ping | 21:26 |
| knome | Unit193, if you want, you can leave a comment like "Adding X (admin of the CD image team) as a reviewer to make sure this MP is moving forward." | 21:27 |
| knome | Unit193, guess you can even add "(r=ochosi)" | 21:27 |
| * knome hides | 21:27 | |
| knome | in fact, i think he can even approve that addition | 21:28 |
| knome | Unit193, also, if you can *remove* reviewers, you can remove the other open one | 21:29 |
| knome | i don't think you can though | 21:29 |
| Unit193 | I can't. | 21:29 |
| knome | slickymaster, sooooo | 21:41 |
| knome | slickymaster, maybe you saw a message about the contributor docs on the mailing list (from a google code-in student) | 21:41 |
| slickymaster | yesssss | 21:41 |
| slickymaster | yes I did, this morning | 21:42 |
| knome | the contest has ended and obviously the task closed, but i would imagine you can still ask for more details if you want | 21:42 |
| slickymaster | and was about to ping his mentor re it | 21:42 |
| knome | mhm | 21:42 |
| knome | flocculant, i guess it partly interests you too ^ | 21:42 |
| knome | flocculant, but i'm sure you have seen the mail | 21:42 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: fwiw, xenial has the gtk3 overlay scrollbars enabled | 21:42 |
| slickymaster | the way I read the mail it seems to be just a some requests | 21:42 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: iirc you disabled those for 15.10 | 21:43 |
| knome | slickymaster, i was asking for feedback about the contibutor docs | 21:43 |
| slickymaster | hey ochosi, benonsoftware | 21:43 |
| knome | slickymaster, this is basically after they have read the documentation and thought how it could be improved | 21:43 |
| slickymaster | but was that the the task itself, knome? | 21:43 |
| knome | slickymaster, rather than "i come here and demand change" | 21:43 |
| slickymaster | ok, i understand | 21:43 |
| knome | slickymaster, let me dig up the exact wording | 21:43 |
| flocculant | knome: yea - I did see that | 21:43 |
| slickymaster | but there are a few points that I don't see getting into the docs | 21:44 |
| knome | slickymaster, same here | 21:44 |
| knome | well actually it's pretty much this: http://pad.ubuntu.com/GCI | 21:44 |
| slickymaster | let read it knome | 21:44 |
| flexiondotorg | flocculant, I can confirm the Blueman crash on Ubuntu MATE 16.04 too. | 21:46 |
| flexiondotorg | In a VirtualBox guest on a host with Bluetooth. | 21:46 |
| slickymaster | ok, knome, that's the set of specifications you created for the task | 21:46 |
| flocculant | flexiondotorg: what we're wondering about is when it actually crashes - seems to constantly on vbox, but not hardware - I don't crash on hardware someone else does | 21:47 |
| flocculant | knome: not sure about making pages shorter though - just means we end up with page upon page | 21:48 |
| slickymaster | it's funny though how people these days tent to override the 'getting bored' aspect of -docs with the massive addition of all types of graphic media | 21:49 |
| slickymaster | knome: ^^^ | 21:49 |
| flocculant | and I have the obligatory flocculant repsonse to cartoons ... | 21:49 |
| slickymaster | and there's some sort of contradiction in his suggestions knome | 21:50 |
| flocculant | slickymaster: they don't teach people to read and write at school anymore | 21:50 |
| slickymaster | on one hand he says that the documentation is very long and has many information | 21:50 |
| flocculant | then it's too much to read :p | 21:50 |
| slickymaster | on the other he asks for more examples and instances for some part of the documentation | 21:51 |
| flocculant | don't forget this is someone <18 | 21:51 |
| slickymaster | didn't know that, flocculant | 21:51 |
| knome | slickymaster, flocculant: i'm not saying anything in there is something we NEED to put in the docs, but the things in the mail might give you an inspiration to do something | 21:51 |
| knome | slickymaster, yeah, the code-in contest was for 13-17 yo non-university students | 21:52 |
| slickymaster | noted | 21:52 |
| flocculant | I thought it wasn't a bad review tbh | 21:53 |
| knome | no | 21:53 |
| knome | it was the better of the two | 21:53 |
| slickymaster | no it wasn't | 21:53 |
| flocculant | knome: was there another ? | 21:54 |
| slickymaster | and I wasn't lashing it | 21:54 |
| knome | flocculant, that didn't end up on the mailing list, but yeah, there was | 21:55 |
| flocculant | right | 21:55 |
| knome | flocculant, unfortunately it's not worth digging up | 21:55 |
| flocculant | :) | 21:55 |
| slickymaster | lol, was about to ask if there was anything fruitful in the other, knome | 21:55 |
| knome | or let's put it this way - i had to make sure the person had understood the task in at least some way to be able to give them an approved | 21:56 |
| flocculant | :) | 21:56 |
| slickymaster | right teach | 21:58 |
| ochosi | meh, updating greybird has become so tedious... | 22:07 |
| ochosi | this is really the last time before i move to SASS | 22:07 |
| ochosi | Unit193, knome: any of you following -release..? | 22:20 |
| flocculant | I think we are | 22:20 |
| flocculant | not necessarily actively though in all cases | 22:21 |
| ochosi | i mean *now* | 22:21 |
| knome | no | 22:21 |
| ochosi | flexion was proposing something that sounds a tiny bit like x-core | 22:21 |
| flocculant | sounds more or less the same to me | 22:21 |
| ochosi | ("x-core" sounds a bit dirty btw, we should keep the "xubuntu" part) | 22:22 |
| knome | flexiondotorg, are you planning to call it "ubuntu mate core"? | 22:23 |
| knome | flexiondotorg, or "ubuntu basic" | 22:23 |
| flexiondotorg | Ubuntu MATE Basic | 22:23 |
| knome | flexiondotorg, because we're in the middle of a very similar process, but it's pausing because they don't want us to call it "core" apparently | 22:24 |
| Unit193 | flexiondotorg: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167 | 22:24 |
| knome | (and anything else than desktop/dvd brings at least slight grins on their faces) | 22:24 |
| flexiondotorg | Yeah, I avoid "core" because Ubuntu Snappy Core | 22:24 |
| knome | would you be willing to consider "base" instead of "basic" if it happened they wanted these two grouped under the same product type? | 22:25 |
| flexiondotorg | knome, Base is good too :-) | 22:25 |
| flexiondotorg | Better than Basic. | 22:25 |
| knome | ochosi, ^ comment please | 22:25 |
| ochosi | sure, i'd be fine with -base | 22:26 |
| knome | i mean, it might get use more friction if it was two flavors requesting the same stuff for the same purpose | 22:26 |
| flexiondotorg | So we've got the same idea here. | 22:26 |
| ochosi | in general i'm not too picky with the name, if we can get behind the same thing that's probably more valuable | 22:26 |
| flexiondotorg | Should we perhaps use the same suffix? | 22:26 |
| flexiondotorg | -base sounds good to me. | 22:26 |
| ochosi | (not only with the MR, but also in general. more consistency) | 22:26 |
| flexiondotorg | So have the Xubuntu community been asking for this also? | 22:27 |
| flocculant | for a long time | 22:27 |
| flexiondotorg | Cool. | 22:27 |
| flocculant | not really - we're getting ignored | 22:28 |
| flexiondotorg | Ignored? | 22:28 |
| flocculant | 2015-08-15 we proposed it | 22:28 |
| flexiondotorg | Interesting. | 22:29 |
| flocculant | 2015-10-08 is got disapproved and is in someone's 'queue' | 22:29 |
| knome | flexiondotorg, the xubuntu community has asked this from the xubuntu team (but not ignored), the xubuntu team has asked this from ubuntu cd image team but disapproved because "core" | 22:29 |
| flexiondotorg | I guess the Ubuntu MATE people must have seen it. | 22:29 |
| flexiondotorg | Because that roughtly when I got asked about doing something similar. | 22:29 |
| flexiondotorg | So I split out the -core/-desktop stuff a bit more in 15.10 to prepare. | 22:29 |
| Unit193 | That's when the ISO stuff started, the seeds barely missed trusty's release. | 22:30 |
| flocculant | Unit193: yea - so it did | 22:31 |
| flexiondotorg | knome, Is https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167 | 22:47 |
| flexiondotorg | Everything that needs doing? | 22:48 |
| knome | flexiondotorg, you should ask Unit193 | 22:48 |
| flexiondotorg | Looks like 3 MPs. | 22:49 |
| flexiondotorg | https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core | 22:49 |
| flexiondotorg | https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/livecd-rootfs/xubuntu-core | 22:49 |
| flexiondotorg | https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/debian-cd/xubuntu-core | 22:49 |
| ochosi | night everyone | 22:50 |
| knome | ochosi, i guess you read the news | 22:51 |
| knome | Unit193, krytarik: can you cooperate with flexiondotorg with their stuff too? | 22:55 |
| flexiondotorg | Would be helpful :-) | 22:56 |
| flexiondotorg | I did this stuff about a year ago when Ubuntu MATE was introduced. | 22:56 |
| flexiondotorg | But a bit rusty. | 22:56 |
| knome | there we go... finally, i guess | 22:59 |
| knome | with this sorted for now, i'm off | 23:00 |
| knome | ttyl | 23:00 |
| knome | and thanks flexiondotorg for showing up, i'm sure both of us doing the same helped this move along | 23:00 |
| knome | --> | 23:00 |
| flexiondotorg | knome, No problem. | 23:01 |
| flexiondotorg | I've started working on my patches. | 23:01 |
| Unit193 | Basically, look at the diff, and mirror the changes but for MATE. | 23:05 |
| flexiondotorg | Unit193, Am doing :-) | 23:05 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Can you see whatever it is knome/infinity want? | 23:07 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: huh? | 23:31 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: even for non-pkexec/sudo apps? | 23:32 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: There's a whole mess of backlog in -release, and short end of it is knome got mate to agree to the 'base' name rather than 'core', so things will have to be changed. There's a few last comments from infinity too. | 23:33 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: alrighty, caught up now | 23:40 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: I'll probably need to create new branches since its in your personal branches (and to avoid a nasty merge process) | 23:41 |
| bluesabre | knome: you're probably missing php5-mysql ? | 23:42 |
| * bluesabre always cheats and installs phpmyadmin to grab requirements | 23:42 | |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Right, should be easy to either pull the one I have in or just pull master and merge commits. | 23:47 |
| bluesabre | yup | 23:48 |
| bluesabre | I'll work on getting that done tonight | 23:48 |
| Unit193 | \o/ | 23:48 |
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