[12:36] <knome> i just finished an amd64 full-disk installation
[12:36] <flocculant> anything you saw odd? 
[12:36] <knome> nope
[12:37] <flocculant> good 
[12:37] <knome> well, a notice about blueman crash
[12:37] <flocculant> yea - that's been hanging about for weeks now 
[12:37] <knome> and then on the right-click menu on desktop, i see the xubuntu website and contribute to xubuntu items
[12:37] <knome> didn't we clean them up already?
[12:38] <flocculant> seems not
[12:38] <knome> yep
[12:38] <knome> we should take care of that
[12:38] <knome> i'll file a bug and attach it to appropriate place
[12:38] <knome> s
[12:38] <flocculant> ok
[13:03] <Akxwi-dave> hhhmmm I did a full amd64 again yesterday and didn't get the blueman crash(first time in ages).. I did it on a lenovo thinkpad 
[13:05] <Akxwi-dave> knome, there should already be one for the Blueman crash.. i filled one last week... Let me get the number
[13:06] <Akxwi-dave> Bug #1533206
[14:04] <knome> Akxwi-dave, i did the install on vbox
[14:06] <Akxwi-dave> knome, must admit all the ones I did where i got the crash was on vox, i'll re-test tonight with todays build on hardware to double check.. just incase its a vbox crash
[14:08] <knome> yeah
[15:16] <Akxwi-dave> flocculant, knome, Re blueman crash, can confirm that the crash on boot to live doesn't happen on real hardware (got a Tosh satellite pro, one of my users brought in to look at) just tried with amd64 and i386.  I386 on vbox, blueman definately crashed..
[15:17] <Akxwi-dave> Will do full install later on my Lenovo lappy
[15:28] <knome> Akxwi-dave, i wonder if the crash is about not finding any suitable bluetooth devices
[15:28] <knome> because you won't have such on vbox
[15:28] <knome> but most laptops do
[15:30] <Akxwi-dave> true and makes logical sense....  I have a spare Lenovo Thinkcentre as well (with no Bluetooth).. I can install on that as well to confirm
[15:31] <knome> i'd think that might be a good thing to do when trying to see if it's a vbox issue or not
[15:31] <knome> thanks for taking care :)
[16:10] <flocculant> Akxwi-dave knome - don't see the blueman crash on my hardware, no bluetooth available unless I plug in a dongle
[16:10] <knome> mhm
[16:10] <knome> then it's likely vbox...
[16:11] <flocculant> entirely possible 
[20:22] <akxwi-dave> knome flocculant : right I have installed todays daily on both a Laptop and desktop pc.. I got the blueman crash on the desktop with no Bluetooth device.. But didn't get it with the Laptop with a bluetooth device
[20:23] <knome> mmh
[20:23] <knome> weird
[20:26] <akxwi-dave> :-)
[20:53] <ochosi> evening
[21:02] <flocculant> evening ochosi 
[21:15] <knome> Unit193, sooooo
[21:15] <knome> Unit193, do you know if the proposer is the only one who can add more reviewers for a MP?
[21:16] <knome> Unit193, or if adding people means you have to do a new MP?
[21:18] <knome> bluesabre, i left you an issue @ github.
[21:18] <Unit193> 1.  Don't know, would guess not.  2. No, you can just request more reviewers.
[21:19] <knome> Unit193, well i can't seem to add more reviewers in one *cough* of your MP's
[21:19] <flocculant> knome: just updating image - don't see blueman here booting it from grub to hardwaree
[21:19] <knome> Unit193, would you mind adding one?
[21:19] <knome> flocculant, mhm
[21:19] <Unit193> I don't see that getting anywhere.
[21:20] <knome> Unit193, well regarding my last comment on the MP
[21:20] <Unit193> I saw that.
[21:20] <knome> Unit193, there is a person whose surname is the same as somebody who is well known from a popular detective series
[21:20] <knome> Unit193, who happens to be an admin of the team who is subscribed to the MP
[21:21] <knome> Unit193, even if it didn't go anywhere with that, i'd try it.
[21:22] <Unit193> knome: Right, we pinged him at one point and that's not really his field anymore.
[21:22] <Unit193> Does it need re-submitted via that button, btw?
[21:24] <Unit193> There.
[21:26] <knome> Unit193, if it isn't, then i hope this request makes him pass on the administrator hat to somebody else, who we can then ping
[21:27] <knome> Unit193, if you want, you can leave a comment like "Adding X (admin of the CD image team) as a reviewer to make sure this MP is moving forward."
[21:27] <knome> Unit193, guess you can even add "(r=ochosi)"
[21:27]  * knome hides
[21:28] <knome> in fact, i think he can even approve that addition
[21:29] <knome> Unit193, also, if you can *remove* reviewers, you can remove the other open one
[21:29] <knome> i don't think you can though
[21:29] <Unit193> I can't.
[21:41] <knome> slickymaster, sooooo
[21:41] <knome> slickymaster, maybe you saw a message about the contributor docs on the mailing list (from a google code-in student)
[21:41] <slickymaster> yesssss
[21:42] <slickymaster> yes I did, this morning
[21:42] <knome> the contest has ended and obviously the task closed, but i would imagine you can still ask for more details if you want
[21:42] <slickymaster> and was about to ping his mentor re it
[21:42] <knome> mhm
[21:42] <knome> flocculant, i guess it partly interests you too ^
[21:42] <knome> flocculant, but i'm sure you have seen the mail
[21:42] <ochosi> bluesabre: fwiw, xenial has the gtk3 overlay scrollbars enabled
[21:42] <slickymaster> the way I read the mail it seems to be just a some requests
[21:43] <ochosi> bluesabre: iirc you disabled those for 15.10
[21:43] <knome> slickymaster, i was asking for feedback about the contibutor docs
[21:43] <slickymaster> hey ochosi, benonsoftware 
[21:43] <knome> slickymaster, this is basically after they have read the documentation and thought how it could be improved
[21:43] <slickymaster> but was that the the task itself, knome?
[21:43] <knome> slickymaster, rather than "i come here and demand change"
[21:43] <slickymaster> ok, i understand
[21:43] <knome> slickymaster, let me dig up the exact wording
[21:43] <flocculant> knome: yea - I did see that
[21:44] <slickymaster> but there are a few points that I don't see getting into the docs
[21:44] <knome> slickymaster, same here
[21:44] <knome> well actually it's pretty much this: http://pad.ubuntu.com/GCI
[21:44] <slickymaster> let read it knome 
[21:46] <flexiondotorg> flocculant, I can confirm the Blueman crash on Ubuntu MATE 16.04 too.
[21:46] <flexiondotorg> In a VirtualBox guest on a host with Bluetooth.
[21:46] <slickymaster> ok, knome, that's the set of specifications you created for the task
[21:47] <flocculant> flexiondotorg: what we're wondering about is when it actually crashes - seems to constantly on vbox, but not hardware - I don't crash on hardware someone else does
[21:48] <flocculant> knome: not sure about making pages shorter though - just means we end up with page upon page
[21:49] <slickymaster> it's funny though how people these days tent to override the 'getting bored' aspect of -docs with the massive addition of all types of graphic media
[21:49] <slickymaster> knome: ^^^
[21:49] <flocculant> and I have the obligatory flocculant repsonse to cartoons ... 
[21:50] <slickymaster> and there's some sort of contradiction in his suggestions knome 
[21:50] <flocculant> slickymaster: they don't teach people to read and write at school anymore
[21:50] <slickymaster> on one hand he says that the documentation is very long and has many information
[21:50] <flocculant> then it's too much to read :p
[21:51] <slickymaster> on the other he asks for more examples and instances for some part of the documentation
[21:51] <flocculant> don't forget this is someone <18 
[21:51] <slickymaster> didn't know that, flocculant 
[21:51] <knome> slickymaster, flocculant: i'm not saying anything in there is something we NEED to put in the docs, but the things in the mail might give you an inspiration to do something
[21:52] <knome> slickymaster, yeah, the code-in contest was for 13-17 yo non-university students
[21:52] <slickymaster> noted
[21:53] <flocculant> I thought it wasn't a bad review tbh 
[21:53] <knome> no
[21:53] <knome> it was the better of the two
[21:53] <slickymaster> no it wasn't
[21:54] <flocculant> knome: was there another ?
[21:54] <slickymaster> and I wasn't lashing it
[21:55] <knome> flocculant, that didn't end up on the mailing list, but yeah, there was
[21:55] <flocculant> right 
[21:55] <knome> flocculant, unfortunately it's not worth digging up
[21:55] <flocculant> :)
[21:55] <slickymaster> lol, was about to ask if there was anything fruitful in the other, knome 
[21:56] <knome> or let's put it this way - i had to make sure the person had understood the task in at least some way to be able to give them an approved
[21:56] <flocculant> :)
[21:58] <slickymaster> right teach
[22:07] <ochosi> meh, updating greybird has become so tedious...
[22:07] <ochosi> this is really the last time before i move to SASS
[22:20] <ochosi> Unit193, knome: any of you following -release..?
[22:20] <flocculant> I think we are 
[22:21] <flocculant> not necessarily actively though in all cases
[22:21] <ochosi> i mean *now*
[22:21] <knome> no
[22:21] <ochosi> flexion was proposing something that sounds a tiny bit like x-core
[22:21] <flocculant> sounds more or less the same to me 
[22:22] <ochosi> ("x-core" sounds a bit dirty btw, we should keep the "xubuntu" part)
[22:23] <knome> flexiondotorg, are you planning to call it "ubuntu mate core"?
[22:23] <knome> flexiondotorg, or "ubuntu basic"
[22:23] <flexiondotorg> Ubuntu MATE Basic
[22:24] <knome> flexiondotorg, because we're in the middle of a very similar process, but it's pausing because they don't want us to call it "core" apparently
[22:24] <Unit193> flexiondotorg: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167
[22:24] <knome> (and anything else than desktop/dvd brings at least slight grins on their faces)
[22:24] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, I avoid "core" because Ubuntu Snappy Core
[22:25] <knome> would you be willing to consider "base" instead of "basic" if it happened they wanted these two grouped under the same product type?
[22:25] <flexiondotorg> knome, Base is good too :-)
[22:25] <flexiondotorg> Better than Basic.
[22:25] <knome> ochosi, ^ comment please
[22:26] <ochosi> sure, i'd be fine with -base
[22:26] <knome> i mean, it might get use more friction if it was two flavors requesting the same stuff for the same purpose
[22:26] <flexiondotorg> So we've got the same idea here.
[22:26] <ochosi> in general i'm not too picky with the name, if we can get behind the same thing that's probably more valuable
[22:26] <flexiondotorg> Should we perhaps use the same suffix?
[22:26] <flexiondotorg> -base sounds good to me.
[22:26] <ochosi> (not only with the MR, but also in general. more consistency)
[22:27] <flexiondotorg> So have the Xubuntu community been asking for this also?
[22:27] <flocculant> for a long time
[22:27] <flexiondotorg> Cool.
[22:28] <flocculant> not really - we're getting ignored
[22:28] <flexiondotorg> Ignored?
[22:28] <flocculant> 2015-08-15 we proposed it
[22:29] <flexiondotorg> Interesting.
[22:29] <flocculant> 2015-10-08 is got disapproved and is in someone's 'queue'
[22:29] <knome> flexiondotorg, the xubuntu community has asked this from the xubuntu team (but not ignored), the xubuntu team has asked this from ubuntu cd image team but disapproved because "core"
[22:29] <flexiondotorg> I guess the Ubuntu MATE people must have seen it.
[22:29] <flexiondotorg> Because that roughtly when I got asked about doing something similar.
[22:29] <flexiondotorg> So I split out the -core/-desktop stuff a bit more in 15.10 to prepare.
[22:30] <Unit193> That's when the ISO stuff started, the seeds barely missed trusty's release.
[22:31] <flocculant> Unit193: yea - so it did
[22:47] <flexiondotorg> knome, Is https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167
[22:48] <flexiondotorg> Everything that needs doing?
[22:48] <knome> flexiondotorg, you should ask Unit193 
[22:49] <flexiondotorg> Looks like 3 MPs.
[22:49] <flexiondotorg> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core
[22:49] <flexiondotorg> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/livecd-rootfs/xubuntu-core
[22:49] <flexiondotorg> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/debian-cd/xubuntu-core
[22:50] <ochosi> night everyone
[22:51] <knome> ochosi, i guess you read the news
[22:55] <knome> Unit193, krytarik: can you cooperate with flexiondotorg with their stuff too?
[22:56] <flexiondotorg> Would be helpful :-)
[22:56] <flexiondotorg> I did this stuff about a year ago when Ubuntu MATE was introduced.
[22:56] <flexiondotorg> But a bit rusty.
[22:59] <knome> there we go... finally, i guess
[23:00] <knome> with this sorted for now, i'm off
[23:00] <knome> ttyl
[23:00] <knome> and thanks flexiondotorg for showing up, i'm sure both of us doing the same helped this move along
[23:00] <knome> -->
[23:01] <flexiondotorg> knome, No problem.
[23:01] <flexiondotorg> I've started working on my patches.
[23:05] <Unit193> Basically, look at the diff, and mirror the changes but for MATE.
[23:05] <flexiondotorg> Unit193, Am doing :-)
[23:07] <Unit193> bluesabre: Can you see whatever it is knome/infinity want?
[23:31] <bluesabre> Unit193: huh?
[23:32] <bluesabre> ochosi: even for non-pkexec/sudo apps?
[23:33] <Unit193> bluesabre: There's a whole mess of backlog in -release, and short end of it is knome got mate to agree to the 'base' name rather than 'core', so things will have to be changed.  There's a few last comments from infinity too.
[23:40] <bluesabre> Unit193: alrighty, caught up now
[23:41] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll probably need to create new branches since its in your personal branches (and to avoid a nasty merge process)
[23:42] <bluesabre> knome: you're probably missing php5-mysql ?
[23:42]  * bluesabre always cheats and installs phpmyadmin to grab requirements
[23:47] <Unit193> bluesabre: Right, should be easy to either pull the one I have in or just pull master and merge commits.
[23:48] <bluesabre> yup
[23:48] <bluesabre> I'll work on getting that done tonight
[23:48] <Unit193> \o/