=== a5m0_ is now known as a5m0 [12:36] i just finished an amd64 full-disk installation [12:36] anything you saw odd? [12:36] nope [12:37] good [12:37] well, a notice about blueman crash [12:37] yea - that's been hanging about for weeks now [12:37] and then on the right-click menu on desktop, i see the xubuntu website and contribute to xubuntu items [12:37] didn't we clean them up already? [12:38] seems not [12:38] yep [12:38] we should take care of that [12:38] i'll file a bug and attach it to appropriate place [12:38] s [12:38] ok [13:03] hhhmmm I did a full amd64 again yesterday and didn't get the blueman crash(first time in ages).. I did it on a lenovo thinkpad [13:05] knome, there should already be one for the Blueman crash.. i filled one last week... Let me get the number [13:06] Bug #1533206 [13:07] bug 1533206 in blueman (Ubuntu) "Blueman-apport crash on login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533206 [14:04] Akxwi-dave, i did the install on vbox [14:06] knome, must admit all the ones I did where i got the crash was on vox, i'll re-test tonight with todays build on hardware to double check.. just incase its a vbox crash [14:08] yeah [15:16] flocculant, knome, Re blueman crash, can confirm that the crash on boot to live doesn't happen on real hardware (got a Tosh satellite pro, one of my users brought in to look at) just tried with amd64 and i386. I386 on vbox, blueman definately crashed.. [15:17] Will do full install later on my Lenovo lappy [15:28] Akxwi-dave, i wonder if the crash is about not finding any suitable bluetooth devices [15:28] because you won't have such on vbox [15:28] but most laptops do [15:30] true and makes logical sense.... I have a spare Lenovo Thinkcentre as well (with no Bluetooth).. I can install on that as well to confirm [15:31] i'd think that might be a good thing to do when trying to see if it's a vbox issue or not [15:31] thanks for taking care :) [16:10] Akxwi-dave knome - don't see the blueman crash on my hardware, no bluetooth available unless I plug in a dongle [16:10] mhm [16:10] then it's likely vbox... [16:11] entirely possible [20:22] knome flocculant : right I have installed todays daily on both a Laptop and desktop pc.. I got the blueman crash on the desktop with no Bluetooth device.. But didn't get it with the Laptop with a bluetooth device [20:23] mmh [20:23] weird [20:26] :-) [20:53] evening [21:02] evening ochosi [21:15] Unit193, sooooo [21:15] Unit193, do you know if the proposer is the only one who can add more reviewers for a MP? [21:16] Unit193, or if adding people means you have to do a new MP? [21:18] bluesabre, i left you an issue @ github. [21:18] 1. Don't know, would guess not. 2. No, you can just request more reviewers. [21:19] Unit193, well i can't seem to add more reviewers in one *cough* of your MP's [21:19] knome: just updating image - don't see blueman here booting it from grub to hardwaree [21:19] Unit193, would you mind adding one? [21:19] flocculant, mhm [21:19] I don't see that getting anywhere. [21:20] Unit193, well regarding my last comment on the MP [21:20] I saw that. [21:20] Unit193, there is a person whose surname is the same as somebody who is well known from a popular detective series [21:20] Unit193, who happens to be an admin of the team who is subscribed to the MP [21:21] Unit193, even if it didn't go anywhere with that, i'd try it. [21:22] knome: Right, we pinged him at one point and that's not really his field anymore. [21:22] Does it need re-submitted via that button, btw? [21:24] There. [21:26] Unit193, if it isn't, then i hope this request makes him pass on the administrator hat to somebody else, who we can then ping [21:27] Unit193, if you want, you can leave a comment like "Adding X (admin of the CD image team) as a reviewer to make sure this MP is moving forward." [21:27] Unit193, guess you can even add "(r=ochosi)" [21:27] * knome hides [21:28] in fact, i think he can even approve that addition [21:29] Unit193, also, if you can *remove* reviewers, you can remove the other open one [21:29] i don't think you can though [21:29] I can't. [21:41] slickymaster, sooooo [21:41] slickymaster, maybe you saw a message about the contributor docs on the mailing list (from a google code-in student) [21:41] yesssss [21:42] yes I did, this morning [21:42] the contest has ended and obviously the task closed, but i would imagine you can still ask for more details if you want [21:42] and was about to ping his mentor re it [21:42] mhm [21:42] flocculant, i guess it partly interests you too ^ [21:42] flocculant, but i'm sure you have seen the mail [21:42] bluesabre: fwiw, xenial has the gtk3 overlay scrollbars enabled [21:42] the way I read the mail it seems to be just a some requests [21:43] bluesabre: iirc you disabled those for 15.10 [21:43] slickymaster, i was asking for feedback about the contibutor docs [21:43] hey ochosi, benonsoftware [21:43] slickymaster, this is basically after they have read the documentation and thought how it could be improved [21:43] but was that the the task itself, knome? [21:43] slickymaster, rather than "i come here and demand change" [21:43] ok, i understand [21:43] slickymaster, let me dig up the exact wording [21:43] knome: yea - I did see that [21:44] but there are a few points that I don't see getting into the docs [21:44] slickymaster, same here [21:44] well actually it's pretty much this: http://pad.ubuntu.com/GCI [21:44] let read it knome [21:46] flocculant, I can confirm the Blueman crash on Ubuntu MATE 16.04 too. [21:46] In a VirtualBox guest on a host with Bluetooth. [21:46] ok, knome, that's the set of specifications you created for the task [21:47] flexiondotorg: what we're wondering about is when it actually crashes - seems to constantly on vbox, but not hardware - I don't crash on hardware someone else does [21:48] knome: not sure about making pages shorter though - just means we end up with page upon page [21:49] it's funny though how people these days tent to override the 'getting bored' aspect of -docs with the massive addition of all types of graphic media [21:49] knome: ^^^ [21:49] and I have the obligatory flocculant repsonse to cartoons ... [21:50] and there's some sort of contradiction in his suggestions knome [21:50] slickymaster: they don't teach people to read and write at school anymore [21:50] on one hand he says that the documentation is very long and has many information [21:50] then it's too much to read :p [21:51] on the other he asks for more examples and instances for some part of the documentation [21:51] don't forget this is someone <18 [21:51] didn't know that, flocculant [21:51] slickymaster, flocculant: i'm not saying anything in there is something we NEED to put in the docs, but the things in the mail might give you an inspiration to do something [21:52] slickymaster, yeah, the code-in contest was for 13-17 yo non-university students [21:52] noted [21:53] I thought it wasn't a bad review tbh [21:53] no [21:53] it was the better of the two [21:53] no it wasn't [21:54] knome: was there another ? [21:54] and I wasn't lashing it [21:55] flocculant, that didn't end up on the mailing list, but yeah, there was [21:55] right [21:55] flocculant, unfortunately it's not worth digging up [21:55] :) [21:55] lol, was about to ask if there was anything fruitful in the other, knome [21:56] or let's put it this way - i had to make sure the person had understood the task in at least some way to be able to give them an approved [21:56] :) [21:58] right teach [22:07] meh, updating greybird has become so tedious... [22:07] this is really the last time before i move to SASS [22:20] Unit193, knome: any of you following -release..? [22:20] I think we are [22:21] not necessarily actively though in all cases [22:21] i mean *now* [22:21] no [22:21] flexion was proposing something that sounds a tiny bit like x-core [22:21] sounds more or less the same to me [22:22] ("x-core" sounds a bit dirty btw, we should keep the "xubuntu" part) [22:23] flexiondotorg, are you planning to call it "ubuntu mate core"? [22:23] flexiondotorg, or "ubuntu basic" [22:23] Ubuntu MATE Basic [22:24] flexiondotorg, because we're in the middle of a very similar process, but it's pausing because they don't want us to call it "core" apparently [22:24] flexiondotorg: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167 [22:24] (and anything else than desktop/dvd brings at least slight grins on their faces) [22:24] Yeah, I avoid "core" because Ubuntu Snappy Core [22:25] would you be willing to consider "base" instead of "basic" if it happened they wanted these two grouped under the same product type? [22:25] knome, Base is good too :-) [22:25] Better than Basic. [22:25] ochosi, ^ comment please [22:26] sure, i'd be fine with -base [22:26] i mean, it might get use more friction if it was two flavors requesting the same stuff for the same purpose [22:26] So we've got the same idea here. [22:26] in general i'm not too picky with the name, if we can get behind the same thing that's probably more valuable [22:26] Should we perhaps use the same suffix? [22:26] -base sounds good to me. [22:26] (not only with the MR, but also in general. more consistency) [22:27] So have the Xubuntu community been asking for this also? [22:27] for a long time [22:27] Cool. [22:28] not really - we're getting ignored [22:28] Ignored? [22:28] 2015-08-15 we proposed it [22:29] Interesting. [22:29] 2015-10-08 is got disapproved and is in someone's 'queue' [22:29] flexiondotorg, the xubuntu community has asked this from the xubuntu team (but not ignored), the xubuntu team has asked this from ubuntu cd image team but disapproved because "core" [22:29] I guess the Ubuntu MATE people must have seen it. [22:29] Because that roughtly when I got asked about doing something similar. [22:29] So I split out the -core/-desktop stuff a bit more in 15.10 to prepare. [22:30] That's when the ISO stuff started, the seeds barely missed trusty's release. [22:31] Unit193: yea - so it did [22:47] knome, Is https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167 [22:48] Everything that needs doing? [22:48] flexiondotorg, you should ask Unit193 [22:49] Looks like 3 MPs. [22:49] https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core [22:49] https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/livecd-rootfs/xubuntu-core [22:49] https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/debian-cd/xubuntu-core [22:50] night everyone [22:51] ochosi, i guess you read the news [22:55] Unit193, krytarik: can you cooperate with flexiondotorg with their stuff too? [22:56] Would be helpful :-) [22:56] I did this stuff about a year ago when Ubuntu MATE was introduced. [22:56] But a bit rusty. [22:59] there we go... finally, i guess [23:00] with this sorted for now, i'm off [23:00] ttyl [23:00] and thanks flexiondotorg for showing up, i'm sure both of us doing the same helped this move along [23:00] --> [23:01] knome, No problem. [23:01] I've started working on my patches. [23:05] Basically, look at the diff, and mirror the changes but for MATE. [23:05] Unit193, Am doing :-) [23:07] bluesabre: Can you see whatever it is knome/infinity want? [23:31] Unit193: huh? [23:32] ochosi: even for non-pkexec/sudo apps? [23:33] bluesabre: There's a whole mess of backlog in -release, and short end of it is knome got mate to agree to the 'base' name rather than 'core', so things will have to be changed. There's a few last comments from infinity too. [23:40] Unit193: alrighty, caught up now [23:41] Unit193: I'll probably need to create new branches since its in your personal branches (and to avoid a nasty merge process) [23:42] knome: you're probably missing php5-mysql ? [23:42] * bluesabre always cheats and installs phpmyadmin to grab requirements [23:47] bluesabre: Right, should be easy to either pull the one I have in or just pull master and merge commits. [23:48] yup [23:48] I'll work on getting that done tonight [23:48] \o/