[06:07] hi [06:44] Good morning [08:21] good morning! [08:23] it's a Lars! [08:23] * pitti hugs larsu [08:23] hi pitti! [08:24] one more day and I'm flying to BRU \o/ [08:25] larsu: one more day and I take the train! :-) [08:25] larsu: you goin to FOSDEM? [08:25] larsu: I'll work in the train tomorrow morning and will then be in Leuven around 13:30, at a friend of mine [08:25] pitti: yeah I was going to do that as well, but the timing was off [08:25] it's only ~ 6 hours [08:26] are you coming to the GNOME hackfest? [08:26] or systemd? [08:26] ochosi: yep. Are you coming as well? [08:26] larsu: yep :) [08:27] cool :) [08:28] any places specifically where you'd hang out? [08:28] (in case one wanted to meet up for a meet'n'greet) [08:29] ochosi: GNOME booth is the general meeting point for many of us [08:29] just in that hall in front of it [08:31] larsu: sounds easy to spot. i'll try to stop by to say hi! [08:31] please do! [08:32] on another note, i looked into the whole gtk3.18 linked buttons css yesterday (ambiance/radiance are also suffering from that still), it's really really exhausting to maintain themes in css [08:32] i know that for xubuntu i'll port our default theme to SASS for 3.20 [08:32] (probably not before that because of all the changes 3.20 will bring) [08:33] but in case i get anywhere on that i'll let you know [08:34] yeah hopefully maintaining a theme gets much easier from 3.20 forward [08:34] at least that was the idea [08:34] it's a pain now === Guest84471 is now known as fredp === fredp is now known as Guest65265 [08:39] Good morning all ! [08:41] morning alexarnaud! [08:56] what up dawgs [08:58] willcooke: just the usual: everyone tries to make this an amazing day. [08:58] ...or something [08:58] :D [08:58] That's the spirit! [08:59] morning Sweet5hark and willcooke! [08:59] hey larsu [08:59] Sweet5hark: it already is an amazing day! [08:59] larsu: true dat. [09:00] * larsu looks out the window into the sun [09:02] * Sweet5hark loos out the windows and ... wait, sun? no fair! [09:03] hey, it wasn't dark when I got up this morning at least [09:03] so spring is on the way [09:04] morning! [09:04] willcooke: all good today, I meet lots of interesting people :) [09:04] hey Laney alexarnaud [09:05] willcooke: and you how are you ? In which country do you live ? [09:06] alexarnaud, fine thanks. I'm in the UK [09:06] OK :) [09:07] willcooke: is alpha Ubuntu usable in a real world ? [09:07] I'm using Debian Sid everyday with relatively no problem. [09:07] morning Laney! [09:07] hi gangstas [09:08] alexarnaud, there was a problem with nouveau drivers yesterday, but yeah, should be totally usable. [09:09] Does Ubuntu provide alternative to Sid or it's necessar to change the repository after each release ? [09:10] willcooke: OK :), I will install it for testing on one of my computer [09:10] alexarnaud: you can use "devel" as series name in apt sources [09:10] ara: yes, a lot of us are using the devel series on a daily basis, and mostly it's outright boring [09:10] alexarnaud: ^ [09:10] ara: sorry, wrong ping [09:11] ara: but hello! :-) [09:11] alexarnaud: we occasionally run into upgrade failures due to file conflicts, but they are fixed easily enough [09:11] hey pitti [09:11] thanks for the uploader check! [09:11] hey Laney, how are you? good morning [09:11] Laney: yw! [09:12] hey pitti, Laney willcooke larsu [09:12] Laney: that reminds me, I should remove the email addr and perhaps real name -- we don't need those at all [09:12] hello darkxst! [09:12] hey darkxst [09:12] "morning" darkxst! [09:12] larsu, its evening you know;) [09:12] hey pitti [09:13] pitti: thanks you [09:13] darkxst: hence the quotes [09:19] pitti: I'm good thanks, got climbing last night for the first time in G_TIME_SPAN_DAY * 6 - feels good! [09:20] might go again tonight [09:20] raaargh [09:20] how are you? [09:20] & hi darkxst [09:20] how's upside down land? [09:20] Laney: oh, how do your arms feel? :-) [09:21] pitti: arms good, fingers still retain an echo [09:21] Laney, I'm good, its Australia day today [09:21] so I guess the upside land is doing well [09:22] another year of holding on by your fingertips and not falling off [09:22] I'd celebrate that [09:25] Laney, well actually did have 1 fall this year! but the gear held ;) [09:29] morning [09:46] willcooke: how can i try PackageKit? [09:47] morning andyrock [09:47] andyrock, Robert has a PPA I think, one sec [09:52] Laney, do you know where Robert's PPA with G-S in is by any chance [09:52] ?> [09:53] willcooke: ubuntu-desktop/gnome-software ? [09:53] ahhh [09:53] I was looking in his personal PPAs [09:53] thanks Laney [09:53] andyrock, ^^ [09:53] 👍 [09:56] just fox xenial [09:59] yeah [09:59] ah [09:59] and your xenial box is b0rked :) [09:59] maybe next week ;) [10:10] willcooke: if we want to support the full animation we should use AddLauncherItemFromPosition call from gnome-software [10:10] otherwise we should drop part of the animation [10:14] andyrock, what's involved in doing that? hours/days/weeks/months? [10:15] andyrock, also - when you get a moment, could you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-applications/+bug/1534485 [10:15] Launchpad bug 1534485 in unity-lens-applications (Ubuntu) "Stop using Ubuntu Software Centre reviews database" [Medium,Triaged] [10:15] to say that we'll probably have to remove the reviews feature from the dash [10:16] and see if anyone has any opinions or other ideas (laney for example might care) [10:19] a day (or two) should be enough once I get xenial working here [10:19] I'm trying with i386 now [10:19] otherwise I'll just do that in a vbox [10:19] thanks andyrock [10:25] don't really care [10:26] but maybe robert's code is reusable, might be worth asking [10:27] anyone having issues with logitech HID (unifying) drivers? [10:28] if g-s supports plugins we might write one to read and export software-centre reviews [10:28] it has one [10:28] that's what robert_ancell has been working on lately [10:28] but I don't know if it is usable by something else [10:29] oki I'll take a look later [10:29] both my mouse and keyboard are constantly dropping out the last few days ;( [10:29] "In other news, the Illuminati are still trying to control the world with chemtrails, and we never actually got to the moon." http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-secretly-changed-ubuntu-orange-color-to-another-orange-499428.shtml [10:29] mmmkey [10:31] "in secret" [10:31] scoop of the year [10:36] RIP http://dd4814.com [10:37] RIP? [10:37] Laney: well, it's not relevant anymore :) [10:38] oh man [10:38] i just read the quote but not the link [10:40] nobody updated ambiance and radiance though [10:40] awesome [10:41] * willcooke starts a thread with John Lea [10:53] Laney: Who cares about ambience, I havent updated the Ubuntu palette in LibreOffice!11!one!eleven [10:54] you ANIMAL! [10:59] willcooke: I managed to install xenial [10:59] andyrock,\o/ [11:00] I had to manually disable nouveau module [11:00] erk [11:02] pitti: should I skip udisks2? [11:12] Laney: yes, if it's blocking things [11:16] pitti: it is, but it seems something real is happening so I didn't know if you would rather make it pass instead [11:16] but ok [11:17] did $cloud just die? [11:28] hey guys! [11:28] * didrocks at CDG, rerouted [11:30] didrocks! [11:30] welcome back to the right side [11:30] hey Laney :) [11:30] heh, indeed! fully jetlagged though :p [11:30] upgrade? [11:30] no… [11:30] sad [11:30] even if they cancelled my second flight [11:30] so, now, I'm waiting for a trian [11:30] train* [11:30] is it airfrance? [11:30] they were first proposing me another flight CDG -> Lyon tomorrow [11:31] (like 1h flight, 2 hours train, yeah, sure, let's wait another day) [11:31] so, the strike isn't AF [11:31] hope you get a refund! [11:31] it's the space controllers [11:31] well, they did directly pay for the train [11:31] hah, you strikers [11:31] and so the gouverment asked for companies to cut 20% of their flights [11:34] the bench is heated though [11:34] so, not all is lost :) [11:39] niceeEee [11:43] hey didrocks! [11:44] hey willcooke! [11:44] hi didrocks! [11:44] larsu, can you give me any pointers here: http://imgur.com/KhuZ4Bx [11:44] hey larsu ;) [11:44] larsu, I'm trying to add a border to the bottom of the tab [11:44] what you can see there is what I think is a transparency where the bottom border should be [11:45] it's almost like either the border is pushed off the bottom of the tab and so can't be seen, or something is forcing it to be transparent or otherwise hidden [11:45] heeeey didrocks ! bon rentré ? [11:45] Also, super secret thing: we're swapping Ubuntu Orange for pink now. Don't tell anyone. [11:46] didrocks: urgh, seems not quite, just reading scrollback .. [11:47] Laney: worker spam> ugh, do I smell network failure in the DC again? :-/ [11:47] willcooke: oh that is weird! [11:47] pitti: yeah, not yet, thanks to strikes, but well, could be worse, I have a train as a fallback [11:48] larsu, on the screen shot you can see the css I'm using [11:48] didrocks: I read G+, seems you had a busy time! did you enjoy it? [11:48] willcooke: I'm inclined to say this is a gtknotebook bug, but let me check [11:48] pitti: yeah, it was awesome, like old UDS time! :) [11:48] cool! [11:49] didrocks: I'm sure you really yearn for travelling again next weekend already :) [11:49] xnox: speaking of which, did you see that there's a systemd hackfest on Friday? WDYT about another attempt of these "dynamic presets" to clean up /etc? [11:49] larsu, Adwatia is doing what I want to do, which is have the bottom of the tab in a different colour - but I looked at their CSS and it indeed a coloured border, but I just can;t seem to make it work [11:50] willcooke: yeah seems like it. What exactly do you want to do? [11:50] pitti: yeah, and chaining with a sprint week in London :p [11:50] willcooke: ah, ok. Do they maybe color the border of something else? [11:50] larsu, I want a slightly thicker, orange border at the bottom of the active tab [11:51] looking at their css it's simply border-bottom-color: #decafbad [11:58] willcooke: indeed. Looking right now if maybe our border-image stuff breaks things [12:00] I turned off border-image with border-image: none [12:00] or at least, that's what I tried to do [12:03] willcooke: looks like it's a bug in GeditTabLabel. It draws over ".notebook tab" [12:04] willcooke: setting a bottom border for GeditTabLabel works for me, but spacing is off [12:04] * larsu hopes all of this gets better with the 3.20 revamp [12:04] larsu, I just had a gedit crash, and when I started again, I too seem to have a border, but it looks like it's amost round the label rather than the tab [12:05] willcooke: yeah I think putting it on the label is the only way right now [12:05] at least I can't make it do anything else [12:05] ahh, kk [12:05] because the label always overdraws the tab [12:05] so I might be able to move it a bit with padding etc [12:05] ? [12:05] ahhhh [12:07] I hope?! [12:07] larsu, so if I do this: [12:08] .notebook {background-color: pink; border-style: solid; border-color: red; border-image: none; border-width: 1px} [12:08] I get borders around the tabs, all the way around [12:08] except the active tab [12:08] which shows no bottom border [12:09] * willcooke checks the selector [12:09] probably because there's a rule in the css already that removes borders for :active tabs? [12:09] pseudoclasses have higher specificity [12:09] so they overrule whatever you put in the inspectorr [12:09] ohh [12:09] I thought the inspector had the highest [12:10] also, what's a pseudo class? [12:10] how would I spot one [12:10] ? [12:10] willcooke: tab:active, :hover, :checked, etc. are pseudo classes, .notebook a "normal" class [12:12] ahhh, I see [12:12] thanks larsu [12:12] I'll keep playing [12:13] willcooke: this works (ish) for me: GeditTabLabel { border-bottom: 3px solid green; } [12:13] .notebook tab { padding-bottom: 0; } [12:13] but depends on Gedit sadly [12:14] nice one, thanks larsu [12:14] I think I can tweak that a little and it will do [12:14] * larsu goes for a quick lunch [12:14] willcooke: yw! [12:16] didrocks: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/691957210830757888 <- seems you are not the only one with interesting travel arrangements today ... [12:19] Sweet5hark: yeah, they cut off 20% of flights [12:19] so, that makes things "interesting" :) [12:20] basically less people to be able to monitor the air traffic [12:36] hello desktoper friends! [12:49] hey seb128! [12:49] are you home ok? [12:49] hey willcooke :-) [12:49] yes! [12:49] jet laged? [12:49] ;) [12:54] not atm but I guess I'm going to feel it in a bit ;-) [12:54] hehe === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:05] pitti: did the secgroups change? [13:05] I just added one manually and now I can ssh [13:06] or maybe it coincidentally got fixed [13:07] because after deleting it ssh still works [13:20] Laney: I'll check the logs more closely; maybe it's related to the recent sysvinit/i-s-h merges [13:20] and only occurs on reboot or something [13:34] pitti: I think it's the kernel [13:34] just tried an incremental dist-upgrade to proposed [13:34] Laney: oh, 4.4? [13:34] and it broke after that one [13:34] see laney-test in lcy01 [13:39] oh, what, now it works === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:40] Laney: does it perhaps take several minutes to boot? network failure or so? [13:40] 30s or so [13:42] that seems ok [13:43] pitti: there's a period after reboot --poll returns before it's sshable, but I guess you already account for that? [13:43] Laney: yes, there's a 5 minute timeout poll loop for ssh [13:44] Laney: what you see in the spam mails [13:44] Laney: since we are both connected to tmux now, mind if I poke the logs? [13:44] oh yeah, the 3 second thing [13:44] ok [13:44] i'll get off [13:44] it's fine, I just don't want to step on your feet [13:45] Removing openssh-server (1:7.1p2-2) ... [13:45] o_O [13:46] Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14671742/ doesn't look healthy [13:46] dist-upgrade gone wild [13:48] what's that from? [13:48] less log/lcy01-1.log [13:49] Laney: the log shows the complete adt-run output after tmpfailing three times and committing suicide [13:49] nod [14:16] * Laney goes to forage [15:09] Are resize-handles handled differently now in gnome-shell, versus a few months ago? I use x2x to merge two desktops, and the screen edge that transitions to the other display is no longer magic if there is any window close to it. [15:09] Seems to make window-resize areas into triggers to grab the pointer. [15:19] hmmm, trying to setup a vagrant snappy image results in ssh timeout failure on "vagrant up" ... [15:19] Sweet5hark, I guess that's a topic for #snappy :-) [15:19] seb128: true dat. [15:20] seb128: holla ! [15:21] how are you ? [15:21] hey alexarnaud! good, and you? [15:21] seb128: very good [15:22] are you the maintainer of gsettins-damon package? [15:23] one of those I guess [15:24] seb128: OK [15:24] why? [15:25] I need a split of gnome-settings-damon and gnome-settings-daemon-schema for porting to Debian [15:25] I don't want to change the default gome-settings-daemon in the Debian repository [15:25] why do you need that? [15:25] What is the goal of the gnome-settings-daemon-schema package, [15:26] home sweet home! [15:26] didrocks, wb! [15:26] seb128: I have to put Compiz into Debian [15:27] didrocks: hey! [15:27] hey guys :) [15:27] alexarnaud, gnome-settings-daemon-schemas is so unity-settings-daemon can use the same schemas as g-s-d without depending on the daemon [15:27] bonjour seb128, bienvenue retour ! [15:28] didrocks, are you here for the meeting or out? [15:28] pitti, salut! ca va ? [15:28] seb128: ça va bien en fait ! demain je vais aller à België pour FOSDEM [15:29] seb128: I see this package as a compiz dependancy, is it useful? [15:29] seb128: bon rentrè ? mieux que celui de didrocks ? :-) [15:29] rentré [15:30] alexarnaud, I guess on Debian it can depends on gnome-settings-daemon if it uses the schemas included there [15:30] pitti, oui, sans problème ;-) [15:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-01-26 [15:30] Meeting started Tue Jan 26 15:30:34 2016 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-01-26 | Current topic: [15:30] o/ [15:31] Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks(out?), fjkong, happyaron(out), hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho(out), robert_ancell (out) [15:31] willcooke: I'm in another meeting [15:31] \o [15:31] aye [15:31] didrocks, ack, thanks [15:31] o/ [15:32] u-p-s just crashed! [15:32] SICKENING [15:32] Laney: file a bug. patches welcome :P [15:32] * larsu hides [15:33] larsu: you missed "works for me" [15:33] ah! [15:33] I've never seen it crash [15:33] you must be doing something wrong [15:33] what's your theme? [15:33] clicked the datetime indicator [15:33] that is not a supported usecase [15:33] pebcak [15:33] ah, haha don't do that, of course [15:34] Right. Let's whizz through this [15:34] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-01-26 | Current topic: andyrock [15:34] hey all [15:34] 1. Finished and proposed a branch for startup notifications for unity + bamf [15:34] 2. Fixed a bug with dash search hint [15:35] 3. Reviewed, fixed and proposed a community patch to add a "Format..." item [15:35] 4. Some code reviews [15:35] 5. Installed xenail (was not easy) [15:36] what issue did you hit installing xenial? [15:36] 6. Started to take a look to changes that must be done in unity* for gnome-software transition [15:36] \eof [15:36] seb128: I had to blacklist nouveau [15:36] it's segfaulting here [15:36] even on a live [15:36] :-/ [15:36] who knows nouveau? [15:36] robert? [15:37] I doubt he does [15:37] maybe tjaalton has some ideas? [15:37] I don't think we have much expertize at Canonical for that [15:37] or in the ubuntu-x community [15:37] * larsu sings the song of only using intel graphics with linux [15:38] * desrt joins in for the chorus [15:38] :D [15:38] could be a mesa bug [15:38] or kernel [15:38] haha [15:38] * larsu sings louder [15:38] hells ya, life is good... they opened up the drivers like everyone should! [15:38] TO MAKE MY POINT CLEARER [15:38] 4.4 isn't in xenial yet [15:39] desrt: haha! [15:39] intel regresses all the time, consider yourselves lucky then :) [15:39] davmor2, do you have a machine with nvidia gfx? [15:39] andyrock: test 4.4 from proposed, or mainline [15:39] willcooke: I do [15:39] I'll do that thanks [15:40] for the moment blacklisting it it's enough for me [15:40] sure [15:40] davmor2, can you see if it's broken for you as well? [15:40] thanks for the pointers tjaalton [15:41] I doubt nouveau is generally broken, but on some hw [15:41] oki, would be good to see if we can narrow it down at all [15:41] alright, thanks andyrock. Lets see if the newer versions are any better [15:42] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-01-26 | Current topic: attente [15:43] apparmor dconf revisions, submitted again to the apparmor ML... [15:43] revisions and discussions with upstream about the gtk popup menu branch [15:43] discussions with mir team at sprint about menu surface api, clipboard support, keymap support, multi-surface in u8 [15:43] fix gtk-mir breakage that happened after the port to GdkSeat api [15:43] switching over to gnome-software for a bit, some basic ubuntu-sso integration with ubuntu-sso-client, but need to re-write this [15:43] (eof) [15:43] great stuff, thanks attente [15:43] sprint report please! [15:44] ((sorry -- i didn't prepare notes.. i just got to the hotel and am very jetlagged)) [15:44] attente: I hope we are getting PRIMARY selection as well!!!!!1! [15:44] attente, you could pretty much copy & paste our conversation from yesterday [15:44] true, let me find that [15:45] attente, can you email it round? [15:45] once you've edited as needed etc [15:45] willcooke: sorry for what 16.04 or 14.04.4 [15:45] davmor2, 16.04 [15:45] yeah, i'll email it around instead [15:45] thx [15:45] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-01-26 | Current topic: desrt [15:45] ((sorry -- i didn't prepare notes.. i just got to the hotel and am very jetlagged)) [15:45] willcooke: will do give me 20 minutes or so [15:45] davmor2, no immediate hurry [15:45] but this week larsu and i will be sprinting with gnome [15:46] and fosdem this weekend [15:46] hope to see you all there :) [15:46] have fun desrt [15:46] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-01-26 | Current topic: dgadomski [15:46]