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hikikohi06:07
pittiGood morning06:44
larsugood morning!08:21
pittiit's a Lars!08:23
* pitti hugs larsu08:23
larsuhi pitti!08:23
larsuone more day and I'm flying to BRU \o/08:24
pittilarsu: one more day and I take the train! :-)08:25
ochosilarsu: you goin to FOSDEM?08:25
pittilarsu: I'll work in the train tomorrow morning and will then be in Leuven around 13:30, at a friend of mine08:25
larsupitti: yeah I was going to do that as well, but the timing was off08:25
pittiit's only ~ 6 hours08:25
larsuare you coming to the GNOME hackfest?08:26
larsuor systemd?08:26
larsuochosi: yep. Are you coming as well?08:26
ochosilarsu: yep :)08:26
larsucool :)08:27
ochosiany places specifically where you'd hang out?08:28
ochosi(in case one wanted to meet up for a meet'n'greet)08:28
larsuochosi: GNOME booth is the general meeting point for many of us08:29
larsujust in that hall in front of it08:29
ochosilarsu: sounds easy to spot. i'll try to stop by to say hi!08:31
larsuplease do!08:31
ochosion another note, i looked into the whole gtk3.18 linked buttons css yesterday (ambiance/radiance are also suffering from that still), it's really really exhausting to maintain themes in css08:32
ochosii know that for xubuntu i'll port our default theme to SASS for 3.2008:32
ochosi(probably not before that because of all the changes 3.20 will bring)08:32
ochosibut in case i get anywhere on that i'll let you know08:33
larsuyeah hopefully maintaining a theme gets much easier from 3.20 forward08:34
larsuat least that was the idea08:34
larsuit's a pain now08:34
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alexarnaudGood morning all !08:39
larsumorning alexarnaud!08:41
willcookewhat up dawgs08:56
Sweet5harkwillcooke: just the usual: everyone tries to make this an amazing day.08:58
Sweet5hark...or something08:58
willcooke:D08:58
willcookeThat's the spirit!08:58
larsumorning Sweet5hark and willcooke!08:59
willcookehey larsu08:59
larsuSweet5hark: it already is an amazing day!08:59
Sweet5harklarsu: true dat.08:59
* larsu looks out the window into the sun09:00
* Sweet5hark loos out the windows and ... wait, sun? no fair!09:02
willcookehey, it wasn't dark when I got up this morning at least09:03
willcookeso spring is on the way09:03
Laneymorning!09:04
alexarnaudwillcooke: all good today, I meet lots of interesting people :)09:04
willcookehey Laney alexarnaud09:04
alexarnaudwillcooke: and you how are you ? In which country do you live ?09:05
willcookealexarnaud, fine thanks.  I'm in the UK09:06
alexarnaudOK :)09:06
alexarnaudwillcooke: is alpha Ubuntu usable in a real world ?09:07
alexarnaudI'm using Debian Sid everyday with relatively no problem.09:07
larsumorning Laney!09:07
Laneyhi gangstas09:07
willcookealexarnaud, there was a problem with nouveau drivers yesterday, but yeah, should be totally usable.09:08
alexarnaudDoes Ubuntu provide alternative to Sid or it's necessar to change the repository after each release ?09:09
alexarnaudwillcooke: OK :), I will install it for testing on one of my computer09:10
pittialexarnaud: you can use "devel" as series name in apt sources09:10
pittiara: yes, a lot of us are using the devel series on a daily basis, and mostly it's outright boring09:10
pittialexarnaud: ^09:10
pittiara: sorry, wrong ping09:10
pittiara: but hello! :-)09:11
pittialexarnaud: we occasionally run into upgrade failures due to file conflicts, but they are fixed easily enough09:11
Laneyhey pitti09:11
Laneythanks for the uploader check!09:11
pittihey Laney, how are you? good morning09:11
pittiLaney: yw!09:11
darkxsthey pitti, Laney willcooke larsu09:12
pittiLaney: that reminds me, I should remove the email addr and perhaps real name -- we don't need those at all09:12
pittihello darkxst!09:12
willcookehey darkxst09:12
larsu"morning" darkxst!09:12
darkxstlarsu, its evening you know;)09:12
alexarnaudhey pitti09:12
alexarnaudpitti: thanks you09:13
larsudarkxst: hence the quotes09:13
Laneypitti: I'm good thanks, got climbing last night for the first time in G_TIME_SPAN_DAY * 6 - feels good!09:19
Laneymight go again tonight09:20
Laneyraaargh09:20
Laneyhow are you?09:20
Laney& hi darkxst09:20
Laneyhow's upside down land?09:20
pittiLaney: oh, how do your arms feel? :-)09:20
Laneypitti: arms good, fingers still retain an echo09:21
darkxstLaney, I'm good, its Australia day today09:21
darkxstso I guess the upside land is doing well09:21
Laneyanother year of holding on by your fingertips and not falling off09:22
LaneyI'd celebrate that09:22
darkxstLaney, well actually did have 1 fall this year! but the gear held ;)09:25
andyrockmorning09:29
andyrockwillcooke: how can i try PackageKit?09:46
willcookemorning andyrock09:47
willcookeandyrock, Robert has a PPA I think, one sec09:47
willcookeLaney, do you know where Robert's PPA with G-S in is by any chance09:52
willcooke?>09:52
Laneywillcooke: ubuntu-desktop/gnome-software ?09:53
willcookeahhh09:53
willcookeI was looking in his personal PPAs09:53
willcookethanks Laney09:53
willcookeandyrock, ^^09:53
andyrock👍09:53
andyrockjust fox xenial09:56
willcookeyeah09:59
willcookeah09:59
willcookeand your xenial box is b0rked :)09:59
willcookemaybe next week ;)09:59
andyrockwillcooke: if we want to support the full animation we should use AddLauncherItemFromPosition call from gnome-software10:10
andyrockotherwise we should drop part of the animation10:10
willcookeandyrock, what's involved in doing that? hours/days/weeks/months?10:14
willcookeandyrock, also - when you get a moment, could you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-applications/+bug/153448510:15
ubot5Launchpad bug 1534485 in unity-lens-applications (Ubuntu) "Stop using Ubuntu Software Centre reviews database" [Medium,Triaged]10:15
willcooketo say that we'll probably have to remove the reviews feature from the dash10:15
willcookeand see if anyone has any opinions or other ideas (laney for example might care)10:16
andyrocka day (or two) should be enough once I get xenial working here10:19
andyrockI'm trying with i386 now10:19
andyrockotherwise I'll just  do that in a vbox10:19
willcookethanks andyrock10:19
Laneydon't really care10:25
Laneybut maybe robert's code is reusable, might be worth asking10:26
darkxstanyone having issues with logitech HID (unifying) drivers?10:27
andyrockif g-s supports plugins we might write one to read and export software-centre reviews10:28
Laneyit has one10:28
Laneythat's what robert_ancell has been working on lately10:28
Laneybut I don't know if it is usable by something else10:28
andyrockoki I'll take a look later10:29
darkxstboth my mouse and keyboard are constantly dropping out the last few days ;(10:29
Sweet5hark"In other news, the Illuminati are still trying to control the world with chemtrails, and we never actually got to the moon." http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-secretly-changed-ubuntu-orange-color-to-another-orange-499428.shtml10:29
Sweet5harkmmmkey10:29
larsu"in secret"10:31
larsuscoop of the year10:31
davidcalleRIP http://dd4814.com10:36
LaneyRIP?10:37
davidcalleLaney: well, it's not relevant anymore :)10:37
Laneyoh man10:38
Laneyi just read the quote but not the link10:38
Laneynobody updated ambiance and radiance though10:40
Laneyawesome10:40
* willcooke starts a thread with John Lea 10:41
Sweet5harkLaney: Who cares about ambience, I havent updated the Ubuntu palette in LibreOffice!11!one!eleven10:53
Laneyyou ANIMAL!10:54
andyrockwillcooke: I managed to install xenial10:59
willcookeandyrock,\o/10:59
andyrockI had to manually disable nouveau module11:00
willcookeerk11:00
Laneypitti: should I skip udisks2?11:02
pittiLaney: yes, if it's blocking things11:12
Laneypitti: it is, but it seems something real is happening so I didn't know if you would rather make it pass instead11:16
Laneybut ok11:16
Laneydid $cloud just die?11:17
didrockshey guys!11:28
* didrocks at CDG, rerouted11:28
Laneydidrocks!11:30
Laneywelcome back to the right side11:30
didrockshey Laney :)11:30
didrocksheh, indeed! fully jetlagged though :p11:30
Laneyupgrade?11:30
didrocksno…11:30
Laneysad11:30
didrockseven if they cancelled my second flight11:30
didrocksso, now, I'm waiting for a trian11:30
didrockstrain*11:30
Laneyis it airfrance?11:30
didrocksthey were first proposing me another flight CDG -> Lyon tomorrow11:30
didrocks(like 1h flight, 2 hours train, yeah, sure, let's wait another day)11:31
didrocksso, the strike isn't AF11:31
Laneyhope you get a refund!11:31
didrocksit's the space controllers11:31
didrockswell, they did directly pay for the train11:31
Laneyhah, you strikers11:31
didrocksand so the gouverment asked for companies to cut 20% of their flights11:31
didrocksthe bench is heated though11:34
didrocksso, not all is lost :)11:34
LaneyniceeEee11:39
willcookehey didrocks!11:43
didrockshey willcooke!11:44
larsuhi didrocks!11:44
willcookelarsu, can you give me any pointers here:  http://imgur.com/KhuZ4Bx11:44
didrockshey larsu ;)11:44
willcookelarsu, I'm trying to add a border to the bottom of the tab11:44
willcookewhat you can see there is what I think is a transparency where the bottom border should be11:44
willcookeit's almost like either the border is pushed off the bottom of the tab and so can't be seen, or something is forcing it to be transparent or otherwise hidden11:45
pittiheeeey didrocks ! bon rentré ?11:45
willcookeAlso, super secret thing:  we're swapping Ubuntu Orange for pink now.  Don't tell anyone.11:45
pittididrocks: urgh, seems not quite, just reading scrollback ..11:46
pittiLaney: worker spam> ugh, do I smell network failure in the DC again? :-/11:47
larsuwillcooke: oh that is weird!11:47
didrockspitti: yeah, not yet, thanks to strikes, but well, could be worse, I have a train as a fallback11:47
willcookelarsu, on the screen shot you can see the css I'm using11:48
pittididrocks: I read G+, seems you had a busy time! did you enjoy it?11:48
larsuwillcooke: I'm inclined to say this is a gtknotebook bug, but let me check11:48
didrockspitti: yeah, it was awesome, like old UDS time! :)11:48
pitticool!11:48
pittididrocks: I'm sure you really yearn for travelling again next weekend already :)11:49
pittixnox: speaking of which, did you see that there's a systemd hackfest on Friday? WDYT about another attempt of these "dynamic presets" to clean up /etc?11:49
willcookelarsu, Adwatia is doing what I want to do, which is have the bottom of the tab in a different colour - but I looked at their CSS and it indeed a coloured border, but I just can;t seem to make it work11:49
larsuwillcooke: yeah seems like it. What exactly do you want to do?11:50
didrockspitti: yeah, and chaining with a sprint week in London :p11:50
larsuwillcooke: ah, ok. Do they maybe color the border of something else?11:50
willcookelarsu, I want a slightly thicker, orange border at the bottom of the active tab11:50
willcookelooking at their css it's simply border-bottom-color: #decafbad11:51
larsuwillcooke: indeed. Looking right now if maybe our border-image stuff breaks things11:58
willcookeI turned off border-image with border-image: none12:00
willcookeor at least, that's what I tried to do12:00
larsuwillcooke: looks like it's a bug in GeditTabLabel. It draws over ".notebook tab"12:03
larsuwillcooke: setting a bottom border for GeditTabLabel works for me, but spacing is off12:04
* larsu hopes all of this gets better with the 3.20 revamp12:04
willcookelarsu, I just had a gedit crash, and when I started again, I too seem to have a border, but it looks like it's amost round the label rather than the tab12:04
larsuwillcooke: yeah I think putting it on the label is the only way right now12:05
larsuat least I can't make it do anything else12:05
willcookeahh, kk12:05
larsubecause the label always overdraws the tab12:05
willcookeso I might be able to move it a bit with padding etc12:05
willcooke?12:05
willcookeahhhh12:05
larsuI hope?!12:07
willcookelarsu, so if I do this:12:07
willcooke.notebook {background-color: pink; border-style: solid; border-color: red; border-image: none; border-width: 1px}12:08
willcookeI get borders around the tabs, all the way around12:08
willcookeexcept the active tab12:08
willcookewhich shows no bottom border12:08
* willcooke checks the selector 12:09
larsuprobably because there's a rule in the css already that removes borders for :active tabs?12:09
larsupseudoclasses have higher specificity12:09
larsuso they overrule whatever you put in the inspectorr12:09
willcookeohh12:09
willcookeI thought the inspector had the highest12:09
willcookealso, what's a pseudo class?12:10
willcookehow would I spot one12:10
willcooke?12:10
larsuwillcooke: tab:active, :hover, :checked, etc. are pseudo classes, .notebook a "normal" class12:10
willcookeahhh, I see12:12
willcookethanks larsu12:12
willcookeI'll keep playing12:12
larsuwillcooke: this works (ish) for me: GeditTabLabel { border-bottom: 3px solid green;  }12:13
larsu.notebook tab { padding-bottom: 0; }12:13
larsubut depends on Gedit sadly12:13
willcookenice one, thanks larsu12:14
willcookeI think I can tweak that a little and it will do12:14
* larsu goes for a quick lunch12:14
larsuwillcooke: yw!12:14
Sweet5harkdidrocks: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/691957210830757888 <- seems you are not the only one with interesting travel arrangements today ...12:16
didrocksSweet5hark: yeah, they cut off 20% of flights12:19
didrocksso, that makes things "interesting" :)12:19
didrocksbasically less people to be able to monitor the air traffic12:20
seb128hello desktoper friends!12:36
willcookehey seb128!12:49
willcookeare you home ok?12:49
seb128hey willcooke :-)12:49
seb128yes!12:49
willcookejet laged?12:49
willcooke;)12:49
seb128not atm but I guess I'm going to feel it in a bit ;-)12:54
willcookehehe12:54
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Laneypitti: did the secgroups change?13:05
LaneyI just added one manually and now I can ssh13:05
Laneyor maybe it coincidentally got fixed13:06
Laneybecause after deleting it ssh still works13:07
pittiLaney: I'll check the logs more closely; maybe it's related to the recent sysvinit/i-s-h merges13:20
pittiand only occurs on reboot or something13:20
Laneypitti: I think it's the kernel13:34
Laneyjust tried an incremental dist-upgrade to proposed13:34
pittiLaney: oh, 4.4?13:34
Laneyand it broke after that one13:34
Laneysee laney-test in lcy0113:34
Laneyoh, what, now it works13:39
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pittiLaney: does it perhaps take several minutes to boot? network failure or so?13:40
Laney30s or so13:40
pittithat seems ok13:42
Laneypitti: there's a period after reboot --poll returns before it's sshable, but I guess you already account for that?13:43
pittiLaney: yes, there's a 5 minute timeout poll loop for ssh13:43
pittiLaney: what you see in the spam mails13:44
pittiLaney: since we are both connected to tmux now, mind if I poke the logs?13:44
Laneyoh yeah, the 3 second thing13:44
Laneyok13:44
Laneyi'll get off13:44
pittiit's fine, I just don't want to step on your feet13:44
pittiRemoving openssh-server (1:7.1p2-2) ...13:45
pittio_O13:45
pittiLaney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14671742/ doesn't look healthy13:46
pittidist-upgrade gone wild13:46
Laneywhat's that from?13:48
pittiless log/lcy01-1.log13:48
pittiLaney: the log shows the complete adt-run output after tmpfailing three times and committing suicide13:49
Laneynod13:49
* Laney goes to forage14:16
qenghoAre resize-handles handled differently now in gnome-shell, versus a few months ago? I use x2x to merge two desktops, and the screen edge that transitions to the other display is no longer magic if there is any window close to it.15:09
qenghoSeems to make window-resize areas into triggers to grab the pointer.15:09
Sweet5harkhmmm, trying to setup a vagrant snappy image results in ssh timeout failure on "vagrant up" ...15:19
seb128Sweet5hark, I guess that's a topic for #snappy :-)15:19
Sweet5harkseb128: true dat.15:19
alexarnaudseb128: holla !15:20
alexarnaudhow are you ?15:21
seb128hey alexarnaud! good, and you?15:21
alexarnaudseb128: very good15:21
alexarnaudare you the maintainer of gsettins-damon package?15:22
seb128one of those I guess15:23
alexarnaudseb128: OK15:24
seb128why?15:24
alexarnaudI need a split of gnome-settings-damon and gnome-settings-daemon-schema for porting to Debian15:25
alexarnaudI don't want to change the default gome-settings-daemon in the Debian repository15:25
seb128why do you need that?15:25
alexarnaudWhat is the goal of the gnome-settings-daemon-schema package,15:25
didrockshome sweet home!15:26
seb128didrocks, wb!15:26
alexarnaudseb128: I have to put Compiz into Debian15:26
alexarnauddidrocks: hey!15:27
didrockshey guys :)15:27
seb128alexarnaud, gnome-settings-daemon-schemas is so unity-settings-daemon can use the same schemas as g-s-d without depending on the daemon15:27
pittibonjour seb128, bienvenue retour !15:27
willcookedidrocks, are you here for the meeting or out?15:28
seb128pitti, salut! ca va ?15:28
pittiseb128: ça va bien en fait ! demain je vais aller à België pour FOSDEM15:28
alexarnaudseb128: I see this package as a compiz dependancy, is it useful?15:29
pittiseb128: bon rentrè ? mieux que celui de didrocks ? :-)15:29
pittirentré15:29
seb128alexarnaud, I guess on Debian it can depends on gnome-settings-daemon if it uses the schemas included there15:30
seb128pitti, oui, sans problème ;-)15:30
willcooke#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-01-2615:30
meetingologyMeeting started Tue Jan 26 15:30:34 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.15:30
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andyrocko/15:30
willcookeRoll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks(out?), fjkong, happyaron(out), hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho(out), robert_ancell (out)15:31
didrockswillcooke: I'm in another meeting15:31
larsu\o15:31
Sweet5harkaye15:31
willcookedidrocks, ack, thanks15:31
dgadomskio/15:31
Laneyu-p-s just crashed!15:32
LaneySICKENING15:32
larsuLaney: file a bug. patches welcome :P15:32
* larsu hides15:32
Laneylarsu: you missed "works for me"15:33
larsuah!15:33
larsuI've never seen it crash15:33
larsuyou must be doing something wrong15:33
larsuwhat's your theme?15:33
Laneyclicked the datetime indicator15:33
Laneythat is not a supported usecase15:33
davmor2pebcak15:33
larsuah, haha don't do that, of course15:33
willcookeRight. Let's whizz through this15:34
willcooke#topic andyrock15:34
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andyrockhey all15:34
andyrock1. Finished and proposed a branch for startup notifications for unity + bamf15:34
andyrock2. Fixed a bug with dash search hint15:34
andyrock3. Reviewed, fixed and proposed a community patch to add a "Format..." item15:35
andyrock4. Some code reviews15:35
andyrock5. Installed xenail (was not easy)15:35
seb128what issue did you hit installing xenial?15:36
andyrock6. Started to take a look to changes that must be done in unity* for gnome-software transition15:36
andyrock\eof15:36
andyrockseb128: I had to blacklist nouveau15:36
andyrockit's segfaulting here15:36
andyrockeven on a live15:36
seb128:-/15:36
Laneywho knows nouveau?15:36
Laneyrobert?15:36
seb128I doubt he does15:37
willcookemaybe tjaalton has some ideas?15:37
seb128I don't think we have much expertize at Canonical for that15:37
seb128or in the ubuntu-x community15:37
* larsu sings the song of only using intel graphics with linux15:37
* desrt joins in for the chorus15:38
andyrock:D15:38
tjaaltoncould be a mesa bug15:38
tjaaltonor kernel15:38
Laneyhaha15:38
* larsu sings louder15:38
desrthells ya, life is good... they opened up the drivers like everyone should!15:38
larsuTO MAKE MY POINT CLEARER15:38
tjaalton4.4 isn't in xenial yet15:38
larsudesrt: haha!15:39
tjaaltonintel regresses all the time, consider yourselves lucky then :)15:39
willcookedavmor2, do you have a machine with nvidia gfx?15:39
tjaaltonandyrock: test 4.4 from proposed, or mainline15:39
davmor2willcooke: I do15:39
andyrockI'll do that thanks15:39
andyrockfor the moment blacklisting it it's enough for me15:40
tjaaltonsure15:40
willcookedavmor2, can you see if it's broken for you as well?15:40
willcookethanks for the pointers tjaalton15:40
tjaaltonI doubt nouveau is generally broken, but on some hw15:41
willcookeoki, would be good to see if we can narrow it down at all15:41
willcookealright, thanks andyrock.  Lets see if the newer versions are any better15:41
willcooke#topic attente15:42
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attenteapparmor dconf revisions, submitted again to the apparmor ML...15:43
attenterevisions and discussions with upstream about the gtk popup menu branch15:43
attentediscussions with mir team at sprint about menu surface api, clipboard support, keymap support, multi-surface in u815:43
attentefix gtk-mir breakage that happened after the port to GdkSeat api15:43
attenteswitching over to gnome-software for a bit, some basic ubuntu-sso integration with ubuntu-sso-client, but need to re-write this15:43
attente(eof)15:43
willcookegreat stuff, thanks attente15:43
Laneysprint report please!15:43
desrt((sorry -- i didn't prepare notes.. i just got to the hotel and am very jetlagged))15:44
larsuattente: I hope we are getting PRIMARY selection as well!!!!!1!15:44
willcookeattente, you could pretty much copy & paste our conversation from yesterday15:44
attentetrue, let me find that15:44
willcookeattente, can you email it round?15:45
willcookeonce you've edited as needed etc15:45
davmor2willcooke: sorry for what 16.04 or 14.04.415:45
willcookedavmor2, 16.0415:45
attenteyeah, i'll email it around instead15:45
willcookethx15:45
willcooke#topic desrt15:45
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desrt((sorry -- i didn't prepare notes.. i just got to the hotel and am very jetlagged))15:45
davmor2willcooke: will do give me 20 minutes or so15:45
willcookedavmor2, no immediate hurry15:45
desrtbut this week larsu and i will be sprinting with gnome15:45
desrtand fosdem this weekend15:46
desrthope to see you all there :)15:46
willcookehave fun desrt15:46
willcooke#topic dgadomski15:46
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dgadomskihey, still no new desktop issues were reported to me15:46
willcookeyay!15:47
dgadomski:)15:47
willcookethanks dgadomski15:47
dgadomskithanks15:47
willcooke#topic FJKong_15:47
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FJKong_* bug#1534492 Can't use fcitx for Chinese with QtCreator15:47
FJKong_  fixed,waiting for update15:47
FJKong_* tracking bug:15:47
FJKong_  can't use IM in one of screen of dual-monitor.15:47
FJKong_  need more infomation15:47
FJKong_* input method doesn't work after upgrade15:47
FJKong_  should be wrong skin problem, still in progress15:47
FJKong_eof15:47
willcookegreat, thanks FJKong_15:48
willcooke#topic happyaron15:48
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willcooke1. Worked on crash debugging of a sogou crash, handed to Fanjun for after that15:48
willcooke2. Worked on ibus 1.5.12's unexpected ABI incompatibility15:48
willcooke3. SRUs for ubuntukylin were deferred a bit (now it is the on the top15:48
willcookeof my list)15:48
willcooke4. Day to day use of new fonts-noto-cjk configuration for several days15:48
willcookeand looks all good for upload15:48
willcooke#topic hikiko15:48
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hikikoI'm very close to fix the last bugs on shadows. I changed the code to use the existing unity shadow windows and pixmaps instead of quads that had a texture with the shape and this has fixed all the artifacts I had due to the wrong window placement on unity (when I use unity windows compiz can draw them in order even when they are not but this doesn't apply to quads), the problem I have atm is a small bug on rendering: I have a quad with the15:49
hikikoshadow texture which I can verify is correct in size, color and alpha because I can store its texture as png image on my disc (screenshot here: https://i.imgur.com/ZoSQqtR.png?1 the cairo.png) but it doesn't appear at all when I draw it on the unity window (black quad around the shaped window in the screenshot), I intend to fix that by tomorrow and do the MP. If I find some time @the future I;ll try to debug the unity windows ordering and15:49
hikikomake a proper fix because we might need to add other features in the future. eof15:49
willcookethanks hikiko15:50
willcookewill be good to put this one to bed :)15:50
willcooke#topic Laney15:50
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Laney• Poked at gnome-software not making use of available appstream metadata, turned out to be a bug in my script :$15:50
Laney• Spent a lot of time (again) fixing test regressions to get glib2.0 in - all outstanding ones fixed (sphinx, autopilot, ubuntu-sso-client, others) besides udisks2/ppc64el which was overridden :(15:50
Laney• patch piloted :D15:50
Laney• uploaded u-s-d u-c-c ubuntu-themes to fix random things - had to revert part of u-s-d (from attente) since it seemed to break some keyboard shortcuts for me, sorry! :'(15:50
Laney• fixed broken sessioninstaller :/15:50
Laney• poked at some MIRs, libgcab pyotherside :)15:50
Laney• set up a local appstream extractor deployment in prep for the sprint :o15:50
Laney15:50
willcookeawesome, thanks a lot Laney15:51
willcooke#topic larsu15:51
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* Laney just saw apt downloading at 3,001 PB/s15:52
larsuhey! The main two things for me this week were: adding an index to the geonames db, so that it can have multiple known names for a city15:52
larsuthink London/Londres15:52
larsuor Munich/München15:52
larsuI decided against limiting this to the current locale - to complex and not worth it for the amount of data we have15:52
larsuthe other one is playing with the completion window again to make it flicker less15:53
larsuotherwise same as desrt: going to a hackfest tomorrow (but continue working on this for the most part) and fosdem + mini sprint with Laney after15:53
larsu</larsu>15:53
willcookethanks larsu, happy trails15:53
larsuthanks :)15:54
willcooke#topic qengho15:54
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willcookehumm, he was here a minute a go15:55
willcookewe'll come back, because I know he's got a question15:55
willcooke#topic seb12815:56
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seb128* travelled to UbuCon/Scale15:56
seb128</week>15:56
willcooke:) thanks seb12815:56
seb128yw!15:56
larsuhaha15:56
larsunice one15:56
Laneytrip report please!15:56
seb128lol15:56
Sweet5harkhrhr15:56
willcookeqengho, are you back?15:56
seb128Laney, I didn't really took note, was more a "meet people & talk with them" than formal presentations15:57
seb128qengho is having issues with meetings15:57
willcooke#topic Sweet5hark15:58
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seb128well at least he didn't paste his report when it was my turn this time :p15:58
Sweet5hark- 5.1.0~rc2 is in the ppa, looks good enough to me to be a initial xenial upload15:58
Sweet5hark- work on snappy:15:58
Sweet5hark-- got a build to succeed reliably from scratch (hackish though)15:58
Sweet5hark-- trying to play with the resulting .snap15:58
Sweet5hark-- threw away my old manual VirtualBox VM to use vagrant proper for that15:58
Sweet5hark-- couldnt get snappy running in vagrant so far (image seems to loop right in booting the kernel)15:58
Sweet5hark- really need to get slides for FOSDEM in shape15:58
Sweet5harkEOF15:58
willcookethanks Sweet5hark15:58
seb128Sweet5hark, great, let me know when you need sponsoring ... and how is your DMB application going?15:58
Sweet5harkseb128: urgh15:58
willcookeSweet5hark, if you are stuck on snappy let me know and I can help find someone to unblock you15:59
Sweet5harkseb128: how is the DMB application to trip report exchange rate?15:59
seb128Sweet5hark, oh, indeed, don't forget to make a trip report after fosdem ;-)15:59
willcookelots of trip reports to read next week then16:00
Sweet5harkseb128: yeah16:00
willcooke#topic TheMuso16:00
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willcooke* Prepared pulse 8 for upload to Xenial... Just waiting on the Debian maintainer to upload to experimental, so I can treat it as a merge, should be within a day or so.16:00
willcooke* Made changes to the Orca gsettings backend, splitting out some settings a little bit, and adding some descriptions to some settings. Awaiting a response from upstream.16:00
willcooke* The a11y profile manager library is functionally complete, now to right a command-line tool to work with it, and the integration code.16:00
willcooke#topic tkamppeter16:00
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tkamppeter- Phone: Printing with on-demand call of avahi-daemon, cupsd, and cups-browsed finally works, including the shutdown of the daemons, finally works now.16:01
tkamppeter- Phone: Wrote a script to demonstrate how the print dialog on the phone is supposed to work.16:01
tkamppeter- cups-filters: Released 1.8.0 and 1.8.1, cleaning up the COPYING file and the copyright headers of the CUPS-inherited source files, making the Braille printing support work with only dependencies from Ubuntu Main. do not disable queues when avahi-daemon goes away.16:01
tkamppeter- Uploaded updated cupd-filters to unblock build of CUPS.16:01
tkamppeter- Talked with a volunteer contributor on IRC who wants to add AirPrint (as a client) support to cups-filters and HTTP scanning support to SANE.16:01
tkamppeter- Bugs.16:01
willcookeawesome, thanks tkamppeter16:01
willcookelooking forward to seeing people printing from Ubuphones soon16:01
willcooke#topic robert_ancell16:02
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willcooke- GNOME Software review feature16:02
willcooke- LightDM 1.16.7, 1.17.4 released16:02
willcooke- MIRs for GNOME Software16:02
willcooke#topic qengho16:02
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willcookeare you back online qengho ?16:02
willcookeguess not16:02
seb128:-/16:03
willcooke#topic aob16:03
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willcookeSafe and fun travels to all going to FOSDEM etc16:03
willcookeonce you're back please get started on sprint travel if you havent already16:03
willcookealso please think about confs for the next year and fill in the confs sheet16:03
willcookeanyone else got anything to share?16:04
seb128no16:04
larsuseb128: how do you know?16:04
seb128larsu, know that?16:05
seb128by "no" I meant "not me"16:05
seb128if that's what you mean16:05
seb128and I know that I don't have anything else to share because I know myself? :p16:05
willcookealright, lets wrap16:05
willcookethanks all16:06
seb128thanks!16:06
willcookeqengho, if you drop back in let me know16:06
willcooke#endmeeting16:06
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larsuseb128: you can't know that everyone else has nothing to share. Just making a logic joke :P16:06
seb128:-)16:06
FJKong_seb128: hey seb16:06
seb128hey FJKong_16:06
FJKong_could you help me to check with this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-ide/+bug/153449216:06
ubot5Launchpad bug 1534492 in Ubuntu SDK IDE "Can't use fcitx for Chinese with QtCreator" [Undecided,In progress]16:06
FJKong_not sure if someone help to package and release16:06
seb128do you have a specific change you need?16:07
FJKong_yes, as #616:07
FJKong_work around there as I said in the comment16:08
seb128that's not a fix but a workaround16:08
seb128I don't know enough about input methods and qtcreator off hand16:08
seb128maybe attente has an idea about that16:08
seb128he has been dealing with mir/input method issues16:09
seb128afaik16:09
FJKong_I think patch is just repackage it16:09
qenghowillcooke: dang! Missed it. I'm an hour off.16:09
seb128qengho, no recent dst though?16:09
seb128we didn't change the time, it's the same every week...16:09
qenghoseb128: no change here. I just mis-remembered.16:10
seb128you should get one of the calendar technology, I hear they even have reminders and stuff, it's good ;-)16:11
attenteis that maybe an envvar problem? not sure why it's looking for the im context plugin in the wrong directory16:11
larsuhaha16:11
FJKong_just need to add a link16:11
qenghomeeting note: * new chromium release, v48. Built, tested, gave to #security.16:11
attentebut why is it looking in that directory in the first place?16:11
qenghomeeting note: * snappy testing.16:13
attentewhere should i mail the sprint report? ubuntu-desktop@lists?16:17
seb128depend if that's public info16:18
Laneyassuming it's not sekkrit16:18
Laneyif it is: snowden@nsa.gov16:18
seb128Laney, I can do one but it's going to be "meet some ubuntu people, was nice to spend some time with them", I didn't really take note or work on specific topics16:19
seb128I wonder if others are doing one for UbuCon16:20
Laneyseb128: it's ok, just would have been good to know if something interesting happened16:20
seb128I'm going to try to think about it, would be good to a least tell that UbuCon was nice16:21
seb128but I guess others' posted about that on g+ at least already16:21
Laneyattente: doesn't seem secret to me16:32
attenteok, i'll send it out to the list as well16:32
Laneythen you get on cool news sites!16:34
Laneyfsvo cool :P16:34
attentelol16:35
xnoxpitti, hehe. nope did not see that. I do arrive on friday, i can gate crash i think.16:44
xnoxpitti, for the presets stuff.. in clearlinux i've ended up dropping all of them and just ship symlinks in /usr/lib to enable things by default in a "distro defaults package"16:45
TrevinhoLaney: hey16:48
TrevinhoLaney: how do I make dh to redo certain steps after that I already built everything? I mean, I built with debuild binary, but I changed something in debian/* and I wanted to redo the packaging part without rebuilding16:49
pittiTrevinho: normally, dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b -nc16:50
TrevinhoI don't see stamps around anymore... Dh should do something smarter since the old days :-P16:50
pittiTrevinho: the "-nc" means "no clean", that should keep all the built stuff16:50
pittiTrevinho: possibly you have to call dh_prep to clean the debian/<binary> and debhelper leftovers16:50
Trevinhoit seems to  work, thanks16:50
Trevinhooh, actually no :-/16:50
Trevinhopitti: well... unfortunately it doesn't seem to do the thing.. :-(16:51
LaneyTrevinho: try removing debian/*.debhelper.log17:01
TrevinhoLaney: oh... thanks that works.... BUt it also wants to reconfigure/rebuild17:02
Laneyyes17:03
Trevinho...and fails :-(17:03
Laneyit's not really made for incremental building17:03
Trevinhobut well that's a cmake issue I guess17:04
Laneyjust call the build system yourself if you want that17:04
Trevinhowell, it used to work when there was stamp files17:04
Laney"it" is a different thing17:04
TrevinhoI only wanted the debian packaging part to go, with no compilation before17:04
pittidh_clean ought to do that; what happens after that and debuild -nc?17:05
Trevinhowell, I had to clean all since something got broken on cmake side17:06
davmor2willcooke: nvidia is working here I can try a fresh install tomorrow but probably won't have time for that today17:09
Laneynouveau not nvidia17:09
davmor2Laney: ah nouveau might not work it is a prime laptop but I can give it a go17:10
tkamppeterhikiko, hi17:21
Laneybyeeeeeeee18:26
* pitti waves good night18:28
larsugood night pitti!18:28
pittilarsu: gute Reise!18:28
larsupitti: danke! Bis Freitag ;)18:30
Sweet5hark1g'night all18:30
larsubye Sweet5hark118:30
willcookelarsu, da fuq is dis?  imgur.com/bkmTHfC18:53
willcookehttp://imgur.com/bkmTHfC18:54
larsua link that my terminal doesn't make clickable18:54
larsuhaha thanks18:54
willcooke:)18:54
willcookeso18:54
larsuooh18:54
willcookeI'm still playing with this underline18:54
larsuyou should switch to design18:54
willcookeno way, this one is awesome18:54
willcookeso that little white block at the bottom of the tab18:54
willcookeis transparent18:54
willcookeand moves with the tab when I drag it18:55
willcookeonly on the active tab18:55
willcookeand hides the bottom border18:55
willcookeand I cannot find where its coming from18:55
willcookeI've stripped pretty much *everything* out of this theme18:55
willcookeno sorry, it's *not* transparent18:57
* larsu goes digging18:58
willcookeI wonder if it's part of the main pane where the text goes18:59
willcookecoming up18:59
willcookerather than the tab going down18:59
flocculantlarsu disg with a transparent shovel - all the rage18:59
willcookeI just don't see the appeal18:59
willcookegeddit18:59
willcooke;)19:00
flocculantha ha19:00
flocculantenglish sense of humour ftw19:00
larsuyou are sooo funny19:00
flocculant:)19:00
* larsu actually did laugh19:00
flocculantha ha19:00
larsuwillcooke: adding a hover rule makes it work :(19:05
willcookeis that a pseudo class?19:05
willcooke:hover19:05
larsuya19:05
larsuwillcooke: ah, it's the border19:06
larsuborders on ".notebook tab" are broken19:06
davmor2larsu: no you don't want the border to hover that needs to be static not floaty ;)19:07
willcookelarsu, oki, in which case I think I give up on this then and just say it will be fixed in the future19:07
willcookethanks larsu19:07
larsuwillcooke: as a workaround, you could set a border on the labe;19:08
larsuGeditTabLabel or something19:08
willcookelarsu, yeah I tried that earlier, couldn't get it to look right19:08
larsubut setting it on the tab itself makes it draw the background higher than it should19:08
larsuwillcooke: yeah in that case I'd say let's wait if we can19:08
willcookeoki, well that actually makes me happy.  Because I thought it was me19:09
larsuhehe19:09
willcookeAdwatia seems to do it ok, but I guess that's a special case19:09
larsuhm indeed19:11
larsuwillcooke: intriguing ... we seem to trigger some bug. Maybe because of the border-image?19:12
willcookeI've switched border-image: none;19:12
larsuyou've thought of everything ;)19:13
davmor2larsu: that's why willcooke is a manager and we lowly mortals19:13
willcookeyeah right19:14
larsuman, this is tricky!19:14
davmor2willcooke: Laney: I'm having no joy triggering nouveau on this laptop so I'll leave it till the morning and fire up a box with an nvidia card in it19:15
willcookethanks davmor219:15
larsuwillcooke: no clue, sorry :*19:21
larsus/:*/:(/19:21
willcookelarsu, no worries, thanks for taking a lool19:22
willcookelook19:22
willcookesorry lool :)19:23
larsuhehe19:23
willcookeright, that's enough for today19:36
willcookeg'night all19:36
davmor2Laney: so nouveau from live cd is running but I'll install and let you know for sure tomorrow19:42
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