[06:07] <hikiko> hi
[06:44] <pitti> Good morning
[08:21] <larsu> good morning!
[08:23] <pitti> it's a Lars!
[08:23]  * pitti hugs larsu
[08:23] <larsu> hi pitti!
[08:24] <larsu> one more day and I'm flying to BRU \o/
[08:25] <pitti> larsu: one more day and I take the train! :-)
[08:25] <ochosi> larsu: you goin to FOSDEM?
[08:25] <pitti> larsu: I'll work in the train tomorrow morning and will then be in Leuven around 13:30, at a friend of mine
[08:25] <larsu> pitti: yeah I was going to do that as well, but the timing was off
[08:25] <pitti> it's only ~ 6 hours
[08:26] <larsu> are you coming to the GNOME hackfest?
[08:26] <larsu> or systemd?
[08:26] <larsu> ochosi: yep. Are you coming as well?
[08:26] <ochosi> larsu: yep :)
[08:27] <larsu> cool :)
[08:28] <ochosi> any places specifically where you'd hang out?
[08:28] <ochosi> (in case one wanted to meet up for a meet'n'greet)
[08:29] <larsu> ochosi: GNOME booth is the general meeting point for many of us
[08:29] <larsu> just in that hall in front of it
[08:31] <ochosi> larsu: sounds easy to spot. i'll try to stop by to say hi!
[08:31] <larsu> please do!
[08:32] <ochosi> on another note, i looked into the whole gtk3.18 linked buttons css yesterday (ambiance/radiance are also suffering from that still), it's really really exhausting to maintain themes in css
[08:32] <ochosi> i know that for xubuntu i'll port our default theme to SASS for 3.20
[08:32] <ochosi> (probably not before that because of all the changes 3.20 will bring)
[08:33] <ochosi> but in case i get anywhere on that i'll let you know
[08:34] <larsu> yeah hopefully maintaining a theme gets much easier from 3.20 forward
[08:34] <larsu> at least that was the idea
[08:34] <larsu> it's a pain now
[08:39] <alexarnaud> Good morning all !
[08:41] <larsu> morning alexarnaud!
[08:56] <willcooke> what up dawgs
[08:58] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: just the usual: everyone tries to make this an amazing day.
[08:58] <Sweet5hark> ...or something
[08:58] <willcooke> :D
[08:58] <willcooke> That's the spirit!
[08:59] <larsu> morning Sweet5hark and willcooke!
[08:59] <willcooke> hey larsu
[08:59] <larsu> Sweet5hark: it already is an amazing day!
[08:59] <Sweet5hark> larsu: true dat.
[09:00]  * larsu looks out the window into the sun
[09:02]  * Sweet5hark loos out the windows and ... wait, sun? no fair!
[09:03] <willcooke> hey, it wasn't dark when I got up this morning at least
[09:03] <willcooke> so spring is on the way
[09:04] <Laney> morning!
[09:04] <alexarnaud> willcooke: all good today, I meet lots of interesting people :)
[09:04] <willcooke> hey Laney alexarnaud
[09:05] <alexarnaud> willcooke: and you how are you ? In which country do you live ?
[09:06] <willcooke> alexarnaud, fine thanks.  I'm in the UK
[09:06] <alexarnaud> OK :)
[09:07] <alexarnaud> willcooke: is alpha Ubuntu usable in a real world ?
[09:07] <alexarnaud> I'm using Debian Sid everyday with relatively no problem.
[09:07] <larsu> morning Laney!
[09:07] <Laney> hi gangstas
[09:08] <willcooke> alexarnaud, there was a problem with nouveau drivers yesterday, but yeah, should be totally usable.
[09:09] <alexarnaud> Does Ubuntu provide alternative to Sid or it's necessar to change the repository after each release ?
[09:10] <alexarnaud> willcooke: OK :), I will install it for testing on one of my computer
[09:10] <pitti> alexarnaud: you can use "devel" as series name in apt sources
[09:10] <pitti> ara: yes, a lot of us are using the devel series on a daily basis, and mostly it's outright boring
[09:10] <pitti> alexarnaud: ^
[09:10] <pitti> ara: sorry, wrong ping
[09:11] <pitti> ara: but hello! :-)
[09:11] <pitti> alexarnaud: we occasionally run into upgrade failures due to file conflicts, but they are fixed easily enough
[09:11] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:11] <Laney> thanks for the uploader check!
[09:11] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you? good morning
[09:11] <pitti> Laney: yw!
[09:12] <darkxst> hey pitti, Laney willcooke larsu
[09:12] <pitti> Laney: that reminds me, I should remove the email addr and perhaps real name -- we don't need those at all
[09:12] <pitti> hello darkxst!
[09:12] <willcooke> hey darkxst
[09:12] <larsu> "morning" darkxst!
[09:12] <darkxst> larsu, its evening you know;)
[09:12] <alexarnaud> hey pitti
[09:13] <alexarnaud> pitti: thanks you
[09:13] <larsu> darkxst: hence the quotes
[09:19] <Laney> pitti: I'm good thanks, got climbing last night for the first time in G_TIME_SPAN_DAY * 6 - feels good!
[09:20] <Laney> might go again tonight
[09:20] <Laney> raaargh
[09:20] <Laney> how are you?
[09:20] <Laney> & hi darkxst
[09:20] <Laney> how's upside down land?
[09:20] <pitti> Laney: oh, how do your arms feel? :-)
[09:21] <Laney> pitti: arms good, fingers still retain an echo
[09:21] <darkxst> Laney, I'm good, its Australia day today
[09:21] <darkxst> so I guess the upside land is doing well
[09:22] <Laney> another year of holding on by your fingertips and not falling off
[09:22] <Laney> I'd celebrate that
[09:25] <darkxst> Laney, well actually did have 1 fall this year! but the gear held ;)
[09:29] <andyrock> morning
[09:46] <andyrock> willcooke: how can i try PackageKit?
[09:47] <willcooke> morning andyrock
[09:47] <willcooke> andyrock, Robert has a PPA I think, one sec
[09:52] <willcooke> Laney, do you know where Robert's PPA with G-S in is by any chance
[09:52] <willcooke> ?>
[09:53] <Laney> willcooke: ubuntu-desktop/gnome-software ?
[09:53] <willcooke> ahhh
[09:53] <willcooke> I was looking in his personal PPAs
[09:53] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[09:53] <willcooke> andyrock, ^^
[09:53] <andyrock> 👍
[09:56] <andyrock> just fox xenial
[09:59] <willcooke> yeah
[09:59] <willcooke> ah
[09:59] <willcooke> and your xenial box is b0rked :)
[09:59] <willcooke> maybe next week ;)
[10:10] <andyrock> willcooke: if we want to support the full animation we should use AddLauncherItemFromPosition call from gnome-software
[10:10] <andyrock> otherwise we should drop part of the animation
[10:14] <willcooke> andyrock, what's involved in doing that? hours/days/weeks/months?
[10:15] <willcooke> andyrock, also - when you get a moment, could you comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-lens-applications/+bug/1534485
[10:15] <willcooke> to say that we'll probably have to remove the reviews feature from the dash
[10:16] <willcooke> and see if anyone has any opinions or other ideas (laney for example might care)
[10:19] <andyrock> a day (or two) should be enough once I get xenial working here
[10:19] <andyrock> I'm trying with i386 now
[10:19] <andyrock> otherwise I'll just  do that in a vbox
[10:19] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[10:25] <Laney> don't really care
[10:26] <Laney> but maybe robert's code is reusable, might be worth asking
[10:27] <darkxst> anyone having issues with logitech HID (unifying) drivers?
[10:28] <andyrock> if g-s supports plugins we might write one to read and export software-centre reviews
[10:28] <Laney> it has one
[10:28] <Laney> that's what robert_ancell has been working on lately
[10:28] <Laney> but I don't know if it is usable by something else
[10:29] <andyrock> oki I'll take a look later
[10:29] <darkxst> both my mouse and keyboard are constantly dropping out the last few days ;(
[10:29] <Sweet5hark> "In other news, the Illuminati are still trying to control the world with chemtrails, and we never actually got to the moon." http://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-secretly-changed-ubuntu-orange-color-to-another-orange-499428.shtml
[10:29] <Sweet5hark> mmmkey
[10:31] <larsu> "in secret"
[10:31] <larsu> scoop of the year
[10:36] <davidcalle> RIP http://dd4814.com
[10:37] <Laney> RIP?
[10:37] <davidcalle> Laney: well, it's not relevant anymore :)
[10:38] <Laney> oh man
[10:38] <Laney> i just read the quote but not the link
[10:40] <Laney> nobody updated ambiance and radiance though
[10:40] <Laney> awesome
[10:41]  * willcooke starts a thread with John Lea 
[10:53] <Sweet5hark> Laney: Who cares about ambience, I havent updated the Ubuntu palette in LibreOffice!11!one!eleven
[10:54] <Laney> you ANIMAL!
[10:59] <andyrock> willcooke: I managed to install xenial
[10:59] <willcooke> andyrock,\o/
[11:00] <andyrock> I had to manually disable nouveau module
[11:00] <willcooke> erk
[11:02] <Laney> pitti: should I skip udisks2?
[11:12] <pitti> Laney: yes, if it's blocking things
[11:16] <Laney> pitti: it is, but it seems something real is happening so I didn't know if you would rather make it pass instead
[11:16] <Laney> but ok
[11:17] <Laney> did $cloud just die?
[11:28] <didrocks> hey guys!
[11:28]  * didrocks at CDG, rerouted
[11:30] <Laney> didrocks!
[11:30] <Laney> welcome back to the right side
[11:30] <didrocks> hey Laney :)
[11:30] <didrocks> heh, indeed! fully jetlagged though :p
[11:30] <Laney> upgrade?
[11:30] <didrocks> no…
[11:30] <Laney> sad
[11:30] <didrocks> even if they cancelled my second flight
[11:30] <didrocks> so, now, I'm waiting for a trian
[11:30] <didrocks> train*
[11:30] <Laney> is it airfrance?
[11:30] <didrocks> they were first proposing me another flight CDG -> Lyon tomorrow
[11:31] <didrocks> (like 1h flight, 2 hours train, yeah, sure, let's wait another day)
[11:31] <didrocks> so, the strike isn't AF
[11:31] <Laney> hope you get a refund!
[11:31] <didrocks> it's the space controllers
[11:31] <didrocks> well, they did directly pay for the train
[11:31] <Laney> hah, you strikers
[11:31] <didrocks> and so the gouverment asked for companies to cut 20% of their flights
[11:34] <didrocks> the bench is heated though
[11:34] <didrocks> so, not all is lost :)
[11:39] <Laney> niceeEee
[11:43] <willcooke> hey didrocks!
[11:44] <didrocks> hey willcooke!
[11:44] <larsu> hi didrocks!
[11:44] <willcooke> larsu, can you give me any pointers here:  http://imgur.com/KhuZ4Bx
[11:44] <didrocks> hey larsu ;)
[11:44] <willcooke> larsu, I'm trying to add a border to the bottom of the tab
[11:44] <willcooke> what you can see there is what I think is a transparency where the bottom border should be
[11:45] <willcooke> it's almost like either the border is pushed off the bottom of the tab and so can't be seen, or something is forcing it to be transparent or otherwise hidden
[11:45] <pitti> heeeey didrocks ! bon rentré ?
[11:45] <willcooke> Also, super secret thing:  we're swapping Ubuntu Orange for pink now.  Don't tell anyone.
[11:46] <pitti> didrocks: urgh, seems not quite, just reading scrollback ..
[11:47] <pitti> Laney: worker spam> ugh, do I smell network failure in the DC again? :-/
[11:47] <larsu> willcooke: oh that is weird!
[11:47] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, not yet, thanks to strikes, but well, could be worse, I have a train as a fallback
[11:48] <willcooke> larsu, on the screen shot you can see the css I'm using
[11:48] <pitti> didrocks: I read G+, seems you had a busy time! did you enjoy it?
[11:48] <larsu> willcooke: I'm inclined to say this is a gtknotebook bug, but let me check
[11:48] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, it was awesome, like old UDS time! :)
[11:48] <pitti> cool!
[11:49] <pitti> didrocks: I'm sure you really yearn for travelling again next weekend already :)
[11:49] <pitti> xnox: speaking of which, did you see that there's a systemd hackfest on Friday? WDYT about another attempt of these "dynamic presets" to clean up /etc?
[11:49] <willcooke> larsu, Adwatia is doing what I want to do, which is have the bottom of the tab in a different colour - but I looked at their CSS and it indeed a coloured border, but I just can;t seem to make it work
[11:50] <larsu> willcooke: yeah seems like it. What exactly do you want to do?
[11:50] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, and chaining with a sprint week in London :p
[11:50] <larsu> willcooke: ah, ok. Do they maybe color the border of something else?
[11:50] <willcooke> larsu, I want a slightly thicker, orange border at the bottom of the active tab
[11:51] <willcooke> looking at their css it's simply border-bottom-color: #decafbad
[11:58] <larsu> willcooke: indeed. Looking right now if maybe our border-image stuff breaks things
[12:00] <willcooke> I turned off border-image with border-image: none
[12:00] <willcooke> or at least, that's what I tried to do
[12:03] <larsu> willcooke: looks like it's a bug in GeditTabLabel. It draws over ".notebook tab"
[12:04] <larsu> willcooke: setting a bottom border for GeditTabLabel works for me, but spacing is off
[12:04]  * larsu hopes all of this gets better with the 3.20 revamp
[12:04] <willcooke> larsu, I just had a gedit crash, and when I started again, I too seem to have a border, but it looks like it's amost round the label rather than the tab
[12:05] <larsu> willcooke: yeah I think putting it on the label is the only way right now
[12:05] <larsu> at least I can't make it do anything else
[12:05] <willcooke> ahh, kk
[12:05] <larsu> because the label always overdraws the tab
[12:05] <willcooke> so I might be able to move it a bit with padding etc
[12:05] <willcooke> ?
[12:05] <willcooke> ahhhh
[12:07] <larsu> I hope?!
[12:07] <willcooke> larsu, so if I do this:
[12:08] <willcooke> .notebook {background-color: pink; border-style: solid; border-color: red; border-image: none; border-width: 1px}
[12:08] <willcooke> I get borders around the tabs, all the way around
[12:08] <willcooke> except the active tab
[12:08] <willcooke> which shows no bottom border
[12:09]  * willcooke checks the selector 
[12:09] <larsu> probably because there's a rule in the css already that removes borders for :active tabs?
[12:09] <larsu> pseudoclasses have higher specificity
[12:09] <larsu> so they overrule whatever you put in the inspectorr
[12:09] <willcooke> ohh
[12:09] <willcooke> I thought the inspector had the highest
[12:10] <willcooke> also, what's a pseudo class?
[12:10] <willcooke> how would I spot one
[12:10] <willcooke> ?
[12:10] <larsu> willcooke: tab:active, :hover, :checked, etc. are pseudo classes, .notebook a "normal" class
[12:12] <willcooke> ahhh, I see
[12:12] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[12:12] <willcooke> I'll keep playing
[12:13] <larsu> willcooke: this works (ish) for me: GeditTabLabel { border-bottom: 3px solid green;  }
[12:13] <larsu> .notebook tab { padding-bottom: 0; }
[12:13] <larsu> but depends on Gedit sadly
[12:14] <willcooke> nice one, thanks larsu
[12:14] <willcooke> I think I can tweak that a little and it will do
[12:14]  * larsu goes for a quick lunch
[12:14] <larsu> willcooke: yw!
[12:16] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/691957210830757888 <- seems you are not the only one with interesting travel arrangements today ...
[12:19] <didrocks> Sweet5hark: yeah, they cut off 20% of flights
[12:19] <didrocks> so, that makes things "interesting" :)
[12:20] <didrocks> basically less people to be able to monitor the air traffic
[12:36] <seb128> hello desktoper friends!
[12:49] <willcooke> hey seb128!
[12:49] <willcooke> are you home ok?
[12:49] <seb128> hey willcooke :-)
[12:49] <seb128> yes!
[12:49] <willcooke> jet laged?
[12:49] <willcooke> ;)
[12:54] <seb128> not atm but I guess I'm going to feel it in a bit ;-)
[12:54] <willcooke> hehe
[13:05] <Laney> pitti: did the secgroups change?
[13:05] <Laney> I just added one manually and now I can ssh
[13:06] <Laney> or maybe it coincidentally got fixed
[13:07] <Laney> because after deleting it ssh still works
[13:20] <pitti> Laney: I'll check the logs more closely; maybe it's related to the recent sysvinit/i-s-h merges
[13:20] <pitti> and only occurs on reboot or something
[13:34] <Laney> pitti: I think it's the kernel
[13:34] <Laney> just tried an incremental dist-upgrade to proposed
[13:34] <pitti> Laney: oh, 4.4?
[13:34] <Laney> and it broke after that one
[13:34] <Laney> see laney-test in lcy01
[13:39] <Laney> oh, what, now it works
[13:40] <pitti> Laney: does it perhaps take several minutes to boot? network failure or so?
[13:40] <Laney> 30s or so
[13:42] <pitti> that seems ok
[13:43] <Laney> pitti: there's a period after reboot --poll returns before it's sshable, but I guess you already account for that?
[13:43] <pitti> Laney: yes, there's a 5 minute timeout poll loop for ssh
[13:44] <pitti> Laney: what you see in the spam mails
[13:44] <pitti> Laney: since we are both connected to tmux now, mind if I poke the logs?
[13:44] <Laney> oh yeah, the 3 second thing
[13:44] <Laney> ok
[13:44] <Laney> i'll get off
[13:44] <pitti> it's fine, I just don't want to step on your feet
[13:45] <pitti> Removing openssh-server (1:7.1p2-2) ...
[13:45] <pitti> o_O
[13:46] <pitti> Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14671742/ doesn't look healthy
[13:46] <pitti> dist-upgrade gone wild
[13:48] <Laney> what's that from?
[13:48] <pitti> less log/lcy01-1.log
[13:49] <pitti> Laney: the log shows the complete adt-run output after tmpfailing three times and committing suicide
[13:49] <Laney> nod
[14:16]  * Laney goes to forage
[15:09] <qengho> Are resize-handles handled differently now in gnome-shell, versus a few months ago? I use x2x to merge two desktops, and the screen edge that transitions to the other display is no longer magic if there is any window close to it.
[15:09] <qengho> Seems to make window-resize areas into triggers to grab the pointer.
[15:19] <Sweet5hark> hmmm, trying to setup a vagrant snappy image results in ssh timeout failure on "vagrant up" ...
[15:19] <seb128> Sweet5hark, I guess that's a topic for #snappy :-)
[15:19] <Sweet5hark> seb128: true dat.
[15:20] <alexarnaud> seb128: holla !
[15:21] <alexarnaud> how are you ?
[15:21] <seb128> hey alexarnaud! good, and you?
[15:21] <alexarnaud> seb128: very good
[15:22] <alexarnaud> are you the maintainer of gsettins-damon package?
[15:23] <seb128> one of those I guess
[15:24] <alexarnaud> seb128: OK
[15:24] <seb128> why?
[15:25] <alexarnaud> I need a split of gnome-settings-damon and gnome-settings-daemon-schema for porting to Debian
[15:25] <alexarnaud> I don't want to change the default gome-settings-daemon in the Debian repository
[15:25] <seb128> why do you need that?
[15:25] <alexarnaud> What is the goal of the gnome-settings-daemon-schema package,
[15:26] <didrocks> home sweet home!
[15:26] <seb128> didrocks, wb!
[15:26] <alexarnaud> seb128: I have to put Compiz into Debian
[15:27] <alexarnaud> didrocks: hey!
[15:27] <didrocks> hey guys :)
[15:27] <seb128> alexarnaud, gnome-settings-daemon-schemas is so unity-settings-daemon can use the same schemas as g-s-d without depending on the daemon
[15:27] <pitti> bonjour seb128, bienvenue retour !
[15:28] <willcooke> didrocks, are you here for the meeting or out?
[15:28] <seb128> pitti, salut! ca va ?
[15:28] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien en fait ! demain je vais aller à België pour FOSDEM
[15:29] <alexarnaud> seb128: I see this package as a compiz dependancy, is it useful?
[15:29] <pitti> seb128: bon rentrè ? mieux que celui de didrocks ? :-)
[15:29] <pitti> rentré
[15:30] <seb128> alexarnaud, I guess on Debian it can depends on gnome-settings-daemon if it uses the schemas included there
[15:30] <seb128> pitti, oui, sans problème ;-)
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-01-26
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jan 26 15:30:34 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <andyrock> o/
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks(out?), fjkong, happyaron(out), hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho(out), robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <didrocks> willcooke: I'm in another meeting
[15:31] <larsu> \o
[15:31] <Sweet5hark> aye
[15:31] <willcooke> didrocks, ack, thanks
[15:31] <dgadomski> o/
[15:32] <Laney> u-p-s just crashed!
[15:32] <Laney> SICKENING
[15:32] <larsu> Laney: file a bug. patches welcome :P
[15:32]  * larsu hides
[15:33] <Laney> larsu: you missed "works for me"
[15:33] <larsu> ah!
[15:33] <larsu> I've never seen it crash
[15:33] <larsu> you must be doing something wrong
[15:33] <larsu> what's your theme?
[15:33] <Laney> clicked the datetime indicator
[15:33] <Laney> that is not a supported usecase
[15:33] <davmor2> pebcak
[15:33] <larsu> ah, haha don't do that, of course
[15:34] <willcooke> Right. Let's whizz through this
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:34] <andyrock> hey all
[15:34] <andyrock> 1. Finished and proposed a branch for startup notifications for unity + bamf
[15:34] <andyrock> 2. Fixed a bug with dash search hint
[15:35] <andyrock> 3. Reviewed, fixed and proposed a community patch to add a "Format..." item
[15:35] <andyrock> 4. Some code reviews
[15:35] <andyrock> 5. Installed xenail (was not easy)
[15:36] <seb128> what issue did you hit installing xenial?
[15:36] <andyrock> 6. Started to take a look to changes that must be done in unity* for gnome-software transition
[15:36] <andyrock> \eof
[15:36] <andyrock> seb128: I had to blacklist nouveau
[15:36] <andyrock> it's segfaulting here
[15:36] <andyrock> even on a live
[15:36] <seb128> :-/
[15:36] <Laney> who knows nouveau?
[15:36] <Laney> robert?
[15:37] <seb128> I doubt he does
[15:37] <willcooke> maybe tjaalton has some ideas?
[15:37] <seb128> I don't think we have much expertize at Canonical for that
[15:37] <seb128> or in the ubuntu-x community
[15:37]  * larsu sings the song of only using intel graphics with linux
[15:38]  * desrt joins in for the chorus
[15:38] <andyrock> :D
[15:38] <tjaalton> could be a mesa bug
[15:38] <tjaalton> or kernel
[15:38] <Laney> haha
[15:38]  * larsu sings louder
[15:38] <desrt> hells ya, life is good... they opened up the drivers like everyone should!
[15:38] <larsu> TO MAKE MY POINT CLEARER
[15:38] <tjaalton> 4.4 isn't in xenial yet
[15:39] <larsu> desrt: haha!
[15:39] <tjaalton> intel regresses all the time, consider yourselves lucky then :)
[15:39] <willcooke> davmor2, do you have a machine with nvidia gfx?
[15:39] <tjaalton> andyrock: test 4.4 from proposed, or mainline
[15:39] <davmor2> willcooke: I do
[15:39] <andyrock> I'll do that thanks
[15:40] <andyrock> for the moment blacklisting it it's enough for me
[15:40] <tjaalton> sure
[15:40] <willcooke> davmor2, can you see if it's broken for you as well?
[15:40] <willcooke> thanks for the pointers tjaalton
[15:41] <tjaalton> I doubt nouveau is generally broken, but on some hw
[15:41] <willcooke> oki, would be good to see if we can narrow it down at all
[15:41] <willcooke> alright, thanks andyrock.  Lets see if the newer versions are any better
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:43] <attente> apparmor dconf revisions, submitted again to the apparmor ML...
[15:43] <attente> revisions and discussions with upstream about the gtk popup menu branch
[15:43] <attente> discussions with mir team at sprint about menu surface api, clipboard support, keymap support, multi-surface in u8
[15:43] <attente> fix gtk-mir breakage that happened after the port to GdkSeat api
[15:43] <attente> switching over to gnome-software for a bit, some basic ubuntu-sso integration with ubuntu-sso-client, but need to re-write this
[15:43] <attente> (eof)
[15:43] <willcooke> great stuff, thanks attente
[15:43] <Laney> sprint report please!
[15:44] <desrt> ((sorry -- i didn't prepare notes.. i just got to the hotel and am very jetlagged))
[15:44] <larsu> attente: I hope we are getting PRIMARY selection as well!!!!!1!
[15:44] <willcooke> attente, you could pretty much copy & paste our conversation from yesterday
[15:44] <attente> true, let me find that
[15:45] <willcooke> attente, can you email it round?
[15:45] <willcooke> once you've edited as needed etc
[15:45] <davmor2> willcooke: sorry for what 16.04 or 14.04.4
[15:45] <willcooke> davmor2, 16.04
[15:45] <attente> yeah, i'll email it around instead
[15:45] <willcooke> thx
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:45] <desrt> ((sorry -- i didn't prepare notes.. i just got to the hotel and am very jetlagged))
[15:45] <davmor2> willcooke: will do give me 20 minutes or so
[15:45] <willcooke> davmor2, no immediate hurry
[15:45] <desrt> but this week larsu and i will be sprinting with gnome
[15:46] <desrt> and fosdem this weekend
[15:46] <desrt> hope to see you all there :)
[15:46] <willcooke> have fun desrt
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:46] <dgadomski> hey, still no new desktop issues were reported to me
[15:47] <willcooke> yay!
[15:47] <dgadomski> :)
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:47] <dgadomski> thanks
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic FJKong_
[15:47] <FJKong_> * bug#1534492 Can't use fcitx for Chinese with QtCreator
[15:47] <FJKong_>   fixed,waiting for update
[15:47] <FJKong_> * tracking bug:
[15:47] <FJKong_>   can't use IM in one of screen of dual-monitor.
[15:47] <FJKong_>   need more infomation
[15:47] <FJKong_> * input method doesn't work after upgrade
[15:47] <FJKong_>   should be wrong skin problem, still in progress
[15:47] <FJKong_> eof
[15:48] <willcooke> great, thanks FJKong_
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:48] <willcooke> 1. Worked on crash debugging of a sogou crash, handed to Fanjun for after that
[15:48] <willcooke> 2. Worked on ibus 1.5.12's unexpected ABI incompatibility
[15:48] <willcooke> 3. SRUs for ubuntukylin were deferred a bit (now it is the on the top
[15:48] <willcooke> of my list)
[15:48] <willcooke> 4. Day to day use of new fonts-noto-cjk configuration for several days
[15:48] <willcooke> and looks all good for upload
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:49] <hikiko> I'm very close to fix the last bugs on shadows. I changed the code to use the existing unity shadow windows and pixmaps instead of quads that had a texture with the shape and this has fixed all the artifacts I had due to the wrong window placement on unity (when I use unity windows compiz can draw them in order even when they are not but this doesn't apply to quads), the problem I have atm is a small bug on rendering: I have a quad with the
[15:49] <hikiko> shadow texture which I can verify is correct in size, color and alpha because I can store its texture as png image on my disc (screenshot here: https://i.imgur.com/ZoSQqtR.png?1 the cairo.png) but it doesn't appear at all when I draw it on the unity window (black quad around the shaped window in the screenshot), I intend to fix that by tomorrow and do the MP. If I find some time @the future I;ll try to debug the unity windows ordering and
[15:49] <hikiko> make a proper fix because we might need to add other features in the future. eof
[15:50] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:50] <willcooke> will be good to put this one to bed :)
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:50] <Laney> • Poked at gnome-software not making use of available appstream metadata, turned out to be a bug in my script :$
[15:50] <Laney> • Spent a lot of time (again) fixing test regressions to get glib2.0 in - all outstanding ones fixed (sphinx, autopilot, ubuntu-sso-client, others) besides udisks2/ppc64el which was overridden :(
[15:50] <Laney> • patch piloted :D
[15:50] <Laney> • uploaded u-s-d u-c-c ubuntu-themes to fix random things - had to revert part of u-s-d (from attente) since it seemed to break some keyboard shortcuts for me, sorry! :'(
[15:50] <Laney> • fixed broken sessioninstaller :/
[15:50] <Laney> • poked at some MIRs, libgcab pyotherside :)
[15:50] <Laney> • set up a local appstream extractor deployment in prep for the sprint :o
[15:50] <Laney> ☸
[15:51] <willcooke> awesome, thanks a lot Laney
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:52]  * Laney just saw apt downloading at 3,001 PB/s
[15:52] <larsu> hey! The main two things for me this week were: adding an index to the geonames db, so that it can have multiple known names for a city
[15:52] <larsu> think London/Londres
[15:52] <larsu> or Munich/München
[15:52] <larsu> I decided against limiting this to the current locale - to complex and not worth it for the amount of data we have
[15:53] <larsu> the other one is playing with the completion window again to make it flicker less
[15:53] <larsu> otherwise same as desrt: going to a hackfest tomorrow (but continue working on this for the most part) and fosdem + mini sprint with Laney after
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[15:53] <willcooke> thanks larsu, happy trails
[15:54] <larsu> thanks :)
[15:54] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:55] <willcooke> humm, he was here a minute a go
[15:55] <willcooke> we'll come back, because I know he's got a question
[15:56] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:56] <seb128> * travelled to UbuCon/Scale
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[15:56] <willcooke> :) thanks seb128
[15:56] <seb128> yw!
[15:56] <larsu> haha
[15:56] <larsu> nice one
[15:56] <Laney> trip report please!
[15:56] <seb128> lol
[15:56] <Sweet5hark> hrhr
[15:56] <willcooke> qengho, are you back?
[15:57] <seb128> Laney, I didn't really took note, was more a "meet people & talk with them" than formal presentations
[15:57] <seb128> qengho is having issues with meetings
[15:58] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:58] <seb128> well at least he didn't paste his report when it was my turn this time :p
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> - 5.1.0~rc2 is in the ppa, looks good enough to me to be a initial xenial upload
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> - work on snappy:
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> -- got a build to succeed reliably from scratch (hackish though)
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> -- trying to play with the resulting .snap
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> -- threw away my old manual VirtualBox VM to use vagrant proper for that
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> -- couldnt get snappy running in vagrant so far (image seems to loop right in booting the kernel)
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> - really need to get slides for FOSDEM in shape
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:58] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:58] <seb128> Sweet5hark, great, let me know when you need sponsoring ... and how is your DMB application going?
[15:58] <Sweet5hark> seb128: urgh
[15:59] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, if you are stuck on snappy let me know and I can help find someone to unblock you
[15:59] <Sweet5hark> seb128: how is the DMB application to trip report exchange rate?
[15:59] <seb128> Sweet5hark, oh, indeed, don't forget to make a trip report after fosdem ;-)
[16:00] <willcooke> lots of trip reports to read next week then
[16:00] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah
[16:00] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[16:00] <willcooke> * Prepared pulse 8 for upload to Xenial... Just waiting on the Debian maintainer to upload to experimental, so I can treat it as a merge, should be within a day or so.
[16:00] <willcooke> * Made changes to the Orca gsettings backend, splitting out some settings a little bit, and adding some descriptions to some settings. Awaiting a response from upstream.
[16:00] <willcooke> * The a11y profile manager library is functionally complete, now to right a command-line tool to work with it, and the integration code.
[16:00] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[16:01] <tkamppeter> - Phone: Printing with on-demand call of avahi-daemon, cupsd, and cups-browsed finally works, including the shutdown of the daemons, finally works now.
[16:01] <tkamppeter> - Phone: Wrote a script to demonstrate how the print dialog on the phone is supposed to work.
[16:01] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Released 1.8.0 and 1.8.1, cleaning up the COPYING file and the copyright headers of the CUPS-inherited source files, making the Braille printing support work with only dependencies from Ubuntu Main. do not disable queues when avahi-daemon goes away.
[16:01] <tkamppeter> - Uploaded updated cupd-filters to unblock build of CUPS.
[16:01] <tkamppeter> - Talked with a volunteer contributor on IRC who wants to add AirPrint (as a client) support to cups-filters and HTTP scanning support to SANE.
[16:01] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[16:01] <willcooke> awesome, thanks tkamppeter
[16:01] <willcooke> looking forward to seeing people printing from Ubuphones soon
[16:02] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[16:02] <willcooke> - GNOME Software review feature
[16:02] <willcooke> - LightDM 1.16.7, 1.17.4 released
[16:02] <willcooke> - MIRs for GNOME Software
[16:02] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[16:02] <willcooke> are you back online qengho ?
[16:02] <willcooke> guess not
[16:03] <seb128> :-/
[16:03] <willcooke> #topic aob
[16:03] <willcooke> Safe and fun travels to all going to FOSDEM etc
[16:03] <willcooke> once you're back please get started on sprint travel if you havent already
[16:03] <willcooke> also please think about confs for the next year and fill in the confs sheet
[16:04] <willcooke> anyone else got anything to share?
[16:04] <seb128> no
[16:04] <larsu> seb128: how do you know?
[16:05] <seb128> larsu, know that?
[16:05] <seb128> by "no" I meant "not me"
[16:05] <seb128> if that's what you mean
[16:05] <seb128> and I know that I don't have anything else to share because I know myself? :p
[16:05] <willcooke> alright, lets wrap
[16:06] <willcooke> thanks all
[16:06] <seb128> thanks!
[16:06] <willcooke> qengho, if you drop back in let me know
[16:06] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jan 26 16:06:09 2016 UTC.
[16:06] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-01-26-15.30.moin.txt
[16:06] <larsu> seb128: you can't know that everyone else has nothing to share. Just making a logic joke :P
[16:06] <seb128> :-)
[16:06] <FJKong_> seb128: hey seb
[16:06] <seb128> hey FJKong_
[16:06] <FJKong_> could you help me to check with this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-sdk-ide/+bug/1534492
[16:06] <FJKong_> not sure if someone help to package and release
[16:07] <seb128> do you have a specific change you need?
[16:07] <FJKong_> yes, as #6
[16:08] <FJKong_> work around there as I said in the comment
[16:08] <seb128> that's not a fix but a workaround
[16:08] <seb128> I don't know enough about input methods and qtcreator off hand
[16:08] <seb128> maybe attente has an idea about that
[16:09] <seb128> he has been dealing with mir/input method issues
[16:09] <seb128> afaik
[16:09] <FJKong_> I think patch is just repackage it
[16:09] <qengho> willcooke: dang! Missed it. I'm an hour off.
[16:09] <seb128> qengho, no recent dst though?
[16:09] <seb128> we didn't change the time, it's the same every week...
[16:10] <qengho> seb128: no change here. I just mis-remembered.
[16:11] <seb128> you should get one of the calendar technology, I hear they even have reminders and stuff, it's good ;-)
[16:11] <attente> is that maybe an envvar problem? not sure why it's looking for the im context plugin in the wrong directory
[16:11] <larsu> haha
[16:11] <FJKong_> just need to add a link
[16:11] <qengho> meeting note: * new chromium release, v48. Built, tested, gave to #security.
[16:11] <attente> but why is it looking in that directory in the first place?
[16:13] <qengho> meeting note: * snappy testing.
[16:17] <attente> where should i mail the sprint report? ubuntu-desktop@lists?
[16:18] <seb128> depend if that's public info
[16:18] <Laney> assuming it's not sekkrit
[16:18] <Laney> if it is: snowden@nsa.gov
[16:19] <seb128> Laney, I can do one but it's going to be "meet some ubuntu people, was nice to spend some time with them", I didn't really take note or work on specific topics
[16:20] <seb128> I wonder if others are doing one for UbuCon
[16:20] <Laney> seb128: it's ok, just would have been good to know if something interesting happened
[16:21] <seb128> I'm going to try to think about it, would be good to a least tell that UbuCon was nice
[16:21] <seb128> but I guess others' posted about that on g+ at least already
[16:32] <Laney> attente: doesn't seem secret to me
[16:32] <attente> ok, i'll send it out to the list as well
[16:34] <Laney> then you get on cool news sites!
[16:34] <Laney> fsvo cool :P
[16:35] <attente> lol
[16:44] <xnox> pitti, hehe. nope did not see that. I do arrive on friday, i can gate crash i think.
[16:45] <xnox> pitti, for the presets stuff.. in clearlinux i've ended up dropping all of them and just ship symlinks in /usr/lib to enable things by default in a "distro defaults package"
[16:48] <Trevinho> Laney: hey
[16:49] <Trevinho> Laney: how do I make dh to redo certain steps after that I already built everything? I mean, I built with debuild binary, but I changed something in debian/* and I wanted to redo the packaging part without rebuilding
[16:50] <pitti> Trevinho: normally, dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b -nc
[16:50] <Trevinho> I don't see stamps around anymore... Dh should do something smarter since the old days :-P
[16:50] <pitti> Trevinho: the "-nc" means "no clean", that should keep all the built stuff
[16:50] <pitti> Trevinho: possibly you have to call dh_prep to clean the debian/<binary> and debhelper leftovers
[16:50] <Trevinho> it seems to  work, thanks
[16:50] <Trevinho> oh, actually no :-/
[16:51] <Trevinho> pitti: well... unfortunately it doesn't seem to do the thing.. :-(
[17:01] <Laney> Trevinho: try removing debian/*.debhelper.log
[17:02] <Trevinho> Laney: oh... thanks that works.... BUt it also wants to reconfigure/rebuild
[17:03] <Laney> yes
[17:03] <Trevinho> ...and fails :-(
[17:03] <Laney> it's not really made for incremental building
[17:04] <Trevinho> but well that's a cmake issue I guess
[17:04] <Laney> just call the build system yourself if you want that
[17:04] <Trevinho> well, it used to work when there was stamp files
[17:04] <Laney> "it" is a different thing
[17:04] <Trevinho> I only wanted the debian packaging part to go, with no compilation before
[17:05] <pitti> dh_clean ought to do that; what happens after that and debuild -nc?
[17:06] <Trevinho> well, I had to clean all since something got broken on cmake side
[17:09] <davmor2> willcooke: nvidia is working here I can try a fresh install tomorrow but probably won't have time for that today
[17:09] <Laney> nouveau not nvidia
[17:10] <davmor2> Laney: ah nouveau might not work it is a prime laptop but I can give it a go
[17:21] <tkamppeter> hikiko, hi
[18:26] <Laney> byeeeeeeee
[18:28]  * pitti waves good night
[18:28] <larsu> good night pitti!
[18:28] <pitti> larsu: gute Reise!
[18:30] <larsu> pitti: danke! Bis Freitag ;)
[18:30] <Sweet5hark1> g'night all
[18:30] <larsu> bye Sweet5hark1
[18:53] <willcooke> larsu, da fuq is dis?  imgur.com/bkmTHfC
[18:54] <willcooke> http://imgur.com/bkmTHfC
[18:54] <larsu> a link that my terminal doesn't make clickable
[18:54] <larsu> haha thanks
[18:54] <willcooke> :)
[18:54] <willcooke> so
[18:54] <larsu> ooh
[18:54] <willcooke> I'm still playing with this underline
[18:54] <larsu> you should switch to design
[18:54] <willcooke> no way, this one is awesome
[18:54] <willcooke> so that little white block at the bottom of the tab
[18:54] <willcooke> is transparent
[18:55] <willcooke> and moves with the tab when I drag it
[18:55] <willcooke> only on the active tab
[18:55] <willcooke> and hides the bottom border
[18:55] <willcooke> and I cannot find where its coming from
[18:55] <willcooke> I've stripped pretty much *everything* out of this theme
[18:57] <willcooke> no sorry, it's *not* transparent
[18:58]  * larsu goes digging
[18:59] <willcooke> I wonder if it's part of the main pane where the text goes
[18:59] <willcooke> coming up
[18:59] <willcooke> rather than the tab going down
[18:59] <flocculant> larsu disg with a transparent shovel - all the rage
[18:59] <willcooke> I just don't see the appeal
[18:59] <willcooke> geddit
[19:00] <willcooke> ;)
[19:00] <flocculant> ha ha
[19:00] <flocculant> english sense of humour ftw
[19:00] <larsu> you are sooo funny
[19:00] <flocculant> :)
[19:00]  * larsu actually did laugh
[19:00] <flocculant> ha ha
[19:05] <larsu> willcooke: adding a hover rule makes it work :(
[19:05] <willcooke> is that a pseudo class?
[19:05] <willcooke> :hover
[19:05] <larsu> ya
[19:06] <larsu> willcooke: ah, it's the border
[19:06] <larsu> borders on ".notebook tab" are broken
[19:07] <davmor2> larsu: no you don't want the border to hover that needs to be static not floaty ;)
[19:07] <willcooke> larsu, oki, in which case I think I give up on this then and just say it will be fixed in the future
[19:07] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[19:08] <larsu> willcooke: as a workaround, you could set a border on the labe;
[19:08] <larsu> GeditTabLabel or something
[19:08] <willcooke> larsu, yeah I tried that earlier, couldn't get it to look right
[19:08] <larsu> but setting it on the tab itself makes it draw the background higher than it should
[19:08] <larsu> willcooke: yeah in that case I'd say let's wait if we can
[19:09] <willcooke> oki, well that actually makes me happy.  Because I thought it was me
[19:09] <larsu> hehe
[19:09] <willcooke> Adwatia seems to do it ok, but I guess that's a special case
[19:11] <larsu> hm indeed
[19:12] <larsu> willcooke: intriguing ... we seem to trigger some bug. Maybe because of the border-image?
[19:12] <willcooke> I've switched border-image: none;
[19:13] <larsu> you've thought of everything ;)
[19:13] <davmor2> larsu: that's why willcooke is a manager and we lowly mortals
[19:14] <willcooke> yeah right
[19:14] <larsu> man, this is tricky!
[19:15] <davmor2> willcooke: Laney: I'm having no joy triggering nouveau on this laptop so I'll leave it till the morning and fire up a box with an nvidia card in it
[19:15] <willcooke> thanks davmor2
[19:21] <larsu> willcooke: no clue, sorry :*
[19:21] <larsu> s/:*/:(/
[19:22] <willcooke> larsu, no worries, thanks for taking a lool
[19:22] <willcooke> look
[19:23] <willcooke> sorry lool :)
[19:23] <larsu> hehe
[19:36] <willcooke> right, that's enough for today
[19:36] <willcooke> g'night all
[19:42] <davmor2> Laney: so nouveau from live cd is running but I'll install and let you know for sure tomorrow